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Mine was on phone, she saw it coming, it was on the 31st of last year before then we had been having serious issues at a point I travelled out of the state for over 4months and we did not speak to each other called. I came back to Lagos and we made up again but things never were the same, I discovered she was up to something, she became more interested in asking me for money than about the relationship, in fact, part of what I had to agree to was to pay her the monthly stipends that I usually gave her every end of the month, she wanted me to pay up the money that had accrued during the four months we did not speak to each other.

However when I discovered that the spark was not there again, that she was up to something else, probably had gotten a replacement sef- cos she was always having men approaching her parents for hand in marriage- o boi I started using my head o. Just like that, I decided the break up was going to be on phone, not that she would do anything silly if I told her in person but I just wanted that way. I first sent her a text message that it was not working and I did not want to continue like that, later she tried to call but I did not pick. Then I called and told her point blank that we should both move on, surprisingly she said if that was what I wanted no problem, i dropped the call, deleted her number and contact and heaved a heavy sigh of relief....no drama men, I still occasionally say hi to her on Facebook.

haibe: This guy why not argue with sense, paul never met Christ until his encounter on his way to persecute the Christians, so how to you expect him to know all that Christ has said when he was alive? you think we are doing film tricks here? or magic?

Paul faced the work given to him, and that is to preach salvation to the jews and gentiles, not to record the saying of Christ in his epistles.

Funny enough if paul quoted Jesus,it's still some slowpokes that will be asking how he knew about all that jesus said since he never met him, baseless arguments I say.

Please if even though you are free to argue without applying wisdom and fairness, do that moderately.

Kid shut up and just comment on things you know, you mean to tell me that Paul that was alive both during and after the advent of Christ did not know jack about the Christ he was leading people to? Do you have any sense at all? How can Paul be preaching about Jesus Christ yet he does not know who he is, that explains the concept of the religion:ignorant people being led by the blind. In essence you are arguing that Paul was preaching and talking about another Jesus Christ different from the one in the Gospels he claims to be preaching, that exactly corroborate my argument that Paul the founder of Christianity preached about a different Christ that greatly differs from the one in the gospel, his own Christ like the one in the gospels was also a mental creation influenced heavily by both Hellenistic and gnostic religious dogmas and practices, am sure you know he practiced the so-called pagan religion before his alleged conversion to Christianity which of course influence his religious construct of Christ and Christianity.
You are way out of your league, it is obvious you do not know what you are yapping about.

haibe: Flavius josephus was a 1st-century Romano-Jewish historian who always refuted that Jesus is the Son of God, yet he wrote about Jesus and talked about his existence, this guy doesn't support a lot of biblical stances but yet he believed Christ existed.

Like I suspected, you are an intellectual pretender, you know next to nothing about the nonsense you write or the historians you name,
to begin with, Flavious Josephus was a Jewish historian, he arguably wrote the most extensive history books of the 1st century yet in all of his work, at no point did he make any mention of Jesus christ except for the interpolation by the church father Eusebus in the man's work in two brief paragraphs that purpots purport to refer to Jesus Christ. An interpolation that have been found to be outright falsification and forgery.
Josephus Father was contemporaneous to both Pilate and the advent of christ, if Christ had existed at the time his father would no doubt have made mention of him to his historian son. Josephus himself was appointed to Galilee and was in Rome the same time Paul was alleged to be in Rome with his christian community incurring the wrath of the authorities yet in all of Josephus writings, at no time did he mention Paul or Jesus christ besides those two fraudulent forgeries interpolated into the man's work.
I challenge you to provide the pages of the man's work where he allegedly refuted that Jesus was the son of God. You need to just humble yourself and let the facts speak for themselves instead of you randomly trying to pass lies and hear-say as truth.[/quote]

haibe: A lot of historians documented about Jesus even though they didn't believe him to be the son of God. Buhari and Muslim's hadith is another proof. There are different scribes who penned down writings about jesus in his time and made declarations of who He is.

So bro, I think you do need to check your owb stand on this, Christ existed and is not even an argument, people do not just believe he is the son of God, Do researches without bias and you will just always be close to the truth Instead of deceiving yourself. Your argument that jesus didn't exist is the most illogical I have come across since a lot of history figures can't always meet "proof needs".

Once again you are entitled to your opinion, its a free world.

