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You think it's Ghana coffin. The 14 seater cost your 7-10K USD to pi.mp. The minibuses you start talking 20-30k usd or more. These matatus some of them have TV in every seats; sound system alone can cost your 5K USD; the lighting; some have even PS5 games on board;

We haven't added the body works

You buy a brand new chasis - for 30-40k usd - and then spent about similar amount to build it's body and love-vendor it out.

Matatu is very serious business - they do daily return of upto 300USD - so in a week - you're doing 1500usd - a month - you're talking 6000USD

Most Matatus return within a year! You're talking about 60K USD per year.

Just30:
You this kid and your lies

pimping a matatu is 30k USD ?

Here is your fellow Ghana says the trota Or whatever is just bullcrap


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5tDOAE1aK0

Rickety Dafno - is not matatu. Matatu is serious business - where millions are invested.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3sjUvnJi-Q

Lol Matatus are mostly bought brand new. This not Ghana or Nigeria dafno. Nobody will invest in pimping Matatu - cost upto 30K usd - on old rickety body.

14 seaters are ex-japan - no longer licensed in Nairobi - and that is old one you can see - because they are not licesned - otherwise people would buy new ones.

The mini buses are brand new. They do crazy trips per day! They cannot waste a minute in garage broken down


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SleHUD8BMjI

Just30:
The matatus on your street are just too rickety

While Ghana invest in macabre funerals with pimped out coffins; Kenya pimped out matatus stand out worldwide for it's creativity; they have everything young commutter would need; and they burst traffic jams

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkWbTDzaozM

Even in cattle rustling prone areas - Kenya cooperative movement is changing lives

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcB82NAep7A

Kenya cooperative movement - 7th Largest in world - and Africa Largest.

Safaricom Sacco - see how Kenyans cooperate and do amazing stuff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cj4HwrXhqb4

No my friend. You cannot be allowed to sell fuel in Jerrican in Kenya . Heck even carrying fuel in such for small distance is automatic arrest.

This is why Kenya downstream oil companies are all over from Mozambique, zambia, congo, drc, rwanda, all the east africa countries....selling fuel...because we cannot allow free for all kind of mess that is that video

You want to sell fuel - open a proper filling station.

IGpro1:
thanks for the video.

enjoy it as well and stop projecting your depression on others.

Kenya has worse hustle for poor folks.

no country is free of such. only thing is, they hide it better than others.

Shackman,
Kenya did census in 2019 - that cost us 200m dollars - and our population was 47.5m then. I think now we can work with estimate of 49M. Kenya population is declining and we are about enter demographic transitions.

You cannot compare a country like kenya boostrapping the little resource it has - with mineral rich countries like South Africa, Ghana and Nigeria.

You ought to be doing waaaaaaaaaaaaaay better because you hit a natural resource jackpot.

AfriqueDuZuid:
Kenya population is 54m

You wanna make it an excuse?

Singapore has no minerals but there it is prospering, countries come up with ways to keep going.

Netherlands don't have much land but guess what, it's feeding europe

Dubai has no water body but it has 100% clean tap water.

There's absolutely nothing special in having minerals, had work, agriculture is backbone of your economy tea/flowers(high value)

Should Ghana start making excuses and say "we don't have tea, we don't have flowers"?

The zoo!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OfHGtSkZG8

Technically they are doing badly - because our pop is merely 47m - and kenya doesn't have minerals.

AfriqueDuZuid:
But then Ghana population is 32m

So technically...

But district council led by the DC are gov appointees! That will not work! There is no autonomy there; Magufuli has to go round inspecting small stuff. In Kenya we want to have ward dev fund - lead by ward rep - that is like location - and they can do small projects.

Look at CDF - every const has managed to build good schools, colleges and name it - responding to local needs. They also do murram roads, bridges and such.

County gov do more than that...and ultimately national gov is left to deal with national issues

Mzal3ndo:
The autonomy comes in what we call district council where the council members decide where the money allocated from the government and local revenues is going to be used.
Its like this, Tanzania has the central (regional and union matters) and local government. The central government oversees every thing while allocating power to the local government. Thus, when the local district council needed anything the local elected representatives seat in council and decide what they need and the budget then from local revenues as well central government funds is allocated for that matter. If the area has a certain problem the citizen can demand it either from the central government or the local depending on the matter.
So for the matter of autonomy people have plenty of that.

The resident madman...kenya budget was in Ghana level 10yrs ago!
For example - 2012, Kenya set a budget of US$14.59B with a government revenue of .

Just30:
so you collected more revenue than your budget

You see how stupid you sound.

Your own treasury is listing your govt total revenue to be almost 14 billion for the financial year 2020 - 2021 and you are still here making noise.

