₦airaland Forum

Tianamen1:
Why Nigerians do not protest is because, we pay one of the lowest taxes on earth so we do not feel our leaders owe us anything.

Most countries are run on taxation but in Nigeria, the government earns income from crude oil sales so they are not answerable to the citizenry.

In fact, if any group within Nigeria protests, The government would simply implement a carrot and stick method to destabilize the said protest.

We can not be united against our government until we truly believe that our government owes us better.

As for now, we are all waiting for our turn to chop our share of the national cake.

Very apt!

Learnt something from this.

Jarus:
And some interior

You've always been an inspiration to me. Keep up the good work Sir.

We're coming too!

xcon:
Desolving will not solve the problem.90% of the bad image of Nigeria comes from the southan part of Nigeria expecialy the SE.

Dissolving Nigeria will, to some certain extent solve bad and terrible leadership that the born-to-rule mentality people have inflicted on us.

Zooposki:
Are you kidding me Yahoo yahoo which is your trademark has destroyed this country the most. I feel like slapping you. You better talk to your people.

Yahoo yahoo is horrible, no doubt. And every country engages in it one way or the other. But Nigerians in SA, Thailand, India, china and most other Asia countries are treated like cancer because they deal mostly in drugs and human trafficking which you and I know the region that specializes most in this. Yahoo isn't an 'Afonja' thing alone too, nevertheless we need to come together as one, hold our government in their scrotum to make this country a better place. Otherwise this cancer will soon make it a terrible decision if one plans to go out of this country. And whereas the country is becoming more and more inhabitable with everyday insecurity and terrible economy.

Think beyond tribal fight.

Jabioro:
Is because they are compound fool..I won during the convid19 Lockdown..that was what sustained me throughout....

The fact that you win will make you keep playing and playing till you lose all the money you won, even though it took you through the pandemic. That's why it's called the FOOL'S PARADISE. You're always going to go back with the hope of winning.

Betting is the real FOOL'S PARADISE. You can never win those people. You'll always take your winnings back to them. The major reason why you see people commit suicide every now and then as a result of losing.

People need to wake up!

nero2face:
brother drink some cold water and chill, no I won't blame Buhari, maybe I'd still blame PDP and GEJ, u think other countries don't know how rotten we've become ?...

Buhari, APC, PDP and Jonathan are all to blame for the rotten system and minds that Nigerians carry about today. Not blaming Buhari shows you're to be part of the blame too.

knowledgeable:
Na Afonjas cause am oo..

'Afonjas' are not know to peddling drugs to international countries, they aren't really known for prostitution too, as much as some other tribes. Are they?

nwanna89:
The reason we cant get better is because instead of us to come together and seek solutions, we sit behind nairaland monikers and point fingers at each other.

Foreigners dont know igbo, yoruba or hausa. They know us all as nigerians. It is easy to find a criminal among every tribe in nigeria. So let us stop this tribal tirade and come together to see how we can improve our collective image overseas

Great point. I think if things doesn't get back to order in this country, in 10 years time, the name or the tag "Nigerian" would be an outcast in every part of the world.

The corruption started with the government. It ended us fuckiking up the whole system and it led to the cancer spreading to the citizens. The citizens get corrupted too, and in turn spreading their cancer to other part of the world. Government are working In these places that Nigerian Cancer is been spread to and the citizens are not as corrupted as we are. Their citizens sure can't allow Nigerians infect them with their corrupted cancers, the major reason why Nigerians are never treated well everywhere they go. If care isn't taken, we'd soon be an outcast everywhere we go.

If we're to treat this then, I think we need to start from the government. We need to pick them at their balls and make them make this country a better place to live in. It is only when the government do what's best for us before we let the sleeping dog lie.

SA are always quick to go out for protest against bad leadership. Look at the northern Africans too. It is until you threaten these baboons at the elm of affairs before they know and do what's best for us. But Nigerians are to slow. They can only protest in the corner of their room forming keyboard warrior on the internet. Come out, you'll see no one. Things won't get better if we keep going like this.

Torture2020:
What is wrong with me? That is a stvpid question. I should be asking what is wrong with you.

You didn't make any point in your first post. Just vituperation like an uncultured little brat. You need to tell us what's wrong with you and why you're sounding like a rain beaten dog.

Torture2020:
Look, leave Ghana out of your nonsense,huh? Today is Sunday. Stop behaving like a fool. What kind of nonsense is this? Ghana this, Ghana that. Why can’t you stay in your own country? Arrant crap!

Don’t you have something more useful to do with your life? Na wao

What's wrong you?

