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I can't understand!

These guys are funny

BluntCrazeMan:
No matter the stuffing of ballot box that they might do,,, if their is any inconsistency in the ballots as against the BVAS Accredited Voters, even if it is ONE VOTE,, it would lead to the cancellation of the votes in the Polling-unit by the INEC.
And then to supplementary elections later.
OR ELSE, THE TRIBUNAL WILL CANCEL THE POLLING-UNIT.

You are indirectly agreeing to what I have said.

I am not talking about the cancelation of the polling unit but how the dubious politicians can smuggle ballot paper into the ballot box to cause over voting.

Perfectbeing:
No intrigue coming out of the NW. Tinubu will win Atiku in the North. Screenshot this.

If somebody tells you that Atiku will win Bola in Lagos how will you feel and what will you tell her or her?

Oshogbo weed is bad oOoOO!

I don't know what people gain from telling lies.

franchasng:
As you snatch the ballot box and go thumbprint leaving the real voters stranded, BVAS will record no accreditation of voters meaning no voting took place at the polling unit you snatched the box.



The only way to rig it is to buy people's votes by paying them to accredit and thumbprint for your candidate so their accreditation can be recorded by bvas and that is why Buhari and CBN rolled out the sudden currency redesign policy to ensure politicians wont have enough cash to buy votes on election day.




Another to rig it is to hack the INEC database and also manipulate the BVAS machine such that you will snatch the ballot box and the BVAS together and do accreditation with BVAS before thumbprinting into your snatched ballot box.


But remember again, even after thumbprinting, votes will be counted, party agents will sign the results gurren at the polling unit and right there the polling officer abi the presiding officer will snap the result sheet and upload to INEC server.

Not ballot box but paper. With this, the deed is done and aim has been achieved.

Mind you, I am not talking about rigging. I am only giving possible way for over voting.

This guy go use ego kill him political career!

franchasng:
It is electronic my friend, because before you vote, you must be accredited electronically via BVAS which has an electronic database.


So even if you snatch the ballot box and go thumbprint and dump in the ballot box like it was done in the past, you are wasting time cos what INEC know as the number of people that voted at that polling unit is those that got accredited via BVAS.


Any other vote is useless and void.

Nigeria's election starting this year is no longer manual voting unless INEC decides to do away with BVAS machine for accreditation of voters at polling units.



What we are doing now is semi electronic voting.

Accreditation is electronic but ballot casting is manual but the electronic accreditation will be used to checkmate the accuracy of the manual ballot casting, so snatching ballot box this time is useless sir

Can you identify the dumped ballot papers? No. The deed has been done and the aim of the person who does it or sent someone/guys to do so has been achieved.

franchasng:
It is electronic my friend, because before you vote, you must be accredited electronically via BVAS which has an electronic database.


So even if you snatch the ballot box and go thumbprint and dump in the ballot box like it was done in the past, you are wasting time cos what INEC know as the number of people that voted at that polling unit is those that got accredited via BVAS.


Any other vote is useless and void.

Nigeria's election starting this year is no longer manual voting unless INEC decides to do away with BVAS machine for accreditation of voters at polling units.



What we are doing now is semi electronic voting.

Accreditation is electronic but ballot casting is manual but the electronic accreditation will be used to checkmate the accuracy of the manual ballot casting, so snatching ballot box this time is useless sir

Is your ballot paper electronic or manual? That's my point. It's a paper and you thumbprint manually.

garfield1:
No,he has also campaigned for president.even sowore is campaigning.every one cannot follow the major parties.

Ok.

engineerboat:
I'm fine hooo

I've been around just that i am very busy. Though once in a while a make my contribution and comments

Remain blessed.

franchasng:
Not true please. Before anybody can vote based on the 2022 new electoral law, the person must first pass through electronic accreditation using BVAS machine which would record and upload the persons data before the polling officer can issue the person ballot paper to proceed for thumbprinting

Very simple, since voting is not electronic, higher political thugs to get the ballot paper, thumbprint and dump in the ballot box. Or snatch the ballot box from a polling unit, thumbprint, run to another polling unit and dump in the ballot box.

Afamed:
What is then the usage of BVARs as allowed in the new electoral law?

Too many kindergarten on Nairaland

Could you tell me your age? I can confidently tell you that I have been handling election in Nigeria for over 20 years. Deduct that from your age and tell me what remains.

