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Nihilist:
Dude, like I said let's live it.

Music is a matter of subjective tastes anyway.

I can't go into this discussion with you because you're really not grounded in hiphop, and won't be able to discuss the reference points because as you admit, you either don't know or haven't listened to these guys anyway.

If you don't know who K dot is, what discussion are we even having?

Let's just leave it there. Good night.

P.s Monch had a hugely commercial hit with 'Simon Says' and featured on Linkin Park's multi-platinum selling album....kinda blurs the line between commercial and non-commercial don't you think?

Well goodnight

Run along.

Nihilist:
To be honest, It's kinda difficult to get into this discussion if you don't know the artists I mentioned, or haven't listened to the back catalogs of the artistes i mentioned that you do know...

Let's just leave the convo here...

Now we are leaving the convo because I admitted to not knowing two artists you mentioned. You are the one who seems to be running for the hills man and want to appear as if you are in the know before you can get exposed. U seem to have wanted a way out of the convo the minute the facts stared u in the face. The excuse you used for backing out was lame. You could have debated the facts I mentioned and I gave paragraphs and paragraphs of facts which you could have debated but were so heavy for you, probably because you didn't know half the stuff I told you about and before getting exposed you thought "oh let me do the running away, the dude is winning; plus I got a loop hole; he admitted to not knowing two artists, let me use this loop hole before I get exposed I'm the one who hasn't got a clue about half the stuff he's talking about, ". I've debated with lots of guys who don't even know the half the artists I tell them about and I've never once left the convo because of that. The artists you mentioned are probably not even that great, that's what your act for running for the hills tells me. You've lost the battle by a mile. You may run along now.

Nihilist:
The so called non-commercial rappers are those who make content that nobody wants to listen to....not because they are making any so called music for purists.

Man this statement is just ridiculous. Ok maybe fans want to listen to Jcole but who are those fans exactly? I've already mentioned my 6y.o nephew. Then we have you as well as jcole's fan and who's the rest, you will be surprised to find out if you didn't know
. Ok it gets me when you say nobody wants to listen to the likes of Pharoahe Monch. You don't know much, do your research, you have amazon, you have youtube, great way to start researching from those sites and you'll come to know the type of fan.

Man I don't have a problem if you make a thread about rick ross and I was not gonna respond but this is a free forum and I can read through the thread if I want to and I will come across such statements as "Teflon Don" is one of greatest rap albums of all time. If commercial rap I would agree but rap as a whole there is a lot of great albums and teflon don will never feature even in the top 200. Sorry but it wouldn't. But if like rick ross man then its choice. But anyway man have you have you heard Raekwon's Only built 4cuban linx pt 2. If not you ought to, I can recommend an album "Only built 4 cuban linx pt ii"released in 2009 by Raekwon; it tells the stories of pushing coke and the likes. The album is a banger and every song can stand on it's own as a single for that album. Tell me how teflon don fairs against it?

Nihilist:
I think this is rubbish though...

For example, How is some one like Common or Jay Electronica's content that much different to K. and Jcole?

How is Immortal Techniques content and style that much different to Eminem?

Is Nas Commercial or Non-Commercial?

The so called non-commercial rappers are those who make content that nobody wants to listen to....not because they are making any so called music for purists.

Otherwise Vic-0 and Idris Abdulkareem can claim to be non-commercial rappers...

Man Honestly I don't know who Jay Electronica or K. Is. But really, Common is more lyrically skilled than Jcole is(I haven't heard much of his work but what I've heard is enough to make such conclusion). Common's work has more substance, take for example his album "BE". That album will still sound fresh in next 30 years or so. There is this song by Jcole;I'm sorry I don't know the name of the song(and I couldn't care) even though it was played to death on tv and perhaps the radio too(sorry I don't listen to radio)I don't know what the name of the song is; but the song was featured him seeming to making a prayer to God and kept looking up in the sky in video, I don't know if this can help identify the song but he keeps saying "yeah yeah yeah" in the song. Everytime that song was on tv my nephew(6 year old) would sing-along so loud and with joy to that song; I don't know when the song was released but it featured on tv a lot last year; yeah I didn't have anything against the song, the lyrics were conscious and yeah the message was good, but the song it didn't seem to hold any substance for me, just wasn't my kind of thing. After the song was played out on tv then the channel stopped playing the song for like 6months and when they got to play it again for the first time after so long and when I saw it was on tv I yelled out to my nephew "hey your song is on tv", even though I yelled with so much enthusiasm my nephew wasn't so keen about the song, he just didn't feel it anymore, it was played out on tv for him to like it anymore. Five years from now I suppose either nobody will ever remember that song anymore or nobody that who loved that song before will ever want to hear it again or care. But with Common as I've said before, just whip out his album "BE" after 30 years from now and you will remember how great rap was back then, It will still sound fresh. If you like Jcole I have nothing against you man. I'm just saying Common's music has more substance and his lyrical ability is way above jCole's.

