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It mostly how much each gov spend on education. Countries that suceed spend a lot on education. Countries in West and Central Africa - spend very little - in their notorious low budget. Kenya for example use to out spend anyone in education in africa in 70s and 80s - that explain historical high quality of education - but now smaller serious countries invest a lot more.

mtisTheQubit:
Most of ths countries are on the east or south... wonder why

Yes there is no argument. Mauritus is better than South Africa in all such metrics. South Africa to get out of middle income trap need to focus on education first and foremost.

AfriqueDuZuid:
Development is a whole package not some narrow view of gdp per capita or HDI

It's complex. I'm glad we don't have to argue over this

People are driven to the informal economy out of poverty. Not by choice. It cannot be an economy policy. It's the default - you will find people hawking or eking out a living in the streets out of poverty. That is why your poverty data need to be relooked.

vankelvin:
Informal sector in Ghana has more positives than negatives so get over it...

Let Kenya practice the so called cooperatives whilst Ghana continues with it's informal sector... After all one country have more poorer people than the other

Yes there are outliers like those oil rich countries that tend to inflate the gdp - but generally it's pretty good measure of progress.

AfriqueDuZuid:
When a country is 12 000 it simply means it's higher income class... Just like a country Gabon is not so developed but its gdp per capita was hovering around 11 000 at some point

It's been playing btw 5-7K usd the last 10yrs. It called the middle income trap.

AfriqueDuZuid:
you forgot we in 2021?

Figures are quaterly reported, it's 6910 now by year end it will be over 7000

Nominal gdp lower than 1100usd - Least developed country - DRC Congo
Nominal gpd per capita of 1100usd or about - threshold to below Lower Middle Income - Kenya
Nominal gdp of 4000 to 12000 - Upper middle class - South Africa
Nominal gdp above 12,000 is developed country - the entry point - Mauritus/Seychelles have hit there.

That is according to IMF/WB

South Africa GDP 2020 301.9 /60m = 5000usd.

End of this year - it will projected to be 400/60=roughly 6700usd.

AfriqueDuZuid:
South Africa - $415 billion / 60m

GDP per capita is $6916

When you say developed you mean index of life expectancy, education and per capita income? Or you mean what

The projections are mine. The maths are solid. Kenya generate 21B total revenues - that is 20 percent of GDP - as should be expected for our economy. Kenya average growth has been around 6 percent.

Just30:
good you've realized how stupid your maths was

Kenya GDP 2010 - 40B - Kenya GDP 2020-100B. Ghana 2010 - 32 - 2020 -72B. The rest are your hallucinations. Kenya has moved from position 12 in Africa to now position 6 - by 2023 - Morocco will be seeing dust - and then Algeria by 2025.

Then the list will be "Nigeria", Egypt, South Africa and Kenya.

Just30:


Unless Kenya GDP was growing at 100% per year for 10 years, it is impossible to grow Kenya GDP 9 times ...


Special Lunatic

It is also impossible to triple Kenya GDP especially when it was growing at less than 7% for 10 years ....


That is why the World Bank call your economy a fraud...

Facts is not popularity contest. I see you desperatly liking your own innane posts. It hilarious. The substance or the soundness of your argument should be apparent.

You got what two tabs - one to write the nonsense - and one to like them Then sometimes your Ghanians engage in orgy of liking each other posts - like it's a substitute for facts.

Just30:
So why is everyone disputing the nonsense you posted ?

Did it not occur to you that it is not fact and that is why it is disputable?

Kenya GDP over the last 20yrs has grown 9 times. South Africa 3 times. The last 10yrs is even more dramatic. South Africa has basically been struck. Kenya GDP has almost trippled.

Kenya growth is not mineral driven (therefore not subject to cyclic commodity bust-booms), is broad based and therefore sustainable.

South Africa is in middle class trap - you should go to Latin America - and find out why Mexico or Brazil despite being near US - has been stuck - and why only CHile and Argentina made it.

Just30:
SA had been stagnant for 20 years and your country didn't catch up to them but now that they are growing, you thing your country will catch up?

Facts speak for themselves. They are very stubborn things. My opinion are not facts. But facts like I have clearly put in this thread cannot be disputed by anyone sane. Unfortunately Mcnaughton principles applies to you. You can literally kill someone and get away with it.

Just30:


The guy needs to start speaking facts and not his dreams

Coz if you did it will clearly show you kenya is gonna overtake your hunting ground. stop hunting for morsels and go hunt for big things - like knowledge.

jl115:
yeah.....I don't care

Studies like this have been done
https://www.wider.unu.edu/publication/policy-co-ordination-and-growth-traps-middle-income-country-setting#:~:text=South%20Africa%20has%20exhibited%20tepid,middle%20income%20country%20growth%20trap.&text=The%20paper%20concludes%20discussing%20the,to%20participate%20in%20the%20economy.

