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onetrack: You are engaging in what is called a "Gish Gallop", which is when one person tries to overwhelm another with so many issues and questions that the opponent has a hard time sorting through everything in order to respond, leading the first person to claim victory.

Pick one or two of your claims and go from there.

Edited to add a link to the term "Gish Gallop" http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop

hayana ha.....apparently you are being modest in telling him the truth that his write ups are a mishmash of confusing and unrelated conjectural crap. if you wish to have a terrible headache then go ahead to read his lengthy mumbo-jumbo.....lol

donroxy: I have always been yearning to debate with you !!!


Yeah, just promise U aint gonna run away as Am gonna teach U how to debate here ..... !!!


What U just did up there is deviating from thread's topic which is proof existence of God !!!


The verses u rebutted in your quote where never used in substantiating the existence of God But standard of behaviour expected from who has actually believed !!!


So dude, pick another point and give a sensible rebut as U and I are gonna talk brain here ......


Don't do Shenanigans if u re a real Atheist and not a kinda lazy dude that finds religion so difficult to contend with !!!


Talk to Topic and give a sound rebuttal ...... !!!

being the most loquacious poster does not neccessarily equate to being the smartest person.

donroxy: I have always been yearning to debate with you !!!


Yeah, just promise U aint gonna run away as Am gonna teach U how to debate here ..... !!!


What U just did up there is deviating from thread's topic which is proof existence of God !!!


The verses u rebutted in your quote where never used in substantiating the existence of God But standard of behaviour expected from who has actually believed !!!


So dude, pick another point and give a sensible rebut as U and I are gonna talk brain here ......


Don't do Shenanigans if u re a real Atheist and not a kinda lazy dude that finds religion so difficult to contend with !!!


Talk to Topic and give a sound rebuttal ...... !!!

You are the one making an incomprehensible post.

donroxy: Thank You for this rebuttal !!!

U see, what actually explained your rebuttal is the Scriptures which we shall relate to Logical Reasoning .....


This Planet that we are is never our abode in the first place,it was as a result of indiscipline by MAN that brought us here ....

In the same vein, there are other planetary bodies that are worst than Earth .... I personally do not wish anybody wanted to be encapsulated in MERCURY nor VENUS likewise URANUS/NEPTUNE nor PLUTO !!


All the above planet and the activities therein doesn't proof God is imperfect but they are signs to show Wonders of the Lord


For Instance,

Look at all the bullshit we are doing on Nairaland lets assume Nairaland is the only Public Forum we have or all other public forum and Space is either by physical or Virtual means remotedly connected to SEUN OSEWA'S SERVER


If Seun Osewa should remove the control plug in his bedroom or wharever his server his located ....... Then what will happen to us all ....

We will be unable to access Nairaland nor any other social network ...


Likewise, we can also as member or guest of Nairaland uses our ingenuity to Strike attack against Nairaland ..... It is left to Seun Osewa to use his IT ingenuity in rebuffing suh attack or Allowing it to sustain and prevail,If he so wished without loosing a thing


Hmmm, I.e, it is only fanatics of Nairaland who shall loose out in the end while another portal could be opened for those that have abided or abiding by Seun's instruction !!!


Relate the above Scenario of Seun and Nairaland to God ..... U shall see God there .....!!!


Allahu Allam (The Supreme entity knows best ) !!!

Seriously Bro, you are rambling, I wish you would present facts and not personal stories and illustrations that are incoherent.

donroxy: See, God is not the one that is Imperfect mr Intellectual Scrutiny .... It is U and I !!!




Why should God Judged anybody if he absolutely controls U and I ....?


Then,His Judgement woulda been subjective If he decide the case he remotedly has power upon !!!


Infact,I think what an Atheist is doing is right in the presence of Allah only that It would be wrong if U failed to use consolidated knowledge in ascertaining the existence of God !!!



In answering your questions concerning disasters and endemic ......All were caused by our Human activities ,Oxone layers depletion,Ocean surge,Fire,Kidnapping,EartgQuake !!!


All the above implies God has given us forces to use our discretion in providing solution to our Global problem !!!


Bros, God is not addressing fools cuz A foolish man can never consolidate Knowledge ....... God addressing Knowledgeable people !!!




And what will God Judge ?

How much u have used your discretion (Knowledge) in providing solution to everly problematic social and physical environment is what God will Judge ....!!


