₦airaland Forum

ChimaAdeoye:
Trump is a straightforward person. He has no time for lies and deceit. You may not like his opinions but at least you know them.

You know exactly where he stands on every topic. Unlike Barack Obama who is deceitful serpent of lies and intrigue

You must be insane. Trump is a pathological liar who lies every time he opens his nasty racist lips. All America knows him as a monstrous liar with zero morals. And he has the lowest approval ratings of any president in US history, at under 36%.

And nobody knows where he stands on anything because he changes his position up to 5 times a day, depending on how it suits his pocket and business interests.

Nigerians love him because they are ignorant, allergic to research, and know nothing about his racist, right wing policies.

edoyad:
Almighty and All knowing Diezani, how the great have fallen.

For real. Very arrogant, greedy, and selfish woman. She used to look down on everyone around her, like she was some sort of goddess. But now she is revealed as nothing but a common thief and nymphomaniac who.re that fuc.ked young boys half her husband's age, and showered them with billions of stolen dollars. Worthless piece of shiit.

ABUJA, NIGERIA

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ezeagu:
Sorry, but none of this rubbish you concocted is stoping the fact that these southeast Asians were on your level at independence and are now steady whizzing past you, or are already miles ahead.

You can lie to yourself as much as you like. They are whizzing past YOU, and no one else.

Even the so called excuse of American help is nonsense, because Nigeria was under British order during the Nigeria-Biafra war, yet they couldn't use their brain to ask for help apparently.

Peabrain, it is not about Nigeria ''asking for help''. The Asian Tigers did no ask for help after WW2. They got the ''help'' as a consequence of western desperation to keep out communism from Asia. It was all about western interests. Which is why each and everyone of those Asian Tigers is protected by thousands of US troops today, and have military protection treaties with the US, UK, etc. Why? Because they were created by the west and are considered western assets.

Of course Nigeria's economy is rising, as poverty levels and the wealth gap deepens and the crisis all over the country worsens, and infrastructure stays in 2000 BC

Yawwwwnnn. Where is your visa? Won't Vietnam accept you? Hope you don't push drugs like your brothers.

a country that basically only exports oil but imports petroleum products, are you not ashamed at all?

What do YOU produce? Can't you start a business and export? Do you realise that people are exporting products from this country in their private business capacity? Did Innoson, a car manufacturer, not just receive an order from Mali to supply a thousand vehicles?

Is Innoson not a Nigerian? People like him are working, building, manufacturing, and exporting, while loafers like you sit around moaning all day, rubbishibg the country while doing zero to contribute to its development, and kissing Vietnamese asss even though they can't stand the sight of you. Have you no shame?

People who love their country do not trek over deserts and seas to run away from such country

China is an economic superpower. So how come there are millions of Chinese immigrants in the US and Europe? There are so many of them in the US that they have whole city areas named Chinatown, complete with shop signs written in Chinese! If your logic is that immigrants leaving a country means the country is hopeless, then China must be hopeless. Nonsense.

how many British people visit Nigeria because of colonial guilt?

Who cares?

A white person in Nigeria is like a white elephant outside of the little towns the oil companies have built for them in places like Bonny.

You must be talking of a different country. What ignorant nonsense.

Better luck trying to convince someone else, ask an average Nigerian on the street if they would stay in Nigeria or have a free ticket to Vietnam

Your fellow drug pushers will move to Afghanistan and Syria if the money was good enough. Most serious and honest Nigerians will not move to Vietnam for ANYTHING.

Bonny LNG, and other oil expatriate facilities at near developed standard, while the rest of Nigeria is behind because of some excuse or whatever. Look at how people have set up and developed parts of your country in under a few years while you're trying to diminish other countries success and have nothing to show in your own country.

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What is this? Is this what you call ''near developed standard''?

With open drains?

You must be drunk. Is any of that crap you posted comparable to Abuja, Calabar, Uyo, Enugu, and many parts of Lagos?

