₦airaland Forum

FBS:
RSA, pls don't start what you cannot finish, ok? But if you want to take a ride, be my guest!

Ok I'm your guest

Witi:
I think we should exploit other sporting events like rugby, cricket, Archery, Water polo, Canoeing (Niger delta people), Fencing and let us forget about football.

Please do,then you will know the might of SA

FBS:
Just try and watch yesterdays match and you will understand what I'm saying.

Blame it on the MRI
Blame it on the booze
Blame it on the lack of talent

But don't blame it on the re-re-referee

FBS:
Of course they are going to "play" Tahiti . They have no other choice.

@FBS are you the same guy,after SA drew with UAE you said you where not even aware that they play football there? .Let me tell you they do,and they are the current Asian champions in this age group.

Venezuela won 8-0 against Tahiti,lets see if your best 11 out of 160 millions population can beat 11 out of 100 thousand population . T

The demise of Nigeria,part 2

Tell your Nollyhood people to work on that script,useless nation

Rebarobyn:
This thread is not about Nigeria being a small brother or SA being a big brother, neither is it about Nigeria being overrated. It is about the reasons why Nigerians don't tap into the SA market. it is people like you that start all these SA-Nigeria arguments.

You said SA peeps know how to bring Nigerians to the earth, I'm in shock , please enlighten me by telling me how

Yes it is true that the author was not trying to compare Naija ans SA but look at the the reaction he got from your country man,I think I know the Puleza from the other forum,he's a pure guy who wanted to see Naija people in SA taking opportunities in South Africa that are available,what he is saying is Naija people in South Africa have a bad reputation,remember that before 1990 black SA didn't know Nigerians,the first Nigerians we saw was when we where playing each other in 93,I remember all my friends had Nigerians names I was called Yekini(because of my goal scoring nstincts )

People loved Nigerians,we supported them during USA world cup in 94,and here at home we had William Okpara who was playing for Orlando Pirates and Sam Pam Jr who was the captain,we had Raphael Ndukwe Chukwu who was a goal scoring machine for mamelodi sundown.People loved Nigeria,and most wanted to know more about it,cause everything they saw about it was good.

But then came influx of Nigerians who moslty stayed in Hillbrow,you'll find them in street coner ask you ;my broda do you wanna do business? meaning do you want drugs or stolen cellphone? or God knows what.People perception started changing,they start opening crook churches to steal from the elderly.Yes there are doctors in our Hospitals,and some other professionals in our economy but they are minority,and perception still stand.

Puleza was trying to say Nigerians are already in charge of Hillbrow,why don't they invest in it,make it a place where me and whoever can go to and dine on Naija foods,or buy Naija clothes.right now it's a no go area for a typical South African.and thats where most of our problems come from.

Well done to South Africa,

Europeans are clever'o,they'll tell you all this horrifying stories about South Africa,I mean they'll say SA is the capital of rape,hiv,murder and all other nasty things and yet their people are flocking into SA for holidays and business.

Now who is stupid here?with all this negetive reporting SA is still growing and making money.

Haters go die in hell.

morpheus24:
Na WA Oh

This SA/NAIJA BEEF NO DEy STOP.

Everything said on each of the responses in this thread have been recycled over and over again.

Una no dey tire.

We dey tire much much
There is no love lost between this two brothers.
Until Naija peeps accept the fact that SA is a bigger brother,This beef will turn into mutton
You Naijas overrate yourself in everything,and SA peepps knows how to bring you guys to the earth.

@Puleza I know what you where trying to do,and this is not the place or type of people you should be engaging.People here are too defensive,they think with their mouth.

I think this whole thing of black South Africans being lazy is a myth,it's a lie.South Africans are some of the hardworking Africans on the continent.South Africa is where it is today because of this hardworking people.

I think this lazy myth started by whites who where recruiting desperate illigal immigrants who are easily exploited.And whites in South Africa love the divide and rule tactic,They've used it against Zulus and Xhosa.

We have a history in this country of people being exploited,it was ok during aapartheid days but it's not now.We have labour laws that protect vulnarable people,and if South Africans demand a better working enviroment,living standard wage and if that is called lazy, then so be it. But don't expect South Africans to be friendly to their brother who goes to this companies and take a half of what a local demand,because this is undermining the very thing that we fought for,for 300 years.

And if all immigrants come to SA with the mentality that say,the local are lazy,without finding or learning about the history and politics of their host then I tell you now that xenophobia will never end.

