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 Literature › Re: Hot Soles by Roycemadeit(op): 5:15pm On Dec 14, 2025 |
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| Literature › Re: Hot Soles by Roycemadeit(op): 5:44pm On Dec 13, 2025 |
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| Literature › Re: Hot Soles by Roycemadeit(op): 5:43pm On Dec 13, 2025 |
Chapter Three The next day at work was something else entirely, and not in any pleasant sense. The blame rested squarely on the previous night. I did not sleep well, not even in the smallest measure. Sleep came in fragments, broken and uncooperative, like a visitor who refused to stay long enough to be useful. I woke up around two in the morning, drenched in sweat, my heart pounding violently against my chest. I had just escaped a nightmare I could not fully remember, only the feeling it left behind. A feeling of being watched. Of being chased by something invisible yet deliberate. I lay there staring at the ceiling, my chest rising and falling unevenly, until I whispered a short prayer. It was not eloquent or rehearsed. It was simply desperate. After a few minutes, calm returned just enough for me to drift off again. About forty minutes later, I woke up once more. This time not from fear, but from light. The sudden brightness of the bulb pierced through my eyelids like accusation. Electricity had been restored. I had forgotten to turn off the switch before sleeping. I groaned softly and rolled to the other side of the bed, shielding my eyes, but sleep refused to return after that. When morning finally came, it felt forced. My body rose reluctantly, my head throbbing with a sharp ache that seemed to split my thoughts into uneven pieces. Finding my bearings was a difficult task. I moved through my routine mechanically. Bath. Clothes. Breakfast I barely touched. By the time I stepped out, my mind felt heavy and hollow at the same time. Strangely, I had already forgotten about the lady who had enchanted me the night before. It was as though my mind had filed her away temporarily, choosing survival over curiosity. Work demanded focus, and fatigue demanded obedience. That illusion lasted only until Michael, one of my teammates, leaned over his desk and shoved his phone toward my face. “Guy, see this,” he said, excitement lacing his voice. On his screen were pictures a subscriber had sent him. Not inappropriate ones, but clear evidence of payment. Proof of conversion. Michael was beaming. I nodded absentmindedly, but something else stirred within me. A memory resurfaced. A voice. A laugh. The name foreign winch sitting quietly in my call log. I reached for my phone almost without thinking and dialled her number. It rang. No answer. I waited a minute, staring at the screen, then dialled again. This time the call was answered. But it was not her voice. “Hello,” a male voice said, firm and unfamiliar. No accent I could identify. I hesitated. “Good morning. Please may I speak with Titi?” “Call her back in a few minutes,” the man replied simply, then ended the call. I lowered the phone slowly. So that was her name. “Titi,” I said silently to myself. The name lingered. It felt softer now that it had form. But alongside the softness came unease. Who was that man. My mind began to spiral almost immediately. He did not sound like her father. Too young. Not her brother either, at least not how I imagined a brother would sound. That left possibilities I did not like to entertain. A boyfriend perhaps. Or maybe another relative. But if it was a boyfriend, what did that mean. Why would she be interested in a telesales agent. Why would she call repeatedly. Why would she speak the way she did. I shook my head slightly, trying to dismiss the thoughts, but they clung stubbornly. “Royce, you are not calling,” Dami’s sharp observational voice cut through my reverie. I looked up. “See the board. No conversions today,” she added, tapping the board with her pen. “Dami, relax,” I replied calmly. “Conversions come.” She eyed me sceptically. “Be smiling. You better.” Before she could say more, Adigun, who sat to her left, jumped up excitedly. “I don get one conversion,” he announced loudly. He shoved his phone toward Dami, displaying the proof of payment forwarded by the subscriber. The room erupted in cheers the moment it was confirmed and a single point was added to his record. It was a big deal. Adigun had been stuck on one conversion since recruitment nearly twenty days ago. That one point felt like a breakthrough for all of us. I smiled genuinely this time. Moments later, my phone rang. I checked the screen. Titi. My body relaxed almost instantly. The tension I had not realised I was carrying eased off my shoulders. “Hello, Titi,” I said confidently. There was a pause on the other end. “How did you know my name,” she asked, sounding amused and surprised at the same time. “When I pick interest in someone, I go several miles to surprise the person,” I replied. The line went quiet for a split second, then she burst into laughter. Loud and unrestrained. “You are something else,” she said. “Are you at work?” “Yes,” I answered. “And the board is not looking good for me. Lots of zero conversions.” “What board,” she asked. “There is a board here that shows how many subscribers we convert in a week,” I explained. “I have been on zero since Monday. And today is Friday.” “I can do something about that,” she said casually, “if you oblige my requests.” My heart skipped slightly. “Okay,” I replied, before even thinking about what I was agreeing to. We spoke for a few more minutes before she excused herself. She said she was heading to see