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ijawkid: The reasons why xmas is pagan has been discussed here over and over...have you not been paying attention??.......

Truthis light Only gave the reasons for birthday celebrations and why no servant of God engaged in it..............when did truthislight dabble into the months making up the calender??.......don't misconstrue his words just to run away from truths...........truthislife gave a brief reason why pagans celebrated there birthdays and why they were the only ones who did it..........

From what you guys have been saying, i still havent seen any reason why xmas is pagan. And mind you, the truthslyt is basing his reason on the fact that dec 25th is used for sun god worship and so celebrating christmas that day is pagan worship. (did you now see how he relatted sun god worship ro xmas.)... Now, in the same way using truthlyt logic, am telling you that the day in which you celebrate Nisan 14 is equally attributed to a spirit/idol (according to truthlyt) so in the same way, you are equallly worship that spirit on that particular day.

Zikkyy: The aim is not to justify, but to show your hypocrisy.



the use of pagan names for dating is a pagan observance, and it has crept into Christianity because Christians accepted and use it. So it is relevant. If you don't want christmas, you must also invent your own calender or rely on the Jewish calender for your dating cos everyday in the current calender is pagan and according to brother truthislight each day has a demonic spirit attached to it. You just have to do away with the current calender.

Dont mind them... Just showing their hypocricy to every one. You can not accept what suits you and do away with what you dont want, and still come to attack others who accepted it as their own believe.

plendil: well it been nice chatting with you guys. What I would expected is appeal for Christians to shun the inordinate merrymaking that accompanies Christmas, and lean towards spiritual revival and appreciation for what Christ has done by reaching out to others physically, materially and spirituality. This should not necessarily mean jettisoning the celebration altogether.

But to insist that any observance of the day is inherently evil, and being unable to come up with explicit Biblical references that condemn such, other than the 'pagan festival origin' cliche, is untenable.

Thank you my brother... This is what the fail to understand.

ijawkid: You don't feel what you like when it comes to things pertaining to the Lord.....you act as you were told and how the apostles acted........

Why should I commemorate the death of Christ once in a life time??....was that the instruction given??.......uh??.

Christ said do this in memory of me... He didnt say you should do it yearly/monthly/weekly. So how did you come to the yearly conclusion.
Christ never told his apostles to find someone who will replace Judas by casting losts. Will you now accuse the apostles of doing what they feel like.

ijawkid: Lol........the NISAN 14 is what matters most...we have a foudation we are working with...while you have nothing but a bunch of pagans dictating what you should do and how you should do it...........telling me to discard the use of the modern calendar that should help me arrive at the month and day that alligns with NISAN 14 is a lame argument..........if not for NISAN 14 and the Jewish calender the new calendars we have would not have evolved...........

I have NISAN 14 from the scriptures to work with,while you have nothing......

@Bolded, plz tell me what and what did the pagans dictate for me.
@Red text, for you to have make use of an idol calendar, makes you an idol worshipper. So said your brother truthlyt.

ijawkid: You should have rejoiced more than 2000 years ago with the angels...(That's if you were born then..).....commemoration of his birth is the scam we are talking about.......its a scam and its pagan......

Because i wasnt born then, i feel like this is the time for me to do it. And moreover, why not commemorate the death of Christ just one in your life time.

ijawkid: What chukwuddi put up there in no way justifies why the birth of Jesus should be commemorated, and then rubbed with paganism.............

The pagan acts carried about the celebrants of each of the birthday of those gods starting from Janus(january) are acts a right thinking christian would never engage in.........
I don't commemorate the births of the gods which the names of the months were coined from......

You can direct your question to those who engage in such acts....

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If you guys were on track you would have noticed this discussion isn't about names of months or a calender system,.....this thread is about how pagan festivities or observances has crept into christianity............and it has been proved that xmas has nothing to do with Christ.......

Do you mind listing the pagan acts, and show me proof of how a christian who is celebrating his birthday invovle in such act.

ijawkid: You are not making any sense..........xmas has been exposed for the LIE it is... live with it......

If Nisan 14. And the commemoration of Christ death is wrong from the scriptures start debunking them rather than engage in childs play....I've given you the one good reason why I observe the memorial of Christ death and with scriptures....................xmas is pagan........