South Africa has exhibited tepid economic growth over the past twenty years as well as high levels of income inequality characteristic of a middle income country growth trap. ... The paper concludes discussing the welfare outcomes on the vast majority of South Africans who are unable to participate in the economy.

jl115:
Ok so now we've only been in a rut for 10 years?

If you're interested in hunting the truth like yours truly rather than hunting squierels for dinner...here is how it went down.

The genesis is 2009 census - some northern counties in kenya tried to pull a Nigeria - they inflated their population. The statistics body cancelled and corrected them. They went to court and they won. So offically kenya population was inflated...but in 2019 - new measures were introduced to prevent a Nigeria. Most who did the projection using the earlier figures have kenya population figures inflated.

Court declares disputed 2009 census results valid from 8 sub-counties in Mandera and Garissa counties
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/counties/article/2000202590/court-declares-disputed-2009-census-results-valid

jl115:
Wow.....covid hit you hard ......$ 4million people just disappeared?

All jokes aside I think I'll stick with the population as stated by the WB

Post apertheid there was growth - until 2010 - and it's been a mess since. I think it's structural middle class rut like you find in Latin America. Mauritus has escaped it and become Africa's only DEVELOPED Country.

You think it's Zuma cooling his heels in prison. I think it's deeper than that.

jl115:
yeah cool story bro

Also we've been in a middle class rut for 20 years yet the black middle class alone has literally increased 10 fold....YES 10 times bigger than in 1993

Again, stop hunting, Kenya population is projected at 49.8m now. We did a census in 2019 - just 2 yrs ago - it was 47.5m.
https://www.imf.org/en/Countries/KEN


2021 Projected Real GDP (% Change) : 5.6
2021 Projected Consumer Prices (% Change): 6.0
Country Population: 49.801 million

jl115:
109/53.77 vs 75/31.07

That equals $2027 gdp per capita vs $2412 per capita

how does that equal 2200 vs 2400??

South Africa is going to play around 300-400B - I dont know why you're excited - the commodities are up - next year - we shall see you back in 300B. The same with Nigeria - Oil prices if they drop - their GDP drops.

Nigeria is oil dependant - South Africa is middle class rut - it been there the last almost 20yrs.

Kenya is making sustainable move FORWARD.

jl115:
What did you say our GDP was the other day? $301 billion So what has happened in fact is the gap between SA and Kenya has actually increased!!

But you've been running around with projected growth of 5 percent. IMF normally release projection in April and October. This was released a few days ago...while you were busy hunting for protein.

IMF World Economic Outlook - October 2021 Update

African Country nominal GDP top 15
Nigeria - $480 billion
South Africa - $415 billion
Egypt - $396 billion
Algeria - $163 billion
Morocco - $126 billion
Kenya - $109 billion
Ethiopia - $92 billion
Ghana - $75 billion
Angola - $70 billion
Tanzania - $69 billion
Cote d'Ivoire - $69 billion
DR Congo - $54 billion
Cameroon - $45 billion
Uganda - $43 billion
Tunisia - $43 billion

jl115:
The 2021 figures haven't been released yet fool, hence it isn't from the IMF now is it?

Kenya doesnt have any minerals worth talking about.

IMF World Economic Outlook - October 2021 Update

African Country nominal GDP top 15
Nigeria - $480 billion
South Africa - $415 billion
Egypt - $396 billion
Algeria - $163 billion
Morocco - $126 billion
Kenya - $109 billion
Ethiopia - $92 billion
Ghana - $75 billion
Angola - $70 billion
Tanzania - $69 billion
Cote d'Ivoire - $69 billion
DR Congo - $54 billion
Cameroon - $45 billion
Uganda - $43 billion
Tunisia - $43 billion

Just30:
since minerals give you free capital, why hasn't Kenya use that free capital to raise people out of poverty ?
Ghana GDP by the end of this year will be 80 billion dollars.

You can consult the World Bank for your country actual GDP per Capita.... It is at 1800 dollars

Don't get desperate

Boer, look like you had bad hunting day. Did your trusty arrow fail you? Of course those figures are from IMF. I clearly said by end of this year - 2021.

jl115:
Please stop trying to suck GDP figures out of your thumb each time and simply take the figures as stated by the IMF or WB!!.........its getting old!!

