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Yet Mt Kilimanjaro and Mt Kenya are permanently under snow
Average temperature in tropics at sea level is 30.
The higher you go - the lower the temperature - every 1000m -you reduce 6 degrees.
Mt kilimanjaro at 5000 - therefore is below zero!

Just30:
once you country is in the tropics, temperatures will range from 20 to 40 degrees.

Base on altitude and trade winds, there can be variations in the maximum temperatures.

Verbiage. The usual nonsense bereft of any factoids from the resident nutjob.

Let try some facts
ECG - ? number of customers
NEDCo - ? number of customers
Enclave Power Company Limited - ? Number of customers.

We will assume that Ghana has pop of 32M with on average 4.5 HH per house - so total household 7.1M - therefore for Ghana to claim to be at 90% - they need to have 6.3M household connected to power.

Anyway we will include customers that are not household or residential - commercial - to help you case.

Now give us latest customer figures of ECG, NEDco and Enclave.

Just30:
1. Yes it is and that is why most countries will never have 100% access to electricity, especially when their population is growing and new houses are being built daily.

2. Houses and household are two different things.
Until you know the difference, you will keep being a fool.
I've explained what they are to you, you can decide to reject knowledge.


3. You already have the evidence on your phone or whatever you use to type nonsense here, use it.
Or you can refer back to when I posted it here, when you were making this same useless arguments.

4. You don't live in a temperate region, so stop being a fool. You receive a 20 degree temperate and start walking around in blankets across Nairobi like it's cold.
I don't need to visit Nairobi before I can know what 20 degrees or 10 degrees temperatures feel like especially after all my day in Europe and the Americas.

5. Fool and that is why Nairobi temperatures does not max at 39 degrees and above but rather 29 and 30 degrees

Educate me? That is so rich of you. They are many climates and micro-climates. Ghana and west Africa are well known - hot - that due to them being in tropics and being low lying. Abuja is like 300m above sea level. Nairobi is like 2000.

The higher you go the lower the temperatures. This is primary level education.

Take small visit - kenya, Rwanda, Ethiopia - and parts of Uganda/Tanzania - have tropical highland climate.

Just30:
Rvp2018

Let me educate you today.


There are 5 main climate types on earth

Tropical, Dry, Temperate, Continental and Polar.

Out of those 5 types of climate, there are 12 climatic zones.

Learn what they are

1) Electricity access to households is the best definition to electricity access.
2) I don't care about any random houses - I care about house housing households.
3) Show me evidence that your electricity distro have 4.5M customers with 6M metered customers.
4) Again slowpoke - you just need to visit Nairobi or Adis - or ask anybody who has - to tell you how temperatures are
5) For every 1000 meter above the sea level - you lose 6 degrees in temperature - therefore Nairobi is 11 degrees lower than Accra - Adis Ababa is 13 or so.

Just30:
1. You are mad

Electricity access is not a broad term.
It simply means electricity coverage across human settlements.

2. I don't have a number for houses in Ghana because every day, new houses are built.
You can use satellite data to count the number if you want. Household does not mean houses, mad man.

3.my electricity distributors have 4.5 million customers with over 6 million meters supplied

4. You are just a fool even if the tallest mountain was located in the tropics, temperatures at it peak will still range from 20 to 39 degrees just for the fact that it is located in the tropics. And this is why even though the geography of Kenya is a tropical highlands the climate of Kenya is the tropical climatic zone.

FOOL

tropical highlands is not a climatic zone but a geographical zone.

No. Your low agricultural productivity make sure of that; otherwise you have more than enough arable land; to feed the world. Heck before oil messed Nigeria - you were world biggest export of palm oil. The same palm oil earns likes of Malaysia more than your oil.

Heck river Niger alone can irrigate and feed Africa.