Total revenue including grants - is not equivalent to taxes. Kenya collect about 16B dollars in ordinary taxes alone (monthly KRA collect 1.5B dollars plus in PAYE,VAT and Customs) - and another 4B in AIA - so normally kenya has 20-21B dollars of revenues...that is why we can finance a 30B budget.

Just30:
Again, our mining royalties goes into special funds and are never added to total revenue and Grant's

Total revenue and Grant's refers to taxes collected by Ghana revenue authority.

All mining royalties goes into the royalty fund and all oil money goes into the petroleum funds.


Let us know kenya is able to collect 16 billion dollars in tax revenue.

16B dollars - is Kenya now Ghana.Look at you Nigeria style low tax to gdp; Kenya is way ahead of your mineral dependant informal economy.

Just30:
That is for your country 2022 financial year which starts in July 2021.

And it is actually 2.7 trillion shillings which is 2.6 billion dollars.

Your 2020 - 2021 budget is 16 billion dollars

Total revenues including grants. That include ordinary taxes, AIA, Oil and minning royalties including GRANTS. It all come to 9B dollars - and your budget is 15-16B dollars - meaning you have to borrow about 5-6B dollars.

Just30:
That is just total tax revenue alone.

Secondly, mining and oil revenues are not part of our revenues. They all go to different funds set up for their accruement

Before you get twisted in knickers - understand budget - revenues and such basic things.

Kenya budget before corona was - Kenya on Thursday presented a 3.02 trillion shillings (30 billion U.S. dollars) budget for 2019/2020 fiscal

In the corona period - it down to 27B

Just30:
care to prove this claim by showing everyone here any part of development where kenya is doing better than Ghana?

I sincerely don't know why you Kenyan like o
To lie like that.
You guys have been making noise to the Nigerians that your budget is 30 billion dollars, since 2019.

Meanwhile, a quick check shows that Kenya 2020 - 2021 budget is 16.6 billion dollars.

2021 - 2022 budget will be 26 billion dollars.

Facts are stubborn hobbit.

Total revenues including grants in 2020 was 54B Ghana- that is 9.3B dollars. If you remove oil, mining and such - your revenues are probably the level of Rwanda (2B dollars)

Go to page 9 of this Ghana gov report.

https://www.mofep.gov.gh/sites/default/files/news/2021-Budget-Highlights.pdf

Just30:
keep deceiving yourself

Ghana total revenue for 2020 was already 15 billion dollars and total budget 20 billion dollars.

2021 revenue will be 16 billion dollars and the budget is 22 billion dollars

Don't confuse budget with revenues; Total Ghana revenues have never reached 10B. That is more like Uganda.

In 2019 - total revenues and grants - were GH¢36.3 billion - about 6.6B dollars - by 3rd Quarter.

Just30:
Revenue projection is not a dream kiddo

During the pandemic, almost 15 billion was collected.
Pre pandemic, tax revenue alone was 13 billion dollars

This is not kenya kiddo

Gold coast with oil, alumunium and bauxite isn't doing better than Kenya.

AfriqueDuZuid:
The Ghana had been seeing more growth than Kenya, Ghana does better than Kenya on many indicators, HDI etc

This should tell you that the country is doing well in their system

Kenya has similar economic structure - but you can keep the revenues centralized and shared equally. What is important is people from Njombe to have more autonomy and control of their future.

In kenya we started with district focus of 1980s - similar to TZ model now - and it didn't work - because the problem was people running the show were appointed by central gov - District Commissioners and their lackeys.

Then we went for CDF - const dev fund - every MP get 1-2m dollars annually to deal with small issues in their constituency - and we saw tremendous impact.

Now we have gone to devolution - with 47 counties with elected members of assemblies and governors - and we are seeing development spreading all over the country including in Turkana and neglected northern kenya.

What is important is people in any given small area need to have as much autonomy as possible - so they can make best decisions for themselves - without all knowing Magufuli going round fixing problems.

Mzal3ndo:
Okay, let me tell you this. Most of the revenues in Tanzania are collected from the region of Dar es salaam which is the main business hub of the country. If we went into provisional governance only the regions having major cities like Dar, Mwanza, Arusha and Mbeya would have noticeable development while other regions with low revenue collection will have non, to fix this we have a centralised government where revenue from Dar es salaam will be used to build roads in Njombe apart from that it will be like in the US where people are moving from low revenue region to high revenue regions much like in the US where people are leaving Blue States to Red states such as Texas.

I am glad we share the same sentiments. The so called tea reforms are nonsense on steroid. The tea sector is facing production glut - and only way is for the sector to diversify into specialty teas , find new markets and do more value-addition. Uhuru unfortunately is trying to use tea to fix his messed up politics and try to connect with his people.

