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Super Tucano - NAF
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Another one that only appears when there is bad news. Go and enlist. Jobless youth ![]() |
Xbee007:I know very tiring. |
Odunayaw:I tell you. It's best now not to comment or engage. They think they are coming here with new ideas or reasoning. Rather, all flogged to death years ago. |
Kabe2:I think it was in an online naija newspaper sometime back, but can't find it. I will keep looking. |
Kabe2:That was when the then defence minister, Dan Ali, visited Russia and he said the Mig family was something they were looking at as well as other systems. It is good to shop around, then you get an idea of what best suits your budget. I am confident that something will come out of it as has been happening recently. If it was before, I would have dismissed it, but we can see tangible results already emerging. I brought up the Russian ships because someone posted about Nigeria being interested in Russian corvettes. I know there was a trip not long ago concerning someone visiting a shipyard in Russia and I wondered why at the time. I will see if I can find it. |
Kabe2: ![]() We will buy them all ![]() |
bidexiii:It was a travesty at the time. |
bidexiii:Amen to that |
Back in 2019, Nigeria showed an interest in Russian Naval vessels, so who knows. The UAE and Saudi Arabia Navy Commanders as well as high ranking delegations from Nigeria, Thailand and Vietnam displayed special interest to AK Bars products including frigate GEPARD 3.9, the Project 21631 small missile ship, the Project 21980 special-purpose boat and the Project 22160 patrol vessel, according to the AK Bars Holding representative. https://euro-sd.com/2019/07/news/14146/naval-show-is-going-well-but-future-is-unclear/ And further: Nigeria's military attache, the delegations of the UAE, Saudi, Vietnamese navies and the armed forces of Namibia, Ghana, Thailand and others viewed the exposition at the St. Petersburg naval show ST. PETERSBURG, July 12. /TASS/. Military delegations from the United Arab Emirates (UAE), Saudi Arabia, Thailand and Vietnam have displayed interest in the Russian-made frigate Gepard-3.9 and Project 22800 ‘Karakurt’ missile corvettes at the St. Petersburg International Maritime Defense Show, the press office of the Zelenodolsk Shipyard reported on Friday. "The military attache from Nigeria, the delegations of the UAE, Saudi and Vietnamese navies and the armed forces of Namibia, Ghana, Thailand and other countries viewed the exposition at the St. Petersburg naval show, the press office said. "The visitors displayed a special interest in the frigate Gepard-3.9, Project 22800 small missile ships, Project 22160 patrol vessels, Project 21980 anti-subversion boats and Project A223 amphibious assault boats," the Shipyard’s representatives said." https://tass.com/defense/1068360 |
LTGEN:Thank you for pointing this out. NAF Regiment troops , of which there are over 4,000 are mainly for base defence etc. Then there are SOF type forces which are over 1,000 and are deployed to the different QRFs. Then there are the recently graduated CSAR troops who are highly specialised and don't even appear to be up to a hundred. These SOF have been deployed to practically every hot spot in the country but now you get people coming out criticising the NAF for trying to produce SOF type forces of which they are nowhere near enough. Within the SOF & SF community, you even have specialities. I blame the NAF for being so open and modern. If we weren't kept abreast of developments, we would have been criticising them for not doing enough. For crying out loud. Majority of these troops are not SEAL or SAS SF types. They are tailored for specific purposes. |
Odunayaw:COALITION SOF THE SPECIAL OPERATIONS WORLD OF SUB-SAHARAN AFRICA by SOFREP 1 day ago SHARE THIS: FacebookTwitter SADF. SADF. It is common knowledge that warfare has greatly evolved in our times: from the strategic to the operational and tactical levels, from training and equipment to mission statements and structure. Indeed, literally every facet of warfare has seen close to a complete doctrinal overhaul. A good number of countries across the globe have firsthand experienced the effects of this military evolution. Since the end of WWII, military engagements have grown smaller in scope; they have also become more rapid. International humanitarian law, the body of law that governs war, has also become stricter. The resultant atmosphere has created a world that trembles at the mention of an interstate military confrontation. Individual military operations, save for those sanctioned by the UN, have striven to great lengths to keep a low engagement profile. Nations have opted to greatly minimize the size of their fighting units and accelerate the