Back to the point, you should have asked how.

Very simple, since voting is not electronic, higher political thugs to get the ballot paper, thumbprint and dump in the ballot box. Or snatch the ballot box from a polling unit, thumbprint, run to another polling unit and dump in the ballot box.

Nothing concerns accreditation here.

garfield1:
He has been campaigning but mostly in the north.I watched his campaign in niger,bauchi.he even campaigned in two towns in crs and aks.he is not rich like other parties so he has to maximise his limited resources....
With buhari out and atiku retiring,he will inherit those northern votes and the best way to inherit votes or build his followership is by contesting elections.if he steps down,no one will take him serious.he has a fanatic followers hip who can be irate.the best bet for him is for a southerner to win and do 8 years and then by 2031,he will be the no 1 northern candidate.he is 65.he can afford 8 years.but if atiku finish,he is finished.he has waited for 8 years for buhari already

Check well, it's for Guber and launching of campaign offices. A presidential campaign is far beyond going to local governments or wards to campaign.

Have you seen Tinubu campaigned in local governments in Lagos or southwest? No!

Atiku? No!

A coward! A disgrace to his political party!!

engineerboat:
Always complete the section you are quoting

Why not quote section 51 (3) and (4) and get yourself informed as well

Those saying rerun are very correct it is you that should update yourself

It's been a while. How are you doing?

Afamed:
How did you now explain those that voted but are not captured in the Bvas?

Anybody can vote without accreditation because voting process is not done electronically.

garfield1:
Shekarau did it for selfish reasons.kwankwaso wants to be president and stepping down will not see it happen

Did you see Kwakwaso as a candidate who mean business now? No! He has not and will not campaign outside Kano.

Stepping down will give him an opportunity the next term why because he is going with the majority.

He just realized now? How can you be against your presidential candidate and support other party's candidate when you clearly know that your election will be conducted simultaneously?

Obi is more serious than Kwakwaso. Kwakwaso needs and focuses more on the gubernatorial than the presidential election.

If Shekarau can jettison his senatorial ambition for Atiku, it won't be difficult for his brother, Kwakwaso to do the same.

Fear the North when it comes to ethnic politics!

garfield1:
You are the one that isn't understanding.it seems the card reader sends data faster than bvas...
Now when accreditation is ongoing depending on the bvas,they either transmit automatically or they are exported bit by bits but accreditation data are usually transmitted long before results and they dont need network unlike result uploads which even needs a special URL and a password.
Now assuming not all data are sent,some polling units would not have accreditation data.it will be blank.it is like when you are sending SMS with over 300 words.due to the size,hundred can be sent at at time..
Talking about biometrics,once a person presents herself for accreditation, it will scan his or her fingerprint or face to look for the match.that is the hardest or most difficult job of the bvas.sending the accredited figures is similar to sending numbers.it is not as heavy as uploading results

I have mentioned this from my responses go through all. You will get my point.

BluntCrazeMan:
Did you read the INEC’s “Regulations And Guidelines For The Conduct Of Elections 2022”??

Because they detailed a lot of things inside the document.

...
After capturing the photos of the results and sending to the Results Portal ONLINE (the ones we can view),, the POs are to manually key-in the results and transmit to the RESULTS SERVER, (Also known technically by the INEC as CSRVS)..

The results in the CSRVS are not in form of photos of Polling-unit Results.
CSRVS does Collation as well.

Go and read that document, understand it very well.
Then, combine it with whatever “tech” knowledge you already have..
Then come back and teach me more, because I am very ready to rub minds with you and learn more.


THAT IS WHY I REALLY NEED SOMEONE FROM INSIDE INEC TO PUT US THROUGH ON ALL THESE LOOPHOLES BEFORE FEBRUARY-25TH..

I understand everything you are talking about. But the thing you are not getting is 'the result entered on the machine just like the phone number you dialed and send but accreditation is not like that in the process of synchronization.

They will come back to take times ten from them.

BluntCrazeMan:
So,, why did the Synchronisation of the Osun details take 40 days?
And by extension, how long would the Synchronisation of the Presidential Election Details take.??



**Meanwhile...
Once Election is still ongoing, the results cannot be recorded in the BVAS and transmitted.
Therefore, the Election must end before the transmission can progress.
So, why wouldn't the BVAS Automatically Start the transmission of the BVAS Details immediately the PO opened the page for the recording of results and transmission.??