Quran 103 stipulate who shall be judged right and they are ;

1. Those who believe (Knowledged) in the existence of God (Absolute Force) !!


2. Those who have used their discretion(Knowledge) to cause/create peace,development and cordial interralationship between Humanity and Her Enviroment !!!



3. Those who always enjoined the truth and ''diplomacy''


4. Those who are that exercise patience when they are striken by taking their time to act and/or react ...... !!!



::::::::::::::::::::::::::
These are those that shall be judged right


::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

Each Points enumerated above now have sub-points by which each could be achieved .....

I.e

1. Believe in Existence also have subpoints

and so on ......


So Religion does not limit Scientific Exploration has so many methodology used by God to cause Action has been also utilised by man ...


The difference is ''Man's power is limited'' while God's is ''Limitless'' !!!


Simple Command to Sun by its commanding Officer to Miscalculate will forever put our planet in jeopardy .... !!


Our Knowledge at such point is total BU.ll.Sh.i.t !!!

Honestly, I am finding it so difficult to make any sense out this lengthy post.
Man is imperfect, nobody is denying that fact. The fact here is the claims of a superpower almighty that is omniscient and omnipotent whose design is rife with mistakes and unforeseen design errors. This is common sense, if I have all the powers and knows everything even before they happen then it is common sense that my designs will just be as perfect and devoid of any error both seen and unseen ones, I won't settle for less.....it will take only an imperfect creator to make an imperfect creation simple.

CodeHouse: @rhymz I thought you were smart? I do not need to be as smart as you think you are to win this argument, for as much as you want to hear me use big jargons, sorry to disappoint you because the truth is obvious, we try to make everything complex, and the complexity has shaken equilibrum, therefore you are myopic to the simple truth and like you said we need not to waste time any longer..for if you like it or not GOD will forever remain GOD whatever you or anyone think..GO and add rat poison to someone elses juice and see if after consumption you will not see chaos..ISAAC NEWTON talked about law of inertia which still stands till tomorrow and you are here talking about actions or in-actions...msheeeeeew

typical of Christian robots to get angry and militant when somebody burst their bubbles and they can't seem to argue without throwing childish temper tantrums....lol...sorry dumbo I don't see your God doing anything about it, you can report me to him if it hurts you that much.

Again, I laugh at the very petty and childish arguments from religionsts that are supposed to know better. There is this lack and incoherence in their arguments that goes to show that it is either they are regurgitating long held beliefs they find difficult to disbelieve or they are just plane dumb playing religion where simple empirical evidence should suffice.

The fact that even amongst the believers, that there seems to be a disagreement about the substance of God they all like to erroneously claim is one Almighty giant male hanging nowhere in particular and commanding stuff to take shape and form shows this alpha-male is a creation in the figment of man's imagination and attempt to answer questions he obviously finds mysterious.

That the Christian God is different from the Jewish God or the Muslim God both in actions and substance shows the incongruity of the God stories that are abound.

I like to see sensible arguments made on the basis of common sense and the empirical evidence of science and not faith(irrational belief on something that can't be proven or explained) and superstition about the little devils on your shoulders telling you he is the creator of the universe.

CodeHouse: @rhymz so now you agree that there exist a creator but by default the creations are faulty, i.e You and I..ok now we are getting somewhere...I wonder what these faults are, of what form are these faults? Dude you should take responsibiliies for your actions, so if I understand you, all positive actions of ours as humans are not faults from the design but the negative ones are the creators fault?

Hey Mr
I would advise for the sake of a robust argument devoid of childish antics to win an argument that you stop such pre-suppositions as you have written above and drawing hasty conclusions that I have not yet reached for myself.

I am not interested in your viewpoint about my beliefs, my only concern is to show the incongruity of such claims that your god is perfect and created all things perfectly.
I have asked you over and over again to explain how naturally disastrous phenomenon are as result of man's action or inaction, how allowing diseases and sufferings in his design are seen as perfect, if you can't answer them just ignore instead of you wasting Precious time to psycho-analyse somebody you don't and will never know.

CodeHouse: @rhymz..natural disaster, sickness and whatever are actually caused by humans, there are billions of things you don't and will never know about how men continually affect balance..so so many things you do not know about science...the components that make up your samsung galaxy tablet, droid or ipad (which I feel is the height of technology in this part of the world)..do you think those components are cooked in the kitchen? Not to talk much of technology that you have not even dream about that are already existing...my point bro..humans have shaken the balance of things, when GOD created earth, everything was perfect and peaceful, whatever disease you hear of are actually engineered

Your line of argument would have sufficed if you were debating with somebody that's neither knowledgeable nor old enough to understand the capabilities of the mind and its creations.