Can you point to me which of the first century historian made mention of christ in their extensive, outside of the interpolations and forgeries, don't even mention scholars or hostorians that had to use distorted 5th to 6th century history books to write their own history, it does not prove anything.

haibe: Guy ur post still doesn't make sense, I have given you proves why Christ did exist but it seems you find it hard to read or something. You said the prove existed only in the bible and I highlighted other books too.

You have given me proves why Christ exist by randomly talking about historians whose work you barely know what they were about except that they were mentioned as citing the existence of Christ, don't you see that you sound like an intellectual toddler trying to pass off his confusion as knowledge. Perhaps you should first understand the argument before rushing off to angrily post incomprehensible BS

haibe: So why should I not leave you to your opinion when you are confused as to what you believe, I do have better threads to face than this, I don believe in writing long epistles to prove a point buy I will just do you this favour, infact I didn't even get the point in the mumbo jumbo you quoted up there, be concise.

sounding like a kid throwing temper tantrums only exposes your lack of knowledge about what you are yapping, it is either you know it or you don't, writing angrily like a thug does not help your case so calm down and learn.

haibe: If you're an alert type, you might remember the 2001 discovery of an ancient bone box inscribed with the words ‘James, son of Joseph, brother of Jesus.’

Also other word religions prove Jesus existed, Mormonism, Scientology, Rastafarianism, cults like The Manson Family or North Korea’s creepy ‘Kim’ cult, islam, etc all recorded and acknowledge the existence of Jesus, that debunks your fake argument that the prove of Jesus is only in the bible, I wonder how some supposed intelligent person will arive at a conclusion like this.

I read this gibberish and almost decided I was going to ignore you as it was obvious I was dealing with below average I.Q mouthing off the nonsense he heard or was told by some queer Christian scientists.

Can you read the nonsense you wrote about a box of bones with the tag James son of Joseph brother to Jesus, who believes such a hogwash, your claim to Jesus's existence is an alleged bone box that makes an allusion to being that of Jesus's brother, whoever made such discovery is a fraud like many of the Christian church fathers in the habit of altering history books just to squeeze in Jesus's existence.

Gradually, opposition in the SW region is beginning to advange of the very docile nature of the Yoruba voting populace, knowing how easy they can fall for propaganda and clannish tribal sentiments.
Fashola bought bullet proof cars for all most thesame amount as Stella's yet he is being praised as the best thing since Obama while they clamour for us to kill Stella for doing thesame... I dry laugh, this APC experiment is going to engulf the whole of the SW if the people continue to let themsrlves be used as willing tools.

haibe: Okay stick to your opinion, it's a free world.

maybe the roman fathers wrote the quran and BOM too

of course I expect you to bum out, so typical of christian supposed "intellectuals" to chicken out when it comes explaining the historicity of their faith.

The story of Jesus Christ can be found only in the forged books of the New Testament, an assortment of gospels and epistles that required many centuries and hands to create. Funny enough, the NT is not a single volume; it is a combination of compiled books from very many unknown authors with influences from different pagan religions and prevailing religious practices of their time.
In one of the many posts to defend the inerrancy of the Christian book, the bible was described as the inspired word of God…. That is hardly true as with little research, it will be revealed that the books of the NT were canonized (i.e the highly political early church Bishops from Rome and Alexandria raucously selecting from the over 200 gospel books in circulations which one is to be termed inspired by God and which one is to be termed Apocrypha) by mere mortals with even worse vices than an average folk.
In fact, it has been demonstrably proven that the earliest NT book were not even the so-called gospels but the Pauline Epistles which basically form the Christian liturgy of today even though in comparison to the Jesus described in the Gospels, the Pauline Jesus is heavily mystical with dizzying similarities with Hellenistic mythologies and dogma.
To start with, even though the various Pauline epistles contained in the New Testament form an important part of Christianity, yet these “earliest” of Christian texts never discuss a historical background of Jesus,yet Paul purportedly lived during and after Jesus’s advent and surely would have known about his master’s miraculous life.

Instead, these letters deal with a spiritual construct found in various religions, sects, cults and mystery schools that had existed hundreds to thousands of years prior to the Christian era. The Pauline books do not refer to Pilate or the Romans, or Caiaphas, or the Sanhedrin, or Herod or Judas, or the holy women, or any person in the gospel account of the Passion; neither did his epistles ever make any allusion to them.