Many of you guys don't understand this tech issue.

sangresan:
You're confused.

Hahaha. You did not understand. You need to move closer to any tech guy close to you.

SmartPolician:
It's safe to say that you didn't understand the points the OP raised.

I laughed in India. Op didn't understand what he is saying. Technology is what we are talking about.

Afamed:
Is there anything like synchronized BVAs in the new electoral law?

The synchronized BVAs results were gotten after 40 days of the election.
Where did INEC now get the results they announced Adeleke as the winner of the election on the second day after the election from?

Most of una are just clever by half

You are mixing two things, the result announced was based on the captured ones. It is captured and send. But accreditation was done on the BVAS from morning till end of the voting process. Result is just one file, but accreditation is gotten different files of individual data, it will be later compiled in unit data file.

pedel:
You are commenting on a topic that is way beyond your knowledge.
If I were you I would just read comments and maybe learn something along the way.

I need to employ more people to join me in this laughter! I have been taking part in electoral process for over twenty years. Who do you think you are talking to? I have worked as a presiding officer on many occasions, APO, Collation officer and registration officer.

I don't say what I don't know.

This one no know wetin him dey talk.

BluntCrazeMan:
Dear NIGERIANS..

We Should Not just brush-off all these issues about the INEC’s “BVAS-Report” so quickly.

(The irregularities in the recent Osun Tribunal Judgement are just too glaring for us to just quickly ignore them).

INEC is keeping so quiet about these irregularities, and their silence is no more healthy for us any longer.

Granted that the Electoral Act 2022 gave them the powers to use any technological innovations for the sake of elections (which we have no problems with), it does not mean that INEC can come anytime in the middle of the game to introduce “Anything” they like, without prior sensitisation and “Public Notice”, and hope it would be accepted by us.

INEC released the Guidelines for the elections, and made it very clear that Polling-units results would be transmitted directly to the “Collation Support and Result Verification System (CSRVS)” -- (which, in normal terms, is supposed to mean the “Elections Results-Collation Server”), and from this central CSRVS-Server, all the other Collation Centers (both at the Ward levels, LGA levels, {and State levels -- in the case of Presidential Elections}) MUST CONFIRM their collated results before transferring to the next higher Collation Center.

This directly implies that the information about the whole Polling-units which is contained inside the CSRVS-Server must have been completed before the announcement of the Final Results by the INEC.

Thus, any person that requests to have the “BVAS-Report” is actually most-definitely requesting for the CSRVS-Report, and that is, “the electronically transmitted and collated results” which INEC supposedly used to cross-check and confirm the collated election-results as the election was going on..
And this CSRVS-Report is supposed to be very much available immediately the Official Results are declared, because it means that the results that were Officially Declared are also supposed to fall in line with the CSRVS-Report too.

So now, there are lots of questions that are begging for answers..

1. What exactly is INEC supposed to mean by the term “BVAS-Report”, and why didn't they produce the “CSRVS-Report” instead.??

2. Even if the so-called BVAS-Report is different from the expected CSRVS-Report, then, why was it that the CSRVS-Server got all its data completely transmitted from the BVAS-Machines before the results were declared, yet the same BVAS-Machines couldn't also immediately transmit the accreditation details that were contained inside them to the so-called “Back-end BVAS Server”??
In other words, why did the so-called “SYNCHRONISATION of BVAS Data” in the recent Osun Election take INEC 40 days to complete, whereas the e-transmission and e-collation of results took them less than 24-hours to complete.??


3. Why then did the INEC not produce the CSRVS-Report together with the so-called “Synchronised BVAS-Report” when they were trying to defend themselves with regards to the earlier incomplete “BVAS-Report” which they released to the APC.??
(Or are they trying to claim that the CSRVS-Report is such a useless document, and would not have done well in defending their claims.?)


INEC SHOULD STOP HIDING IN SILENCE, AND COME OUT AND EXPLAIN ALL THESE FOR US..

Voters accreditation is bigger than the results. The result is only a picture captured after votes have been sorted, counted verified at the polling units, recorded and signed by the party agents. This is just a small file. But the accreditation take place on the BVAS itself. It needs to be synchronized to get all the details.

You need to read all the electoral process. There is nothing wrong with the INEC or the BVAS.