You can blame the human race for avoidable phenomenon cause by her actions and in-actions but you can not still blame them for occurrences that are obviously not in their control or through their actions, occurrences that are part of design defaults can not be shifted to the person using the product but to the designer who obviously did not envisage such problems from his design defaults. if you know anything about creation or manufacturing you will know why there ate upgrades let alone an alleged perfect designer whose creations are riddled with errors and unseen mistakes.

Justiceotuya: there cannot be an artwork without a painter, likewise there cannot be a creation without a creator.

if I were to go by your argument, then we will infinitely be asking dumb questions about who created even the creator since according to you everything has to have a creator, don't you think that line of argument is neither here nor there.....so where does it end?

auskenfine: Perfection! Everything God does is relatively stable and peaceful!

You and I know that the basis of your claims is greatly flawed when viewed through the perfect lens of serious intellectual scrutiny.
If everything God is relatively stable and perfect and you claim he is the creator of this universe then how do you explain the very obvious imperfections and mistakes in the in the design of an all-knowing, all-seeing God that sees things even before they happen? with all the natural disasters, the sufferings, infirmities, children dying of incurable diseases, children being born with defects and deformities that will set them up for life as liability to the world and you sit in your arm chair to proclaim God is perfect, are you dense or just high on some religious BS

Cybertooth: I can't even comprehend your dumb and silly ill-spoken post.

So you mean there are still humans in this 21st century that are synonymous with atheism?? Jeez! For some reason I would want to believe that all atheist have been possessed by acient spirit and mentality.


For the part of you asking, "saved from who?" Go and read the books of the New Testament...

ALL ATHEIST KNOW THE TRUTH YET THEY DECEIVE CHRISTIANS... THAT'S THE WORK OF THE DEVIL

Typical of christain indoctrinated dolts to take to throwing childish temper tantrums in the absence of any concrete fact or evidence to argue their claims.
On a good day, I don't waste time on petty minded Christian fanatics that get gutter and ghetto when unpalatable facts are rammed down their empty head. I would advise that you deal with the message and forget about the religious leanings of the messenger, ranting and talking thrash does not take away the facts that there I'd no such person as Jesus in any part of human history.....there are enough evidences from the irrefutable stables of history of the alleged ttime it was claimed that he lived, which clearly did not record any of the fairytales in the bible.....it is hard to believe but that is the annoying truth about the person of Christ.....he is just like every other mythological God-men, the figment of man's imagination and creation.....there is nothing original about the Jesus story, simple, you can choose to go blind over it but that is a fact that can't be wished away by being uncouth and petty.

@Emusan
I would have taken you seriously with your own concoction of the trinity if you were talking about an African deity, say sango or amadioha and likes but if we are still talking about this Roman-Greeko God-Man Jesus Christ then you are not allowed to manufacture your own facts and personal opinions.

Now if I were to follow your greatly flawed logic, God, Jesus and the holyghost are all these person in different form that coexist and are coeternal and equally powerful, right?
I have some interesting questions for you, I want to show you the folly of your own argument,
1. Is Jesus Christ Begotten, yes or know?
2. If Jesus is God then who exactly is the Father that he so fondly refers to every time he is making a point about heaven, himself or a separate higher person or deity?
3. Does God have a spirit? If yes then in what form does he exist as God, another spirit too?

Now let's take some of the biblical verses that clearly showed that Jesus is nowhere thesame as God, not that I believe the incoherence rife on the bible but I just feel I should take you up on the incongruity of such belief system.
In Acts 7:55,56 and col 3:1, we are told that Jesus is seated at the right hand of God in heaven.This
statement is very simplistic and very clear that
there are two separate people here not coexisting as one but as separate deities.
How about the book of John 8: 7-18, where Jesus
wanted to make it very clear that Jesus and God
are two separate beings. It reads "It is written in
your law, that the testimony of TWO men is true.
I am one that bear witness of myself, and the
father that sent me beareth of me." If Jesus and
God are one in the same, Jesus wouldn't have
been able to make that statement.
How about Rev. 5:7: And he (the lamb, Jesus)
came and took the book out of the right hand of
him that sat on the throne (God).
I await your response, if you can intelligently respond to these questions with out throwing childish temper tantrums then we can fully explore this discussion to its fullest.