her cousin. I pressed her playfully, asking what her request was, but she refused to tell me. Her tone was teasing, confident, almost conspiratorial. True to her word, things changed. Within minutes, I got four conversions. Four. I stared at my screen in disbelief as each payment confirmation rolled in. I paid four times and with that, I closed shop. My name climbed the board. Dami looked at me with narrowed eyes, suspicion mixed with curiosity. Back from break, I was hyperactive. I had taken too much activation drink, my hands jittery, my voice sharp. I did not bother calling new numbers. Instead, I followed up on leads I had contacted days before. Some people were rude. Some cursed. Some promised. But none of it bothered me. I was buoyant. Untouchable. A few minutes to closing time, my phone rang again. Titi. “I do not understand,” I said slowly into the phone, confusion creeping into my voice. “You mean…” She did not let me finish. “Look outside,” she said calmly. I stood up, my heart pounding, and walked toward the glass door. I peered out. There he was. Standing in front of a tinted Mercedes Benz E300 sedan. He was dressed in full military uniform. The fabric hugged his body tightly, stretched by muscles that looked ready to tear through the camouflage. His posture was rigid. Disciplined. Unyielding. He did not look like someone who waited often. My throat tightened. “I am not sure I can,” I whispered into the phone. “He wants to meet you,” she said. Her voice was unreadable now. “Who is he,” I asked, though I already sensed the answer. “My father,” she replied. Lieutenant Colonel Maduekwe. The infamous one. My legs felt weak. The room around me blurred slightly. Conversations continued behind me, unaware that my reality had just shifted. “He knows about you,” she added. I swallowed hard. “Knows what,” I asked. “That you intrigue me,” she said. I stared at the man outside, his eyes scanning the building as though he could see through walls. And in that moment, I realised something unsettling. My life had just crossed into territory I was not prepared for. And there would be no turning back. |
| Literature › Re: Hot Soles by Roycemadeit(op): 7:13am On Dec 04, 2025 |
Chapter Two I got home a few minutes to ten. The traffic was something else entirely, the kind that drains the soul and leaves you questioning every decision that brought you into Lagos in the first place. My shoulders felt stiff and my legs were buzzing from sitting in one spot for too long. The moment I pushed the door open, the familiar smell of my small flat greeted me, something between detergent soaked clothes and the faint lingering aroma of yesterday’s stew. I dropped my bag on the single wooden chair by the door and kicked off my shoes with a relief that felt spiritual. All I wanted was a cold shower, food, and sleep. In that exact order. Nothing else mattered. I undressed halfway to the bathroom, leaving a trail of clothes like a worn out snake shedding its skin. The cold water hit my body and I felt a slow exhale escape me. That first rush of cold was always a shock, but after the initial bite, it felt like rebirth. I closed my eyes and let the water run down my face, listening to the sound of the shower like it was a choir. It was then, in that calm moment, that I remembered her. Not her name, since she had never given it, but the voice. That strange voice that had ricocheted through my mind since afternoon. I replayed the conversation in my head, partly to analyse my behaviour the same way I always did at the end of a day. It was a habit I had taught myself for survival, a ritual I used to reach what I liked to call perfection. I would go over conversations, actions, decisions, tone, and even unnecessary facial expressions. I would score myself like a teacher marking essays. It helped me feel as though I was improving, although in reality it often reminded me of my mistakes more than my victories. I made a mental note to call her. I would do it after showering. But as I stepped out, wrapped in my towel, I checked the time. It was already past ten. I stared at the phone for a moment, debating whether calling her at such a time would seem desperate or unprofessional. But then again, she was the one who told me to call later. So I reasoned with myself that late meant late. I would call her and if she did not pick after the third ring, I would hang up. That was my compromise. I dried my hands, picked up the phone, and dialled her number. The phone rang once. She picked immediately. “Hello, it is Royce,” I said, adjusting my voice unconsciously as if trying to match the depth I knew she liked. “Hi Royce,” she replied. Her tone carried a soft curiosity that made the air shift around me. “This is not the number you used in calling me earlier,” she added. “Yes, the other one is the company phone,” I explained. Her voice sounded even more sensual now, smoother, warmer, almost like hot chocolate melting in the mouth. A sound you could taste. I found myself oddly aware of the beating of my own heart. “No wonder you did not pick. I called it several times,” she said. My head shifted slightly and my forehead tightened. She called several times? That information caught me off guard. I did not expect that. It made me feel something I did not want to name. Something that sat between flattery and confusion. “My day was stressful,” I said quickly, almost too quickly, trying to sound composed. “I just got home now.” “That means you have not had dinner yet?” she concluded. “Yes. But dinner is almost ready now.” “Alright,” she said simply. “When you are done eating, beep me. I will call back.” She ended the call