Just saw the video of Nigerians crying in Ghana after the Nigerian diplomatic commission in Ghana was destroyed by some Ghanaians. I was expecting condemnation from Ghanaians citizens and other people of the world, to my utmost they were fully in support, especially South Africans. Calling Nigeria a cancer to the world and all.

Question is, are we not truly a cancer to the world, aren't we crumbling within?

Scholes0, kíni ìrísí yín lóri ìshèjoba Buhari, àti igbaradi fún odún 2023?

Kriss216:
God doesn't judge us based on our forefathers sins. The sins of our forefathers remains with them.

Why do we still carry about the Adamic sin if this was true?

The Christian idea of adamic sin is one of the most fraudulent ideas in the history of mankind. I don't know what Christians were thinking, in a bid to cojoin Jesus and the old Testament together, they ended up shooting themselves in the foot.

The old Testament contradicted itself when it said the son can't inherit the sin of the father. And that the father that eat the sour grape will suffer the consequences, his offsprings shall not experience terrible teeth as a result of it. But went further on to contradict itself with the Adamic sin that Jesus had supposedly come to die for. I understand the idea of Jesus dying on the cross for the whole mankind would not have fly had they not attach the Adamic sin to the whole thing, but of course therein lies a terrible contradiction and a conundrum that Christians will forever run to cover without ever been able to.

From the idea of what Jesus came for, the baby goes to hell, because every man born of a woman has a taint of the Adamic sin on him. And you can't enter the kingdom of God without accepting Jesus as a Lord and savior. Makes sense, yeah? Lol

Thankfully, the age of enlightenment is here.

Attention seeker

SultanOfAbia:
We are all polygamous in nature
It's highly selfish to love one person
When there are many people out there that need love too.
To focus all your life to one person??
That shit sound like slavery to me

Mad ohhhh

MASTERCHIEF0847:
"she push me to the bed i told her i don't ve condom she remove my belt drag my trousers down and climb on my erected dick "


Op you be fool

You dey mind the clown?

The Giadom guy mumu Sha. He just stupidly shot himself in the foot hahaha

tintingz:
You've clearly said God is responsible for evil. Case close.

Typical of you. Never taking correction even when your illogical thinking has been exposed.

A knowledge seeking wise man would admit to errors in thinking when he makes one, that's how he learns and grow. But of course a mind full of ego and presuming himself to be an epitome of intelligence will never admit to his own fallacy. Basically because he's so flawless and think himself impossible to make stupid logical claims.

Again, your atheist brother must be really ashamed of you.

Anything that'll not make one think clearly should be run away from. To plan a great future, we need our minds intact and very clear. Hard drugs never make your mind clear in thinking and this will always lead to bad decision making.

I say no to weed..

tintingz:
Lol. He's using predator lions has example of morality.

Why don't you simply answer the question¿?

What definition are you looking for?

Evil and good. You're yet to give a concise definition to it. You've only stated that evil is the opposite of good. Dafuk is that

tintingz:
Rilwayne001 has been cornered. He said a wise ALL-blue ink pen can write black ink, so which means the ALL-blue pen has black ink too(then the pen cannot be all blue). So God has evil.
I guess he realize he has flopped.

Is this how you're consoling yourself now?

Did you answer my question on 2sweet+biscuit or 2 sweet + agbo? Oh yeah your brain would have opened had you answered it. But of course you don't want it to open


Your atheist brothers must be ashamed of you

Definition. What are your definitions?

Knowlege isn't acquired by jumping from one thread to the other.

A pride of lions attacked a pregnant deer. They brutally murdered the deer and even eat it's foetus. Is this evil or good?

Your ignorance stinks to high heaven. Obviously.

tintingz:
If you want to find an escape route at least find a good reason to run away.

You obviously can see me running away with tail between my legs, can't you? Hahahaha yadayada.

Maybe I'll come back when I see your atheist brothers weigh up on what we've discussed so far. But continuing despite all these your feign of ignorance? Nahh! And yes I've taken the escape route. Running away that is..LOL

tintingz:
Stop this red herring and point out the hypocrisy there.
I assume you can see how absurd the concept of OMNI/ALL is with God.

Yeah. The logic you've displayed so far isn't absurd. Mine has been ridiculous and really absurd. Lmao I asked what's your definition and understanding of evil, your reply was, there are two types of evil. WTF! Is that the right answer? Lol. But of course there's logic and nothing absurd in whatever you relay here.

I just hope your atheists brothers on this thread is see the type of empty illogical keg that you're.. LOL.

Have a nice day oh

Wow!!! ^^^^your fellow atheist brethrens on this thread should see your hypocrisy and illogicals by now. Lmao!

Have a nice day padi mi

tintingz:
Nope, I don't think evil is necessary.

I think I know where the problem comes from, what is your definition of EVIL? Or simply, what's your knowledge of it?