Immortal Technique always made music the way he wanted it. Eminem is a legend, probably Immortal Technique will never release an album as great as Marshal Mathers or slim shady lp but have you listened to eminem lately? Isn't he working his ass off to appeal to masses? Isn't he making pop songs featuring rihanna? And Has the guts to name the album mmlp2 with rihanna on the album? Maybe the album is great itself, I haven't heard it, just the rihanna collabo was a turn off, perhaps someday I may listen to the album, but not until I can get it for 3dollars. Just what I've heard from it wasn't that great, the likes of Rap God, Legacy and the song with rihanna, its just not the eminem I know.

Dream Theater - Metropolis, Pt 1: "The Miracle and the Sleeper"

Dream Theater - Metropolis, Pt 1: "The Miracle and the Sleeper"

JayKayMaybachz:
Why say commercial

Because his music is watered down and is meant to appeal to the masses than the true hardcore rap fan. All rap aritsts that you hear their music driven by a constant base line instead of lyricism are commercial. Almost all rap artists you see on tv and hear on radio are commercial.

WPBandit:
Teflon Don is one of the top hip hop albums of all time to me. It's that good!

Edit: one of the top COMMERCIAL hip hop albums of all time.

dblock:
Why stop, when I can Go

Nas is in the second Tier of Rap Legends, you cannot compare him with the people that most likely inspired him.
Without Tupac and Dr Dre, Rap would be shit. Nas probably wouldn't be in the scene, there'd be no fitey, no game no snoop, no eminem, no Nate, Obie.

I'll proabbly be called a Drugie for saying this but without Tupac, Dre Dre and Biggie, Most people here would be listening to Country Music and Jazz.

Go listen to the Game and leave adult stuff to adults.

dblock:
Some folks here, don't know what rap is. Tupac Shakur was the begining of Modern rap. His only competition was Bad Boy(Puff Daddy and his crew) and Biggie smalls. Before Tupac's style of rapping, it was all old school(NWA and shit), Tupac created the Rap that we know today. Else we would still be listening to RUN DMC, NWA style rap. Fitey Cent isn't a Tupac. The greatest rappers ever are Tupac, Biggie smalls, Dr Dre and The Game. Good rap isn't speed or skill, it's a combination of both. Fitey cent is close, but isn't at that level. Bones Thugz n harmony, have got speed but there's no soul in their music, the Same goes for Twista, Busta Rhymes, Ludacris, Jadkiss etc. Tupac is to Rap as George washington is to the states. Listen to Dr Dre, Pac and Game and you'll understand.

Every sentence, every word in that paragraph of yours is precise and spot on, except for two words: The Game.

vikkytan49:
pls recommend some of his songs for me to download...

Man unlike many artists' Monch's songs are very hard to find over the net or were atleast hard to find when I was really looking for them until I've downloaded his full length albums which were easier to find or atleast were easier to find at that time. So I might have to suggest download links as well.

Try:

Hell ft Canibus

http://tubidy.mobi/watch.php?id=u0Jh0hlnIHxijd6lLMhM7g_3D_3D&p=3gp-mobile&act=down&lnk=6

The next ish ft Busta Rhymes

http://tubidy.mobi/watch.php?id=4N_2BLx_2BLGJ0hUbf2MXFlEsw_3D_3D&p=3gp-mobile&act=down&lnk=6

Both songs are from "Internal Affairs" album but my favorite song from that album is "Queens"

Note: the links are from a mobile website and I suggest you download them on your mobile device as the quality is not as high as the data for the songs averages around 1mb.


Man also check out Deltron 3030 - 3030 (high quality, around 5mb)

http://tubidy.mobi/watch.php?id=4v8_2Bu2HDwvRObuVOLyP5Kw_3D_3D&p=3gp-mobile&act=down&lnk=6

Amazing opening track from Deltron 3030 album.

vikkytan49:
nice one bro, I,ll check some of his other songs out later, it,s been a long time since I,ve last listen to him...
there was a time wen I created a topic, it was all abt who is the strongest rappers, although I said Eminem and pharaoh monch were the strongest rappers, but niggas were saying nas, if we judge nas and jay based on their latest albums, then they're far from the strongest rappers...
Eminem must have mean something wen he mentioned pharaoh's name on rapgod, Eminem compared himself to pharaoh because he knew as old as pharaoh is, he can still spits bars like hell..