I've always said this Biafra thing is about resource theft masquerading as a 'campaign self-determination'.

ezeagu:
You can't compare the road works of Vietnam to Nigeria, or the new builds and high rises.

Show us the highrises. Is it that stuff you posted above? Those antiquated buildings? Dude, just respect yourself.

And don't try to claim Vietnam hasn't got its fair share of bad roads, 'cos i will post them here to shatter your lies. Just like you claimed there were no shanties in Ho Chi Minh City, and then got angry when I posted images of the shanties.

ezeagu:
What does it say when power cuts make the news from 2010 and 2015? How many articles on Nigerian papers headline power cuts in Lagos? Please go and check the electricity production of Vietnam vs. Nigeria, even the article you googled talked about one power cut per day, and that was under certain circumstances in 2010.

The article speaks of a POWER CRISIS in Vietnam. And speaks of daily power cuts. Of course there are news articles dealing with Nigerian power cuts. What are you on about?

Maybe you also don't know that the Nigerian economy operates on oil? Is that an argument? How many articles are you going to Google till you find the Vietnamese version of Boko Haram or Fulani Herdsmen?

There is a huge rise in violence in Vietnam, which I posted a link to. Does it matter if their names are not Boko Haram or Fulani herdsmen? Crime is crime, even if it doesn't come with a name.

You don't know how life expectancy works, life expectancy is calculated in a number of ways including the average age of a siblings death. Yes, people in Nigeria live much shorter, this is even reflected in entertainment. That's not even counting the deaths from Fulani terrorists, Boko Haram, road accidents which are some of the worst in the world, pollution which are some of the worst in the world, malnutrition which are some of the worst in the world, bad or nonexistent health care, and so on.

Yawwwnnnnn. When your white masters were here weren't all those problems 100 times worse? That is what this thread is about. ie that we have made PROGRESS. For instance, infant mortality rate in 1960 was over 250 per 1000. By 2015 it had fallen to 69 per 1000. IS THAT NOT PROGRESS?

Here's the graph:

https://knoema.com/atlas/Nigeria/Infant-mortality-rate

If you cared so much about Nigerians why are you so silent on the colonial ra/pe, that looted at least a trillion dollars in today's money, from this country? Angrily attacking those of us who point it out.

So because we have some corrupt leaders today, we must forget about the looters of yesterday. Why? Because they are white? Being white gives you the right to loot Nigeria? I don't think so.

No matter how many images of shacks you find, an average westerner which is where the huge amount of tourism money comes from will run a mile before picking dirty Nigeria over Vietnam. You're lucky you have monopolists like Folorunsho and Dangote to up your statistics.

Dude, most 'tourists' to Vietnam are old Americans suffering guilt over their criminal bombardment of that country in the 70s. Spare us the crap about the whole world rushing to visit Vietnam.

Lost, wandering desert tokunbo Jew, you still haven't added Vietnam's backstory. At the end of the day, 40 years from now another mad delusional Afro-nut will come online or wherever and say Vietnam's inevitable astronomic success

There is NOTHING INEVITABLE about Vietnam's future success or otherwise. It is your racial inferiority complex that makes you think their success is ''inevitabe''. Stronger nations than her have fallen into conflict and disaster, or economic collapse.

Look at Venezuela. 20 years ago they were among the richest and most promising nations in South America. Today, their people have to cross the border into Colombia to find soap. Food is a luxury. Riots are a daily occurrence. SO NOTHING IS GUARANTEED TO ANYBODY IN LIFE. Get it?

As for Nigeria, her future is bright by all expert calculations. She is projected to be among the world's top 10 economies by 2050, based on current economic growth rates. I didn't see Vietnam on the list:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11401466/How-the-world-will-look-in-2050.html

because of magical oyibo, which you indirectly worship as the mighty magical source of all power, including making your homeland the arsehole of the earth.

Your village is the arsehole of the earth. WE LOVE OUR NIGERIA. If you can't stand it, get lost and stay lost.