Again, let me use truthislyt logic to answer you.... This current calendar system was invented in the 16th century, and according to truthislyt all the day of this calendar has a spirit/idol attached to it. So in other for you to celebrate the passover (Nisan 14) according to the bible, then you have to go back to a time when Nisa 14 will not fall into any of the date/day in the current calendar system. Else you are only worshipping/celebrating the spirit of the day...
Note... Am only using what truthzlyt thought me. So attack him on this issue or better still, live with it. PEACE.

ijawkid: You are not making any sense..........xmas has been exposed for the LIE it is... live with it......

If Nisan 14. And the commemoration of Christ death is wrong from the scriptures start debunking them rather than engage in childs play....I've given you the one good reason why I observe the memorial of Christ death and with scriptures....................xmas is pagan........

I have given you my own reason that i am rejoicing just like the angels did when Christ was born, but you still dont want to believe. So live with it.

ijawkid: Is Nisan 14 a pagan date /day??...please enlighten me......please!!!.......we are not in the same boat my bro.........

(Let me apply the logic of truthslight to answer you) No matter what you call it, it still fall within the dates of our worldly carlendar (except if you are not from this planet) and each date has its own spirit/idol according to truthislty. So what you guys are celebrating is the spirit of that particular day in which your Nisan 14 falls in.

ijawkid: The knockouts were bought for xmas.....and the celebrants of xmas make use of it all in the name of Jesus....na lie I talk??.......I've given you a first hand reason why persons engaged in vile acts.....CHRISTMAS.....its got the spirit of the word written all over it......

Christs birth wasn't a sin even though it led to the death of some kids which herod(a fellow birthday celebrant like you) master minded.......but engaging in a life of debauchery and wallowing in pagan festivals in the name of Jesus is a sin...........

Desist from it and tell your children the truth......

I guess blowing knock out is pagan worship.
But why did you term one incident as bad and the other as good whilst both incident result to loss of human life. I understand what you are trying to say, but its illogical and out of point trying to use the incident to discredit the celebration. It could have happened any other day and moreover knockout is not just a christmas thing, it is equally used during new. So plz spare me that talk.

ijawkid: The last supper is scriptural but EASTER is pagan....did I just unveil paganism??........

EASTER is the name of a pagan goddess.....it has nothing to do with Jesus' death.......you guys have paganism all around you and you still can't see it.........like I had earlier said,when easter comes we would break bread on it....for now its all about xmas and its falsehood.....

Good, but the last supper is celebrated on a pagan day, which equally makes it a pagan worship. So we are all in the boat.

ijawkid: Which christians??.you mean the pope.........did you exclude the apostles??..............the angels were happy for our sakes........because we are the ones to benefit from Christ ransom sacrifice.........the angels knew Jesus before his descending to the earth,so what have they to do literally with Jesus' birth.....they were only rejoicing because Gods plan for humans had started materializing...........again I'll tell you the angels never commemorated Christ birth........

Good, which ever way you want it. We are equally happy and rejoicing that God's plan to redeem us (a common sinner) actually materialize.

ijawkid: It would have been nice if asked this question when easter comes up........the thread is about xmas....let's finish with it..

You really wanna know that the holy spirit is not in charge of xmas??....

I hope you heard what happened in LAGOs where your fellow celebrants threw explosives(a.k.a BANGER or KNOCK out) which resulted in a fire disaster.....tell me what kind of spirit is behind such rubbish.....??.......kids whom you guys should have told that xmas is a fraud are in the name of Jesus throwing knock outs.......if you want we could go into the amount of xmas celebrants who engaged in sexual immorality both on xmas eve and the xmas day.......my bro if you can't see that the spirit of the world is in control of xmas then I can't help you...besides this I'll soon end this discussion with you........

If you want to relate that incident to xmas, then you are wrong because that incident could have happened any other day. Moreover boko haram have been attacking christians and they still attacked on xmas day, that does not make xmas a bad celebration. And least you forget, so many innocent kids died at the hand of Herod as a result of christ birth. Does that incident in any way make Christ coming a bad thing. Plz be logical enough and stop been selective in your judgement.

ijawkid: It would have been nice if asked this question when easter comes up........the thread is about xmas....let's finish with it..

You really wanna know that the holy spirit is not in charge of xmas??....

I hope you heard what happened in LAGOs where your fellow celebrants threw explosives(a.k.a BANGER or KNOCK out) which resulted in a fire disaster.....tell me what kind of spirit is behind such rubbish.....??.......kids whom you guys should have told that xmas is a fraud are in the name of Jesus throwing knock outs.......if you want we could go into the amount of xmas celebrants who engaged in sexual immorality both on xmas eve and the xmas day.......my bro if you can't see that the spirit of the world is in control of xmas then I can't help you...besides this I'll soon end this discussion with you........