You too think about it, Is it conceivable that a preacher of Jesus could go throughout the world to convert people to the teachings of Jesus, as Paul did, without ever quoting a single one of his sayings?
Unless of course, he was not aware of such preaching, sermons or even miracles which points to the fact that possibly did not happen in the first place.
Had Paul known that Jesus had preached a sermon, or formulated a prayer, or said many inspired things about the here and the hereafter, he could not have helped quoting, now and then, from the words of his master. If Christianity could have been established without a knowledge of the teachings of Jesus, why then, did Jesus come to teach, and why were his teachings preserved by divine inspiration?

If Paul knew of a miracle-working Jesus, one who could feed the multitude with a few loaves and fishes, who could command the grave to open, who could cast out devils, and cleanse the land of the foulest disease of leprosy, who could, and did, perform many other wonderful works to convince the unbelieving generation of his divinity, is it conceivable that either intentionally or inadvertently he would have never once referred to them in all his preaching?

The position, then, that there is not a single saying of Jesus in the gospels which is quoted by Paul in his many epistles is unassailable, and certainly fatal to the historicity of the gospel Jesus, a damning fact many Christians love to ignore in their arguments but rather choose to bury their head in “FAITH”

To tell you the truth, this argument has been overflogged more than a hundred times, I even have a thread I created in which I exhaustively argued this same topic with one Mr_anonym using excerpts from a well researched book by DM Murdock, Christ conspiracy the greatest lie ever sold which also was the name of the thread.

Going through that same argument to repeat myself again is one heck of a job I can no longer do again except I have to post summarised versions of my arguments there....
that being said, I like to point to you that the existence of Christ is an onus on every Christian that claims to know him should strive to prove and not the other way round.

The problem I have with many Christians is the fact that they like to argue from a close-minded stand point and want you too to do thesame.

Jesus's existence has for a very long time been a subject of contention amongst scholars historians and religious comparative analysts as many of the claims of the gospels are usually non-existent outside of bible whose books were canonized by highly political Roman church fathers. The Bible is neither an inerrant word of God or an unbiased history book outside of the Christian religion. Most of what we have there are distortions, half-truth, interpolations and copycat concepts from supposed pagan religions.... it can not be used as a history book to prove Jesus's existence, that is my point.

anonimi: Just to confirm what you wrote above:

China is ruthless in its pursuit of technological advancement and development, even the USA is afraid of China. Don't you see how they are gradually dominating not just our market but businesses too. The other I was going to work somewhere on the island and I saw this big hotel with Chinese people everywhere, it was like they booked up the whole hotel, yet this little minded fucktards at the NA are busy crying to government to continue to allow Nigeria be under the shackles of economic colonialism and the ignorant ones here are busy cheering them up.

hahahaha.... some people are going to have HBP because GEJ says igbos are the backbone of his government.... lol
See all these Yoruba boiz hyping the SW and arrogating fictitious political powers to the Yoruba... lol... you lot try too hard to exaggerate your importance in Nigeria, no region or tribe can boast of being the king maker in this country, that claim is nonsense, even the north and the Hausa tribe can not make such an assertion not to talk of the ever erratic Yoruba politicians that flow where their bread is best buttered and not necessarily based on principles.

You lots are mad because the Igbo politicians are beginning to play it ruthlessly as well and are gaining upper hand ..... Yoruba politicians are genius but we saw how GEJ with the help of the East demystified the spurious claim to genius by the the Yoruba political class.... I bet they are still heaving with pain and shock from that last presidential election that revealed them as nothing different from any other region or tribe.

israel007: What I really expected is for them to graatually introduce the said cars into the market and allow consumers make their own choices.

it is either you are not smart or you have no idea what you are yapping about. How can you be talking of gradual introduction of locally made vehicles when they will have to compete with bigger brands that manufacture at way lower cost in Asia especially in thesame markets not to talk of the heavily subsidized American and European vehicles. Many of you need to engage your brains when posting, you make an average Nigerian seem dull with the way you analyze issues.

There is no way these local auto manufacturers will be able to compete favourably with these known brands without government's support and intervention, I expect that some of you that claim to be enlightened should know this common truth, this is not rocket science.

It is Nigerians like these ones that Innoson was complaining to the minister about, the ones that prefer to buy lower quality plastic from Germany instead of buying from innoson, a Nigerian with the largest plastic company on the whole of west Africa.

