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Whyem15:
At least this tanks should be usefull against the gun trucks. Its a $153 million deal. 17 vehicles were delivered today including the MBT, light tanks and some artilleries.
Unit cost of VT4-$3million
Unit cist of armata - $3.7 million
I think we went for the better deal considering the VT4 has almost all that the armata has for a lesser price.
The fact that we didn't hear anything about this deal till it was delivered means FG is keeping a lot of deals secret. I hope so sha.
Hope we see more hardwares in the next few months

They did say last year that a lot of equipment had been ordered, but people chose to ignore it and were cynical as per usual

Odunayaw:
There's an acclimatization to the Nigerian battlefield they must undergo too. Anyway, let's wait and see.

Modify
I think the St-1 is from the same family of ZBL the Chadians Abi na Cameroonians use. But if the Sagaie were refurbished(not just painting o) it could complement.

I agree.

GabrielYulaw:
Very nice. Do you know how many were bought?

I think it will all become clear over time. But 17 vehicles were off-loaded at the time of the report.

QuietMynd:
Baba, abeg help me manage am

Thank you sir. E full belle

Odunayaw:
Although I advocated this VT4 as far back as 2017 or so... IMHO we don't need it. Factor in training and competency time and how little an MBT will have on the battlefield, you just want to slap the red out of a General's collar!


Get the boys some bloody IFVs! Refurbished BMP2s could be landing in Nigeria in tens and twentys by April ending!

They have already been trained in China and some ongoing training is also going to take place. I think there are assorted vehicles ordered so you never know.

kabe1:
How many did we buy?

Don't know numbers yet, but I think they are coming in batches and this is the first batch.

ST1 light tank it is referred to.

VT4 MBT

For people interested, NA has taken delivery of Chinese ST1 light tanks and VT4 MBTs

https://dailytimes.ng/insurgency-army-takes-delivery-of-sophisticated-armaments-from-china/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

https://www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/2020/04/08/insurgency-army-takes-delivery-of-armoured-tanks-artillery-trucks/

komekn:
In an attrition war such as we have in the SE.

Air assets will not get you over riding advantage, ask the USA with regards to Iraq and Afghanistan.

The first casualty of war is the TRUTH.

What's your agenda❓

I am not sure what your point is.

But we have had the Governor of Borno state, the Senators essentially the peoples representatives stand up in the national assembly. And they have given a very dire picture of what's happening on the ground in the SE. Are they not being truthful

If we are to believe the NA and it's version Boko are technically defeated and near non existent. Not too long ago citizens were butchered like chickens by Boko when the gates to the city were locked and they were denied access. The reports of Villages being over run over by Boko are never ending.

Irrespective of the size of Sambisa how long have Boko made it thier home, yet they remain without being uprooted.

It seems you wish to deny the hard facts and truth in your misplaced definition of patriotism.

I have watched contributors here almost labelled Boko sympathisers and or unpatriotic for telling the truth or given an opinion that doesn't paint the NA in bright colours.

Your approach seemingly belittles the achievements of the Chadians forces but why ❓
This Chadian army has done in a week what we haven't done, in l don't know how long.

You have conveniently forgotten when the Chadian army at our request came into Nigeria a few years ago and once again uprooted Boko in weeks and had to halt thier advance at our request.

To give things a more balanced and comprehensive view, l brought in the external examination of our forces by outside partners in comparison to the Chadians. When they were invited to Mali. The Chadians gave been given by the world never ending accolades for thier battle prowess.

But you forgot all that and made parochial deduction not looking at matters holistically. You are trying to justify the unjustifiable. And in that quest destroy the possibility of solutions to the problem.

What you are essentially is there is no problem here, it's very normal and acceptable.

I didn't expose the degeneration of our situation by making comparison between Chads President Idris and our own PMB. That would further show the depths to which we have fallen.

I asked questions for solutions, l reiterate is the Chadians army better equipped than the NA ❓

What's the difference between the NA and the Chadian army ❓

To encourage healthy discourse.

But you gave gone down a path of misguided indignation and wounded pride. That Sir, will.not solve the problem.

I have no agenda, just what is best for the Armed Forces and constructive criticism. Nobody will begrudge you that.