$37 million for one property.

Does this woman realise there is a God in this world?

Ignorant, greedy waste of space.

Sagay212:
So it was you that built the roads and schools where your useless leaders enjoyed free education?

Mr Man stop blaming the whites for you problems.

Dummy, pointing out that the whites were USELESS EXPLOITERS WHO DID NOTHING BUT LOOT, is not ''blaming whites for problems''. It is stating the FACT OF HISTORY, which you, a slave bodyguard to white men, doesn't want to hear, since you've been brainwashed to consider them your gods, even though they scorn you. Self loathing Uncle Tom.

They have left you long ago and you are still in the same place they left you.

If we are in the same place then how come you are not a hunter of rabbits and cockroaches like your grandparents were under colonialism?

Did you have to trek 10 miles to get to school, as was usual under colonial rule? (Assuming there was a school that 'close' to you).

Little pampered children like you who don't know how far you've come. Now you expect Dubai handed to you on a plate. It's not your fault. If black govts had left you illiterate in the bush, would you even know the meaning of development, to criticise?

No progress no nothing. We are not better off after independence.

Could your grandfather type on a phone or ipad if he saw one? Could he write? What was his job? Was it more than truck pusher? MUMU.

You can continue to console and deceive yourself with the low self esteem nonsense. You wanted independence and you got it and couldn't achieve anything reasonable.

OLODO, MILLIONS OF NIGERIANS are in the middle class today, courtesy of black rule.

Was there a middle class at independence? NO. There was only mass poverty, illiteracy, malnutrition and zero industries. And a tiny few at the top, mostly whites. Probably less than 2,000 overall, if that.

Today tens of millions of Nigerians are empowered and educated, with the chance to move forward in life. Infrastructure is vastly improved compared to where it was in the 50s.

How dare you claim we have made no progress? Our middle class is at least 40 million strong today. Do you know how many factories are in this country today? How many did the white man you worship build? ZERO.

Finally, literacy rate at independence was under 15%, after 63 years of white rule. Today, courtesy of BLACK GOVERNMENTS' investment in public education, that figure is up to 75% or more.

THAT IS WHY YOU ARE EDUCATED.

So THANK YOUR LUCKY STARS that blacks came into power and educated your pompous self that would have been busy by now TAPPING PALM WINE or shining shoes like your forbears had BLACK governments not taken over from the whites you worship .

Blacks educated you. Equipped you with the chance to make it in life. Now they must also give you a palace to live in. Don't get up your dumb, lazy ass and contribute to your country the way your country contributed to lifting you from the gutter of illiteracy and ignorance.

adonbilivit:
She is Dead Wrong!!! Before you argue with me, remember Folorunso Alakija. She bleached/bleaches but do you consider a billionaire (in dollars o) a failure in life?

Not everything is about money. She is referring to a failure of morals and self dignity. And she is 100% right.

bump

300 years ago?

This is ludicrous.

Igbo has connections to Israel, but the migration period is closer to 2,000 years ago. 1 million Jews fled into Africa after the fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD. That was when the Igbo migrations occurred.

Ikio:
if this is true then it will be all over the media by now.both western and middle east gosh even sputnik a major anti western media didn't report this. just like i said there is a group on nairaland called the terrorist gang so not surprised

Dude...the entire media is compromised and corrupt, including so called anti western media.

etech102:
please stop carrying fake rumors nothing is happening in Ajaokuta Steel company for now.

Illiterate. Is this thread about Ajaokuta?

stevejomo:
what about the projection that Nigeria will be among 20 biggest economies in 2020?
they should leave our economy alone please

Do you realise Nigeria is the 24th largest economy on earth today?

This is why we say Biafrans are misguided. If even half of those Pwc metrics are achieved, it will make Nigeria the greatest black nation in recorded history. Why would any group want to secede from that?

freshest4live:
Some Nigerians mix up their arguements, they believe if they admit something about us which could be slightly positive in a myriad of problems, then it's tantamount to being totally satisfied with the way Nigeria is at the moment, so they accuse you of misplaced patriotism..