Cybertooth: hahahaha...brainwashed humans... Who is Jesus Christ? Who is God? Who created you?

Jesus Christ is a mythological character whose legendary stories and alleged life was a dizzying hackman's job of other god-men characters like Horus, Krishna and likes......they are all man made mental creation that never existed anywhere or any concrete place.....there is a reason why Christians have a hard time talking about how he looks, his birthday and so on.....all the stories you have about your wwhite face jesus concocted pagan stories of pagan gods and beliver system......ask yourself why God had to send himself to die for ppl he was angry with just so they can be sabed, from who na? anew start using your heads.

C-BOZ:
all d atheists currently in hell now belive in Christ, but too late! better belive now dat u are alive.

it is either you are mentally dense to not see the inincongruity of w loving God throwing ppl he gave free will into he'll for exercising it or you need burn that bible for tucking up with your mind.

[quote author=Akbee][/quote]how old are you son?
So your Chi is the white face Jesus forced on you by white missionaries......if only you knew ......
any way, report here if you feel you know much about Christianity and it's hisTory
www.nairaland.com/1020513/exposed-jesus-
christ-greatest-lie

ifeness: Bible kissing fool

www.nairaland.com/1020513/exposed-jesus-
christ-greatest-lie
check out this thread and see how the whole Christ story was exposed to be the greatest lie ever sold.....

Emusan: Just a one question on quoted part above. When they brought the ideaology of Trinity into Christendom, do they re-write Bible or still the same Bible we seen today?

The simple Trinity is this;

*Father-Is the God Himself.
*Son(word/Jesus)-Is the spoken-word of God Himself.
*Holyspirit-The spirit of God Himself.

These three are one! Both the word(Jesus) and the Holyspirit always have IMAGE of invisible God(Father) in any of their operation.

Jesus Himself comformed Trinity in John 14:23 "Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him."

He used WE (Personal Singular Pronouns), how many people He's talking about?

Also He used OUR (Possesive Adjective), how many people He's also talking about?

Shalom!

Dude what exactly is your point? You seem to be ignorantly claiming that the bible is inerrant or has not been severally altered and distorted.
If seriously you are interested about the theology and historicity of the trinity doctrine, then you will take your time to read about the Nicene Creed and about the Libyan scholar Arius that argued against the concept of a three in one God, as if ma commercial detergent

Bidam: Are you ready to accept Christ as your Lord and personal saviour?

nope cos I don't know who the nigga is, can you prove yo me that you know who this Jesus is or what he looks like besides the incoherent gibberish that is rife in the bible. can you explain why w,loving father will send his only begotten son to be murdered by thesame people he came to the world to save from his father's wrath. why dis God need Jesus to die just so he, God can be appeased......does he really need Jesus's death to fix things or is the whole story just a rehashed allegory of the well known and well documented pagan myth and belief systems of dying deities whose deaths bring salvation and redemption to its followers? who really was Jesus sef, a true historical person or a personified myth?

Bidam: Ignorance and unbelief is not an excuse.Give your life to Jesus.

see who is ttalking about ignorance when the entire Christiandom can't even come to an agreement on the subject of trinity.
Jesus is God
Holy spirit is God
The father is God......three different personalities all claiming to be God with equal powers and coexistence......yet in the creation report of the old testament, God seem to claim he alone exists and created the world
Thesame bible in the New testament goes on yo talk about the word and all that carp theory.....
let me ask you this, is Jesus Christ begotten or not?

Bidam: Lemme still repost here what i told you frosbel in the Trinitarian disrespect for God thread.

This is what the bible says about God and i can bring scriptures to validates all these points here.

1.The Father is God.
2.The Son is God.
3.The Father is not the Holy Spirit.
4.The Holy Spirit is God.
5.The son is not the Holy Spirit.

All these points are scriptural proofs which can't be debunked by you and other folks till thy kingdom come because it is clearly stated in scriptures.Infact i make bold to say here that it is the concept of the unitarian God that is illogical.Frosbel use to argue here that God is just a spirit,well if God is just a spirit he will be no greater than the angels since that is all the angels are,and lucifer will have a chance in the war in heaven if God is only a spirit.

I believe God to be more than just a spirit since he created all the angels and that was why i said the infinite God is beyond what our finite minds can grasp.

