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^^ Anderson is a saboteur

Anderson has the first touch of a r@pist. I can't believe some nuccas are branding him creative.

But Anderson @ Porto was super creative. . . They must have put something in his water.

In other news, Wenger has been named manager of the decade by IFFHS.

IFFHS – Top 10 managers 2001-2010:

1. Arsene Wenger France 156
2. Sir Alex Ferguson Scotland 148
3. Jose Mourinho Portugal 135
4. Fabio Capello Italy 120
5. Guus Hiddink Holland 112
6. Carlo Ancelotti Italy 108
7. Luiz Scolari Brazil 101
7. Marcelo Bielsa Argentina 101
9. Rafael Benitez Spain 97
10. Marcello Lippi Italy 88


I wonder what DK and Cougar make of this

Full Time

Is a replay any better than a defeat?

I am talking about belief in something concrete not a mere rephrasal of words.
A coherent worldview has to tell us who we are and at least attempt an explanation of why we are the way we are.

So my friend, a simple belief in the non-existence of gods does not suffice.

Perhaps what you meant to say was "atheism as a world view is illogical" and not "atheism is illogical". The former may be true(depending on your definition of the term "world view" but the latter is, well, preposterous.

However if you were to say there is no married man who has never had sex then you would have to have knowledge of all the married men in the world to defend your statement.

To prove that black swans exist, one only has to have seen one black swan; but to say black swans do not exist, one has to have seen all the swans in existence

In the same vein for one to say there is no God one has to know all the beings there are in the universe to know that God is not one of them.

To defend a statement of non-existence one has to possess absolute knowledge.

Except i never said God does not exist. . . Having read through the thread YOU seem to be the only one making categorical statements, with nothing tangible to back them up.

Electricity cannot be observed with the eyes but there is evidence as to it's existence.

Electricity CAN BE OBSERVED with other senses. . . Which of your senses is capable of observing God? Terrible analogy.

We are the evidence of a creator, therefore belief in a creator is logical.

Care to explain this?

Many atheists believe in a creator. They just don't believe that the creator is God.

I assume you are referring to the biblical God.

If you consider that no physical phenomena can materialize out of nothing then you have to agree that the cause / creator of the universe is non - physical.

No physical phenomena can materialize from nothing WITHIN our universe. . . Since you believe the cause of the universe is OUTSIDE the universe then how did you arrive at this conclusion? Are you familiar with the laws outside the universe?

Even if we assume this to be true, is "non-physical" = God?

If you consider that intelligibility and communication has never been observed to manifest in non - intelligent beings and life has never been observed to spontaneously materialize out of non-biological physical matter then you are left with the option that the creator must have been intelligent.

Shouldn't we first establish there is a creator to speak of before we start attributing it with intelligence?

Why we came to the conclusion that atheism is illogical is because it does not satisfactorily explain the fundamental issues of life.

And you think you(or anyone else) actually have a SATISFACTORY explanation of the "fundamental issues of life"?

Pardon me i had to laugh at that. You can start explaining now.

How can atheism explain the creation of the universe without assuming that physical matter somehow spontaneously materialized from nothing (Which is impossible) ?

As far as we know nothing comes of nothing. . . And yet somehow we are here. What if the "default state" is one consisting of physical matter?

Is that any less possible/logical than a creator saying 'let there be light', and then light "spontaneously materializing from nothing"?

The FACT that WE DO NOT KNOW how exactly we came into existence doesn't mean you should plug that gap in your knowledge with unsubstantiated ideas and present them as factual explanation.

nateevs:
Am I in the wrong profession?

Unless they've increased minimum wage, then i think you are

mukina2:
na who be chicken now?

Wild guess: YOU?

Tell us in which Spains formation ether Euro cup ir World cup where Xabi Alonso did not play or you just sat down and formed a formation in your head?

You must be the most incoherent nucca alive. . . What rubbish are you TRYING to say here? That Alonso was a starter for Spain in Euro 2008?

At the last Euros Spain played 4-4-2: Senna, Xavi, Silva, Iniesta; Torres, Villa. Even when Villa got injured Cesc was the one who stepped in, not Alonso.

Get your facts straight before you come here and TRY to embarrass urself.

Ibime:
@ DK,

Ignore that somebody. Even when Torres played, Villa would play on the left.

See this mugu, did you not see me put Villa on the left in the second formation? Ibime i think it's time you stopped browsing with that 45x90 pixel phone of yours. . . You are running the poor thing ragged!

hehehe, Dayokanu think say hin don win me not knowing say i still get Adam(c) + Skrtel + Konchesky to play. . .

I guess the DISBELIEF works fine as long as you don't try to defend atheism rationally. If it is to be defended rationally then the DISBELIEF must be backed up by some kind of BELIEF.

To be able to elevate atheism into a worldview then DISBELIEF is not enough . One has to believe in something to have a coherent worldview. That's the kind of atheism we are dealing with here.

The disbelief in the existence of God(s) is a BELIEF in the non-existence of God(s). . . mere wordplay

I'm sorry to say, but your brand of atheism which includes only disbelief is not a worldview and we are discussing worldviews here.

"My brand of atheism"?

Look at your analogy well sir, what does a man having sex with his wife have to do with having a coherent worldview?

You said one requires "ABSOLUTE knowledge" to logically be an atheist(belief in non-existence of God). If a man is married to a woman, then it is logical to believe they've had sex based on the absolute FINITE knowledge of their marriage.

The point is, one doesn't need absolute knowledge to logically believe anything, you only need finite knowledge.

On the other hand, when there is a lack of tangible knowledge/evidence, then the logical conclusion is not to believe, be it in God, Santa Claus or Bigfoot

Since there is no evidence(hypothesis of the "unmoved mover" doesn't count as evidence) to suggest God exists, then surely it IS LOGICAL to believe he doesn't(atheism).