I've said that he can be all wise and all whatever else he's, the argument here is about one of the attributes of God which is "all-good".

So if I say, someone is tall, but not just tall, he's got long legs too. What would be rational is basing your questions solely on why he has long legs alone?

Or perhaps you didn't even understand what wisdom is? Your matter tire me oh

I can counter all other attributes of your God, but we're focusing on All-good.

It doesn't make sense to single out one of His attributes. It's just like saying you can attack my personality solely based on my hands alone. You don't have any business with my brain because my was is not the part of me that's typing this. Sounds ridiculous, doesn't it?

You can't single out one His attributes and say you're "Focusing" on it. You have to put into consideration similar attributes for which they got in tandem together.

I used a pen as example, a pen can be all long, all beautiful and all blue ink and many other attributes but what happens when the pen writes black ink, is it part of it nature too?

The pen, if it has wisdom, may choose to write black, to fit in a scenario where black color is necessary. You possibly can't know what the pen is capable of. Could even write red where necessary. Does not stop the color from being blue, but has has enough wisdom to know where and where not to stick to blue color.

Is evil part of God's nature even when he's all wise?

It depends on what you define to be evil. You need to refer back to my earlier post on this quote.

If the father is all-sweet giver, if he deprive giving the child sweet then he cannot be all-sweet giver because he has limit to his attributes and sense of not giving sweet.

This doesn't make sense. Your dad has enough money to buy as much sweet as he can to satisfy your desire for what you term "GOOD" (eating plenty sweet everyday) as a 2YEAR OLD BOY. The very fact that he doesn't want you do this thing that you presumed to be GOOD, when actually bad in the Long run is what my argument is all about. This is very simple and logical if you'll give room for reason.

Or let's do it this way, if the father is all-sweet giver, can he give the child bitters?

Perfect. Check this:

My grandma used to give me very bitter agbo when I was a kid. She'd bring it in bottle whenever she comes to our house. I never really liked her whenever she brings it because I thought she just enjoyed seeing us looking bitter after taking the agbo.

As a TWO YEAR OLD BOY, assuming you were provided with an option to take 3 sachet of sweet + 2 biscuits, or for you to take 2 sachet of sweet + 1 bottle of agbo, honestly tintingz, which do you think you would you pick??

Your answer to this^^ should bury this argument easily.

And does too much goodness put one in danger?

You need to tell me your understand of goodness and evil.

Lol, even if wisdom is added to the premise how does it change anything?
P1. God is all-good and all-wise
P2. Evil exist
Q. Is God all-good for evil to exist?

Wisdom dictates that taking agbo and sweet, as a two year old boy reduces constipation and less sugar in the body system. But goodness to a two year old boy is eating sweets and more sweet with biscuit, and never taking agbo because agbo is bitter.

Can you honestly see the difference?

So evil exist and NECESSARY for God, how does the all-wise attribute of God further maintain that God is all-good? Where and how does evil come into existence In the present of an all-good God?Possible logical answer is,
1. God love evil or evil is part of God's nature
2. Evil is independent and God cannot do anything to stop it. you have any counter-argument for this?

Wisdom dictates that we pick the argument from scratch which we've failed to do. We need to reach a consensus on what's evil and what's good.

I actually know what human anatomy is and I said every specie are special in their nature and you said that's not what you're talking about then you showed me pic of human body part, so what exactly is the argument here?

Other specie are special too. I just decided to pick human. Do you think there's nothing special anatomy of a gorilla?

tintingz:
My arguments is not why evil is necessary

Good. Let's take this from here. From your own perspective, why do you think evil is necessary?

my argument is that why does an all-good God allow evil to exist.

This is the third time that I'll be pointing out that the attributes of God isn't limited to being ALL GOOD alone. He's also ALL WISE.

If evil is necessary with an all-good God then God cannot be all good.

Again, God is not just ALL, he's also ALL WISE. Let me give you a typical example:

Imagine yourself when you were 2years. You liked eating sweet and you wouldn't mind replacing it with your 3 square meal per day. Assuming you too one carton of sweet in a whole day, and the next day, you about to start taking another carton. Then your dad collects it, citing that sweet too much of sweet is dangerous for your health. And that you'll not be taking sweet ever again as it will damage your teeth. Cause constipation for you, and that constipation will lead to many other problems that may even eventually lead you to death.

You know as a 2year old you can't understand this implications. Of course you enjoyed the sweet so much you think there's no problem whatsoever as much as you can. This is tantamount to how you view GOOD. And why you keep thinking everything needs to be good.

But of course you dad understand the implications in the long run, so he had to cut it short, because what you're focusing on, which is based on your limited knowledge as a 2 year old boy is the short run. You sure will agree with me that a 2 year old boy can't be smart than his father. And the father will always want the best for him.