All monotheistic religions claim that God is all-knowing(omniscient). If God knows all He must be able to see everything and then He must be everywhere all at once which makes God omnipresence.Now the meat of the gist is that if God is omnipresent he will have to be greater than our 3 dimensional world because a 3 dimensional being can never be omnipresent.In other words God is hyper dimensional or infinitely dimensional,let's see what prophet Isaiah has to say about this.

Isaiah 40:28 (KJV)

28 Hast thou not known? Hast thou not heard, that the everlasting God, the Lord, the Creator of the ends of the earth, fainteth not, neither is weary? There is no searching of His understanding.

Isaiah 40:28 (CEB)

28 Don’t you know? Haven’t you heard?
The Lord is the everlasting God,
the creator of the ends of the earth.
He doesn’t grow tired or weary.
His understanding is beyond human reach,

Isaiah 40:28

28 Surely you know the truth.
Surely you have heard.
The Lord is the God who lives forever!
He created all the faraway places on earth.
He does not get tired and weary.
You cannot learn all he knows.

The truth is since we are 3 dimensional beings we have a limit in our understanding logically about a hyper dimensional being such as God.For example a two dimensional world will never understand that a square can be made like a cube,it will only look like a sqaure to him no matter where it changes so he has to trust and believe the explanations of someone living in a 3 dimensional world that the square is actually a cube.And so is God attributes in hyper dimensional terms according to scriptures,Paul understood it and that was why he said the multifaceted and multidimensional wisdom of God which the age does not know neither could it comprehend it.The concept of trinity by bible scholars of old is hence the perfect explanations of the attributes of God as a hyper dimensional idea that can be explainable to us.Thanks and God bless.

https://www.nairaland.com/1318987/trinitarian-disrespect-god/10#16990348

.......bullshyt

The Trinity doctrine is not unique to, nor
original with Christianity.
It has deep Pagan roots, dating back to at
least two centuries before the birth of
Christ, and has been prominent in many
Eastern religions ever since. The Roman
Catholic and Orthodox Church Councils
(Western and Eastern churches) brought the
Trinity doctrine into Christianity.
The whole Godhead ideology is pure man-
made dogma rooted from Roman and
Grecian Empire pegan practice and made
extremely popular by the then Empiror of
Rome Constantin for political reasons.
Up until the rule of Emperor Constantine,
the Christians of the Roman Empire were
seriously persecuted. However, Constantine
saw a chance to help restore the former
glory of the Roman Empire by bringing
about religious unity. In exchange for the
cooperation of the Roman Christian Bishops
he made Christianity the official state
religion. But this came at a great cost to
the true gospel of Jesus Christ. From there
forward Christianity became a mixture of
the Christian blind faith, Politics and
Paganism.
One of the most common beliefs among
Pagan cultures was in a trinity of gods.
Such practices were rife among the
Egyptians, Indians (of India), Japanese,
Sumarians, Chaldeans, and of course, the
Babylonians, to where historians trace the
roots of trinitarism.
I will like you to do a little history research
on the council of Nicaea convened by the
empror of Rome, Constantine inviting the
proponents of a triun God led by Alexander
of Alexandria (Bishop of Alexandria) with
other bishops from egypt and libya who
supported his teachings that Christ was
"thesame substance" as the Father and the
proponents of One true God led by Arius, a
native Libyan, who went to school in
Antioch. He argued that the Father alone is
true God, and Jesus was not God. Since
Jesus was created by God, there would be
a time when Jesus did not exist, Arius used
Proverbs 8:22 and John 14:28 (the Father is
greater than I) to back up his opposition.
The result of that meeting was today's
roman catholic Nicene creed and
subsequent revisions of the creed plus the
excommunication of Arius whose teachings
were more reasonable and more in line with
what was in the bible and not the common
egyptian pagan practice of a three in one
God. Funny enough, the Roman emperor
Constatine, who was the "presiding
chairman" of the council and was reported
by historians to have even given
suggestions that helped to arrive at today's
Roman Catholic Nicene creed was a Pegan
who thought of himself as the sun God
incarnate, Mithra. He was a Sun Worshiper
and only made an official conversion to
"Christianity" on his deathbed. After the
Nicene creed, trinity was still hotly debated
to the point Constantine and the Bishops
had to use force to enforce beliefs in it and
barred anyone from preaching anything
contrary to it, books written on the subject
by Arius were burnt and anyone found in
possession of such writings faced state
capital punishment and from there it
became today's christian doctrines hotly
contested as devine by christians like
yourself.
There it is, the little history of the
nonsensical three person in one god
teachings by the roman catholic church, this
is common history littered in the vatican
archives and encyclopaedia, there is nothing
devine or mysterious about it, men like you
and I made it look mysterious to dodge
pertinent questions. It was a vote of men
that established it, not revelation from God
or scriptures.
Just as they“Christianized” popular church
dogma, thus we end up with Christmas
being celebrated on Dec 25th; Easter, which
combined the resurrection of Christ with the
pagan goddess Ester, and Halloween
combined with All Saint’s Day. Spiritual
mysteries indeed!