before I could reply. I stared at the screen for a moment. Her decisiveness lingered in the room like perfume. There was something about her that felt unpredictable. Not chaotic, just deeply intentional. She took control of conversations with the ease of someone who had mastered the art of attention. I ate dinner slowly. Not because the food was good. It was just rice and stew I had warmed from the previous night. But my mind was busy trying to understand why someone with such a voice and such an attitude would bother to call a telesales number several times. I had called many people in my life, but none had returned the gesture with that level of eagerness. After eating, I felt too lazy to stand. I remained on the floor, stretched out like a man recovering from a small war. I plugged in my earpiece and flashed her as she had instructed. She called back instantly. “Hi,” she said. Her voice wrapped around me again. We talked about several things. I listened more than I spoke. She spoke with a kind of confidence that came from experience. She told me about her childhood, her movements across continents like someone who had lived more than one life already. She was born in the United States but came back to Nigeria at a very young age. She schooled here until grade nine when her parents divorced. Her voice dropped slightly when she mentioned the divorce, but she did not linger on it. She and her younger sibling moved to Spain with their mother because her maternal family lived there. She returned to the United States later for her university education because her father insisted on it. She studied Management of Health and Fitness at Northern Michigan University. It struck me how casually she spoke of all these places. The United States, Nigeria, Spain. Countries that existed far beyond the borders of my imagination but lived comfortably in her narrative like neighbouring streets. Her life sounded like a collection of well stamped passports. Mine by contrast sounded like a repetitive radio jingle. Because my life was not as eventful, I asked more questions than I answered. She spoke with the ease of someone who was used to telling her story, but also with the caution of someone who chose what to reveal carefully. Time passed without my realising how much of it had slipped by. It was a few minutes past eleven when I looked at the time again. My eyes were getting heavy. Sleep was creeping in, slowly but steadily, like fog moving across a quiet road. I tried my best to stay alert but my mind kept drifting. I was shifting between sleeping, waking, listening, and pretending I was still listening. She did not seem to notice or she pretended not to. She continued talking about the differences between Spanish winter and Michigan winter. I was barely holding on. Then she asked, “You never asked for my name?” “What?” I muttered, snapping awake like someone who had swallowed a small firework. “You never asked for my name,” she repeated. My brain was moving slowly. I needed to produce a quick answer, something that would cover the embarrassment of my half sleep, but my thoughts were crawling. I forced out the first thing that came to mind and decorated it with false excitement, hoping it would distract her from the truth that I had been drifting. “I did not ask,” I babbled, “because I was caught up in the alluring cadences of your voice. I did not remember to ask. Your voice turns on my antenna in such a way that I am unable to send signals. My brain is fighting a muscular kind of sleep.” As the words escaped, I wished desperately that I could gather them back like spilled water. I doubted I made any sense. In fact, I was sure I did not. But she laughed. It was a soft laugh, rich and amused. “That is a very graphical naughty boy,” she said. “I will call you tomorrow. And it was inconsiderate of me to keep you awake.” She ended the call. I lay there for a moment staring at the phone screen. Then I stood up slowly and carried my plate to the kitchen. My feet felt heavy, but my mind felt strangely light. I saved her number with a name that came to me instinctively. Foreign winch. I chuckled as I watched the name appear on the screen. It felt fitting. |
| Literature › Re: Hot Soles by Roycemadeit(op): 8:43pm On Dec 02, 2025 |
Chapter One I met Titi, the daughter of the infamous Lieutenant Colonel Maduekwe, during a period of my life that felt both trivial and strangely formative. At the time, I was working as a telesales agent for a movie subscription company called Tiron Movies. A job many people considered routine, even boring, yet it had a way of testing a person’s patience and emotional stamina in ways no one outside the field truly understood. That particular day had already stretched my mental limits far beyond the usual frustration I carried home. I had called so many numbers that the digits on the board began to blur. I remember glancing at the tally sheet in front of me. Five leads completed. Eighty four numbers dialed. Not a single confirmed subscriber. The system highlighted each unsuccessful call in the same bold red colour, a shade that had begun to look like mockery. I was twelve subscribers away from the average monthly target. Twelve. A number that sometimes felt tiny and achievable, but on that day appeared like a mountain with no visible path to climb. I checked the time. Three minutes past four. My throat felt dry, my ears rang with the echo of countless rejected pitches, and my lower back ached from hours of sitting in the same stiff chair. I stood up, stretched my legs, and walked straight to the restroom. My steps felt heavy, as if the company air conditioning had become