Exactly... It's a strange thing about them, isn't it? It's as if they're programmed to be negative. Even when something positive occurs, you will see them scrambling to find a negative angle to it.

We need to see more indigenous car manufacturers and similar industries start to use Nigerian-made steel to build their vehicles and products.

NIGERIAN STEEL INDUSTTY ROARS BACK TO LIFE

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Privately owned steel companies are pumping billions of naira into building new plants, as the need for housing, road and bridge construction expands in the country. This is despite the fact the Federal Government has not been able to revive the Ajaokuta Steel Company years after it was built in 1979.

“We have invested $500 million in Nigeria. We believe that the steel sector is the backbone of any major economy in the world. Without steel, there cannot be any other industry in the real sector of any economy,” said Raj Gupta, chairman of African Industries Limited, which has 12 subsidiaries, including African Steel Mills, Ikorodu Steel Mills, African Foundries, and Abuja Steel Mills.

Similarly, Aarti Steel Nigeria Limited, one of the biggest steel mills in Nigeria, has completed a cold-rolled mill in Ota, Ogun State, with capacity to produce 120,000 tonnes of steel products per annum.

The steel maker spent about N300 billion to complete the mill in March this year. The mill is expected to serve the downstream steel makers in Nigeria, using cold-rolled steel products for the production of home appliances, roofing sheets, metal furniture and filing cabinets, tables and chairs, among others.

“The mill just started in March and it is now fully stabilised. It is producing already. It is a big investment and it will also be good for the Nigerian economy,” Aniket Singal, Aarti Group’s vice chairman, told BusinessDay in Lagos.

Singal said Aarti is already exporting steel to West African countries such as Togo and Mali and is expanding to Central Africa, Ivory Coast, Benin and other parts of the continent, in order to earn more foreign exchange for the Nigerian economy.

Nigeria, Africa’s biggest economy, spends about $3.3 billion on steel imports every year. Eighteen of the 30 steel manufacturers in Nigeria produce about 2.2 million tons a year, with scraps and billets imported mainly from China.

An average of steel products such as standard plates, hot-rolled coil, cold-rolled coil and rebar is $464.7 using Chinese prices, which means Nigeria imports roughly 7.1 million metric tonnes of steel annually.

Steel makers, made up of players in the basic metal, iron and steel and fabricated metal, invested N202.97 billion in the second half of 2016 as against N37.05 billion in the first half.

The sector pumped N1.69 trillion into the Nigerian economy from 2013 to 2015, said the Manufacturers Association of Nigeria (MAN).

Already, Standard Metallurgical Company Limited (SMC) is set to launch a billet mill to produce standard wire rods in Nigeria. The mill will likely create 1,000 jobs in the country.

“This will be the first factory to produce billet suitable for producing standard wire rods in Nigeria. All wire rods produced today in Nigeria are being made from imported billets, but in three months from now, we are going to start producing billets in Nigeria,” Mohammed Saade, managing director, SMC, told BusinessDay.

“Currently, we are producing 300,000 tonnes of wire rods per year. With phase two, we would produce 260,000 tons of billets in Nigeria. Nigeria today is a big market and we are committed to meeting local demands and the surplus can go to the ECOWAS market,” he said.

Qualitec Industries Limited is investing up to N100 billion in Ogun State, according to Oluyinka Kufile, CEO of the firm, who is also the chairman, Basic Metal, Iron and Steel Group of MAN.

A steel company, HongXing Steel Company Limited pledged to pump $100 million in plants and machinery in Nigeria last year.


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I don't even see what is so great about those pics. I've seen pics of Lagos and Abuja that look more impressive.

ezeagu:
You're ahead of them in a stagnant state, only giving the illusion of progress through averaged data and unreliable statistics.