You all think China is able to compete with America and Europe because of its superb quality? China competes by first running a monopoly of production and sales of any item in China before going out to export and competing, the government there have protectionist laws that are extreme without minding how it hurts foreign businesses, that is why in china today, of you want to compete you will have to move your plant and production facilities to China.... you can't produce in America or Europe and take it you China to sell as we foolishly do here.

haibe: lmao, I was expecting something like this, all you have above is pure hogwash. Do a better historical study of Jesus and you will convinced beyond reasonable doubt that Jesus didn't only exist but that he was also a unique man.

I will leave you to study hard first, this copy and paste would not help you.

Yeah, I purposely posted excerpts of my response from another similar thread on the historicity of Christ. I did not see any reason for me to start giving you any fresh write up on a topic I have exhaustively argued and discused here on BLast with way more smarter and mature Christian commentators

The problem I have with you is the fact that you just randomly make references to people and things you are yet to really study just so you can come across as knowledgeable. You mentioned Tacitus the Roman politician and historian but fail to explain that his references to Christianity have been found to be pure interpolations and forgeries squeezed into the man's work by early church fathers who at the time controlled litrary works of authors and had sole custody of these books..... I challenge you to explain the references in the interpolated portion of the man's work let's start from there if truly you are knowledgeable enough about history and the historicity of Christ.

It must be noted that the centuries surrounding the beginning of the Christian era, the periods of Tiberias and Augustus, were, in fact, some of the best-documented in history, this fact is admitted even by Christian apologists.

For example, the Roman historian under Augustus, Livy (59 BCE-17 CE), alone composed 142 volumes, over a hundred of which were subsequently destroyed by the Christian conspirators trying to cover their tracks.

Despite this fact, however, there are basically no
non-biblical references to a historical Jesus by any known historian of the time during and after Jesus’s purported advent.

Is not strange that no literate person of his own
time mentioned him in any known writing.
Eminent Hellenistic Jewish historian and
philosopher Philo (20 BCE-50 CE), who wad alive at the purported time of Jesus, was silent on the subject of the great Jewish miracle maker and
rabblerouser who brought down the wrath of
Rome and Judea.

Nor are Jesus and his followers mentioned by any of the some 40 other historians
who wrote during the first and second centuries
of the Common Era, including Plutarch, the
Roman biographer, who lived at the same time
(46-120 CE) and in the same place where the
Christians were purportedly swarming yet made
no mention of them, their founder or their religion.

Yet in this mass of Jewish and Pagan literature,
aside from two forged passages in the works of a
Jewish author, and two disputed passages in the
works of Roman writers, there is to be found no
mention of Jesus Christ.

Unless you choose to be daft by choice, common sense will tell you that it is either the man Jesus with all his noise making miracles and antics was a fairytale concocted by the early church fathers from the pre-existing litany of pagan worship and dogma or he just never existed at no time, why will there be such difficulties when it comes to the person of Jesus giving the length and breadth of his exploits when lesser mortals of thesame time have both archeological evidence, writings and paintings.

haibe: So History division into BC and AD is new to you? Why not reject it and make a change since the birth of Christ is mythical. .

An atheist is one of those who confirmed the shroud of turin to be an archaeological evidence of the existence of Christ.

James campbell, an atheist proved the birth of Christ was not dec 25 but months before implying Christ actually lived.

While trying to be skeptical, learn to apply at least an atom of intelligence.

hahaha.....are you trying to be smart or your ability to comprehend simple logic is flawed.... you were trying to justify the birth of your Christ through the dating system of BC and AD and I queried your logic by asking you to tell me how logical it is for you to use a Christian invention to support the birth of Christ....outside of the biblical fairy tale, there is no known historical document that points to or talked about Christ and his work yet there are thousands of books written about prominent people that existed at the time, unless it is a coincidence that he Christ was particularly singled out not to be properly documented by the known historians of the time then how do you explain his existence. Jesus is a mixed of different mythological characters put together, there is a reason why no one can point to how he looks, his birth or even his so-called disciples.....all we have are pseudo documents from unknown authors named after his disciples....and you think people should not ask questions?

haibe: So the person's birth which divided history into BC and AD is a myth?? This world must be mythical then. Even the famous atheists do not question the birth of Christ.

hahaha...how old is the kid who invented the BC and the AD dating system, Christians or Muslims?..lol
which famous atheist do not question the birth of Christ, Oyedepo or Adeboye! what a joke.

here goes the inerrant word of God outdoing itself with inconsistencies and rubbish imcomprehensible fables...lol