development and capabilities of the individual soldier — both in equipment and skill. Effective battle units have become smaller and more versatile. They have acquired delicate battlefield maneuverability and the ability to maintain a zero trace signature. And the name that we give to these small fighting units, whose respective nations have invested in and greatly developed, is Special Operations Forces. A member of the Kenyan Army 40th Ranger Strike Force. Africa has been lagging behind in the development of Special Operations Forces, compared to the rest of the world. However, in the last few decades, this is drastically changing due to mutating threat matrices. Al-Qaeda affiliated extremism and terrorism, coupled with a number of sociopolitical related skirmishes, has caused an accelerated demand for specialist security personnel to deal with them. South Africa: Many in Johannesburg are going hungry This article will delve into the state of Special Operations Forces in Africa. It will look at their funding, training, operations and accomplishments. SOF units in Africa have been around for close to 40 years. Starting in the 1970s some countries in Sub-Saharan Africa took the initiative to invest in Special Ops development. Of late, other African countries have found themselves developing SOF capabilities. In some countries SOF capabilities have grown greatly. Other countries are still trying to figure out the basics, from funding and training to areas of application. I have taken time to do some digging on the state of SOF development of some Sub-Saharan African countries. I have seen and experienced first hand the capabilities and wide applications of Special Operations. I have come to stand in awe of the smallest of details — perhaps the reason I’m always championing for their development — particularly in Africa. This article will hopefully draw a perfect portrait of the current situation. In the three regional economic centers of Sub-Saharan Africa, South Africa, Kenya, and Nigeria, Special Operations have received a deeper appreciation. In the South African Military (SADF), the Kenyan Military (KDF), and the Nigerian Military (NAF), SOF establishments have seen accelerated development in the last two decades: Good funding, world-class training, real-life operations and experiences, honorable accomplishments (some classified others available from open sources), robust growth in numbers and related equipment, etc. It has been quite a ride for the SOF establishments of these three countries. SOF development in most other Sub-Saharan African countries is yet to achieve notable growth in almost all areas, when compared to the three aforementioned countries. In some cases this is because of a relative lack of applicable areas for SOF development, except as security details of the ruling political elites; in others it is because of varying military doctrines and related service definitions. In some of these countries, SOF establishments exist in a very basic form. Their tactical training is slightly more robust than the average military academy’s basic training, for example, it may include some elements of Ranger School and Airborne School. Special Operations troops get a basic understanding of Special Reconnaissance (SR), Counterinsurgency (COIN), Close Quarters Combat (CQC), Survival Escape Resistance and Evasion (SERE), and tactical first aid. Some countries like Ghana, Cameroon, Botswana, Uganda, Angola, Mali, and Zimbabwe, have some impressive, but elementary, formations with superb tactical capabilities and considerable maneuverability. They act as well-kitted infantry force-multipliers. The majority have seen action mostly in home-grown skirmishes. Some have had impressive campaigns, others have not been so lucky. The majority of these countries’ “Special Units” are bred from their militaries’ respective Armies. Apparently it is cheaper, in terms of resources and equipment, to raise a Special Unit within a military’s Army in Africa. On the other hand, building a naval or an air force Special Unit comes with its limitations due to the unavailability of mission-specific equipment in most of the navies and air forces of Sub-Saharan countries. Although some, like the Ghanaian military, have managed to build a tactical unit in its Navy, they remain elementary. They can never come anywhere close to the doctrinal definitions of the British Special Boat Service (SBS) or the Nigerian Navy’s SBS. In the next part, I’ll talk about the Special Ops establishments of the militaries of the South Africa, Kenya, and Nigeria. I will look at their training, operations, and perhaps a glimpse of what the future looks like for them. Editor’s note: This article was written by Roberts Mwenda, a Military, Defense and Security Consultant specializing in Sub-Saharan Africa. Mwenda has a degree in International Relations & Diplomacy from the University of Nairobi |