denser. In the restroom, I splashed cold water on my face, looked at my reflection, and wondered briefly if this was the life I had imagined while growing up. I massaged my neck, moved my shoulders around, and gave my flat backside a much needed five minute break from the plastic chair. When I returned to the office, Mary Anne, one of my teammates, looked up from her computer and said, “Royce, you have a missed call.” A missed call for a telesales agent is like a faint glimmer of hope. Not a promise, but a possibility. I felt my heart lift slightly, though I tried to remain composed. I cleared my throat, opened my plastic bottle, and took a small sip to wet the dryness in my mouth. Fatigue had begun to dull my voice, and that was the one thing I could not allow. I breathed in deeply, performed my little ritual of straightening my desk, and re dialed the number. The phone rang once. Then twice. Then I heard it. “Hello,” the voice said. That single word carried enough presence to make the hairs on the back of my neck stand. It was soft, but precise. Light, but commanding. A blend of accents I could not place. It rolled out with such ease that I felt instantly aware of my own breathing. “Good evening,” I began, putting on my best professional tone. “My name is Royce and I am calling from Tiron Movies. The foremost movie and entertainment service in Africa. We are calling our existing and new cus…” She cut in gently. “I already got calls from your people. I do not have time for movies either. But unlike the previous callers, I am willing to listen to you.” Her voice held a strange mixture of amusement and curiosity. A warm mystery. Something that pulled you closer without trying to. In that moment, my training, my prepared lines, and my confidence all vanished. My brain simply refused to function. I was left with nothing but that voice echoing in my mind. I opened my mouth. Nothing came out. She must have sensed my sudden disarray, because she spoke again, more softly this time. “Go on, Royce. You have my ears.” I swallowed and forced myself to gather my scattered thoughts. “May I know your name?” I asked, then quickly added, “I mean, so I can address you properly.” There was a brief silence. The kind that makes you wonder if you have made a mistake. Then she said, “I like your baritone voice, Royce. Speak to me the way you would speak to your wife.” I smiled awkwardly and replied, “Well, I do not have a wife. I am not married.” My teammates reacted instantly, turning to stare at me with surprised faces. Our team leader, Dami, raised an eyebrow so high it nearly disappeared into her hairline. Their expressions helped jolt me out of the dazed state I had fallen into. I heard a soft laugh from the other end of the line. A short, gentle sound. The kind meant to acknowledge amusement without revealing too much. “Hmmm. Go ahead, Royce,” she urged. I drew in a long breath and began again, this time with more composure. “As you might be aware, Tiron Movies is the biggest online television platform in Africa. We are currently running a special discount for both new and existing subscribers…” “I like your voice,” she said again, cutting through my pitch. I almost forgot what I was supposed to say next. I forced myself to focus. My fingers tapped nervously on the desk. “With as little as five thousand Naira,” I continued, “you will have a twelve month access to download and stream as many movies as you want without paying any extra charges...” “What you never mentioned,” she said slowly, “is that I will use my own data to download or stream. Why should I pay five thousand when I can search the internet for movies and download them for free?” She had a point. A very valid one. And it was a question we had been trained to expect from some customers, though not usually asked in such a thoughtful, almost playful manner. I swallowed lightly. “The cinema quality Nollywood movies released on Tiron Movies arrive on our platform months before other sites get them. So if you want early access to the best films, Tiron is your best option.” She asked, “What cinema quality movies do you have there?” That question hit me like a small slap. Because the truth was simple. I could not remember the last Nollywood movie I actually watched. And I certainly could not recall the titles of the top releases on our platform. My brain began scrambling for a way to maintain control of the conversation. “How much does it cost you to watch a movie at the cinema?” I asked, stalling for time while trying to recall at least one title. She chuckled. “Do not change the topic, Royce.” But strangely, she did not press further. Instead, she kept the conversation alive. We talked about movies, accents, work stress, her day, my day, and the odd places life can take a person. Each detail she revealed about herself felt intentionally vague, as though she was drawing me into a puzzle she wanted me to solve. She told me she loved stories but rarely had the patience to sit through films, especially nollywood, that they lacked imagination. She said she preferred conversations because they revealed more than a script ever could. She asked about my job, if I ever did voiceover, even what part of Nigeria I hail from. Normally, these questions would make me cautious, but something about her tone made everything feel strangely safe. I responded, howbeit offhandly, I should never be caught using the company's airtime for personal business, especially one that bothers paints romance. It was only after nearly ten minutes that she suddenly asked, “Royce, will you call me later this evening? After you close from work. So you can guide