1. MOSES' SWIFT PERSONALITY
NUM 12:3
"Now the man Moses was very meek, above all
the men which were upon the fact of the
earth."
NUM 31:14, 17 &18
"And Moses was wroth...And Moses said unto
them, "Have ye saved all the women alive? ...
Now therefore kill every male among the little
ones, and kill every woman, ... But all the
women children ... keep alive for yourselves."
lol. . Wow, the meekest Man on earth gave
these orders
2. JESUS' FIRST SERMON WAS IT ON THE
PLAIN OR MOUNTAIN?
MAT 5:1,2
"And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a
mountain: and when he was set, his disciples
came unto him: And he opened his mouth, and
taught them, saying...."
LUK 6:17,20
"And he came down with them, and stood in
the plain, and the company of his disciples, and
a great multitude of people...came to hear
him.. And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples
and said..."
3. JESUS' LAST WORDS ON THE CROSS
MAT 27:46,50
"And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a
loud voice, saying, "Eli, eli, lama sabachthani?"
that is to say, "My God, my God, why hast thou
forsaken me?" ...Jesus, when he cried again
with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost."
LUK 23:46
"And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice,
he said, "Father, unto thy hands I commend my
spirit:" and having said thus, he gave up the
ghost."
JOHN 19:30: "When Jesus therefore had
received the vinegar, he said, "It is finished:"
and he bowed his head, and gave up the
ghost."
4. HOW MANY TIMES DID THE rooster CROW?
MARK14:72
And the second time the rooster crew. And
Peter called to mind the word that Jesus said
unto him, Before the rooster crow twice, thou
shalt deny me thrice. And when he thought
thereon, he wept.
MAT 26:74
Then began he to curse and to swear, saying, I
know not the man. And immediately the rooster
crew.
MAT 26:75
And Peter remembered the word of Jesus,
which said unto him, Before the rooster crow,
thou shalt deny me thrice. And he went out,
and wept bitterly.
LUK 22:60
And Peter said, Man, I know not what thou
sayest. And immediately, while he yet spake,
the rooster crew.
LUK 22:61
And the Lord turned, and looked upon Peter.
And Peter remembered the word of the Lord,
how he had said unto him, Before the rooster
crow, thou shalt deny me thrice.
JOH 13:38
Jesus answered him, Wilt thou lay down thy life
for my sake? Verily, verily, I say unto thee, The
rooster shall not crow, still thou hast denied me
thrice.
JOH 18:27
Peter then denied again: and immediately the
rooster crew
5. WHOM DIDI THEY SEE AT THE TOMB?
MAT 28:2
And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for
the angel of the Lord descended from heaven,
and came and rolled back the stone from the
door, and sat upon it.
MAT 28:3
His countenance was like lightning, and his
raiment white as snow: MAT 28:4 And for fear
of him the keepers did shake, and became as
dead men.
MAT 28:5
And the angel answered and said unto the
women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek
Jesus, which was crucified.
MAR 16:5
And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a
young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a
long white garment; and they were affrighted.
LUK 24:4
And it came to pass, as they were much
perplexed thereabout, behold, two men stood by
them in shining garments
JOH 20:12
And seeth two angels in white sitting, the one
at the head, and the other at the feet, where
the body of Jesus had lain. God change?
6. YEARS OF FAMINE
II SAMUEL 24:13:
So God came to David, and told him, and said
unto him, shall SEVEN YEARS OF FAMINE come
unto thee in thy land? or will thou flee three
months before thine enemies, while they
pursue. thee?
I CHRONICLES 21:11
SO God came to David, and said unto him,
Thus saith the LORD, Choose thee. Either
THREE YEARS OF FAMINE or three months to
be destroyed before thy foes, while that the
sword of thine enemies overtaketh thee; Moved
David to anger?
II SAMUEL 24
And again the anger of the LORD was kindled
against Israel, and he moved David against
them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah.
I CHRONICLES 21
And SATAN stood up against Israel, and
provoked David to number Israel.
7. DID THOSE WITH SAUL/PAUL HEAR A VOICE
AT HIS CONVERSION?
ACT 9:7
And the men which journeyed with him stood
speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.
ACT 22:9
And they that were with me saw indeed the
light, and were afraid; but they heard not
the voice of him that spake to me.
8. HOW EXACTLY DID JUDAS DIE?
MAT 27:5
"And he cast down the pieces of silver into the
temple and departed, and went out and hanged
himself."
ACT 1:18
"And falling headlong, he burst asunder in the
midst, and all of his bowels gushed out."
9. ASCENDING TO HEAVEN
2KI 2:11
"And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into
heaven."
JOH 3:13
"No man hath ascended up to heaven but he
that came down from heaven, ...
10. WHO MOVED DAVID AGAINST ISREAL?
II SAMUEL 24
And again the anger of the LORD was kindled
against Israel, and he moved David against
them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah.
I CHRONICLES 21
And SATAN stood up against Israel, and
provoked David to number Israel.
11. THE SINS OF THE FATHER
ISA 14:21
Prepare slaughter for his children for the
iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise,
nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the
world with cities.
DEU 24:16
The fathers shall not be put to death for the
children, neither shall the children be put to
death for the fathers: every man shall be put to
death for his own sin.