Good appreciation here for NNSBS. "On the other hand, building a naval or an air force Special Unit comes with its limitations due to the unavailability of mission-specific equipment in most of the navies and air forces of Sub-Saharan countries. Although some, like the Ghanaian military, have managed to build a tactical unit in its Navy, they remain elementary. They can never come anywhere close to the doctrinal definitions of the British Special Boat Service (SBS) or the Nigerian Navy’s SBS" https://sofrep.com/news/the-special-operations-world-of-sub-saharan-africa/ |
This guy must have come from the planet zog ![]() |
bidexiii:I am laughing in Spanish because Yankee don't know what they are doing, abi? Waste of their taxpayers money . They don't know what they are doing when they can use high end 5th gen fighters that cost tens of thousands of dollars an hour to hunt rag heads and provide close air support to their troops ![]() After all, the rag heads will just shoot them down ![]() |
Off topic: Third Super Tucano ordered for US Air Force operation by Air Force Special Operations Command. ![]() https://defence-blog.com/news/sierra-nevada-to-deliver-additional-a-29-attack-aircraft-for-combat-aviation-advisor-mission.html |
komekn:Sorry Bidexiii ![]() Komekn, read - Besides the air police missions, the Super Tucano also is used to train future fighter, attack and reconnaissance pilots. There are plenty of articles on line you can read for yourself. http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/143055/embraer%2C-brazil-govt-applaud-las-victory.html |
This article below is great ![]() Nigeria's fleet path to fight terror Posted 12 May 2020 · Nigerian Air Force commander, Air Marshal Sadique Abubakar, talks to Alan Warnes about modernising the force’s capabilities while, simultaneously, fighting Boko Haram terrorists. Since 2014, Boko Haram terrorists (BHT) have become a significant threat to Nigeria’s security, particularly in the country’s north-east. As a result, Nigerian Air Force (NAF) fighters and combat helicopters have been playing a major role in Operation Lafiya Dole to stop their violence. Air Marshal Sadique Abubakar, who has commanded the NAF since July 2015, said: “My primary concern is to ensure Nigeria’s security and that the sovereignty of our country is not undermined by terrorism. That is why we have been working together with other agencies to degrade the capabilities of the BHT and reduce its effectiveness to what it was before 2014.” Abubakar has also been trying to return grounded aircraft to service. “We are aiming to build capacity within, and see how we can get our partners from outside Nigeria to complete upgrades, period depot maintenances (PDMs), or life extensions in Nigeria, so that our own personnel can get learn and get involved,” he explained. With the help of outside sources, working alongside NAF personnel in-country, he has seen Aero L-39ZAs, Dassault Alphajets and Lockheed C-130 Hercules aircraft returned to service. “Revitalising our fleets is important. Working with Aero Vodochody, we have returned three L-39ZAs back into the air that are now doing a great job against the BHT. “[b]We have also contracted the company to return three more L-39ZAs and upgrade the old analogue cockpit with a new GenesyS system. “I want the aircraft, not just for training, but to fight the BHT. My desire is to upgrade all six – with the additional three coming out of the 2021 budget. I am pleased we had so many NAF personnel involved in returning the aircraft to flight.” As recently as February 8, just five days into Operation Rattlesnake 3, L-39ZAs, working with Dassault Alphajets, “neutralised” Boko Haram terrorists at Alafa Yagayaga, on the outskirts of Sambisa Forest in Borno State. “The Alphajets are doing their normal air-to-ground ops, while the F-7Nis, which we have worked very hard over the past five years, are now being overhauled by CATIC,” said the air marshal. On the vital intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance (ISR) role, the chief said: “We are using a Beech 350 King Air with the FLIR Star Safire, as well as [two] ATR 42s. One is currently undergoing maintenance at Rheinland Air Service at Monchengladbach, Germany.” On the practical aspects of fighting the terrorist threat he added: “You must win the hearts and minds of the people and, by having a clear picture of what we are targeting on the ground, we ensure civilians are not hurt.”