me on how to subscribe.” Her request shocked me because I was going to ask her but she beat me to it. I better keep it professional. Most customers tried to end the conversation quickly. They never invited you to call again later. I blinked at my screen, wondering if I had heard correctly. “Yes,” I replied. “I will call you.” “Good,” she said. Her voice softened, almost dropping into a whisper. “I want us to continue our conversation. I enjoyed listening to you.” The line went silent. Then she hung up. I stared at my phone for several seconds. My seatmates looked at me, then looked at each other. Mary Anne mouthed the words, “Who was that woman?” I did not know how to answer. I picked my pen and wrote down her phone number in a jotter I carried. For the rest of the day, I found it difficult to focus on any other call. My mind kept returning to her voice, her questions, the calm authority she carried without trying. The name she had not yet given me. And the strange warmth that lingered behind her words. When work closed and the office gradually emptied, I sat for a few extra minutes at my desk. I looked at the number on my call log, unsure of what exactly I felt. Curiosity? Attraction? Intrigue? Or something more complex, something unfamiliar? The sun was settling behind the distant buildings, and the colour of the sky had a gentle purple tint. I stepped outside, inhaled the evening air, and listened to the low hum of Lagos. Traffic horns. Distant murmurs. Occasional laughter drifting from a nearby shop. Then, with my heart beating faster than usual, I dialed her number again. She answered on the second ring. “Royce,” she said, almost as though she had been waiting. Her tone carried a calm certainty. |
| Literature › Hot Soles by Roycemadeit(op): 8:18pm On Dec 02, 2025 |
Epilogue I watched her for what felt like an eternity, though time refused to behave like something measurable in her presence. The room carried a peculiar stillness, the kind that settles only when someone else is quietly in control. She stood a few steps away from me, the dim light casting movements on her face that changed each time I blinked. Every shift of shadow made it seem as though she was wearing different expressions, though her actual face remained unreadable. Her fingers touched the strap of her gown, but it was not the gesture that held me. It was her eyes. They were steady, unwavering, calm in a way that unsettled more than it comforted. There was no seduction in them. No teasing. Only a deep, reflective study. I had seen mirrors that were more merciful than the stare she offered me. She lowered the strap slightly, not with the theatrics I expected but with a quietness that was almost ceremonial. Yet even that meant little compared to the weight of her gaze. She was not showing me anything. She was revealing something about the moment itself, something abstract and impossible to catch with ordinary thought. Then she paused. The silence grew dense. Her eyes held mine firmly, without a trace of hurry. That pause did something more intense than any movement she could have made. It pressed against the walls of the room. It pressed against me. I felt anticipation rise not because of desire but because of a strange recognition that something deeper was unfolding. Something psychological. Something that seemed to place my mind under inspection rather than my body. I tried to step closer, driven by an impulse I could not explain. But I stopped abruptly. The cuffs held me. My wrists were bound. My legs were restricted. I had known this earlier, yet for some reason the reality of it only fully claimed my attention in that moment. It was as though my mind had temporarily edited the restraints out of my awareness until she forced me to remember them again. She tilted her head slightly, studying the confusion that crossed my face. There was no smile, but there was the suggestion of one. Not amusement, but acknowledgement. She understood exactly what was happening inside me. “You always notice the wrong things first,” she said quietly. Her voice flowed like water moving through a narrow path. It did not raise itself above the stillness of the room. It belonged to the stillness. I could not tell if she was mocking me, teaching me, or simply observing me out loud. She began to walk around me, slow and deliberate. I felt her presence more than I heard her. She did not touch me. She did not whisper. Yet each step seemed to pull a memory out of some hidden corner of my consciousness. The more she moved, the less certain I became of what this night truly represented. At the back of my neck I sensed her breath, though I could not be sure if she was close enough for it. The air felt altered behind me, as if something passed through it with intention. My heart reacted before my mind could analyse the sensation. “You think you came here for one thing,” she murmured, though she remained behind me where I could not see her. “But you have never been entirely honest with yourself.” Her words struck a chord I did not expect. They were not about the moment. They were about me. About the parts of myself I preferred to leave unexamined. The parts she had always seen long before I admitted they existed. She moved back into my line of sight. Her face stayed calm, almost serene, but the serenity felt dangerous. She crouched slightly to align her eyes with mine. The closeness forced me into an uncomfortable awareness of how exposed I felt, not physically but mentally. Like she had peeled away every assumption I carried into the room. “You want clarity,” she said. “But you fear the kind of truth that does not flatter you.” I