For sure

vikkytan49:
pharaoh monch is very good, one of the most underated rapper ever..

Yeah man. Also "Gift of Gab" is worthy of a mention for his tongue twisting multisyllabic rhyming skill. Don't u think so mate? I mean I bought Blackalicious' Blazing arrow album recently. I can't believe the album was released in 2002 but still sounds fresh in 2015. But man the best rap album ever released will always be Deltron 3030's self titled album. Multis by Del the funky Homosapian delivered in a sci-firic futuristic year 3030 concept are ever amazing to listen to on Deltron3030 album. Computers, viruses, alien invasion, u name it, they're all there. Can u believe it man the album is so avant-garde that even when I spun it for about ten times I couldn't understand what I was listening to and it was average to me. It took about 15 to 20 spins in a time frame of about six months to really get what a real gem it was that I was under-appreciating. For me no rap album will ever reach the heights of that album. Del, Gift, Em, Pharoahe, Prince all the way. The world is so blessed to have mcs of this calibre.

Name Of Artist: Organized Konfusion(Hip hop group consisting of Prince Po and Pharoahe Monch)

Name of Song: Numbers

Two verses from both members of the group:

Verse by Prince Po:

[Prince Poetry]
Check it out, we're like
Three LP's precise from
my Five Deadly Venoms
With international plugs
like nine Organized
emblems
Get it? Twenty
Thousand Leagues,
extra deep
Runnin with the
number thirteen with
my 40 Below's upon the
feet
Now Adam 12 got me
in this 20/20
so I'm double oh seven
about my four one one
Seventy-four catch my
eighty-three degrees of
heat
We merkin four-twenty
eat island three five
N2Deep
Mack 10 under seat for
carjacking Passenger
57's
A Product 19 who gets
the dumpster behind 7
Eleven
4-1-0-8-0-9-1-5-9
Same 227 style with
one nosy bitch in the
blind
Hit, one-five-five for
twenty sacks and better
Nothin but love for this
nigga, Mr. 16th Letter
Mr. 16th Letter, Mr.
16th Letter

Verse by Pharoahe Monch:

[Pharoahe Monch]
Yo, nine times out of
ten, a nigga won't shine
I drop dime on five
niggaz who all had nines
on the corner of my
block doin crime, now
I'm
walkin around, with the
fo'-pound, now lately
Lookin over my
shoulder with a six hour
three-eighty
Maybe the baby Tec
woulda been nicer to
bring along
Sing along with me if
y'all know the song
Mines, gimme, not
Vinnie but I'm Naughty
In forty projects drinkin
40's till I'm forty ?
Truncatin drum loops
with Pauly
On the SP-1200 and
1212 you feel it
Mission to create,
matrimony and reveal it
It's love in the form of
life, as you know it
You skatin with the
eight and I'ma damn
sure show it
Funky Four +1, you
know makes Five
Fantastic, romatic, got
live
Furious was cheeriest,
the Treacherous Three
We be the Awesome
Two most definitely
... makes Five ... got live
... Three, we be the
Awesome Two.


Aahhh Pirnce Po and Pharoahe Monch, such great artists. If u wondered where Eminem's style came from maybe Pharoahe Monch needs to be looked into; Eminem even gives Pharoahe Monch a mention in his Song 'Rap God'. If u read the lyrics to rap God eminem on one
of the lines from the song
says: "I know there was a time where once I
Was king of the underground, but I still
rap like I'm on my Pharoahe Monch
grind". I'm glad Eminem took the lyricism of Prince, Pharoahe and maybe masta ace instead of poetry like, maybe tupac. Fact: Eminem - A legend, Pharoahe - a legend, Prince - a legend, that's the bottom line.

You should only be asking "why?" Not "which ones?" If you don't like sad songs yourself.

Listened to that song again at the first week of this month, I was on my way home when the song came up on radio. Olu maintain wrote every line in that song with a reasonable lyric. He did not over repeat lines or say gibberish which are the top most qualities of today's nigerian music. Its sad to see such songs being recorded, played and promoted. But what is more sad are the people that like these songs and buy them. You are the reason they feel they are making the right music.