[/b] The combat helicopter force has recently been reinforced with four AW109 Power gunships and a Mi-171E. The first two Powers were delivered in April 2019 and, on February 6, two more (serialled NAF 578 and NAF579), as well as Mi-171E (NAF 581), were inducted into the service at Abuja. [/b] Abubakar said: “We hope to build up the number of AW109 gunships over time. We have another 17 aircraft on order.” He did not go into further detail but that number is believed to include the three JF-17s, 12 Embraer A-29 Tucanos, and, possibly, two Mi-35M Hinds. The US State Department awarded Sierra Nevada Corporation a $329 million contract on November 28, 2018, to supply the NAF with 12 A-29 Super Tucano counter-insurgency aircraft, with six of them being fitted with an electro optical/infra-red (EO/IR) turret.[/b[/b]] All of them should be delivered by 2024, and the pilots are expected to be trained at Moody Air Force Base in Georgia. The NAF has also purchased three PAC JF-17 Thunders from Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) Kamra. “We are preparing for their arrival later this year [believed to be November] and, while the pilots and technicians are being trained, the infrastructure is being built,” he revealed. “The JF-17s will be based at Makurdi Air Base, or at the new Bauchi Air Base, where we are building a new hangar.” He did not supply details of the JF-17’s weapons but did say: “We want the best to support our efforts, because terrorism is a global threat. We need to get what it takes to solve this problem and we want the training to dovetail in with the time when the aircraft arrive.” The NAF enjoys a good relationship with the Pakistan Air Force, which is also overhauling its C-130 Hercules, with NAF assistance. A C-130H (NAF 913) was reactivated after PDM at 631 Aircraft Maintenance Depot in Ikeja, Lagos, on January 29. A low-resolution image, released by the NAF, showed at least six PAF personnel among the assembled dignitaries. This is the second C-130H to be reactivated, following the return to service of NAF 917 on June 24, 2019. A third aircraft (NAF 918) should follow soon. The NAF’s arrangement with the Islamabad-based Shaheen Foundation and PAF (SF-PAF) included on-the-job training, while also refreshing personnel knowledge on airframe, avionics/electrical and the T-56 powerplant. During the January 29 ceremony, Abubakar said: “The 631 PDM could eventually transition to an authorised maintenance and repair organisation that wouldn’t just cater for the needs of the NAF, but also other countries in the region. “Our revitalisation programme also currently includes three Alphajets and one Mi-35P helicopter.” In October 2016, the NAF signed a deal with the PAF/Pakistan Aeronautical Complex for 10 new Super Mushshaks to help with their primary flying training. Initially, they were loaned four in December 2016. The new aircraft were delivered in two batches, in July 2017 and January 2018, and the commander is very happy with the results. “They are doing an excellent job at Kaduna (with the 401 Flying Training School), where they are based. The Super Mushshak acquisition has increased our training capacity by 500%.” He added: “If the pilots then head to fixed-wing, the next stop is Makurdi to fly the Do 228. If it is helicopters, then they head to Enugu Air Base (home of the 405 Helicopter Combat Training Group). Abubakar revealed that the US, India, China and the Czech Republic had all recently provided the NAF with training slots.” Four Nigerian Air Force instructor pilots, who had flown L-39s and Alphajets, visited LOM Praha’s CLV flight-training centre in the first half of 2018 to improve their air-to-air combat skills. They were all skilled in air-to-ground operations and, according to one of the instructors, they learnt a lot in a very short time, training in one-to-one combat before stepping into more complex scenarios. CLV instructors also help new pilots to cope with any G-forces they had not before experienced. They are trained to adapt with 90° left and right turns, but limited to a maximum 6G (even though the L-39C can reach 8G). The commander was also pleased that the first female fighter pilot and first female combat helicopter pilot had graduated last October. “We sent the female fighter pilot to the US Air Force to be trained after she performed so well at the 401 FTS at Kaduna,” he explained. “The helicopter pilot graduated from the [South African] Starlite International Training Academy.” In more proof of the NAF’s capacity-building, 2,079 recruits graduated at the Kaduna-based Military Training Centre (MTC) on February 15, 2020. At the ceremony, Abubakar told onlookers: “It proves the efforts of the current NAF leadership to reposition the service into a highly professional force, ensuring it is appropriately manned and adequately trained to ensure that Nigeria’s territorial integrity and national sovereignty are not undermined or subverted by any individual or group of individuals.” https://www.africanaerospace.aero/nigeria-s-fleet-path-to-fight-terror.html The GenesYs System that is being integrated into the L-39.