swallowed, though the room seemed too quiet for even that small sound. “You could free yourself if you wanted to,” she added, looking briefly at my restraints. “Yet you do not.” The statement rose inside me like a challenge. I tried to move again, harder this time, but the cuffs did not break. She watched the effort with the same calm expression, and I suddenly realised something unsettling. I was not sure if the restraints were as strong as they felt, or if I had simply accepted them as unbreakable because she expected me to. She sat on the edge of the bed with a poise that carried authority without force. Her eyes never left mine. There was no cruelty in her, but there was no softness either. She seemed to exist in a place beyond either. “This is not punishment,” she said. “It is revelation. And revelations are rarely gentle.” The room felt heavier with each second. The boundaries of the moment seemed to stretch, as though reality itself was being pulled into a shape I could not recognise. I felt as if she was guiding me toward some inner truth I had avoided for years, a truth that waited patiently for her to uncover it. “You have spent your life trying to lead moments,” she continued. “Tonight, you are required to witness one instead.” The words settled into me with a weight I could not ignore. The realisation that followed was quiet but powerful. I had not lost control. I had handed it over long before I understood the consequences. I had surrendered not to her actions, but to her understanding of me. And as she sat before me, watching with eyes that saw more than I intended to show, I knew without question that this night was not the end of anything. It was the beginning of a truth I had run from for too long. A truth she had chosen to reveal in her own time, in her own way, and with her own measure of mystery. In that suspended moment, bound by more than rope, I understood what it meant to be seen completely. And I realised that some revelations are more haunting than any darkness could ever be. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: When People Die. Where Do They Go. I Want To Know. by Roycemadeit(m): 8:20am On Nov 27, 2025 |
MaxInDHouse:Yes, you have silenced me, with facts, of course. You can define knowingness; now try defining belief and faith, and show me how they connect to reality... |
| Christianity Etc › Re: When People Die. Where Do They Go. I Want To Know. by Roycemadeit(m): 7:59am On Nov 27, 2025 |
MaxInDHouse:Not my unbelief  ... It's my knowingness |
| Christianity Etc › Re: When People Die. Where Do They Go. I Want To Know. by Roycemadeit(m): 7:49am On Nov 27, 2025 |
MaxInDHouse:I agree... Illusion is better than Reality |
| Christianity Etc › Re: When People Die. Where Do They Go. I Want To Know. by Roycemadeit(m): 7:48am On Nov 27, 2025 |
MaxInDHouse:I am sorry you had to be conditioned this way. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: When People Die. Where Do They Go. I Want To Know. by Roycemadeit(m): 11:30pm On Nov 26, 2025 |
MaxInDHouse: This is precisely why you would never know but remain believers |
| Christianity Etc › Re: When People Die. Where Do They Go. I Want To Know. by Roycemadeit(m): 11:23pm On Nov 26, 2025 |
@MaxinDHouse If child killing is evil, then how do we explain the deaths of babies in Sodom and Gomorrah, or the children among the Midianites, who had done nothing? These stories show judgment falling not only on guilty adults but on infants who had no agency, no choices, and no “sins” of their own. If the Creator is loving and just, why is the repeated solution the destruction of children? It should trouble anyone who claims to value life that divine punishment so often targets the most innocent, and pretending that this is moral simply because it is written in a holy book does not make it right. The point is simple: when I speak as a human being with human feelings, you respond like something programmed to ignore that conscience. You failed the Litmus test because you justify the killing of babies and pillaging of others once the command is attributed to God, even though if any human being did the same thing to your own child, you would never accept it as divine. That double standard is exactly why Christianity collapses under its own weight: it demands that people silence their moral instinct whenever Scripture contradicts it, and in doing so, it turns believers into something less than human. Any faith that requires you to suspend your conscience in order to defend cruelty is not truth. It is conditioning. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: When People Die. Where Do They Go. I Want To Know. by Roycemadeit(m): 11:16pm On Nov 26, 2025 |
MaxInDHouse:It is false to say the people of Og worshipped Molech or burned babies, because nothing in Scripture links them to such acts. What is even more troubling is the contradiction in the story itself. God is said to have destroyed nations for sacrificing children to a demon, yet the same God later offers His own Son as a sacrifice to Himself. If killing a child in worship is evil when others do it, how does it become holy when God does it? You also have to ask if destruction was really the best way to deal with people who worshipped other gods. Israel itself constantly turned to strange gods and idols, but God did not wipe them out each time. He warned them, punished them, forgave them, and allowed them to continue. So why were other communities destroyed completely for what Israel also did many times? The standard is not consistent. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: When People Die. Where Do They Go. I Want To Know. by Roycemadeit(m): 4:01pm On Nov 26, 2025 |