Shaytun:
Nigeria will always import food, our population made sure of that

1) Electricity access - is broad term - some countries like India - anybody living 50 meters from electricity infrastructure is deemed to have access.
2) Before we proceed with random figures from your anu.s- first tell us how many HOUSES or household are there in Ghana. The answer is 7M.
3) How many customers does your electricity distros have in their database - metered customers.
4) Again moro.n TROPICAL HIGHLANDS - the highlands ensure low temperatures - the tropics ensure no major season changes(now winters or summers). 2/3 of kenyans live in tropical highlands. You DO NOT need an AC. You should see many in Nairobi if they were needed.

Just30:



So now you are fighting facts?

1. True electricity access is around 90% to 92% and metered customers is 4 million houses.

2. Let me know when kenya even invested 13 billion dollars in it power sector in just 3 years. How did kenya spend twice?

3. Ghana total investment in the energy sector is more than 50 billion dollars over the last 10 years.

4. Once you live in the Tropical climate zone, you need AC more than anyone in the world.

5. You said those countries don't use AC.

And temperatures in Kenya range from 20 degrees to 30 degrees

You're obtuse as always.
1) You true electricity access is 50%. You why. You have at least 7M household in Ghana. The metered customers to your electricity grid is 4m or less.
2) Kenya has metered 8M household in a country of 12m household. Remember kenya is mostly rural - so we had to invest twice.
For comparison - South Africa has 17M metered customer of electricity - in a country with 18M households.

If 85% of Ghanian are connected to electricity - why are they NOT customers of the electricity companies? Why don't you have 6.5M customers of your electricity distros??

You can cook data all day - as your two political parties compete - in who tell the most lies - but you cannot fool us.

3) Our total investment in energy sector is more than 10B dollars the last decade.
4) 80% of kenya population live in tropical highlands. You simply do not need any AC.
5) I said part of those countries have tropical highlands - huge part of semi and arid kenya are very hot - but nobody lives there.

Don't just argue for it sake. Nairobi doesn't need any AC.
Nairobi
Weather averages
Overview
Graphs
MonthHigh / Low(°C)Rain
January26° / 16°4 days
February27° / 16°3 days
March27° / 16°7 days
April25° / 16°12 days
May24° / 15°9 days
June23° / 14°2 days
July22° / 13°1 day
August22° / 13°1 day
September25° / 13°2 days
October26° / 15°5 days
November24° / 16°13 days
December

Accra, Ghana
Weather averages
Overview
Graphs
MonthHigh / Low(°C)
January32° / 25°
February33° / 26°
March33° / 26°
April32° / 26°
May32° / 25°
June30° / 24°
July28° / 23°
August28° / 23°
September29° / 23°
October31° / 24°
November32° / 25°
December

Just30:
you give me a data that shows that Kenya electrification growth rate has been higher than Ghana for 20 years and yet Kenya hasn't been able to catch up to Ghana in electricity supply rate per population.
For 20 years, your country has been running to catch up to Ghana in electricity coverage and it hasn't.
What a pity

Electricity in Kenya has never been reliable and every year kenya experience 5 total grid collapse.


At any given time at and at peak demand, Ghana generates 3600mw ( 2 times more than Kenya).

Kenyan capacity has never reached 3000mw and demand has never crossed 1800mw. It is such a pity that only 30watts of electricity is available to every Kenyan.
If all kenyans plug their electric iron into a socket at a time, the entire grid will collapse.

Europe whose temperate range from negative to 18 degrees, use a lot of AC but Kenya in the tropics where temperatures range from 20 to 33 degrees does not need AC ?

Guy you are mad
Just say, your people can't afford it.

Please don't be dumb, South Africa is not in the tropics.
Mexico is one of the largest users of cooling systems in the world and likewise India, Brazil and Vietnam.

Poor countries like kenya and Ethiopia can't afford

Yemi Kale can cook all the data he wants but what we know 1) Nigeria is world largest food importer -Almost 2) Nigeria export very little of food. What we know Kenya is african agricultural giant despite being 89% inarable.