As much as South Africans don't know the much about Africa9becasue of aapartheid) the little they know from Africans they meet in their country is not too pleasent.And something must be done.

yoruba:
Although SA is hosting the world cup, we just need an african country to win it, Or maybe South Africa might do it , lol

,who knows,but we must start by firing Joel Natalino Santana,we need another coach quickly,I am thinking Amodu or SiaSia .
I think Nigeria is not appreciating Amodu enough,I mean since the qualification this guys has not lost a game and if Nigeria is not sucking him,they will qualify ahead of Tunisia.Yes I said it,keep Amodu,you have two games left,there's a big possibility.

I know that Mozambique(my father's land) play very well at home,and after winning against Kenya there is a big buzz around the country and they want to win all their remaining matches,so that they can qualify for Angola and maybe the world cup

yoruba:
@RSA
South Africa Im with you on that one, probably they gonna reach the Semi-finals again,
and oh congrats to the South African(The Springboks) rugby team ranked no. 1 in the world truly representing africa well done.
Now lets hope for the Proteas (South African cricket team) ranked no. 1 in the world win the Champions Trophy held in SA.

Yes my brother,an African nation is NUMBER one in the world in Rugby and test and oneday cricket.And I think we should be proud about and brag about it.

I will be supporting the Vuvusela boys Bafana Bafana fo sho.Mzansi rock

VuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuVuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuselaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Woza 2010

mukina2:
you just don't want to start with me today of all days

Muki ok wrong topic but you know I like Sierra leone,you the bangura's
You guys have one of the nicest name,it sound like a beautiful woman's name Sierra, Lione
I love your country,you should invite me

EVER since being introduced to the concept of “intent” by my kopdokter friend and colleague, Dr Francois Hugo, I’ve found it an intriguing one. When asked “What is your or their intent?” it becomes particularly instructive. So, for example, when attending a meeting or observing others in a meeting, try to fathom your and their intent — is it to be critical, constructive, subversive, obstructive, informing, neutral or positive? And what does this say about the underlying sentiment and purpose? Similarly in life, the first question that comes to a father’s mind when observing a boyfriend’s relationship with his daughter is: “What is this fellow’s intent?”

With this in mind I thought it worth discussing the concept in terms of the relationship between certain sectors of the media and our country. To date, I must say I have found it difficult to understand exactly what their intent is and am hoping for some clarity on the issue. And it’s not as if it is a new one.

Consider this example, from a couple of years ago. Over one weekend Hendrik Ramaala won the New York Marathon, Retief Goosen beat Tiger Woods and the Springboks trumped the All Blacks. The Monday headline in a leading daily newspaper read “Wife murders husband’s lover”. What was the intent towards SA? In what sentiment was this rooted and what was its purpose?

I would submit that the sentiment was negative and the intent destructive in terms of the national psyche. Contrast that with Australia, which, whether we like it or not, has built a very positive country brand. Here, I daresay, the headlines for the next three days would have been about an Aussie hat-trick of golds, with the squalid murder “story” being relegated to where it belonged.

The point is that the Australian brand, rooted in the idea of a “winning nation”, is sacrosanct. There is a common intent: to build on this in a constructive and positive way.

Brazil is also an interesting comparison. Like us, it is a so-called developing country but one whose image is clearly one of “Samba, rhumba and fun in the sun”, despite the well- known problems with crime.

So where did the “truism“ about “bad news sells” originate? I don’t know, but it is patently self-serving and bears no scrutiny.

With this in mind, my question to SA’s media is: “What is your intent?” With what sentiment is that headline written; what is the purpose of its placement?

Why would Business Day feature Kimi Raikkonen’s win on the Monday after the Boks won the 2007 Rugby World Cup?

Why was Dale Steyn’s integrity called into question by Beeld and The Times so quickly over a totally unsubstantiated allegation?

And while you consider your response, let me make it perfectly clear that this is not some kind of naive plea for cotton-wool propaganda. It is simply to challenge those who choose to be negative and destructive as opposed to positive and constructive — and, let’s face it, there is the world of difference between being positively critical, which is constructive, and negative intent, which is destructive.

Let me cite another example, a little more recent and topical. “Confed Cup Team Robbed” read the headline in The Star. This on the day Bafana Bafana were due to play Spain in a crucial Confederations Cup match in Bloemfontein. Let’s deal with the headline first and then placing of the story. First, the headline was factually incorrect as the article (or part of it) was about an alleged theft, not robbery — a big difference. And the story itself was purely speculative, as subsequent findings revealed. So there was a negative sensationalist sentiment — robbery vs theft — which was destructive in its purpose. Surely the interests of the nation would have been better served with a headline wishing Bafana Bafana well as they took on the top team in the world, with the dodgy theft story relegated to where it belonged until the facts emerged.