MaxInDHouse:Don't conclude for me, justify their extermination. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: When People Die. Where Do They Go. I Want To Know. by Roycemadeit(m): 4:00pm On Nov 26, 2025 |
MaxInDHouse:Confuse people like me? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: When People Die. Where Do They Go. I Want To Know. by Roycemadeit(m): 3:34pm On Nov 26, 2025 |
MaxInDHouse: Slavery didn’t end because God suddenly condemned it; it ended because people finally opened their eyes, questioned the cruelty they had normalised for centuries, revolted against it, and refused to keep playing along with a system that treated humans like property. If humanity had stayed quiet, obedient, and gullible, the same “format of slavery” would have continued without interruption, because nothing in the religious texts was going to magically rewrite itself. It was human conscience, not divine intervention, that killed that version slavery, and the moment people became aware, responsible, and unwilling to be controlled, the whole structure collapsed under the weight of its own wickedness. What happened to your version of slavery cuz that wasn't what I was talking about. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: When People Die. Where Do They Go. I Want To Know. by Roycemadeit(m): 3:30pm On Nov 26, 2025 |
MaxInDHouse:😂... Even your creator is a slave master. So why should it end for you |
| Christianity Etc › Re: When People Die. Where Do They Go. I Want To Know. by Roycemadeit(m): 3:26pm On Nov 26, 2025 |
MaxInDHouse: Very Good You failed the test. You aren't human. When it was an analogy of man pillaging and murdering to the happiness of his tribe, you were quick to say a good fellow would not partake in enjoying the spoils, but as soon as it was God in the mix, then it's good that they are exterminated. Well, some people are killing and pillaging according to their God's commandments... Hope you don't condemn them either |
| Christianity Etc › Re: When People Die. Where Do They Go. I Want To Know. by Roycemadeit(m): 3:06pm On Nov 26, 2025 |
MaxInDHouse:You see how you shifted accountability to conclude slavery would never stop, just so you could state that man's effort to make life better is futile... Slavery was justified by Christian enslavers and when the slaves began revolting and not adhering to "slaves obey your masters" slavery stopped. They didn't wait for God's Kingdom to come, it was a response to a reality... Instead of dealing with situations around you to make it better, you rather do nothing but wait until God's Kingdom come... |
| Christianity Etc › Re: When People Die. Where Do They Go. I Want To Know. by Roycemadeit(m): 2:52pm On Nov 26, 2025 |
Truthseeker10:Kindly share the ultimate standard |
| Christianity Etc › Re: When People Die. Where Do They Go. I Want To Know. by Roycemadeit(m): 2:50pm On Nov 26, 2025 |
MaxInDHouse:😂 Exactly my point... They did nothing and you can't tell me what they did either... And yet you justify their extermination... You see how religion is messed up? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: When People Die. Where Do They Go. I Want To Know. by Roycemadeit(m): 8:21am On Nov 26, 2025 |
MaxInDHouse:God, through Christ and the apostles, instructed slaves to obey their earthly masters, even when harsh (Ephesians 6:5–8; Colossians 3:22–24; 1 Peter 2:18). Christ did not condemn slavery; Today, our sense of justice and freedom exists independently of these instructions. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: When People Die. Where Do They Go. I Want To Know. by Roycemadeit(m): 8:14am On Nov 26, 2025 |
MaxInDHouse:Very Good, Let's run a litmus test God commanded the Israelites to kill every man, woman, and child in Bashan under King Og. You had never touched them, never provoked them, and still you were slaughtered and your land taken (Deuteronomy 3:1–6). Was God a sadist? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: When People Die. Where Do They Go. I Want To Know. by Roycemadeit(m): 8:02am On Nov 26, 2025 |
MaxInDHouse:I do not know if I can keep engaging this. People brought religion to us and did things their own scriptures approved, even slaves had bibles , yet I am expected to hold a grudge against God or Satan. I do not care about either. Eternity means nothing to me. What is the point of eternal life? Happiness without sadness has no context, you'll need opposites to know one. Endless existence without contrast is emptiness.The fear and greed that fuel Christianity are childish to me. I will not live like a coward because someone threatened me with eternal fire or promised me streets of gold. None of it is real. If heaven were real, it would not look like ancient human fantasies filled with trumpets, gold, and robes. Muslim heaven has horses and feasts. Christian heaven has gold and giant-sized fairies. These are not divine visions. They are human imaginations. People live here on earth, yet spend their lives obsessed with another world they cannot see. Good for them. I hope they reach their heaven or their hell. As for me, I will not be in either. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: When People Die. Where Do They Go. I Want To Know. by Roycemadeit(m): 7:50am On Nov 26, 2025 |
MaxInDHouse:A man whose purpose is to bring happiness to those around him goes to others, murders and pillages their land. Then, brings the spoils home, and his community is happy and joyous. Meanwhile, the people he took from suffer in pain and tears. Is this not the purpose you just defined? Is he not a sadist? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: When People Die. Where Do They Go. I Want To Know. by Roycemadeit(m): 7:38am On Nov 26, 2025 |
