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MMIA on 14 Jan, 2012: Are people leaving or this is just the stranded crowd?

[quote author=K-nash link=topic=846203.msg9967484#msg9967484 date=1326611140]Watz up folks? Why is nobody talkin' abt d ASUU Strike? Seriously itz really getting sickening not hearin any thing about d strike.[/quote]that is nigeria for you, one bad news will take over another, yet bh continues to wreck havoc but are out of headlines.

[quote author=onye_ngbu* link=topic=846203.msg9967361#msg9967361 date=1326608757]Occupy as much as you want but one thing you should bear in mind is that revolution = war in Nigeria.
Anybody who is thinking of removing GEJ by any means whatsoever should just be ready for war!
Nuff said.[/quote]This is unfortunate. Even the ministers of doom, NOI and SLS are saying Nigeria can pay the subsidy for a while. The wise thing to do is revert to N65 and negotiate with wider audience that would include all aspects of Nigeria, Labour?CSO/Regional leaders and cart a way forward. If war broke out, no one can determine the end. Given, the world power might support the oil reach region, but it would still end in slavery, Iraq and Libya are Arabs, they have stronger will and less corrupt yet world powers have them under slavery. Iraqi and Libya would pay for every penny and cents world power used to prosecute any war on their behalf. Amount they cannot verify or ascertain.

^^^ Read btw the line. They will not go to work. They will sit at home. Only suspect street protest to avoid being killed by trigger happy Nigeria Police. They are still on strike.

President would not go haggle on the table. He would send negotiating team with mandates. The buck stops on his table.

BetaThings:
Are these cabals spirits?
Koyinsola Ajayi (SAN) said Sanusi - one man, without police or soldiers under his command - investigated bankers, sacked, arrested, prosecuted and jailed them! he also seized assets

GEJ - President, C-in-C of the armed forces - is just saying we should stop having babies because our children are being trafficked!

He already told you, he is not a lion

Nobody wants the president to fail. so there would be "No victor, No vanquished situation. Come to think of it, the people leading Ojota rally were the same people who rallied for GEJ to be pronounced Acting President during Yar Adua saga. It is counter productive to have either side not to agree or respected all the same.

igbonla:
ESD takes only 1 second my friend, faster than the ND boys can offer. PENGASSAN leaders can be bought but their followership can revolt, it is worse when you don't have leaders leading a protest.

lol, pls don't shut down on ESD oo, some wells may never come back again oo. PENGASSAN would do controlled shutdown, that would minimize back pressure on reservoirs and also depressurized surface lines for safety. Remember, there is life after strike.

^^bro, main problem is that people don't listen, once you are not their guy, they switched off as soon as you start talking, even is the guy was telling them there is danger in on their way.
the guy made very good point and he is in support of deregulation that is in planned and implemented in structured and transparent manner.

mscheeeewwwwwwwwww! always reactive, always playing to the Valery, always saying what they think you like to hear.

Second base jare

The strike is on, but street and public protests rally are suspended for the 2 days. If no truce reached by end of weekend, the strike continues next week Monday.

^^How will they believe, when all they do is always rent a crowd for mass rallies and buy voters to win elections.

If electricity is improved, yes, price increased of 100 - 200% is okay, provided you use prepaid meter.  I use N5000 worth of units card for more than a month when PHCN gives about 18 hrs daily average supply. The cost to fill about 6hrs average amount to about N30,000 per month, so for me paying N15,000 per month for 24hrs light is good deal.

According to the Thisday page, it was a mind set before on going meeting. If that is agreed , the masses should take the fight away from hands of Labour. That would be too low for the scale of this protest.

Babatunde Ogun can not take unilateral decision, Pengassan is part of TUC, If TUC decided he has his own exco to decided too. There are levels of decisions that he alone can not override. lets  know that. It will take more that few to sabotage Union in Nigeria.

manchy7531:
Don't know why betrayal runs in the blood of all this yoruba people.cant they just stick to one course and fight it to the endits very unfortunate,

how are the "brave" SE SS and middle best doing in the present struggle. tell me one Yoruba man in govt that is forcing this better pill down Nigerians throats.

mistypiper:
Very right. The govt won't allow them shut down oil production for 10hours.

any way, the best is to avoid shut down. it takes hours to complete shutdown. if wells are shut, some may not readily flow after resolution by mere reopening of valves. some may require work-over to re establish flowing, this could be costly. Nigeria would still pay for all these.

Nigeria, hundreds of Nigerians and people connecting flights to neighboring countries are stranded with no attentions, yet we are flying footballers to Nigeria. na wa oo. All to deceive the world that all is well.

muami:
While I agree that the FG is maintaining a hard stance. The NLC/TUC share a greater proportion of the blame. How can a labour union tell an elected president to reverse himself otherwise no discussion. That is enough to make any president to ignore you. During military regimes, it might to okay to issue such orders during strikes because thats the language they understand and they had nobody's mandate but you don't do that to an elected president. The same people that are insisting that the FG must reverse are ignoring a court order and the part of the Reps motion urging them to call off the strike, yet they want the president to obey their order. Anyway, when two elephants fight, it is the grass that suffers

you sure don't know what negotiation is all about. You start from the extremes to get best from both sides. Both parties know that they would end up at negotiation table from start. Moreover, people makes govt. Even military have some power derivation from peoples acceptance.


OP: I never expected FGN to go back to N65, they wont, but the uprising should send signal to govt that people are watching. It should not fail.