68816419:
Argue with your keyboard...fool

Sounds like you are deteriorating - did you just have your electricity cut .
I just gave you emperical data showing kenya electricity (at it worst) is twice more reliable than Ghana (at it best)
Again Kenya electricity has always been reliable - except for brief period of 1999-2001.
You installed/theorical power is large than kenya- overcapacity that send you to IMF - where you invited IPPS to come and build - power plants -after the 2015 DUMSOR crisis
However at any given time - they can only generate 2400MW - because well your gov is broke to pay IPPS -or Nigeria gas - or the network is rickety.
What you consume - if we remove system losses - and all that - I bet is 1500MW.
Now kenya - we had ambition to get to 5000MW by 2020 - but we stopped - when we realized there was no effective demand - we had the foresight to stop at 3000MW. Now we are paying overcapacity charge of 500MW. It not as bad as Ghana - who were bankrupted by overcapacity charge - and now are losing 3B dollars annually - that is like 1/5 of your budget on overcapacity charge.

As for kenya climate - Kenya sits on tropical highlands - that is why we have SNOW capped mountains.

Nairobi lies 2000M above the sea level. Temperatures through out the year over around 20-30 degrees. You don't need AC. You will not see an AC or even fan in Nairobi or most of kenya. Check pictures of Kenya - and show me an AC. Yes in Northern Kenya - low lying plains - temperature rises to 40 celsius - but it mostly wild desert with little human habitation.

Tropical highlands are some of best climate a human being can live in. Countries that enjoy such climate include parts of India, Vietnam, Ethiopia, Kenya, South Africa, Mexico, and Brazil.

In short - Tropical+Highlands - give you the best climate all year round. No need for expensive energy to heat or cool down the climate - that is why our power consumption per capita is rock bottom.

Just30:
miles ahead of Ghana in what ?

You can say the above a 1000 times and you still won't be able to mention one thing that Kenya will ever be ahead of Ghana in.

Ghana has far reliable electricity than kenya.
Ghanaians consume 4 times more electricity than kenya.

Europe that lives in a temperate climate zone needs AC and you think the zoo Kenya that is in the tropics does not need AC?


Your dumb self needs a neural link to make you a bit smarter.

You are not intelligent

Just shu.t up hobbit. Kenya is miles ahead of Ghana the mini zoo in Quality and Reliability of electricity. Europe of course need ACs because they live in temperate environment - with temperatures swinging;

Why would you need AC in tropical highland like kenya

Just30:
It's good we don't have dumsor
Usual nonsense from the resident idiot

Don't worry; it beyond your paygrade.

ovcwality:
I don't understand how that works, but gdp is money that a country make through trading for a year rigHt? Are you saying we sell our products on credits? since we don't have the money in hand. Lol

GDP is not cash in the bank that Nigeria gov keeps in their CBN vaults; It's an academic exercise to guestimate the size of the economy;

What matters is the revenue that GDP generates for gov.

Egypt budget are now 100B plus
South Africa budget are 130B plus

Nigeria budget if you include states is not even 35B.

And Nigeria revenues are not even 20B - maybe 15B,

A GDP Of 420B cannot generate such revenues.

OVERCOOKED

ovcwality:
That is your opinion, I have a feeling if egypt economy cannot supersed nigeria nigeria's economy in the next 4 years, then they will never catch us again for a very long time.
Anyways i want every african to keep getting better, i love kenya too and will like to visit it oneday.
Nigeria will be great

It overcooked. You can put a fork on it. There is no way Nigeria can boast of 100B dollar agriculture sector.

maidaboi:
lol some one is in pains
Cooked indeed

Even if you repeat a lie 100 times; it won't make your dumsor go away! How are you gonna survive with Ghana heat? At least kenya we only use electricity to power TV and lights : you don't need AC in most of kenya.

Just30:
There is nothing like stable electricity in kenya.

Yes it already largest; ignore Nigeria cooked stats; Angola has really bitten the dust with Sudan. Kenya will overtake Morroco soon.