For you and your disgruntled ilk, everything in Nigeria is always stagnant and bad. Everyone is suffering and dying in your dark little world. To hell with your pessimism. You can migrate to Vietnam. Many of us are thriving here, and have plans for the future. We are not lazy, self hating folks who don't see anything good in themselves. Go abroad. You will see thousands of Vietnamese in menial jobs, washing toilets all over the place. The same Vietnam you're calling a paradise on earth here.

The nominal per capita for Viet is 2,553.987 projected for 2017, and 2,741.226 for 2018, that is how fast they are growing. They have set their sights firmly on developed status, by 2020 Nigeria will be officially behind them (Nigeria is already behind them). In 2016 they grew by over 6% while Nigeria lagged at 1.6%.

Actually Nigeria's was 2.11% for 2016. And growth rate year-on-year is normally fluctuating for most countries. All nations experience recession. If you were honest you would measure GDP growth rate over a ten year period, rather than just measuring the growth rate for last year. On a general 10 or 20 year period, our GDP has grown by an average 5% per annum.

First of all, Nigeria completely relies on oil, while Vietnam has a more diversified economy.

Wrong. Oll and gas accounts for less than 20% of Nigeria's annual GDP of $529 billion.

The average life expectancy of a Nig is 52 years and for Viet it's around 75.

Stop quoting silly figures. If you really believe the average Nigerian kicks the bucket at age 52, you need help!

Vietnam still has issues, but it's an investment magnet that's being eyed by everyone, the political climate is sturdy, and there aren't a whole bunch of IDP camps and mumus blowing themselves up all over the place, etc.

There's a huge rise in violence in Vietnam according to this report:

http://thediplomat.com/2017/06/whats-behind-vietnams-rising-violence/

Not to mention Ho Chi Minh city, commercial capital, has nothing nearly like Makoko or are removing them and upgrading the people living, it isn't a huge heap of garbage like Lagos

This is Ho Chin Minh city. They didn't show you this part in their tourist brochure, did they?

Onukwu.

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Vietnam has steady electricity and running water.

No they don't.

Power cuts bite Hanoi residents:

http://vneconomictimes.com/article/society/power-cuts-bite-as-hanoi-swelters

Vietnam's power crisis:

http://www.amchamvietnam.com/vietnam-s-electric-power-crisis/


SEE, YOU CANNOT COME HERE AND LIE, BECAUSE I WILL BURY YOU WITH TRUTH AND FACTS.

ezeagu:
Please ask the Hebrew African dreamer about Vietnam, which western country is behind their growing success today. Even North Korea shows and tells when they do their propaganda, so called Nigerians just talk out of their backside.

What is in Vietnam? Their GDP per capita is half that of Nigeria's, and their GDP about one fifth of Nigeria's, even though their population is half that of Nigeria's at 92 million. They are trying, but we are ahead of them.

''In 2012, Vietnam's nominal GDP reached US$138 billion, with a nominal GDP per capita of $1,527.''

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam

freshest4live:
OP was not blaming the whites, he was educating those who believe we were better under the whites than what we have now.

Thank you my brotha. You have sense.

oyatz:
What was the source of electricity used in Nigeria between 1897-1960?
Who constructed the railways, Posts &Telegraph (NIPOST &NITEL)?
Apapa ports, ports of P/Harcourt Warri,calabar,Koko?

The colonialists provided electricity to select communities, usually middle class/colonial-inhabited parts of big cities..(the places we call GRAs today). They used huge imported generators which guaranteed 24/7 power, but had very limited coverage. Total national capacity was about 200 megawatts. A national grid wasn't actually built until after independence, together with real power stations.

Obi1kenobi:
Since you're a rabid nationalist, I simply wanted to prick your deluded bubble. Of course Japan is centuries ahead of Nigeria and will always be till the extinction of humanity. One became an industrialized power from a developing nation. The other is not even a developing nation. Nigeria is an underdeveloped nation: full-stop. There's absolute fucckk all that is "developing". The only development we get in your useless country is we get to see newer, shinier gadgets developed in civilized places.