Simply, to the boy, with his limited knowledge, he would believe his father not allowing him take sweet is doing evil to him. And that the father is a bad person for not allowing him enjoy what he thought to be good. But of course, you would agree with me that the father his not evil has the boy thought. But that there is WISDOM in father allowing the boy not to have all he wants because its for a greater good, and not the short-run good that the boy seeks. DO YOU AGREE WITH THIS?

I believe I've broken this argument so very well for you by making it even more elementary.

is subjectivist fallacy. There's nothing like "philosophy of mine" in a philosophical argument, you have to follow the logical premises.
P1. God is all-good by nature
P2. Evil exist
Q. Can God be all-good?

You're being biased in the premises. Before we come to the premise, there's need to give meaning and agree to understand each notable words in the premise. The question you're leaving out of this context is that, is WISDOM lacking in the nature of God? If not, then do you understand the wisdom behind why evil exists?

There you go!

Nope, maybe you should explain.

Human anatomy is what constitutes the human body (pica below). Atheist believe there's nothing special in it.

tintingz:
Since no one can understand God wisdom, why do you worship him? How can you know he do/does meaningless things? I've created a thread on this. I hope you know this is a special pleading fallacy. Your logic is flawed, I'm trying to point out the paradox of an all-good God.

You're looking for who to bait into to circular arguments, but I'm not taking this.

If God is all-good by nature (absolutism), he can never love evil, he can never allow evil to exist except he's not all-good.

I believe I've given a very concise example to buttress my point on why the need for evil isn't entirely bad as it seems. My expectations was that you tackle the major point ( which I termed my perspectives) one after the other, but as usual ignored it to tackle God. Evil isn't entirely bad. Excessive good will naturally lead to it been valueless and eventually cause more havoc worse that the normal evil. This philosophy of mine is too hard for you to comprehend I guess.

Take note, I didn't say this is the major reason why God allowed evil, but rather from the intellect he's given us, we can deduce that perhaps this is just of the many reasons why it exist. Basically because he's All knowing and All Wise.

Think yourself as an all-good being by nature, everything about you is absolutely good, will you allow evil to exist?

He's not just All good, he's as well ALL WISE. WISDOM dictates something a situation that seem bad, but eventually at the end good. This is very very simple to understand if you're paying attention. And I just demonstrated to you why there's good in bad of life occurrences. What else do you what?

Ok, since bad and good gives balance to things(which I think it's not necessary for an omnipotent God), is paradise a meaningless place?

You take things one after the other. Don't jump to paradise yet. One step at a time.

You can't use a chair that doesn't feel pain, conscious as your analogy, a chair cannot make any objections nor experience pains. How do you expect a chair to question the carpenter when it's not conscious? Do you reason out before proposing this analogy?I even made it easier that let's assume the chair is sentient (because using a chair that's not conscious is totally absurd).

Sigh. I'm not taking this bait. Lol

Atheists refused to think? Coming from someone that doesn't understand his God, a God he can't prove, why not as well believe in fairies.
Every specie are special in their nature, so I don't know where you get that claim from.

Every specie is special. I'm not disputing this..

Did you understand what I meant by "Human anatomy"?

tintingz:
If God is true, evil and good can exist only if God loves evil. God is all-good, allowing evil to exist contradict his all-good nature.

He's all good and also all wisdom. It's not possible for the chair to have more wisdom or similar wisdom like the carpenter.

He alone knows the true reason why evil exists. But from my own little understanding, I can make you see from my perspective.

For things to work out fine in this world, there must be evil. When we have good solely, then good becomes valueless because it'll start losing meaning. This same logic can be applied to the notion of money. Money is good, ask yourself, why can't the government print a lot of it for the poor to meet the rich standards?
Obviously because it'll become valueless and will cause inflation and consequently economic depression. I've applied this same logic to good and bad too. When there's no bad whatsoever and only peace, peace becomes valueless and even bring greater misfortune worse that bad.

Although to God his overall wisdom. We only know a fraction of what he wants us to know through our intellect.

A chair isn't a sentient entity, you should have look for a better analogy But let's assume a chair is a sentient entity, what's wrong telling the carpenter what it want?

We've argued this before, I can't afford to waste my time again.

You should also ponder and reason, I think you need it more.

We all need it more. We'll need to think and ponder more everyday. Atheist refused to think, the major reason why you think there's nothing special in human anatomy. Smh.

Overtime I've fallen in love with budaatum wordplay. His flawless writing style and most especially the way he add links to them. The way he represents his sarcasm in an epic way and all.

Nevertheless, he do write jargons atimes. No doubt he's trying.