You gloat about Chad in Mali and you forget that they ran away after suffering casualties saying they weren't adept at this kind of warfare.

https://www.france24.com/en/20130415-chad-troops-withdraw-mali-president-deby-islamists

You ask why Nigerian troops were given little respect in Mali. You forget that Nigeria had come out of operations in Sierra Leone and Liberia with their stock very high, even with the limitations they had in theatre. Nigerian Armed Forces have a good reputation in peacekeeping missions as well.

Now, why do you think a strongly French influenced mission in Mali will then, for no justifiable reason, prevent Nigerian troops from engaging the terrorists in a forward position with the brief at that time they were I'll equipped even when that wasn't the case for that mission?

I haven't said there are no problems but please don't be naive and fail to understand the international politics that was at play in Mali.

komekn:
The admittance of FAILURE is the beginning OF SUCCESS. As you are able to address your shortcomings, gaps, inadequacies and strive for Success.

The denial of failure when you have failed is continued FAILURE. It will result in the enthronment of mediocrity as competence.

Does anybody here think that the Chadians are better equipped than the NA ❓ I noticed that the Chadians soldiers don't even have body armour, but are unflinching in the face of the battle.

What's the difference between the NA and the Chadian army ❓❓

It's difficult to make self- assessment yourself because you will be most likely be hopelessly biased.

When Nigerian soldiers went to Mali during the French led operation Serval. They were left to do guard duty the reports about our soldiers and thier lack of capacity were not flattering.

The external examination of our military over the past years by informed would be partners and the outside world has not been good on all fronts.

On the other hand the reports about the Chadians soldiers has been almost legendary they were in the thick of the fight. Reports about Chadian soldiers as the desert warriors of Africa have continued almost unabated. They have earned respect and world wide acclaim.

We seem to rely on past glories of decades ago with regards to the NA. We talk about Ecomog in Liberia and Sierra Leone.

In management one persons competence and outstanding ability exposes the ineptitude and incompetence of another.

Idriss Déby has by his competence exposed our ineptitude and incompetence, very sad but a bitter truth.

Will we NOW wake up accept our failing and stop sweeping our incompetence under the carpet address them and pursue progression to address this rot.

How then do we move forward to victory having accepted our failings. ❓❓❓

Wow! That the Chadians had a successful engagement with ISIS/BH, albeit it was a joint MNJTF operation with NAF ISR assets and helos, now makes them Gods? So the fact they lost over 90 troops is swept away and a photo opportunity by Mr Deby now qualifies him as a hero?

The fact that a lot of the islands were in Chad didn't matter at all and the successes of the NA in killing lots of BH/ISIS fighters in the past, not to talk of the various videos of the NAF blowing up BHT/ISIS ammunition dumps don't matter because we don't have NA soldiers laying over the ammunition in vogue style?

A lot of folk would laugh and say "lies" whenever the Armed Forces have bad a successful operation but any thing foreign is "true".

You have people with different agendas on this thread from a certain faction that can never see anything good, to people of a certain political affiliation to also people determined to spread misinformation.

Every country has faults and problems waging a war and there will be set-backs as well as victories.

The NAF for one is vastly under-equipped and the entire inventory isn't even enough to wage a sustained war in the NE not to talk of the different theatres they are currently operating in. For those asking where the air force is when troops are attacked, you do know that you need a FAC/JTAC with every patrol/base who can co-ordinate with pilots in the heat of battle as the pilots can't differentiate between friend or foe from up high? Ask the pilots in the Rann incident.

An SU-25 won't make much of a difference if there is nobody on the ground to co-ordinate with unless there is a clear gap between friend & foe. You will need a hell of a lot of assets to be able to sustain helos/fighters for every engagement taking into account downtime, training etc. If you utilise all your assets at once, you will end up with nothing operational further down the line.

The Tucano will help a lot because of its advanced avionics/weapons and the fact it can loiter for over 8 hours with ISR capabilities even after expending its weapons.

I have no interest in politics and you guys who vote can choose your leaders and they are a reflection of society. I only care for the Armed Forces whoever us in charge and it is quite disheartening to see people being so disrespectful to the Armed Forces and indeed the country because of selfish interests.