WRONG. Infrastructure is developing at a smooth pace. Lagos today and Lagos of 1985 are like two different cities.

Awka of 1990 was a village. Today it houses major industries, high-end retail services, including shopping malls, industrial estates, and major road and housing developments. Cities like Uyo have grown from impoverished villages to shining examples of sensible urban planning and development. Many other signs of a developing nation abound throughout Nigeria. Not to mention indigenous vehicle and computer manufacturing, and the growth in the services, such as the financial sector. Today, we have micro loans available for business startups who can present a viable idea. That's an incredible development considering where we are coming from.

Go to Yaba in Lagos. Nigeria's Silicon Valley. It is a haven and centre of startups. Many of its startups have attracted private investor support from across the globe to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars in total. It was the first place Mack Zuckerburg visited on his last trip to Nigeria. The place is run by Nigerians, trained right here in Nigeria. That's progress. That's development.

Yaaaaawn.....predictable jealous drivel. No, the overwhelming majority of Israel's immigrants were not rich settlers. Most left a hostile European continent with little to nothing and spent years and decades before independence skirmishing with Arabs and toiling in kibbutzes as mostly farmers. And America's $3.5b in security aid for Israel has squat to do with Israel's $300b economy. Israel is a successful country because Jews are an immensely successful, enterprising group. When you grow out of your jealousy, you might get to digest that simple fact.

Sorry. But throwing BILLIONS OF DOLLARS ANNUALLY at a tiny country of 8 million ALREADY RICH/MIDDLE CLASS Europeans in Israel WILL produce a prosperous nation. Saudi Arabia is equally successful. Tiny country with billions of dollars falling into its lap daily.

You don't compare Nigeria with those countries. We ain't as LUCKY as them.

Obi1kenobi:
Plenty. The likes of UAC, United Trading Company (UTC), Standard Bank (First Bank), Barclays Bank (Union Bank), Lever Brothers (Unilever Plc), Patterson and Zochonis (PZ), Beecham, John Holts, CFAO, Leventis, May & Baker, RT Briscoe, Cadbury etc. I'd be here all day listing them.

Dude. Do you know the meaning of Industries?

I said name me the industries built by the colonialists, and you are mentioning Standard Bank. Is bank industry?

Trading companies like Leventis and RT Briscoe.

Are these what you call industries?

Look, my friend, I don't have time for this unseriousness. If you have tangible data to support your position, bring it here. But don't play on our intelligence.

Many survived, but loads of these companies which were indigenized were eventually run into the ground. My dad for example loved to reminisce about shopping in Kingsway, Nigeria's biggest departmental store chain which is now extinct.

We have mom and pop stores in today's Nigeria that beat Kingsway hands down. Not to mention the actual multi-million dollar shopping malls being constructed all over the place.

Nigerian Airways and Nigerian Railway Corporation were major players set up by the colonialists and run down by Nigerian incompetence.

But Nigerian COMPETENCE has set up modern airlines like Arik, Air Peace, and Aero which fly to major airports across the world. Perhaps the colonial business model of top down state-management operated by Nigeria Airways was outdated?

And the railways ....We are replacing that antiquated colonial junk with a proper ultra-modern high speed national rail network, connecting every state of Nigeria, with over $25 billion in contracts already signed with our Chinese partners. The Abuja-Kaduna line is the first completed section of the plan, and functions superbly. You should use it sometime.

You keep talking about universities, but they did set up plenty of research institutes. Moor Plantation in Ibadan; Nigerian Institute for Oil Palm Research in Benin; National Root Crops Research Institute in Umudike which is a Federal University of Agriculture today; National Cereals and Rice Research Station in Badegi, Niger state; National Veterinary Research Institute in Vom, Institute for Trypanosomiasis Research in Kaduna etc. A good number became Universities.