martha: I'm a polite person. I'll tell you excuse me and shut the f*ck up in the same sentence.

tell that to Jesus, I am sure that will get you Richie heaven.

iamSi: Sorry Mr. Rhymz , Please don't send me to the surgeon yet ... I just wanna know your religion and how far you have traveled globally... Please I beg of you, don't send me to the hospital.. I just wanna be a friend

what exactly is your point, Mr

martha: U are a fool with pride

Hashanah....typical of Christ like goons to get militant when logic fails them or facts expose their ignorance.....I challenge you to come up with documented evidence of Jesus's existence, if you can't then go to hell, you're just another Christian goon with q bamboozled mental capacity.....you probably have been told that you will go to hell if you dare question the biblical fables that is rife with lies and inconsistencies. can you tell us what Jesus looked like? abeg go siddon for gutter you nincompoop

andico34: yes you are correct. JESUS was born in the early fall. infact the 17th day of the month of TISHRI the 7th month in the midst of the FEAST OF THE TABERNACLES. This corresponds to our sept to early oct. Is it in the BIBLE? YES

By the way, how come it is so hard to tell the exact date when Jesus was born, yet they claim he started teaching in the temple at the age of 12 and died at 32. How can you put
a figure to a man's age when you can't exactly
tell when he was born? Na wa o!

martha: Father forgive this guy for he doesnt know what he is saying

You are the one that needs some brain surgery if you think Jesus Christ realy was a person that actually existed at some point. Even Paul the almighty Christian Forger did not know who really Jesus was instead he gave his own Gnostic version of a christ different from the one in the gospels..... Paul was not aware of Jesus's miracles or sayings yet he was preaching about q christ that was a contemporary....open your eyes and see all the inconsistencies of the bible.

Now that APC is no longer having the underdog tag, game is going to ne very different especially now that there are disgruntled elements from the PDP with their political baggage, all that sentiments they started with have already started wearing off, Nigerians are beginning to see their true colour, it is not about Common folks but individual party men's interests .... APC will surely lose ground in SW if they do their homework well...I foresee PDP doing what they did to APC in Anambra in the worst case scenario.

martha: 7–2 BC

bullshyt..... First question to ask is did he really exist or was he just one of the those mythological characters created by roman-greeko fairy tale. how come it was so easy to have his words written down by Hod knows who but thesame aliens can mot tell exactly when the dude was born exactly....stoopid tales. The bible is one big fraud.

It is q pity that majority of the people commenting are doing so based on the propaganda that has continually been fed to them by APC and the SW media, the plan to increase tariff on auto importation is very necessary one if we hope to grow our auto industry, the ediot condemning the move at the house of reps has obviously been lobbied with cash gifts and free auto by thesame foreign automakers that have refused to set up their plants but instead choose to conveniently import them from nearby south Africa and their home countries.

How can anyone be saying we are yet to build our local capacity when we have the likes of innoson doing it against all odds, I have personally ridden in his bus in Enugu, some of them are part of the Young shall grow fleet of buses that ply the east-west roads everyday.
If innoson can do it even with all the endless challenges and still be in business, I don't see why the likes of KIA, Honda, Toyota and co can not set up their plants here and compete.

There are already moribund auto companies in this country that can be revived by virtue of this policy, investment can go into them and resuscitate them back, these same companies once built vehicles driven by the high and mighty in this country, why will an intelligent law maker choser for the country to continue to import cars even when there are obvious indications that serious investment and partnership are beginning to ho into that sector.