I was in pro-Ghana - until it failed KaziKazi picture test. I used to think it was one progressive nations. I have now had time to dig a lot more on Ghana - and realize it one hopeless country like Nigeria. Africa leading gold producers yet it look shietty.

Look at the electricity sector - they claim to have hit 85 percent - only to realize that their leading electricity distributor only has 3.5-4m customers - in a country of 31m people with possibly 8m household. That is 50 percent. This ONE OF THE MANY LIES THAT MANIFEST IN PICTURES.

I checked their water...only 0.5M meters in the entire country. This is a country with 8M households according to their last census...average household size is 4 people.

Sewage is totally absent.

I knew Senegal and Ivory coast were doing well - but Ivory Coast went down with wars. But I have seen it recover. I have seen many ivory coast products in Europe. I believe unlike Nigeria and Ghana - the lack of minerals - has given them sustainable organic growth.

theenchanter:
Even Ghana that u love to project ur stupidity on is promising than ivory coast in W. Africa.

Nearly every country that has minerals like Ghana has got out poverty except in parts of Africa. Even countries with 1 million people do it even faster. Minerals give you the capital - for free - required to lift people out of poverty - by investing in people, infrastructure and their business.

Ghana GDP by end of this year will be 75b divided by 31M people (recent census). Kenya will be 109B against 50B - so it about 2400 versus 2200.

Just30:
Mineral is not what raise people out of poverty, Market does.

When you do the, the you'll realize why Africa has such level of poverty ...

How will Ghana reduce it remaining poverty when it has countries like Kenya around it, a country that does not even know how to reduce it poverty?

I didn't know 2400 dollars and 1900 dollars are the same per Capita

What is there to enjoy with obtuse Ghanians just blurting nonsense on every post that touch Ghana.

Shma2020:
Honestly speaking, I was already enjoying the show between Ghana vs Ivory coast... ... Anyway... No biggie

It simple. Learn not to tell people what to do or not do. When you do that - you life will become much better.

Shma2020:
I didn't go hard on you. I don't know why you're hyperventilating.

That you still have povery of 19 % with gold for all those centuries in a sacrielege. When it come to gdp per capita - kenya and ghan are now pretty close - the same with HDI.

Just30:
which previous Kenya ?

Ghana poverty is at 19%, I don't remember Kenya ever reducing poverty to this low.

Despite all of Kenya mineral resources and arable lands, it still can't raise people out of poverty because your govt is too lazy to invest in irrigation and the lands that could be used for profitable stuff have been sold to foreigners who are only interested in growing less profitable stuff like tea.

Again you dont tell me to continue - I can choose not to. You simply f.off. if you have nothing to contribute. I am here as myself - not appendage or a team - I am here to share my knolwedge and to sometimes (rarely) learn.

Shma2020:
I said continue.....

I havent stopped anybody from commenting; I choose when to come here; which posts to reply to; which one to ignore; I am not going to wait for you to tell me what to do or not do. I know enough of ivory coast - because if you're inquisitive - you wont wait for this thread to learn stuff - you got the internet.

I believe I have not told you or anybody else what to do with your time or post here or elsewhere.

Come in when you want, comment on stuff you want, and leave when you want.

Shma2020:
You can't allow us to learn something from Ivory coast? Interesting


Continue.

Despite Ghana being almost arable - and with so many minerals - you have almost as serious poverty as kenya - which is barren semi-arid and arid - and with no minerals.

Just30:
lunatic noise when he run out of his usual lies


Learn and reduce your country despicable 40% poverty rate.

If the kitchen is too hot for you; step out; this thread is comparasion reason; Just run your life the best way you know; why on earth would you imagine you can even advice me? Like really?

Shma2020:
It shouldn't be always about kenya vs others. Let others also juggle with the debate as we watch. On a good note bro

It will trigger some back and forth tantrums.

ICJ - not ICC. The cases are not won by lawyers - but the merits and demerits of the case.

vankelvin:
Cote DIvoire took Ghana to ICC over Sea boundary issues (oil dispute).
They hired White Lawyers and black Ivorian men to lead them in Court..

Ghana went with female Lawyers.. We showed them levels... We had a unanimous win/victory over them.... Togo saw the ruling and back down on their planned ICC court case with Ghana over Sea boundary that has to do with Oil..... (France can't escape blame in this, they are behind it)

These half baked graduate lawyers from Kenya went to court to face Somalia and they lose mercilessly...

The difference is clear.

Another beautiful part of Kenya is definitely Timau - in Laikipia Mt kenya east.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsxMi9SRWsk

Driving to Kericho from Nakuru

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_N9ramlDz8