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truthislight: You think that your gift of speech and writhing should be used in twisting what has been written in God's word the bible abi?
yes, like our inheriting sin from Adam is also a "jewish tradition"
lol.
You can keep deceiving your self for all i care.
Let him that has an ear hears what what is writing in the bible as a principle for us.
yes, Adamic sin "does not hold water" for you and the ransom of Jesus christ is lost on you since it is still on that priciple that the ransom came.
A new born makes a woman unclean for an inherited sin into the world you say it does not hold because of a birth day celebration.
Smh.
you did not ask me to explained the other one that you had said it does not hold why ask me to explain this one then?
Will you not still through away my explanation?
You are on your own.
to you every thing about the laws of Yahweh to the Jews is mere edition and does not concern you.
Adam's sin was also a Jewish tradition then.
since that relate to the inherited sin of Adam i belief the value of Jesus ransom sacrifice is constantly being applied to her for cleansing one for all times

my friend, Rich4god. You lied on Yahweh's priciple of sin offering for the new born, let me explain why you lied.
there was an annual sin offering done by the high priest on behalf of the whole nation of Israel yearly.
The new Born usual was not a beneficiary to this yearly sin offering since the child was not born yet into the world.
so, when the new born comes into the world it was necessary to do a child specific sin offering for the new born children to keep the nation clean from the inherited Adamic sin that the new born came with into the world so that Yahweh can still keep relating to the whole nation without considering the Adamic sin for that year.
By the next year, the new born will benefit from the general sin offering from the whole nation of Israel...
Stop lying and twisting so that i will not call you "rich4satan"
peace

Did you see why i said that you are been selective in your judgement. You tend to believe what suits you and do away with what you feel is not in line with your believe. Now take a look at the bolded. You believe that Jesus ransom sacrifice is being applied to present day women. But why is it that we still have to go through baptism to cleanse us from Adamic sin, why didnt Jesus sacrifice apply to everyone once and for all.

truthislight: keep on celebrating your sinful state in birthday celebrtion like the pegan satan worshpers then and wait for Yahweh's blessing.
Peace

I celebrate my birthday to thank God for keeping me alive just like i celebrated my success in school after passing out from the university. And mind you, am not doing it because pagans did it.

the principle of Yahweh shows that the birth of a child into this sinful world makes one unclean, this realisation has been the guiding principle for servant of Yahweh, while servant of satan celebrate it.

Yea... yea... yea... Now i can see that satan gave angels the command to rejoice when Christ was born. Do you mind telling me why angels didnt curse the day christ was born.

truthlyt: My friend, Yahweh's principles are lost on you guys and it is a disgrace that you call yourselves "christians"

Which of the principle are you talking about? Is it the principle that your founder set, or God's principle.
I was born a christian, i am christian, and will alway a proud christian and not even you can change it. If you like, call me a disgrace i dont care, the early christians were called more names than this.

satan has made mess of this world and has been an insult to Yahweh and Yahweh's plans.

Tell that to those who gave their life to satan... As for me, its only God that i worship/serve.

do you see why the exit from satan's world is a relief? Yes, waiting on Yahweh's new world?

Then why not die now so that you will have that relief.

That satan used a pope that is completely out of tune with Yahweh's principle you think it is right to closed your eyes to the facts abi?

Except if you are the pope that the satan used. How did you know that a pope was used by the satan? and what makes you feel that satan didnt use your own people.
What baffles me is that you guys speak with so much confident about what satan/pagan/demons did as if you were there when satan was doing it. Or are you the satan in question.

But you are busy celebrating satan and his Demons lies like his worshpers do.

Plz stop accusing somebody of what (s)he didnt do. Have you ever seen her/him celebrating satan?

Why do you think that a woman in israel on giving birth is unclean?

Why was there a need for a sin offering for the new born?

Common. That is the jewish tradition so it doesnt hold water in this arguement. Or do you care to explain why women become unclean after having her periods or why a man becomes unclean when he sleeps with a woman that is having her periods. It more about the jewish tradition. Except if you still want to tell me that "your women" becomes unclean after child birth.