What is particularly irksome is how quickly the bandwagon of success is climbed when predictions of failure are proven wrong (simultaneously identifying another target in the hope that, this time, failure will prevail). Witness the reporting of the Confederations Cup — a sow’s ear became a silk purse, with a 75% pass mark from Fifa.

With this in mind, and as next year’s Soccer World Cup approaches, I think it fair to ask: what exactly is the media’s intent? Will we continue to see negative sentiment, with the intent of wanting us to fail?

Will we see the usual suspects of crime, security and transport dominating, knowing that the more those are highlighted as problems locally, the more they will be picked up internationally. In fact, it is interesting to note that foreign journalists often say the reason for our poor image abroad is because of negative local reporting, so it’s clear the problem starts at home.

So how about a new deal for 2010 based on positive sentiment and constructive intent. One that seeks to help our country succeed as we audaciously box above our weight yet again. One that helps us meet the challenging objective of staging a wonderfully memorable, world-class World Cup. One that help build our country’s brand in a way that mirrors the pride we all have in our achievements as a nation.

By all means be critical but let your intent be positive, and before placing that headline, ask the simple question: w ill this help our country in this cause or will it fuel negativity and self-doubt locally and abroad? Surely when the event is over it will be more satisfying to feel that you played a constructive role in its success rather than being proven wrong again or — worse — revelling in the unlikely event of our failure.

To date, SA has had two miracles, economic and political. The third — social cohesion — awaits, and this is what the World Cup will help to deliver. So let’s get to it.

Carstens is FirstRand ’s brand director, seconded to the 2010 Soccer World Cup as chief marketing officer of the l ocal o rganising c ommittee.

Sierra leone

Why was Nkenna telling Mozambiquen and Malawian chicks that they look Nigerian? What is Nigerian look? Black people look alike,
I like all the chicks ,Mozambique and Angola rocks

tkb417:
i was wondering why we didnt bribe the REF after they equalized?
or better still, disallow the goal, when FIFA bans him, we'll just give him a million dollars

now, we are crying. Yaradua and NFF dey crase sef

But the REF did his duty by not giving Tunisia their penalty in the first half,after Taibo handle the ball in the eighten yard.Tunisia were robbed,they should have won the game.

I really enjoyed the presentations from most of the house mates,the guys look focus for now.I just want to see what will happen when the ladies come this sunday

Guys who do you think the ladies will replace? I mean there are 14 guys,I know that one Kenyan and Uguandan will be replaced by ladies,but where other five spot will be coming from.

Do you think for a example,they will replace a South Africcan guy with a south african girl to balance things out?

http://www.truecrimexpo.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=164&Itemid=83

Crime Information Management - South African Police Service


Murder in the RSA per Province between April and March: 2001/2002 to
2007/2008

http://www.saps.gov.za/statistics/reports/crimestats/2008/march_april_2001_2008/catagory/murder.pdf

Attempted murder in the RSA per Province between April and March:
2001/2002 to 2007/2008
http://www.saps.gov.za/statistics/reports/crimestats/2008/march_april_2001_2008/catagory/att_murder.pdf

Rape in the RSA per Province for April to DECEMBER 2001 to 2007

http://www.saps.gov.za/statistics/reports/crimestats/2008/march_april_2001_2008/catagory/rape.pdf

dayokanu:
True Nigerians are better at playing whites

e.g Denmark 4 Nigeria 1

How about Nigeria used to be better when playing whites,I think we all aggrees that the current bunch are riding on the old generation's shine.

The best teams will qualify in the pitch,loosers will qualify with their mouth.

Mozambique,Angola and South African woman do it for me everytime.in East Africa in terms of western look Ethopia,Eiritria,Somalia tops but Kenya,Uganda and chad are the ugliest which ever way you look at them(western or African look)
West Africa Senegal tops,Ghana got the booty,I'm not sure about Naija

fellis:
@RSA,
What does this topic have to do with Nigerian politics? Or didn't you see the name of the board you opened before you started the topic?
Please have it removed from here fast.
Wetin concern us concern your South Africans? Don't we have enough problems of our own to worry about?