MaxInDHouse:Same reason why another finds purpose in Allah, and turns terrorist. I have given my life a purpose, if I didn't define what life is to me, I would have quit living. I wrote that culture gives life a purpose, let me extend it by adding that it gives deities like God or Allah a purpose too As a Christian, your purpose is to worship God. Then those who aren't Christians have no purpose or perhaps have a wrong purpose... |
| Christianity Etc › Re: When People Die. Where Do They Go. I Want To Know. by Roycemadeit(m): 7:17am On Nov 26, 2025 |
Truthseeker10:Life has no inherent purpose until you give it one. If you truly knew the purpose of life, you would not search for it in a book. Defining your existence by a text written centuries after humanity began suggests that everyone who lived before it had no purpose, even those who wrote the book. Life does not come with a pre-written meaning; you awaken, open your eyes, and you are here. You alone give your life meaning. Culture, not a book, shapes the way life is lived. It defines life and gives it context. Searching for purpose in a book is a shortcut that ignores your own humanity. Morality and understanding of right and wrong should arise from your experience, not from pages written by men centuries ago. Beyond religion, ethnicity, or race, you are a human being. You feel pain, joy, love, and loss just as any other person does. When you read accounts of violence, injustice, or oppression in those texts and justify them, yet react with emotion when seeing similar acts in real life or in movies, it becomes obvious that religion has warped your sense of morality. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: When People Die. Where Do They Go. I Want To Know. by Roycemadeit(m): 7:01am On Nov 26, 2025 |
MaxInDHouse:I am not here to soften the truth. If God wanted His message clear, it would not have been buried under centuries of translation, debate, and human tampering. The Bible did not descend from heaven; it was written, edited, and selected by men. A message that must be endlessly reinterpreted cannot condemn anyone for misunderstanding it. Timothy’s claim that “all Scripture is inspired by the Holy Spirit” never meant the Bible as we know it. That collection did not exist. Yet today, believers defend contradictions, moral conflicts, and endless reinterpretations as divine truth. Thousands of churches read the same book and preach different doctrines, each selecting different portions from God’s imperfect words that syncs with their ideal of perfection. Let's shine candlelight: Catholics don't agree with Jehovah Witness, just as Abel Damina is deemed a reprobate by fellow Christians... Satan, often blamed for evil, is only performing traits God created. If God watches while destruction unfolds, He shows a love even for the devil that many humans never receive. The cosmic battle looks less like justice and more like an experiment, with humans as pawns, God and Satan playing their roles. Christianity itself spread on violence, conquest, and coercion. Guns, chains, whips, and Bibles brought people to the faith. Brutality, manipulation and indoctrination enforced conversion, yet believers speak of the gospel as THE GOOD NEWS!!! Everything we know, everything we call divine, was shaped, interpreted, and maintained by human hands, from the divinity of Christ, to the canonisation of the books that made it to the bible and clarification of doctrine. If God remains silent while His words are twisted, authority rests not in heaven but in the mind of the interpreter. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: When People Die. Where Do They Go. I Want To Know. by Roycemadeit(m): 11:04pm On Nov 25, 2025 |
MaxInDHouse:"I am in shock that you know snakes don't eat sand?" So, God kept Satan out of heaven to come to earth to get all the allowances he might desire?  And it was called the tree of the fruit of knowledge... So, in the creation story, when God made on the first day is actually refering to what he made in 1000 years, so day and night are like 2000 years? Peter don enter God eyes to know that God doesn't see night only day... The sun shines for a 1000 years apparently |
| Christianity Etc › Re: When People Die. Where Do They Go. I Want To Know. by Roycemadeit(m): 8:24pm On Nov 25, 2025 |
MaxInDHouse:I have peace, you don't gotta wish it... God said they would die after eating it, well they didn't die. If they don't know good and bad, how then can they differentiate between the two? But, here is the baffling thing, God made a garden, and didn't put a gate to keep the devil out... He instead made a gate to keep Adam and Eve out, lest they eat of the tree of Life... He punished Adam, Eve and serpent... Funny, how serpents don't eat sand but rats, rodents and the likes... They they believe fables as reality, look woman get 1 rib... |
| Christianity Etc › Re: When People Die. Where Do They Go. I Want To Know. by Roycemadeit(m): 6:39pm On Nov 25, 2025 |
MaxInDHouse:I wonder what Satan says... If God permits it, then you could say God is using Satan and by extension that is God behind "these acts." |
| Christianity Etc › Re: When People Die. Where Do They Go. I Want To Know. by Roycemadeit(m): 6:37pm On Nov 25, 2025 |
[quote author=Truthseeker10 post=137590294][/quote]Life has no purpose except the one you give to it. I used culture to define it, as it is defined as a way of life. Are you saying that those who didn't know about God, don't have a concept of wrong and right? |