But again, the very fact you're comparing the record of people who came to cart away your resources with your own indigenous governments which should actually care should be disturbing to you.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha... .. All those research institutes? Who the hell do you think were in them? Nigerians? Who trained them to be researchers? Where do you train to become a scientific researcher? In your village? Is it not at university? Look, those places were filled with white folk. Those professor types that would fly in from London to partake in some tropical science research, experiment or study of some sort. The only blacks allowed near there were the cleaners, porters, and clerks.

Researchers indeed!! You are actually quite funny.

Obi1kenobi:
You clearly never run out of excuses. Since Japan was an Asian regional power that positively influenced and developed another Asian country according to your simplistic twaddle, shouldn't you feel embarrassed that Nigeria can perform no such role and is a bit of a "big-for-nothing" giant in Africa.

It is asinine to compare Japan with Nigeria, given the history of both nations. One is a developing nation, One is an industrialised power. That alone, without going into their history, should be enough to let a sensible person avoid comparing the two in any way.. But not you. In your queer world, the world is one blank equal slate, where everyone should all be on the same page and level. Or else those ''below'' are ''stupid'', ''ignorant'', ''useless'', unintelligent and worthless. You have the sensibilities of a two year old to be frank.

Meanwhile, a tiny country like Israel with just over 8 million people is a thriving hub of innovation and cutting-edge technology where all the world's great tech firms - both civilian and military - have a heavy presence. Tiny Israel has several universities in the world's top 100, while "giant" Nigeria can't produce one in the top 5,000. . Tiny Israel turned a desert to one of the world's great nations and even as I'm resentful of them and their blood-feud with the Palestinians, I can't help but admit my awe and admiration. Keep living in the utter foolishness that 57 years still makes us a crawling baby.

Yaawwn. Israel is another WESTERN satellite artificial ''Tiger economy'' placed in the Middle east by the west, filled with rich migrant Europeans going by the name of Jews, and funded to the tune of billions of dollars per annum by the US and other allied nations. That's a lot of dough for just 8 million people isn't it? What else would they do with all that money but establish businesses, innovate, and stuff? Again, comparing them with Nigeria, with its 300 cobbled together ethnic groups, its religuous divide, its 200 million population, and askinh why weare notblike Israel, is just madness.

Obi1kenobi:
A lot of strawman arguments there. I don't care to compare what the colonialists accomplished with what an independent Nigeria did.

Well if you don't care to, then LEAVE, because that is what this thread is about.

Facts are difficult to come by as the state of Nigerian industry and the economy then.

Oh no they're not. I just posted a fact above with sources, showing literacy rate of 15% after 60 years of white rule.

A miserable record of achievement by any standards.

I know for a fact Nigeria was already one of the fastest developing economies on the planet before independence and plenty of British and other multinational firms were operating in a thriving agrarian-based economy.

hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!

What did you say? Fastest developing what??

Now I know you are MAD.

I knew it. You came here to defend the colonial record of failure.

Name the industries in this ''fastest growing economy''.

Describe the workforce that powered this economy.

How much electricity did this economy generate (with no power plants)?


I'm all ears!!!

Mujtahida:
My parents were not a minority. I bet you to ask any person on this forum whose parents were born before Independence whether they were educated or not. Which backwater are you from. Koma perhaps?

What was our literacy rate in the 1950s? It was officially about 15%.

''In 1950, the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural. Organization, UNESCO, estimated that the illiteracy rate in Nigeria was about 84.4%''

https://www.google.co.uk/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=Rt75V9nYHsrv8AfPg4GgAg&gws_rd=ssl#q=nigeria+literacy+rate+1950

If your parents were educated during colonialism, they were in the TINY MINORITY. Get that fact into your skull and stop being a dunce.