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kabe1:Yeah, I am aware. I just wanted to stimulate a discussion. I already put in an update of what is already here or expected on the other thread. |
bidexiii:I think they meant 6 armoured craft as in amphibious vehicles. Edit: "NIMASA Executive Director, Operations, Rotimi Fashakin said in addition to the two special mission vessels, ten fast interceptor boats have been delivered and seven more will arrive later in the year. Two special mission aircraft, three helicopters, four unmanned aerial vehicles and 16 armoured vehicles are also being acquired." I think the special mission aircraft are Cessnas and the expected unmanned AVs might be the order from the US? https://www.defenceweb.co.za/featured/nigeria-receives-two-special-mission-vessels-to-fight-piracy-maritime-crime/ https://www.africaintelligence.com/central-and-west-africa_business/2020/03/20/nigeria-brings-in-cessna-aircraft-and-agusta-helicopters-for-deep-blue-project,108398678-art |
bidexiii:Off the top of my head and without doing any research, I would guess that it has to do with the manufacturing process being more efficient with more automation and use of composite materials in the components. This also applies to avionics production and associated equipment. A big part of costs usually is manpower and with less of such costs, especially in Eastern Europe, it could be a major factor. Just my guess. Edit: There is also less R& as some of the avionics ETC. would already have been developed and trialled on the SU-35. |
Maritime Security: FG Set To Deploy Integrated Architecture – Amaechi In an effort to comprehensively tackle insecurity on Nigeria’s territorial waters and exclusive economic zone, the Federal Government says it is set to deploy its integrated maritime security infrastructure. The Minister of Transportation, Rt. Hon. Chibuike Rotimi Amaechi, stated this Monday in Lagos while briefing the media ahead of the launch of the Integrated National Security and Waterways Protection Infrastructure, also called the Deep Blue Project. The Minister, who addressed the press conference alongside all the heads of agencies under the ministry, also explained the government’s decision to end the secure anchorage project, a private security initiative run outside the country’s port system. He insisted that all ships coming into the country must anchor at the national ports under the Nigerian Ports Authority (NPA). The Director-General of Nigerian Maritime Administration and Safety Agency (NIMASA), while expatiating on the Deep Blue Project, said 80 per cent of the assets required for the takeoff of the total spectrum maritime security architecture would be deployed by June. Amaechi, who briefed the media after a high level security meeting with maritime stakeholders, restated the President Muhammadu Buhari government’s determination to tackle maritime insecurity head-on. He assured that the Deep Blue Project, when fully operational, would drastically reduce piracy and other crimes within Nigeria’s maritime domain and the Gulf of Guinea. The Minister stated, “Recall that we secured an approval from the Federal Executive Council to introduce a maritime security architecture, which is coming to fruition. We engaged the Homeland Security International (HLSI), who are only to provide training and equipment, while the Nigerian Navy would lead the Police, Nigerian Army and Department of State Services, among others that would run the equipment.” He stated that the security of the maritime sector needs a more holistic approach, hence the need to involve other arms of the country’s security services to support the Nigerian Navy working with NIMASA. Giving a breakdown of the assets being installed under the Deep Blue Project, Dakuku revealed that a good number of the assets had arrived the country, including six interceptor boats and a special mission vessel, saying a second one will come in before the end of February. The Director-General also disclosed that the first special mission aircraft will be in the country before the end of the first quarter of the year, while six armoured aircraft were already in the country, and the first unmanned aerial vehicle would come in before the end of February. Dakuku stated, “We expect the first helicopter in the first quarter of this year. Almost all the communication gadgets are in the country as well as the Personal Protective Gear (PPG). The C4i centre is fully operational in Kirikiri, the NIMASA Research Centre. Those are the assets we have on ground. “However, between now and June this year, over 80 per cent of the assets would be in the country and they would be manned by Nigerian military.” Dakuku stated that the training aspect of the project had since commenced in phases. He said the first set of training for C4i operators and intelligence officers had been concluded. Basic infantry training for soldiers who would fight on land around the littoral areas has also been concluded and the soldiers awaiting deployment, according to him. “These trainings would continue over time as we try to integrate the intelligence officers with the C4i and those operating the special mission vessels and aircraft,” Dakuku said. Isichei Osamgbi Head, Corporate Communications, NIMASA isichei.osamgbi@nimasa.gov.ng February 3, 2020 https://sundiatapost.com/maritime-security-fg-set-to-deploy-integrated-architecture-amaechi/ Everything should be ready to go now we are in May ![]() |
mekussa:Why you go just see price then try divide by 3 as the cost of the drones . See below."AAI Corp., doing business as Textron Systems, Hunt Valley, Maryland, was awarded a $25,610,000 firm-fixed-price contract for three Aerosonde Mk4.7 systems, initial spare parts, logistics support, new equipment training and two field service representatives. Bids were solicited via the internet with one received. Work will be performed in Nigeria, with an estimated completion date of Sept. 30, 2021. Fiscal 2019 overseas contingency operations, defense funds in the amount of $25,610,000 were obligated at the time of the award. U.S. Army Contracting Command, Aberdeen Proving Ground, Maryland, is the contracting activity (W911QY-20-C-0025)." |
komekn:You obviously didn't read it. It isn't the NAF saying it, it is the manufacturers. The Super Tuncano is marketed as a light attack aircraft as well as a basic and advanced trainer. Now move on. The NAF know what they want. It may even double as the Alpha Jet replacement for basic/Advanced training that is in their development plans, hence based in Kainji. Then there is the loiter capability for ISR and lower running costs. All in all, a no brainer.