What about the technological transfer that such will bring to young Nigerians in auto engineering field especially, all these idiots see are the short term benefits. Do you know that more than 70% of the profit from this foreign auto dealers goes back to their home countries, how much do they realy pay Nigerians working there compared to their counterparts there.
Besides, outside of importers how many people are gainfully employed by the auto sector of this country compared to other sector, a handful, the rest is in the informal aspect of the sector.

It is high time Nigerians use their brains and stop letting the goons in APC fill their head with noise making propaganda, there are way more benefits for us if we developed our own auto sector now than wait forever.

APC is one big political fraud and pretender .

hooged: The Bible’s answer

The Bible does not give a specific date for the birth of Jesus Christ, as these reference works show:

“"The true birth date of Christ is unknown."”—New Catholic Encyclopedia.

“"The exact date of Christ’s birth is not known."”—Encyclopedia of Early Christianity.

While the Bible does not directly answer the question, ‘When was Jesus born?’ it does describe two events surrounding his birth that lead many to conclude that he was not born on December 25.
Not in winter

The registration. Shortly before Jesus was born, Caesar Augustus issued a decree ordering “"all the inhabited earth to be registered."” Everyone had to register in “"his own city,"” which might have required a journey of a week or more. (Luke 2:1-3) That order—probably made to support taxation and military conscription—would have been unpopular at any time of year, but it is unlikely that Augustus would have provoked his subjects further by forcing many of them to make long trips during the cold winter.

The sheep. Shepherds were “"living out of doors and keeping watches in the night over their flocks."” (Luke 2: The book Daily Life in the Time of Jesus notes that flocks lived in the open air from “"the week before the Passover [late March]"” through mid-November. It then adds: “"They passed the winter under cover; and from this alone it may be seen that the traditional date for Christmas, in the winter, is unlikely to be right, since the Gospel says that the shepherds were in the fields."”

In early fall

We can estimate when Jesus was born by counting backward from his death on Passover, Nisan 14 in the spring of the year 33 C.E. (John 19:14-16) Jesus was about 30 years old when he began his three-and-a-half-year ministry, so he was born in the early fall of 2 B.C.E.—Luke 3:23.
Why is Christmas on December 25?

Since there is no evidence that the birth of Jesus Christ occurred on December 25, why is Christmas celebrated on this date? The Encyclopaedia Britannica says that church leaders probably chose it “"to coincide with the pagan Roman festival marking the ‘birthday of the unconquered sun,"’” at the time of the winter solstice. According to The Encyclopedia Americana, many scholars believe that this was done “"in order to make Christianity more meaningful to pagan converts."”

the question is was he ever born or just another myth?

bregeard: who d hell is criss angel,nd if dis so caled criss did den it must be some kinda voodoo...wah kinda power wuld make u walk on water

the type the mythological Jesus had.....roman-greeko fairy tales.

Ceorhemz: That is not what I am looking for in a lady. That wont stop a lady from infidelity, or make her stand with me in tensed periord. You didnt even mention the key issues like the fear of God, the love of God, sound character, moral uprightness, sound intellect, good body, education and literacy level, house keeping and management etc. Those you mention can only sustain the courtship and the first few months of the marriage.

what exactly is the fear of God and love of God?
I particularly can't stand churchy ladies, they are so annoying with their self cultivated piety screams of restrictions and boredom.

kambo: Hahaha. He'll learn his lesson in heaven.
At least he died for wat He believed in. "Dont know if it was temptg God".
Come to think of it if Jesus did it why can't his followers too?
After all Jesus said greater works will his followers do.

Yeah right, Chris Angel did it too, so what?

kambo: Actually, there's no where in d bible tht said a miracle needed to b born out of necessity.
When elijah was commanded by some soldiers he called fire down on them. Wen he said it will not rain there was no reason to lock up d heavens for months.
Elisha did likewise.
But this fella if he was so intoxicated shud hav first tested his faith on less threateng circumstances and won b4 launchg out on open sea in full glare.
Its like som1 blvg God to heal them of life threateng disease when he has never blved God to heal him of headache. Or tryg to blv 4 N1m when uve never believed for N10k. Wen d rubber hits d road they'll see tht d whole faith thing is not what they thought. Not as easy peasy as the preacher book author made it seem.

I see a lot of stoopid people everyday this one seems to be one of them.....abeg pack your Elijah tales go roast bole..

That is what happens when people fill their head with biblical tales by moonlight stories, Jesus feeding a thousand people with few loafs and fishes and everyone clapped and believed such a foolish tale....white people sha don turn us to mumu...