IvyBlue: ^ ^ hhhmm chinese police aint crazy either ,they must have done something .why only them? How special are they?

how old are you by the way? what do you know about the corruption and blatant abuse of human rights that go on in China on daily basis?
I know one of the two women involved and I know she is too busy to get petty and unruly in far away China. The question is this, do you have any serious information besides baseless assumptions and ifs and buts......explaining anything to you is am effort in futility..

Judas2013: The whole christian doctrine is fake. Only the intelligent will know that

you could not have said it any better.... the Christians were challenged on this thread:
www.nairaland.com/1020513/exposed-jesus-christ-greatest-lie
all the could do was throw childish temper tantrums.

Emusan: The major misconception in Trinity is the @bolded part above.

Trinity isn't a three seperate Beings but one Being.

*Jesus is the Spoken-word of God
* Holyspirit is the Spirit of God Himself

As human being has spirit and word in himself which represents them anywhere anytime.

really.....so in a way, Jesus Christ is God himself, right? God in his younger form I guess..... does this even make sense

The woman in question, Mrs Badmus is an aunty to me, I don't know her to be an irrational woman, there is no how she would have assaulted a Chinese person in China if was not in retaliation or defence.
I was just informed about this, I am going to speak with her son right away to understand what really happened.
In the mean time, it will do a lot of Nigerians good if they learn to stop jumping to conclusions and preposterous assumptions, that is somebody's mother we are talking about, it is annoying to see how little angry kids here on NL are busy assuming nonsense and talking as if they were there.

It is even unfortunate that nobody is talking about the insidious effect this "give money get Blessings" trend in churches is having on the way we view the poor, we have all lost compassion for them and view their poverty state with disgust as if they are the reason they have continued to be poor like some pastors erroneously preach about poverty being mindset and all that sweet talking nonsense they use to manipulate the psyche of their largely tamed congregation.

There will always be poor people amongst us, no doubt, but is it not one of the responsibilities of NPOs like churches to not only be seen preaching about it but also make prioritized efforts to help alleviate poverty and sufferings through long-lasting contributions to people's lives.

It's high time the managers of these churches showed some transparency and financial responsibility in the way funds are handled, how come nobody has asked what the monies accrued from other branches every month through remittances are used for if every time the church needs to embark on a project, it has to ask for preposterous contributions from members. As we know, churches are not taxed so exactly do they spend money on, maintaining daddy GO's insatiable lifestyle? Maintaining daddy GO's private jet? Or embarking on ego boosting superfluous projects that have little effects on the lives of the majority of people that go to daddy GO's church.

Does RCCG have engineers and environmentalists, were they consulted by the all knowing papa GO? How come nobody is talking about the alternatives of building a 3km stretch of auditorium with all its attendant problems and environmental hazard along a major highway when there are way better alternatives through the use of advanced public transmission and address systems. Do they really need everyone converging in a place, is that really necessary or is it about just being known for pulling crowds and causing avoidable traffic.

I am surprised that government environmental agencies are not saying anything about the negative impact these religious bodies and their crowds wreck on the environment, they are gradually constituting a nuisance to road users, I personally have experienced avoidable sufferings they put road travelers through, no responsible government should allow such nonsense to continue, let alone adding another wooping 3km stretch, bunch of unreasonable bigots calling themselves men God.

Finally, until they learn to prioritize, they will continue to put pressure,on their members to go and steal money to impress Daddy GO.

The people defending this kalokalo going on these days in the church are foolish hypocrits, Adeboye expects billion naira donation from a congregation that is over 80% poor and average income earners.