[quote author=overkill® link=topic=843773.msg9942354#msg9942354 date=1326291445]As much as I respect  this Falana guy I think he's a conspiracy theorists! the other day it was IMF/WORLD BANK. Today he's calling figures he can't even verify! The constitution says he must have ministers from all states of the federation. GEJ call didn't make this laws. Amend it before you hang him to dry![/quote]How many states do we have, and how do we end up with more than 42 ministers

omanzo02:
By this time next week every protester are already in hungry mode. , they will switch to pro removal to earn salary  

I don't see any reason for anyone to rejoice at failure of this struggle even you don't support them. If they achieve some of their aims, especially less corrupt govt, we would all be better for it.

prodam:
any relationship between IBB&babangida aliyu and the "removal of fuel subsidy or oil cabals"

enlighten me

well he is one of most vocal among governors in favor of subsidy removal. he said he can't pay salary without the subsidy removed.

He He He, "Divide and Rule" tactics as usual

otokx:
They should leave this man alone.

Sanusi said he collected N220b from banks to import fuel, he collected the N220b as subsidy reimbursement from FGN, fuel bought has been sold and he is still owing banks N220b. He should explain.

Id, wetin be your answer?

Is anybody watching NTA and Silver-bird? PDP in Adamawa rally for Murtala Nyako governorship re-election, is that live?

who do we believe now, Minister of petroleum said Nigeria should not be in refinery business

LeoMax:
[b]PROTEST SHOULD BE AGAINST THESE CABALS
Oando Nigeria Plc, N228.506billion;
Integrated Oil and Gas Plc, N30billion;
MRS, 224.818 billion;
A.A. Rano, N1.14 billion;
A-Z Petroleum, N18.61 billion;
A.S.B, N3.16 billion;
Arcon Plc, N24.116 billion;
African Petroleum, N104.58 billion;
Aminu Resources, N2.3 billion;
Capital Oil, N22.4 billion;
Con Oil, N37.96 billion;
Avante Guard, N1.14 billion;
Avido, N3.64 billion;
Boffas and Company, N3.67 billion;
Brilla Energy, N960.3 million.
D. Jones Petroleum, N14.86 billion;
DownStream Energy, N789.648 million;
Dosil Oil and Gas, N3.375 billion;
Inco ray, N1.988 billion;
Eternal, N5.574 billion;
Folawiyo Energy, N113.32 billion;
Frado International, N2.63 billion;
First Deepwater Oil, N257.396 million;
Heden Petrol, N693 million;
Honeywell Petrol, N12.2 billion;
AMP, N11.417 billion;
Ascon, N5.271 billion;
Channel Oil, N1.308 billion;
Fort Oil, N8.582 billion;
Enak Oil & Gas, N19.684 billion;
Bovas & Co. Nig Ltd, N5.685billion;
Obat Oil N85billion.
IPMAN Investment Limited, N10.9billion;
Atio Oil, N64.4billion;
Emac Oil, N19.2billion.[/b]

we did not elect the cabal to rule us. our govt have responsibility to take care of the cabal for us. these so called cabals wine and dine with our elected govt. they are members of economic team. they all get national awards from our elected govt.

our govt campaigned and got elected based on campaign, so there is a contract between us and our govt.

LeoMax:
[size=15pt][b]PROTEST AGAINST THESE CABALS[/size]
Oando Nigeria Plc, N228.506billion;
Integrated Oil and Gas Plc, N30billion;
MRS, 224.818 billion;
A.A. Rano, N1.14 billion;
A-Z Petroleum, N18.61 billion;
A.S.B, N3.16 billion;
Arcon Plc, N24.116 billion;
African Petroleum, N104.58 billion;
Aminu Resources, N2.3 billion;
Capital Oil, N22.4 billion;
Con Oil, N37.96 billion;
Avante Guard, N1.14 billion;
Avido, N3.64 billion;
Boffas and Company, N3.67 billion;
Brilla Energy, N960.3 million.
D. Jones Petroleum, N14.86 billion;
DownStream Energy, N789.648 million;
Dosil Oil and Gas, N3.375 billion;
Inco ray, N1.988 billion;
Eternal, N5.574 billion;
Folawiyo Energy, N113.32 billion;
Frado International, N2.63 billion;
First Deepwater Oil, N257.396 million;
Heden Petrol, N693 million;
Honeywell Petrol, N12.2 billion;
AMP, N11.417 billion;
Ascon, N5.271 billion;
Channel Oil, N1.308 billion;
Fort Oil, N8.582 billion;
Enak Oil & Gas, N19.684 billion;
Bovas & Co. Nig Ltd, N5.685billion;
Obat Oil N85billion.
IPMAN Investment Limited, N10.9billion;
Atio Oil, N64.4billion;
Emac Oil, N19.2billion.[/b]

we did not elect the cabal to rule us. our govt have responsibility to take care of the cabal for us. these so called cabals wine and dine with our elected govt. they are members of economic team. they all get national awards from our elected govt.

our govt campaigned and got elected based on campaign, so there is a contract between us and our govt.

I hope he sticks to his gun but he should also withdraw the 2012 budget and reduce govt expenditure by 50% at least in a modified one to be resubmitted to the NASS. He may also drop PMS to N100 and get rest of subsidy out by 2013.

The whole country is grounded yet some die hard govt supporters are writing here that this is a failure , let's wait for more days before you can conclude.  As for today, it is huge success.

I suggest we come up with alternative options. I believe some people in government are on this forum they can let them know that we are not all noise without solution.

This is my own suggestion to GEJ.


Cut Govt expenses at all levels by 50%, keep PMS @ N100 and DPK by N80, use the proceeds from both savings to improve roads and other infrastructure in 2012  then remove rest of subsidy by 2013.  Continue to keeping govt expenses at reduced level but gradual increase salaries  based on ascertained inflation rates only.


We cannot continue to protest without providing options.  Lets face it, fuel subsidy cannot continue indefinitely, it does make make economic sense. .

^^^ that was Femi Kuti. He is correct at least Fasola did not hide his support for subsidy removal.