As usual, keep on dodging.

truthislight: yes satan was lying but his followers believes that what he said is true.
So, copying pegan that worship satan and his Demons means you accept what they belief and what they stand for.

If you dont shear that belief with them, then you should break completely free from them and "touch nothing unclean" from them in worship as not to be made unclean by them the bible says.

You should thank God for bringing Jesus into the world every day and not on a pegan day/date.

Carefully read what you wrote above and see if you are not contradicting yourself. The bible said that the devil is a liar and here you are believing what he said to eve. I did not copy any celebration from pagans neither did i celebrate anything because the devil said so. As a christian, I celebrate my birthday to thank God for bringing me into this world and for keeping me safe and sound till date, and i celebrate xmas to rejoice that our saviour came to redeem us. At the bolded, remember that the Isrealites too celebrate the passover feast once a year, your should equally ask them why didnt they celebrate the feast everday or why celebrate at all.

ijawkid: I'm after everything about xmas.......who are the WE that chose to commemorate christ birthday(though unknown) and then choose dec 25th??....who??......

And once again the angels did not celebrate the birthday of Christ............why are you trying to drag the holy angels into paganism........why??...........

We as Christians... if you like remove yourself from the we. Plz spare me that, what were the angels rejoincing over when christ was born.

ijawkid: You wan know??....you no know??.....if you wish to talk about the day Christ instituted the last supper,wait until when the easter feast comes......a thread definitly would be created to fix that......be patient my bro....another pagan festival would come up by march/april(EASTER) ...when it comes we would battle it out....for now xmas is what is under consideration.....................

Just contradicting yourself again. You said you are onle celebrating the death of Christ, and now you are tagging it a pagan celebration. So where do you belong.

truthislight: you lie!

Chrismas is celebrating the birthday of christ.

Now take a look at what you just wrote. Does that make sense to you. What were the angel rejoicing over? Is it not the birth of Christ.

ijawkid: Lol.....we commemorate the last supper(sacrificial death) of Christ on the date he instituted it.......again Jesus gave the command....how you want to relate this to your pagan xmas that is a fraud and a lie would make me never reply you again on this topic.....................the only spirit that is in charge of the commemoration of Christ death is the holy spirit.......as for your christmas you know it is the spirit of the world that's in charge.......

@the bolded... Plz help me with the date. And equally help me with proof that the Holy spirit is not in charge of christmas.

truthislight: Good that you are not a religious freaky but you love the freakish Chrismas.

You ant really interested if Yahweh approves of it on he does not. I see.

Well, some of us do care if Yahweh love something or he does not.

Some of us do love Yahweh and as such we care about his feelings and commandment.
Please your self then.

But leave christ out of it please.

What i mean by not being a religious freak is that i dont make arguement on religious issue and i respect everybody believe no matter your faith. But coming out to condemn one particular issue with a baseless fact is illogical and false. As long as i know, that xmas/birthday is not written in the bible does not make it a pagan worship.

ijawkid: Lol.........smh again and again.............who tagged it as xmas?? Who are the WE??........mention the name of the WE.........

Are you now after the celebration or you are after the name. You see how you guys behave, always dodging away from fact. Ok call it whatever you want it does matter, all that matters is that are we rejoicing that our saviour came to redeem us.

truthislight: birthday celebration glorify/worship the spirit/demon of the day of ones birth.

It is self worship on the notion that the individual "is a god" as satan hes told eve in eden.

That the day is the day that "you" the god ways born.

Chrismas is just the same thing and they used it in the church today.

That you dont know does not mean that ignorance is an excuse.

It does not mean that Yahweh does not know it origin.

and that is why it is safe to walk on the thin rope of what the bible says as to avoid mistakes like this.

You cannot be eating in the temple of God and the temple of idol the bible says.

I still dont you how you came to the conclusion that celebrating birthday is worship to spirit/idol. A day that i thank God for bringin me into this world and keeping me safe/alive till date. How is that an idol worship. You just quoted satan above, which means you believe in what satan says after the bible made us to understand that satan is a liar. You see yourself.

ijawkid: And here goes rich4God asking the same questions that have been answered.....rich4God we go fight gidigbo o.....................plapville and I think todaynatoday answered this question and even myself.......scroll back and read the comments.............the angels rejoiced that the means by which humans would gain eternal life had been sent to the earth ....they did not commemorate Christ birth........the angels did not do xmas.........did they??......you think the angels are pagans ??........