Put your spear down now'o Omo,I'm sure the moderator will send it to the right section.I apologise and beside I thought we're all Africans,or am I a foreigner here?

morpheus24:
RSA is a true South African I can vouch for that one. im no be Ghana boy o!

How did you know Mr Mo?is it because of my bad english?

Anyway why people are not making noise about Jacob Cross?,it is created by South Africans and have local actors acting Naija pips role,or is because it's about a wealthy Ngerian family? some one could sit here and scream murder because that's not the true reflection of Naijaa family.

District 9 is just a movie,stupid movie that will be forgotten as soon as it leave the box office.So why make noise.

I am not gonna go to comparing our two countries that debate is soo unoriginal and old.And I'v learned that Naijja-SA beef is not about jelousy or hatred is about respect and power.That's all I'm willing to say.

http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=6&art_id=vn20090901040349609C242817

By Craig Mckune

A South African man has been granted refugee status by Canada's immigration and refugee board, which has found "clear and convincing proof" he was persecuted for being white.

Brandon Huntley, 31, "would stand out like a 'sore thumb' due to his colour in any part of the country", the board's panel chair, William Davis, said in his decision.

Huntley, who grew up in Mowbray, said he had been attacked seven times and stabbed four times "by African South Africans" between 1991 and 2003.

Davis found he "was a victim because of his race rather than a victim of criminality".

He said the evidence offered by Huntley, immigration lawyer Russell Kaplan and witness Lara Kaplan, who emigrated to Canada last year, "shows a picture of indifference and inability or unwillingness of the government and security forces to protect white South Africans from persecution by African South Africans".
Canadian High Commission spokeswoman Valery Yiptong said on Monday night that the Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada (IRB) functioned much like the South African Home Affairs' sub-directorate for refugee affairs.

Davis is a member of the board's refugee protection division.

Huntley first travelled to Canada on a six-month work permit in 2004 and worked as a carnival attendant. He went back to Canada in 2005 and, after his work permit expired, he stayed on illegally until making his refugee claim in April last year.

Huntley told the tribunal he had been called "a white dog" and "a settler" when attacked.

He had not reported any of the attacks to the police because "the majority of them are South Africans and he did not trust them".

Huntley also said he had been able to find employment only because of family connections. He was otherwise prohibited from finding work by the country's affirmative action policies.

"Upon his return to South Africa (at the end of 2004), he knew that he could not survive there any more. He was constantly afraid and he knew there was no future from a security (and financial) point of view because of his skin colour", the decision said, noting Huntley's allegations.

Testifying before the tribunal, Russell Kaplan's sister, Lara Kaplan, told how their brother Robert had been tortured and shot three times by a group of black South Africans who had broken into his home.

Davis said he found Huntley a credible witness as his story was consistent and "plausible". Lara Kaplan's testimony enhanced and supported his claims that "persecution of white South Africans by African South Africans (is) a common event today in South Africa".

Russell Kaplan, who moved from South Africa to Canada in 1989, called Davis's finding a "landmark case".

But SA Human Rights Commission (SAHRC) chief executive Tseliso Thipanyane said unless the decision was endorsed by Canada's supreme court, it would not be considered a reflection of that country's position.

"I find the finding rather odd, actually," he said last night. "The commission will not dispute the fact that there are white people who are attacked by black people on the basis of racism, but it also happens the other way round.

"And the majority of victims of crime in the country are not white people."

On the question of affirmative action, Thipanyane referred to a recent SAHRC survey that found that 61 percent of the top positions in companies on the Johannesburg Stock Exchange were occupied by white males.

Kaplan said he had considered the prospect of bringing such an application before the IRB before meeting Huntley, but this had not seemed possible.

"This was the case that I had been waiting for," he said.

Feraz:
@rsa,
go n watch "the senator" n "broad day light". How cud i 4gt what about amazing grace, ijele, a cry for help? V u watchd it? These are reality movies, things that happen. How many african countries have u seen producing sci-fic movies?

I really hope to do that,that's my wish,to see a well produced modern movie from Nigerian Film Industry-NFI.
Regarding the sci-fi movies in Africa,do you mean Africans can't do it or they don't like it?I say we love sci-fi movies in Africa,and we should also create our own that can rival the best inthe world.Just because w're Africans doen't mean we have to set our standard too low,lets compete with the best in the field even if we come last we would take solace in knowing that we are beaten by the best and we are part of them and we can improve,and there is a hope.
Don't come with a cheap lazy product just because it's African,meaning it's a third world product.Naija must lead the way,not take us back,you said you're leaders lead then.