Obi1kenobi:
You know....I've often pointed out that there's a huge difference between patriotism and nationalism. The OP's frequently absurd apologetics in defense of a failed nation represents the toxic face of nationalism. Listening to him at times, you'd think Nigeria, rather than a shithole with barely superior living standards to war and famine ravaged countries, was like Switzerland. I've had amusing interactions with British people about British politics and what I always find funny is how virulently critical they are of their governments. They portray all those Etonians and Oxbridge politicians and elites who are actually skilled, competent people, as utter imbeciiles. I was watching a BBC hosted debate during the UK elections between May and Corbyn which was hosted in York University with an audience of mostly teenage university students and the utter impertinence with which they confronted, contradicted, interrupted, criticized and ridiculed May in particular was a shock to my system. Accountability matters. This is a country where an SAS soldier was prosecuted and jailed for finishing a wounded Taliban militant who was part of a team that ambushed the SAS soldiers, just because the militant was apparently too wounded to be a threat. France, a beautiful country with one of the greatest welfare standards on earth is the protest capital of the world. French workers are well renowned and often parodied for railing against the government.

It's utterly bizarre squaring reality like this with a troll who thinks we should somehow be grateful to exist in an utterly useless country ruled by kleptocrats at every administrative tier and every arm of government. And we dare not point out that life could and should be so much better and we have to convince ourselves that a big-for-nothing shithole is paradise. Paradise that tens of thousands of Nigerians are risking their life to flee from in crossing the Mediterranean. What in the world is the matter with you? Are you fuccking mad?

Actually, all I'm doing is pointing out to you and your ilk, that if you think Nigeria is bad now, imagine how horrible it was when the whites were ruling it. No power plants. No power grid. Virtually no schools. No roads. No cars, except for the super rich. No hospitals. No universities. No industries. All the while, heavy economic activity was going on, by way of export of our resources.

Talk about 63 years of pure hell.

We were so backward under colonialism, that as recently as the late 1950s, our national soccer team travelled to England on a playing tour, and insisted on playing barefoot. They had never seen football boots.

Can you imagine that?


Now, I don't know about you, but I much prefer the present state of Nigerian - led development achieved by blacks, over the wretched, worthless, hopelessly deprived, stagnant, undeveloped BUSH handed to us by the colonialists in 1960.

And if YOU had been raised in colonial Nigeria, YOU would have most likely been a palm wine tapper or village hunter living hand to mouth, not this insolent, well-fed, educated (by blacks), self loathing sellout (always assuming you are really a Nigerian) (I have my doubts).

Cheers.

Mujtahida:
Do you think at all? Did the colonialist come here to develop you?

No they did not. So why do people like you worship them, and call for them to return and rule us? I'm pretty sure you are one of those people, going by your sentiments. If you believe they are exploiters, why are you arguing with me? That's what I believe as well. What this thread is about is letting our folks know that, because many of them see the whites as ''angels'' who wouldn't hurt a fly.

Even at that there is no denying that some Nigerians were trained as Doctors, Lawyers, Engineers before Independence abroad but they started out here and finished up there. If the colonialist had blocked the means for them to train abroad you would have held that against them.

How could the colonialists have blocked them from education outside Nigeria? They could not. Never in a million years.

Now you say why didn't they educate them here in Nigeria? Till date are we not going abroad to school?

What is wrong in going abroad to school? Indians, Chinese, Japanese etc all go abroad to school. That doesn't mean it is ok to NOT build schools in the territory you're exploiting as a colonialist.

Continue to look at white man 57years into Independence. I am sure you are still blaming your father for what he did or did not do even as a self directing adult. Truly like some have opined here with people like you we would be stuck in the rut of history. Mr Walter Rodney

White man's houseboy, WE HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE THEFT OF OUR RESOURCES BY COLONIALISTS WHO PUT NOTHING BACK, WHILE ACKNOWLEDGING THE HUGE PROGRESS WE'VE MADE SINCE THEY WERE KICKED OUT. If you can't stand it, move to another thread.

And get this, it is precisely because of people like me, who do not worship whites, that we achieved independence in the first place. People like Awo, Zik, and Enahoro, were NATIONALISTS, not compliant puppies like yourself. Left to people like you, we would still be under colonial rule, and struggling to escape illiteracy and penury.