BUT KNOWING genuine farmers have full history of pre- and post-liberization - the so called tea reforms will be rejected by farmers.

kikuyu1:
Uhuru might just have ruined the ENTIRE industry! Through CS Munya he's pushing a raft of measures that will COMPLETELY replace ALL factory directors in one go with predictable effects on institutional knowledge.
I've heard, and knowing of their family's greed and MASSIVE entitlement its likely true Uncle Muhoho already has an export monopoly lined up.
Time will tell...

Ignorant. The provincial governments of the nine provinces of South Africa have their own executive and legislative branches, but not separate judicial systems.

South Africa system is therefore very similar to Kenya or Germany - it called devolution.

Nigeria have federal system - which is why some states have enforced Sharia law. Ethiopia and US have similar systems. States are more powerful than South African provinces.

Tanzania and Ghana have centralized system - a relic of their communist past - that emphasized central planning and control - instead of sharing of power to the lowest unit possible - so people in village or district can make their own decisions based on their own priorities and local conditions.

AfriqueDuZuid:
LOL I think he meant municipal offices,

English has so many words you can juggle around with, even I can call a municipal office a parliament

When he/she said ministers take it as MEC(Member of executive council)

Less say 2K according to your naked eye is completed; the project is 30% complete; continue watching and measuring the length; the total length will be 27km with about 18kms elevated;

The road itself dwarf nearly all the buildings in Accra

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfBRnwEy7Iw

Just30:
keep dreaming

The elevated portion of the expressway is less than 2 kilometers.

From the video you just posted and all the others I've seen.


So now you know that it is not the first nor the second or third road in SSA to have an elevated section.

It 700M dollars - something that would crash your miniscule road budget. Your total revenues are not even 10B dollars and your budget is 16b dollars. Kumasi can only build castles in the air - not real roads.

As for elevated section - show me an 18 km elevated expressway in any SSA country including south africa.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUe6M_NLeWY&t=328s

Just30:
So it has moved from 525 million dollars to 700 million?

Will you shut up there with your delusions
It is not the only road in SSA with an elevated section, let alone be the first in SSA.

Secondly, what Kumasi is building, your country will not be able to finance it in one year. Let alone put up money for a single sector.

We are talking 18 kms of elevated expressway. I doubt your Kwame thing is even 1km.

Just30:
so, elevated expressway that you've been shutting all around, this is it?

The elevated portion of this road looks shorter in length than the elevated third tier of the Kwame Nkrumah circle road

Yes it massive 700M dollars (100M from gov) first elevated expressway in SSAs. As for Kumasi - they can only build castle in the air - because Ghana simply too broke to build anything.

16B dollars budget is about half Kenya.

"In 2020, the revised expenditure budget of the government of Ghana reached approximately 96.3 billion Ghanaian cedis (around 16.5 billion U.S. dollars) as against the initial budget of roughly 84.5 billion Ghanaian cedis (around 14.5 billion U.S. dollars)."

Just30:
that small thing you are building, you call massive. What a shame
Kumasi alone is building 7900km of roads, that is more than what your country will build in 7 years.

We are busy working hard to beat the likes of Joburg - look at Nairobi - massive construction site. As for poor little Ghana - you'll still be eating grass cutters in 2100 - and admiring other Africa cities.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfBRnwEy7Iw&t=12s

Just30:
in 2100

Kenya may get to where Ghana is currently, get busy and do the hard work

Yes, senate take care of devolved or federal unit issues

Zfree:
You forgot to mention the most crucial feature of a federal or a devolved system of government like the one in Kenya. A bicameral parliament consisting of the Senate (upper house) and the National Assembly ( lower house).

It very likely Accra will not get here in your lifetime

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-r0cLcyL0pA

Just30:
Yet all your leaders have made Ghana their mecca for ideas to develop kenya.

Your country was established by Ghana so shut up and keep learning

That is not proper rail - more like a tourist thing.

It runs once a week in each direction between Cape Town and Johannesburg (departing Cape Town on Tuesdays and Johannesburg on Thursdays), and takes about 26 hours.

AfriqueDuZuid:
Besides South Africa has passenger rail from Johannesburg to Capetown (with station in other stations in between

Pretoria via Johannesburg to Durban (with stations in between other cities)

What is logic for building coastal rail - why not build ports instead - and have the railway on the hinterland. Obudu cattle ranch kind of thinking.

forgiveness:
How do you know the railway line won't pass through those routes?

Besides, it's not going to be built to connect to Obudu cattle ranch (better than any tourist sites in Kenya combined) only but to connect from Lagos seaport to Calabar seaport after passing through some of the most important states and richest cities in Nigeria.