Good... We are rejoicing just like the angels did, that our saviour came to redeem us. But then, we tagged it Christmass.

Zikkyy: Good talk! and we have done just that. All pagan practices have been dropped. What we do now is ensure we don't practice anything that is against the commandment to Love God and neighbor. We are so in love with God we decided to celebrate the coming of Christ by dedicating a special day for some extra special 'spiritual sessions' and subsequent jollification it's not that we don't do it everyday, it just that you can't have a public holiday on a daily basis, so the merry-ment on that special day is truely...... 'special' and we so loooove our neighbors we decided to give gifts as well so what wrong with that? tell me

Its obvious that from their response, they never want to learn. WAny time you site an example that butress their point, they ask you to open another thread on that topic. Am not a religion freak... But i hate it when people try to be selective in things that matters about faith.

truthislight: Jesus commanded it no offence please.

Were did Jesus command you to celebrate chrismas.

Dont be a worker of "lawlessness"

"And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you workers of lawlessness" (Matthew 7:23)

I keep on saying this, you all are been selective in your judgement. Who professed to you to make use of a compiled bible. Why not go and pick/carry the scroll in which the early christians used, or better still make your translation using ink and written on scroll.

ijawkid: What about pharoah na and all the birthdays of zeus,artemis et al.........??........going by the bibles standards no servant of God celebrated birthdays..its as clear as day.........birthdays was never a custom of Gods people....it has always been of pagans.......why u dey argue like this??....abi the harmattan dey worry u??..........

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I can't stop you from celebrating your birthday,........I'm only worried because you are projecting such pagan custom on Jesus the holy servant of GOD...........the xmas has and would never be to the glory of God and his son........its all to the glory of presumptuous people who want to indulge in self gratification while hiding behind the cloak of christianity......

I keep on telling you... the bible didnt record everthing, neither are you expecting the bible to have a set out rule of our day to day activities. Going from the bible standard, no early christian enrolled in NYSC, but now you are a copper. Will you then say that you are going against the bible standard. I raised the issue of celebrating graduation party. You said i should provide its history. Assuming am to pick my history from a buddist country where the student engaged in graduation party, will you then say that its of pagan origin knowing fully well that there are christian country where such are been celebrated.

ijawkid: Lol.....we commemorate the last supper(sacrificial death) of Christ on the date he instituted it.......again Jesus gave the command....how you want to relate this to your pagan xmas that is a fraud and a lie would make me never reply you again on this topic.....................the only spirit that is in charge of the commemoration of Christ death is the holy spirit.......as for your christmas you know it is the spirit of the world that's in charge.......

LOL... Good to hear that. Now what will you say of angels that were rejoincing when Christ was born? Lk 2:12-15.

truthislight: so, is graduation party pegan and is it used for worship?

If no. Then you are missing the point here.
Peace

Good... and i still dont know how birthday party is used for worship. Plz tell me.

ijawkid: The bible must mention everything associated with His plans of which Jesus is one of them.................so now we are to go into graduation parties??............right??...........you want us to talk about graduation parties??....then start a thread giving me a brief history of graduation parties and tell me if they are pagan......that's the same thing the Op did with xmas...............

You have not yet concluded with xmas you want to run to graduation............smh!!!!!!..........

The only proof you guys have against birthday is because the bible recorded that a pagan celebrated it, it never stated that a pagan started it. So am telling you tthat you are been selective in your judgement. Am pretty sure that even before the time of Herod there are people who celebrate birthday. Mind you people exited before the bible were written so basing your arguement on the issue of birthday based on what is written in the bible to conclude that birthday is pagan is illogical/basless and more over, the bible recorded Herod's birthday to show the circumstance that lead to the death of John and not to render it a pagan worship.

ijawkid: Lol.........its right to commemorate the last supper because Jesus is the new passover.......and because Jesus himself commanded it..........why u can't get this point baffles me zikky.......smh!!!!............

Good. It is right to commemorate the last supper abi? Then you are no different form us because on the day you are commemoratin it, am sure there is a spirit/idol that is related to that particular day. So you just proved yourself to be an idol worshipper just like you said we are.