How one comes to the conclusion atheism is illogical beats me.

DK/Ibime,

Y'all are basing ur inclusion of Alonso/Swiny on Spain's WC formation. . . If everyone is fully fit and firing, then there is no room for Alonso/Swiny.

Busquets Xavi

Silva/Pedro Iniesta

Torres Villa


OR


Busquets Xavi

Silva/Pedro Iniesta Villa

Torres

Now let Cougar come and tell us where the likes of Carrick & Gibson would fit in a 99 man Spanish squad. . .


@Topic

"I dey laugh"

dayokanu:
Xabi Alonso who starts for Spain is being coached by Jose Mourinho.

Jose Mourinho stated that Bastian Schweinsteiger was his player of 2010.

Schweinsteiger would definitely play for Spain.

What manner retar.ded logic is this?

How can one make such asinine comments like the one above minute-in-minute-out and still repeatedly accuse people of delusion?

I usually don't comment here but i find this quite preposterous:

Given the above and the fact that you do not have absolute knowledge then you cannot logically be an atheist.

How so? Using the definition you provided earlier, atheism is the DISBELIEF in the existence of God, not the belief in the FACT that God does not exist.

Saying you need "absolute knowledge" to "logically be an atheist" is like saying you need absolute knowledge to "logically believe" a man has had sex with his wife, or to believe virtually anything else for that matter. . . Preposterous.

See these punks talking about Cesc and how many starts he has for Spain. . . I seriously doubt any CM from Man Utd or Bayern Mushin would even make Spanish bench let alone start.

If Cesc(arguably the best footballer in the league) doesnt start for Spain then it says more about the quality of Xavi and his cohorts than Cesc's deficiencies as a player.

If it is possible to assemble a team with - Defence of Terry, Ivanovic, Alex, Bruma, Cole, Pat Van Aanholt; Midfield of Lampard, Essien, Mikel, Hazrd, JMcE, Matic, Kakuta, Alex Chamberlain, Alexis Sanchez, Malouda, and Attack of Drogba, Anelka, Lukaku, Neymar, Kalou and Borini, we "WILL" not need to buy for five years.

Yes, the unforeseen - players with absolute promise losing form, long term injuries and the likes - may happen and that could force you to go out and buy; the thought of spending big, buying right and mixing with a bunch of good talents from the academy with the intention of not approaching the market for five years cannot be considered dumb.

Players losing form, wanting to leave, suffering injuries, etc are not "unforeseen", they are INEVITABLE. That, my friend, is what renders your argument "dumb".

Also, just because you have good players doesnt mean you wouldn't have the "intention" of getting even better players when they INEVITABLY pop up during that 5 year period. That renders your argument "dumber".

Last but not least(actually the most fundamental), the likes of Drogba, Lampard, Anelka, Malouda etc will be either retired or useless within 5 years. They'll INEVITABLY have to be replaced. And don't delude yourself, the odds of your kids turning out to be good enough to replace all those players are slimmer than a microorganism's toothpick. This is what render's your argument the "dumbest" of 2011 thus far.

@Nateevs

Are you by any chance related to Obolangido Odensin?? There's no way you'll be making these asnine arguments if Oponu wasn't your last name.

tayo_ast:
hmmm. . . nateevs, u sound like u know better than those at d helms

He does!!

Are you requesting N1,000 to provide download links?

Super Meat Boy!!

^^ hey, i replied ur PM. . . have u forgotten the password to ur mailbox or are you chickening out?

Coming Soon:

What a great movie this is. . . "Bad Moment" has grossed $10b(points) at the box office(league) during the last 10 weeks(games)!

Carlo Ancelotti's epic has easily toppled James Cameron's Avatar as the highest grossing film of all time. . .

I cant wait for the DVD/Bluray release!

Thank Zeus i replaced Tevez as captain with VdV in the last minute of the 11th hour

tkb417:
UTD always get away with murder is a silly comment

Chelsea and Terry got away with genocide the last time out and oh yeah, Arsenal have had a fair share of dubious calls in their favour

This is a new year, stop posting thrash!

Let's put it this way: United USUALLY get away with murder

slimshay:
^^^I know Chavgirls are generally ugly. But mehn, with that confession, you have taken it to another level. Like eeeeeeewww level. . .lmao!!

You never hear say BlueDiva na sexsymbol for Ireland?

mukina2:
ole, so u dey watch my Nl profile all the time ni?

u be thief oh

NL profile ke? When i told you my spies were coming to TAKE, you no hear abi?

Now i have all ur pix. . . infact i even have your sextape sef!

mukina2:
ole barowo tif itf thiefffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 

Make i post the full pic or do ur segzy eyes suffice?

A-40:
@Ritchboy
Come off it bruv! Who doesn't know Nzogbia started at LB with Newcastle?

@Eldee
Me I am not blind to his weaknesses I do agree he could do with a better first touch. I am just pained at his under-utilization!
Don't mind these guys! They prefer Diaby's drimbles and Denilson's 'make e no spoil for my hand' passes

Nzogbia vs Walcott debate is like a poor man's version of Nasri vs Bale. . . MISMATCH!

Nzogbia ke?? At 21, he was playing left back for Newcastle

Did you get that off his wiki page?

Of course Nzogbia is miles better than Theo. . . If Walcott played for Wigan and Nzogbia played for Arsenal no one would even dare compare them.

AHAA!

Good luck to those debating anything Chamakh related with Debosky

Mobinga:
Black Ops

4,100,000 x $60 = $2,460,000,00

Hehehe, like 90+% of them wouldn't have spent $60 on it anyways. . .