Does this not tell a lot about what the man cares about, properties and not human beings or decency. How many Nigerians with honest means can boast of having a billion naira in their accounts let alone enough to give out to some chest beating cause that does nothinh to the well being of his congregation. unless the man does not care about the source.

This is exactly what breeds corruption. How can Adeboye ask people to contribute a billion naira? This country has lost morality, we have lost our sense of decency. Adeboye is a hypocrit and a smooth talking bible wielding conman, they are more interested in building magnificent edifices for boasting sake than the welfare of people.

Any man that consciously brings such amount of money to Adeboye's personal secretary should be investigated, no serious business person with decent means release such funds unless it is for serious business that will yield profit. In a country like Nigeria where we have emergency millionaires with corrupt means how many wealthy people can boast of such wealth coming from the efforts of their labour?
No need for Adeboye to be decieving people with his hypocritical gentle and humble MOG mien when he is in the business of courting corrupt money bags that are busy sucking this country dry.
Little wonder these so called MOG will never lend their voice to national issues that seek criticize or force government to be responsible.

favouryemmy: Do you know that since the agreement was signed in 2009, ASUU has shifted ground on numerous occasions? Do you also know that this issue has persisted simply because the FG has been trying to dribble ASUU after all these? One of these reductions in demand came in January last year but the FG has been paying lip service to the implementation. ASUU has shifted ground enough and the FG should simply honour the agreement. It's a pity that the strike option had to be taken but, you and I know that's the only language the FG understands.

Let's be clear on certain issues here, ASUU and the FG have both shifted grounds when it was necessary to do so, let's not all throw the blame alone at the FG as if ASUU is a union of saints.
In 2009, the major reasons for the strike was 1. The unilorin 49 lecturers sacked by the university's management, an unfortunate disagreement that had happened like several years back only for them to use it and salary increment as an excuse to disrupt academic activities for close to 3months. Their other demands were obviously demands that needed serious national debates before any decision could be taken..... Issues like giving Fed schools full autonomy to generate their own funds and run the schools as a profit oriented concern need serious input from every Nigerian, it is not an issue to be left solely in the hands of ASUU and its member to decide, it has to be understood that FG too is looking out for the common man here that wants to go to the university without having to worry about paying preposterous amount of money for almost thesame quality of education as seen in our private schools. The only difference between so-called private universities and those of the public is uninterrupted academic calendar yet parents whose kids are in these schools pay exploitative amounts as school fees and sundry.
The only time ASUU is known to have shifted ground is on these issues which obviously can't be resolved by threat of forcertain and strikes.
Again, ASUU needs to change the way they negotiate with an FG that has,nit been straightforward to them instead of making ordinary students suffer the consequences of the fallout between them and FG.

don't know why Nigerians like to get petty in
issues where common sense should rule. I was
going through the dailies this morning; madam
minister tells Nigeria that FG can not meet ASUU's
92billion naira extra allowance pay package,
reading through the comments that came after this
announcement only showed how petty and
unnecessarily emotional an average Nigerian is.
Whether we all like to admit it or not, ASUU and its
members are killing are killing tertiary education in
this country with their resort to strikes every time
there is a disagreement with the FG.
One of the rules of negotiation is compromise; no
serious negotiator (who is the one demanding)
goes to the table with a conclusive mindset of his
demands. It is no more news that the FG is going
broke and recurrent expenditure makes up over 70%
of our national budget, it will be folly for any
financial manager to not raise eye brows at
demands that only seek to worsen the situation.
Comparing the salaries and emoluments of people
in academics to political office holders still does
not justify the fact that government needs to
reduce its recurrent expenditure: no society or
economy develops with a sizable chunk of her
budget dedicated to paying salaries, bonuses,
allowances and sundry payments.
The issue here is not about whether the people in
academia are being paid well, the struggle should
go beyond that, the concept of going on strike just
so salaries can be increased or for bonuses and
allowances to be paid is antithetical to the
advancement of our education system in this
country. I don't see how jumbo salaries can
translate to quality education that is obviously
lacking in our schools. There is no where in the
world where academics are millionaires, the best
anyone in academia can get is a comfortable life
enough for anyone to be fulfilled.
If the intention of any person in academia is to be
a millionaire then may be they need a career
switch, instead of jeopardizing the future of the
students who suffer from these strikes. Enough is
enough ASUU

hmmmmm.....nairaland and its weird stories, next Yoruba people go open their own thread to claim Yoruba was spoken in 1890...lol