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ijawkid: Zikky what is this??..........

If there are aCcounts of servants of God that celebrated there birthdays can you quietly show plapville rather than make comments like the above??.............

Several biblical reasons has been given why no Servant of God starting from abel to the apostles observed there own birthdays let alone the birthdays of others(work of an aproko)....lol......instead of you to seriously ponder upon such salient truth you dey write that thing you write............

Plapville has been correct and will always be..........

Plz, give me the reasons, Maybe am missing something.
Common, stop interpreting the bible just to suit your belief. The birthday account recorded in the bible were in no way cited as a reason for a believer not to celebrate his birthday.

jackname: Do you know that Gods servants did the opposite? they didn't bless the day of thier birth but cursed it. This shows that you have not been following up.

If you are to follow thier example, then you should do like them, that the point we are pointing out.

Really... Are you trying to say that the were not happy that God brought them into this world or what...plz explain.

ijawkid: (Genesis 41:41-42) records Joseph’s acceptanc of a ring given him by Pharoah.

LOL... Is this not the same pharoah who's birthday you guys cited as an example of pagan practice cos he is a pagan. Now what has a servant of God (Joseph)have in common with a pagan and why will he accept a gift from pagans knowing fully well that the gift was made by pagans. I thought servants of God are suppose to keep away from anything that has to do with paganism.

ijawkid: How would you know??...when you failed to read history.......................

Plz tell me cos from my(the) eyes of christianity i didnt see anything pagan in what i did on my birthday.

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alexleo: I said that birthday celebration is a pegan practice meant to worship the spirit incharge of the day of ones birth and it involves self worship based on the notion that humans are gods.

Plz give me a break and think maturedly. On my birthday... I wake up in the morning, given God thanks and praise for having preserve for the past one year, knowing fully well that some of my mate might have died along the year. At the evening time, i organize a mini reception for my friends to join me in thanking God for what he has done for me. Now, point out what is pagan about me celebration or where did i raise/celebrate myself to the status of a god.

TroGunn: So, are you saying it's ok to pick a Sango worship festival, give it a Christian name while retaining the practices used by the Sango worshipers, right? And this, even though God expressly forbade His worshipers from copying pagan religious practices?

Which of the pagan practice did xmas retain.

Something that i want you guys to understand is that if pagans did/used something before, that does not make it a pagan practice when a christian uses it. Get that into your head.

truthislight: no body makes use of pegan months for worship, or do you?

Chrismas is use for worship and that is the issue here.
The tree
the fruits
the santa
the exchange of gift giving on a particular date

And who tells you that Santa, xmas tree and co are used for worship. They are there just for the sake and of fun and decoration. Plz try to reason things out before you comment.

TroGunn: Exodus 15 tells of Moses and the Israelites singing and exalting God.

God expressly commands his worshippers to sing - Isaiah 12:5 "Sing to Yahweh, for He has done glorious things. Let this be known throughout the earth".

You seem to be really struggling for a good justification for the obviously pagan-rooted Christmas, which was actually banned in England and Massachusetts in the past by the then rulers who believed "it was an insult to God to honor a day associated with ancient paganism".

@Bolded, the angels of God rejoiced when Christ was born. Am sure they didnt act on their own.
@Red text, even apostle Paul persecuted the early christians thinking it was a false religion. So your logic of christmas been banned in England did not hold any water. Least i forget, go to England now and see if christmas is not being celebrated.

Before the advent of christianity, pagans do sing hyms and songs of worship to gods in their temple. So you all will have to do away with singing of songs/hyms to God Almighty as it has pagan origin. Plapville and co, am sure you sing in your church/place of worship. So plz, stop been selective in your judgement.

Go and make your research... Any time you say amen at the end of your prayer, you are actually calling on the name of an Egyptian god. I guess you are now worshipping amen the Egyptian god any time you are praying, and no longer God Almighty. Stop being selective in your jugdement.

plappville: Didn't you see your Christmas folk that created a threats that it should be called Christmas and not Xmas because the X is à DEMONIC TAG?