You have no other country. Carry on.


https://t.guardian.ng/news/nigerian-army-destroys-iswap-camp-at-tumbun-fulani-in-northern-borno/

THIES, SENEGAL02.16.2020Photo by Spc. Miguel Pena U.S. Africa Command  

Nigerian soldiers take lunch between training events during the opening days of Flintlock 20 near Thies, Senegal, Feb. 16, 2020. Flintlock is an annual, African-led, integrated military and law enforcement exercise that has strengthened key partner-nation forces throughout North and West Africa as well as Western Special Operation Forces since 2005. Flintlock is U.S. Africa Command’s premier and largest annual Special Operations Forces exercise. (U.S. Army photo by Spc. Miguel Pena)

[quote author=LTGEN post=86539430]Not necessarily.
I inquired about this and was told by a reliable source they are brand new
Serbia notwithstanding
Glass cockpit notwithstanding.
[2/quote]

It clearly says in the NAF release below that the second Mi-171E is expected from Serbia

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2523136827899253&id=1684425015103776&__tn__=%2As%2As-R

giles14:
for this day and age?
Why not go for glass cockpit.

The second Mi-17E is expected from Serbia, so logical to surmise that the first one is also second hand from Serbia, hence no glass cockpit.

Am I missing something?


www.alamy.com

Belgian Army Augusta A-109 attack helicopter at Florennes airbase Stock Photo: 53803013 - Alamy

For people who don't understand, the reason countries initially try to buy arms without the publicity is usually because of sanctions or fear that their deals will be blocked by the usual suspects.

Ps. Who ever that person is that likes to mark down my posts, carry on, happy new year

jpphilips:
Almost every arms exporting country are signatories to arms control treaties, non- disclosure agreements are useless in this age.

They might tell you an African country has ordered a particular piece of equipment but don't always disclose the country until just before delivery etc. Don't tell me you have never come across this?

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

SerikinGamo:
Stop celebrating mediocrity

I don't blame this writer. All the people that liked the comment, what are you doing on this thread? What is mediocre about an airforce training up its pilots and making do with what they have and improving on it? Is it the NAF's responsibility to purchase top of the range aircraft or the government's?

If you don't believe they are doing their best, why bother coming on this thread?

I leave you to your consciences.

Sizzorkay:
Who be Grand New

Na derivative of the Grand with different avionics and single IFR.

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Toju200:
yeah I wanted to share this but it said post too long

You can split it into sections.

Some more info on the deep blue project on the NN's website:

"Deep Blue Project. The Deep Blue Project (DBP) is a maritime security project conceived by the FMOT aimed at combating piracy and other criminalities in the nation’s maritime domain. The Project comprises procurement of equipment and systems, and training for their operation and maintenance. The NN has been collaborating with the FMOT through NIMASA with whom an existing MOU is currently running.]The main deliverables for the NN from the Project are 3x Leonardo Helicopter (LH109) Grand New, 2 x 55M Special Mission Vessels (SMVs) and 17 x 9.6m Rigid Hull Inflatable Boats (RHIBs) as interceptor boats. Others are UAVs, C4I Center and training facilitation for the intervention team. The NN however, counts on the Committee’s support for FMoT to make provision for the sustenance of this critical equipment, to avoid past mistakes."

jln115:
I shall descend on you with fury!!! How dare you say which is untrue.... Lol just kidding mate..... Its good to dream!!

Dreaming keeps the heart ticking over mate.

Jimi24:
Nigeria paid for LST over four years. It was in all the budgets. No secret. There is no budget for a frigate. Not even ECA money. ECA probably paid for some Lynx choppers

You just wait and see in a couple of years or so. We will come back to this soon.

SuperSixSeven:
I did some research and I am quite certain this is could be a variant of the F-22P PNS Zulfiquar / Type 053H2 Jiangwei-II. Hull is alsmost the same but the deck assemblies differ slightly. However, clearly a chinese ship design.

It means it is a Chinese hull copy of the Damen frigate. All the more reason why I believe the NN will get it in the not too distant future. You don't start giving out models of platforms you don't have a vested interest in.

Xbee007:
I hope that is the case though.

I meant to say did not meet requirements, now corrected.

Odunayaw:
What are they building that's taking nearly 3 years!!

I can't say I'm surprised because Frigates take about 3 years.

Xbee007:
So the Indians offered to build 2 for us for only $102 million and we rejected the offer.

Probably did not meet the navy's requirements.

kabe1:
2022, na today?

This news is a major downgrade. So, why go for 1?

I thought 2020 was too soon. It could well be she will be launched next year but not completed until 2022 regarding outfitting, sea trials, training etc.

Looks like the Damen LST will not actually be delivered until March 2022.


https://www.janes.com/article/93209/update-damen-building-landing-ship-for-nigerian-navy