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komekn:Highlighted statement above is incorrect. See below. "The light attack aircraft has been designed to be a cost-effective and reliable mount for basic and advanced combat flight training, making it well-suited to the Nigerian Air Force mission for the aircraft. The contract for the 12 airplanes was awarded in December 2018" https://www.flyingmag.com/story/aircraft/super-tucano-nigerian-air-force/ |
To prevent unwarranted speculation, below was the notification ro Congress concerning the sale of the Super Tucano to Nigeria: [b]Notice of Proposed Issuance of Letter of Offer Pursuant to Section 36(b)(1) of the Arms Export Control Act, as amended (i) Prospective Purchaser: The Federal Republic of Nigeria (ii) Total Estimated Value: Major Defense Equipment $29 million Other $564 million Total $593 million (iii) Description and Quantity or Quantities of Articles or Services under Consideration for Purchase: Major Defense Equipment (MDE): [b]One hundred (100) GBU-12 (500lb) Paveway II (PW-II) Tailkits One hundred (100) GBU-58 (250lb) PW-II Tailkits Four hundred (400) Laser Guided Rockets including Advanced Precision Kill Weapon System (APKWS) Two thousand (2,000) MK-81 (250lb) bombs Five thousand (5,000) 2.75 inch Hydra 70 Unguided Rockets (70mm rockets) One thousand (1,000) 2.75 inch Hydra 70 Unguided Rockets (practice) Twenty thousand (20,000) Rounds, .50 Caliber Machine Gun Ammo Non-Major Defense Equipment (MDE): This request also includes the following Non-MDE: Twelve (12) A-29 Super Tucano aircraft, seven (7) AN/AAQ-22F Electro-Optical/Infrared (EO/ IR) Sensor and Laser Designators, [/b]Initial Spares, Readiness Spares Package, Consumables, Support Equipment, Technical Data, Repair and Return Support, Facilities infrastructure and hangar construction, Night Vision Devices (NVDs), Contract Logistics Services (CLS), Contractor Provided Familiarization and Training, USG Manpower and Services, Field Service Representatives, Training Services (pilot training, USAF training, early A-29 training, flight leader upgrade training, travel and living allowance, maintenance training, specialized training, computer-based training, night vision device training, human rights and international humanitarian law, and munitions training), Training Simulators, Air Worthiness Support, Forward Operating Base Facilities, Forward Operating Location Support, Ferrying, and Non-recurring Engineering. Additionally, all aircraft will include weapons software to support forward looking infrared sensors (FLIRs), ancillary system. (iv) Military Department: Air Force (X8-D-SAB) (v) Prior Related Cases, if any: None (vi) Sales Commission, Fee, etc., Paid, Offered. or Agreed to be Paid: None (vii) Sensitivity of Technology Contained in the Defense Article or Defense Services Proposed to be Sold: See Annex attached. (viii) Date Report Delivered to Congress: Aug 02 2017 *As defined in Section 47(6) of the Arms Export Control Act.[/b] https://www.congress.gov/congressional-record/2017/8/2/senate-section/article/s4753-1 |
If I were you guys, I wouldn't try to explain anything to anybody unless they ask nicely They have preconceived ideas. |
Toju200:Show pics, they will say it is a lie and that it is old pictures (no evidence provided). When they see pictures or clips they will say the General didn't hold his radio properly. He didn't bend down to look through his legs and fire a salvo of shots He is a badly trained General. Look at his uniform sef ![]() |
You no go see the usual suspects for dust at this time ![]() |
SuperSixSeven:The point I was making was that a Frigate is expected or in the pipeline. Type or origin is not important at this stage. ![]() |
GabrielYulaw:The guided kit when attached to an unguided rocket may well cost as much as that, but I am not sure. Below is a quote from BAE Systems on its effectiveness: "Combat-proven for over 5 years, BAE Systems' APKWS® laser-guided rocket redefines precision by hitting targets with pinpoint accuracy and minimal collateral damage – critical for air-to-ground missions when you only have one shot." https://www.baesystems.com/en-uk/product/apkws--laser-guided-rocket |

very tiring.