So was it the bible that tagged letter X As demonic You guys are so fun loving chop chop like Zikkyy

So it is no longer the celebration but the name is what you are after.

@plapville and co... Keep on shouting that christmas is pagan practice whilst we that celebrate it know fully well that our action and activities are channeled toward God almighty. Before tha coming of christianity, pagans have temples where they worship. Do you now say that our church building are copy cat to pagan temples. I far as i know, you have no juridiction criticize anyone cos even you are still guilty of pagan practice. Why do you still use/wear wedding ring knowing fully well that pagans stated it. Thats why i keep saying that you are being myopic in your jugdment.

ijawkid: if after all the scriptures opened you're still asking me to show you a scripture that says"" thou shall not celebrate xmas"" then you(rich 4 God) needs serious help................

I think its you who need serious help... Cos all what you guys have been saying is that if its not in the bible, then its bash... I still havent seen and you have not provided where it is written that xmas celebration is pagan worship.

ijawkid: What do we use the pagan names for??.....do we call our kids by those names or what??...............or do we observe festivals that are directed towards Janus for example??.................

Good point you raised there. Have you seen any christian worshipping the sun god or xmas day or is any christian directing his activities on xmas day towards the sun god. Keep on contradicting yourself. And mind you, you have not shown me where it is written in the bible that xmas celebration is pagan worship, cos all you have been saying since is that the apostle didnt celebrate it.

ijawkid: Smh!!!!!.............I'm not the one terming it wrong....xmas itself is telling you ""I am wrong"".................""Christ wasn't born on xmas day"".............you are the one that should be opening the scriptures to support christmas not me..............

That christ wasnt born on xmas day doesnt mean that it is wrong or it is a pagan practice to celebrate it any date you feel suitable for you. I still want you to show me where it is written in the bible that celebration of xmas is wrong.

ijawkid: Date,custom etc ....everything is wrong.........rich4god its wrong....all wrong.......I was only just emphasizing that the date(dec 25th) was the beginning of the scam called xmas................the truth is even if today you are told Christ was really born in OCTober(ofcus he wasn't born dec 25th),you guys would never switch....xmas has been seriously programmed to tally with the pagan observance it was taken from..............you can all continue to wallow in this pagan heathen celebration called xmas......when you are satisfied with it you might come to your senses.........

You are the person terming it wrong and calling it a scam because never in the bible were it written that xmas celebration is wrong neither did the bible tell me that its a pagan pratice to celebrate xmas.

ijawkid: So are you still arguing that dec 25th is false and that it was exactly the date snatched from pagans that was used for the worship of there sun god??.....are still trying to lie that Jesus's birth day was dec 25th..........you see why I said you are misconstruing truthislights words??.........the question is why are you celebrating the birthday of Christ on dec 25th??.......I should have stopped this argument since the moment you guys agreed Jesus wasn't born on dec 25th.....I had just been wasting my time........

Hmmm... So your problem now is no longer the celebration, but the date in which it is celebrated. Now if Christmas is to be celebrated on 10th of Oct, will it cease to be a pagan practice in your eyes?

ijawkid: You asked when was the passover date answer was given....you asked why it should be commemorated answer was also given from the scriptures.........


You guys have NO answers biblically why you celebrate xmas..........

Nothing.........

I keep on telling you, that i am rejoicing just as the angels did when christ was born. So what else do you want to hear from me.

ijawkid: Tell me you don't know......

How will he know, whilst you are the ones shouting with every confidence that we are worshipping idol. So i guess you should know which of the idol that we are worshipping.

ijawkid: And your aim here has not been to knw the truth about xmas,but to perpetually engage in self gratification and paganism all in the name of Jesus...............

The bible you hold made use of Jewish dates and that is how we knw the month and date of the passover and still allign it till this moment..you guys have no reason and no back up for xmas celebration.....and don't you guys misconstrue truthislights words.........

Who is misquoting truthlight... That was what he said. Now i see that you have not been following this thread. Plz go back and read up then come and show me where i misquoted him.