You know the other day my wife  called me laughing because there was a Nigerian 'movie' called Bafana Bafana on chanell 114 DSTV,I don't know what it was all about,cause I was not interested,but the 'movie' had a nice name ,I could have watched for Bafana Bafana's sake but I am not that brave

Nigerians 'movies are a joke,maybe instead of sitting here and defending the very same thing that do the damage to your reputation as a modern/civilised country- what good do you think this 'movies' do to your image as a country?What impression do you give to outside people through your 'movies'?

I will tell you what I think,I think it say Nigerians are backwards,they are atleast 30 years behind time.It's not about a storylines but the whole productions,it's amateurish,it's cheap,lack credebility,lack creativity,it's say Nigerians are lazy thinkers.

Do you have action,thrillers,horror,Sci-fi or comedy movies? or you have all in one type of movies?
Maybe that is why you think just the mentioning of Nigeria as charectors in a movie will do harm to your nation's image,because all  your homemade vidios are based on some of your own people,greed,witchcraft,corrupt priest/pastors and leaders.

I am happy that we(South Africans) are wise enough to know that there is a fiction and there are true stories,but it's our choice to believe in what we want.District 9 is a beautiful movie,that is putting SA in the map again for all possitive reason.Giant of Africa is in South .

Personally I think is just a writer being creative,It could have been any nation,but I think he use Nigerians because it's the most populous nation in Africa,everybody know's that there is country called Nigeria.There are many movies about some nationalities before,I mean Russians as the bad guys,also in war movies where Chinese are often killed like ants and they keep popping out,Italians as mafias,Africans as hungry war mongers.

I mean making movies is about creativity,it is arts,it's telling story using your imagination.And this is just a fiction,If you think people will start thinking Nigerians feeds on human because they watched the movie then those people heads must be examined period.

Why didn’t the world make a noise about Navratilova?IS IT a girl? Is it a boy? Is it a woman? Is it a man?
So many questions and only one answer really. Caster Semenya is the world 800m champion. Case closed. Finish and klaar.




It is just not athletics when the biggest day in the life of an 18-year-old village girl is shrouded in a scandal that shrinks her sweet moment and sinks it in a sewer of jealousy, envy and bigotry.
I say jealousy, envy and bigotry because the creators of the controversy that casts doubt on Caster’s gender say racism does not enter their equation.
The controversy creators happen to be of Western and European origin and, boy, do I not believe them when they distance themselves from the evils of race.
Why? Because one of their own, Martina Navratilova — the lady who makes Mick Jagger look drop-dead gorgeous — was not necessarily feminine in her heyday as tennis queen. Note the use of words “lady” and “queen”.
When the world was told Navratilova was a woman, the world did not question it.
Strange, don’t you think, that when a girl from rural Polokwane makes it big in 2009, all manner of gists (gynaecologists, psychologists, endocrinologists) creep out from nowhere, vigorously seeking to verify her sex.
Caster’s crime is that she has boyish looks.
I submit that all these gists had no shadow of doubt in their minds, when they watched Navratilova win Wimbledon after Wimbledon, that she was not a Bobby on the beat.
Navratilova was the undisputed and unquestioned QUEEN of the tennis courts, her masculine body, mannish looks and fetish for the female folk notwithstanding .
And remember, this has got nothing whatsoever to do with race.
Race is also apparently no factor in the screaming headlines about Semenya’s sexuality that stole the show from her scintillating achievement at the World Athletics Championships.
Whether she has more male chromosomes is a matter between Semenya and her God.
Most of those who are making a mockery of her magnificent feat around the world and here at home hail from the Christian world.
Their actions since Semenya took the world by storm unwittingly reveal their hypocrisy, since Christianity preaches against judgment.
Some Russian and Italian women are saying she is definitely a man.
That is the sound of truckloads of sour grapes, buckets full of envy and jealousy.
They cannot stomach defeat, especially to an African monkey.
Some say this is not about looks.
Hell, it is about looks and Semenya looks too damn good showing them a clean pair of heels on the track.
They don’t mind losing, but when they lose to a black girl it leaves a bitter taste in the mouth.
It becomes a bitter pill to swallow because they are left to mutter she must be a man.
Thank God the curtain has fallen on the World Athletics Championships. I have been having nightmares since all those East European Amazons, who make Ollie le Roux look like Barbie, have been invading my telly.


You must be at the OR Tambo airport today to welcome back home not a boy wonder, but our very own golden girl.