As for me, I leave in Nigeria but operate in South africa music scene, the are not only more developed than us in their environment, there are also much more civilised than us. And make good music at all times.

It's not only Nigerian music and no it doesn't make them feel they are making the right music. They just love cashing in their c.rap for big bucks.

OkeEsibe:
Hahahhaha truth tho
I play songs from one direction most of d times

But one direction is c.rap

All of the songs currently on radio and tv are wack and should stop being played.

Pdizzle:
O.G! I was actually expecting you on this thread.

thanks, I saw the thread as thought-provoking as if one would ask "how would u describe good music in one word?" sounds simple a question if avoided but if you really come to think of it, it can really engage your thoughts. It was criminal not to respond.

lonipeter:
Please Nairalanders, what is your honest opinion, who is better, Asa or Adele?


As for me sha, I rep Asa, her songs are more relevant to societal issues, not just love love love... Abi wetin you think?

Social issues? I got tv and radio for all that.

crazygod:
Slippin by DMX
Regulate by Warren G
Ghetto gospel by 2pac
they dnt make hiphop like this again. hiphop was originally meant to preach the truth. but now its all about the blings and cars. very sad

There is still hip hop that preaches the truth today. You just have to know where to look. Just not the stuff on tv and radio, I do get where ur coming from though.

krattoss:
and ur best are?

Del the Funky Homosapien, The Gift of Gap, Pharoahe Monch, Cormega, Jean Grae, Slug (of Atmosphere). Etc, etc

krattoss:
where's Rick Ross, ti.. and Nicki Minaj?

those are the worst rappers ever, let alone the op's shitty list.

ugolance:
You must be a great fan of hard(Metal) rock then.

for sure but the first 5 aren't as hard as you think; as there's gunz and roses on your list.

samolabams:
Music. It gives soul to the universe, flight to the heart, and wings to the mind. It is the lifeblood of imagination. It compels, inspires, and transcends all other forms of creative self-expression. It speaks when words cannot. It make us think, and feel, and see things, people - the world - in new ways.

For these reasons, and many more, music is inextricably near and dear to our hearts. And there have been some indescribably marvelous masters of it throughout time who've put together some pretty groundbreaking albums. That being said, here are the 20 best-selling ones of all time.

And remember people, operative word being "best-selling" - not "best." Don't be discouraged if your favorites didn't make it.

1. Eagles - "Their Greatest Hits 1971 - 1975" - 29 million copies
2. Michael Jackson - "Thriller" - 29 millon copies
3. Led Zeppelin - "Led Zeppelin IV" - 23 million copies
4. Pink Floyd - "The Wall" - 23 million copies
5. Billy Joel - "Greatest Hits Volumes I and II" - 23 million copies
6. ACDC - "Back in Black" - 22 million copies
7. Garth Brooks - "Double Live" - 21 million copies
8. Shania Twain - "Come On Over" - 20 million copies
9. Fleetwood Mac - "Rumours" - 20 million copies
10. The Beatles - "The Beatles" - 19 million copies
11. Guns n' Roses - "Appetite for Destruction" - 18 million copies
12. The Beatles - "The Beatles 1967-1970" - 17 million copies
13. Whitney Houston - "The Bodyguard" - 17 million copies
14. Boston - "Boston" - 17 million copies
15. Garth Brooks - "No Fences" - 17 million copies
16. Hootie & The Blowfish - "Cracked Rear View" - 16 million copies
17. Metallica - "Metallica" - 16 million copies
18. Led Zeppelin - "Physical Graffiti" - 16 million copies
19. Eagles - "Hotel California" - 16 million copies
20. Elton John - "Greatest Hits" - 16 million copies

Source = https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1639241736325118&id=1599002270349065

Metallica all the way! Awesome stuff.

Am I allowed to post my favorite bands if I'm not from Nigeria, let alone Lagos?

liljboy:
I'll download em later

cool

1) Katatonia - Discouraged ones (the entire album) 2) Alter Bridge - Ghost of days gone by 3) Dream Theater - Another Day 4) Norah Jones - Little broken Hearts (entire album) 5) Opeth - In my time of need

sEGXY2:
Yo! welcome back....been long i saw you around here.

Thanks friend... How are you keeping by the way?

1 Del The Funky Homosapien
2 The Gift Of Gab
3 Pharoahe Monch
4 O.C
5 Immortal Technique
6 Diabolic
7 El P
8 Slug
9 Comerga
10 Prince Po