Stevoh18:
Egypt will be the largest economy in Africa in few years time

Maintainance is daily activity - otherwise you'll be like Ghana or Nigeria - where you have to periodically rebuilding everything. Let us just say you have no maintenance culture. Now next few months - you are again rebuilding your power infrastructure almost from scratch

Just30:
So kenya has been carrying out planned maintenance for 20 years?

that is the definition of a zoo

You're blurting nonsense as always on a subject you barely understand. Geothermal is so good is only renewable energy you can reliably use as base load. Kenya is investing heavily on it because after 1999 - we forgot load shedding - hydros and such nonsense.

Now the we are just about done connecting geothermal power to whole country - because it simply very high quality of power.

Just30:
wow

you are really dumb

Water that in turn into steam and the steam used to power steam generators for electricity to be generated by which point 80 to 90% of the water is lost is recycled in which way?

Geothermal is highly unstable and unreliable as it can only produce small amount of power at a time and the power generated is not predictable.


fool, use your brain


In your country where you can't even supply 50% of Nairobi with water.

A country which is in a serious water crisis and you are here saying water is priceless.

boy you are a mo*ron

Planned scheduled maintenance is not load shedding. it transparency. It the Kenya Law. Power companies MUST publish when power will be out due to maintianance...most of time connecting new customers.

Kenya is not a zoo where you just turn off power like Ghana.

https://kplc.co.ke/category/view/50/power-interruptions

Interruption of
Electricity Supply
Notice is hereby given under rule 27 of the Electric Power Rules
That the electricity supply will be interrupted as here under:
(It is necessary to interrupt supply periodically in order to
facilitate maintenance and upgrade of power lines to the network;
to connect new customers or to replace power lines during road
construction, etc.)

Just30:
so you mean the constant load being shed by your grid company, which has a timetable that has been running for the past 20 years is not load shedding?


you are high on some fake Kenyan wee

Between kenya and Ghana, who has more than enough power supply?

What is being wasted - the water is recycled back; the earth is warming itself up; and please MO.RON GEOTHERMAL is the MOST RELIABLE renewable energy. Nothing beat it. Not hydro. Not wind. Not solar. It doesn't get moody. All you need is some little water....pump it down...it come back as steam...turn the turbines....you need more power..you pump more water....water is almost priceless.

Just30:
You are just dumb

Most countries have active rifts and stable volcanic fistulas to carry out geothermal activity but will not because it is highly wasteful and unreliable.

OUTAGE is not load shedding - it planned or unplanned power supply cut for few hours irregularly. Load shedding is where power is not enough - and your distro deliberately cut power -

Just30:
fool i just copied the wrong video


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1Xc_bkdQTo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UEn3zIzz6M


Because of the limitations of your country transmission grid, it is unable to meet demand above 2000mw

Youre just ignorant.
Most countries do not have rift valley; or geothermal potential; not everywhere you drill will be hot.
Kenya has natural hotstprings
This because great rift valley - has a ground sinking kilometers deeo - along fault lines - so if you drill a few kilometers you get almost earth crust- burning hot

This is Lake Bogoria in rift valley

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpBxhdUIdQk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nre0Zgbhxd4

Just30:
Geothermal is the most unreliable way of generating power and that is why most countries dont use it and it is wasteful

As you have to constantly look for fresh water to pump into the earth crust to generate steam

That is why kenya has been in constant load shedding for the past 20 years

LOL - that is South Africa - MO.RON.

Just30:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOF4CKzmrHc

Since this, your country has been in a stage 3 load shedding and this is the third year running

Just blurting nonsense for it's sake Geothermal power is very high quality; there is no single day or night; the earth crust will be cold:

Just30:
Only a fool will not use thermal plants in this day and age but will rather keep building a highly unreliable geothermal stations that keep the country in constant rolling blackouts and constant system shutdown like kenya experience every year.

The last load shedding in kenya was 20 years ago - and we learnt our lesson. We invest almost zero on Hydro.

In Kenya, the drought that occurred between 1999 and 2002 drastically affected the hydro power generation and in the year 2000, hydropower generation was reduced by 25% capacity. The resultant cumulative loss was variously estimated to be about 1-1.5% of the total GDP.

Kenya’s GDP is equivalent to US$ 29.5 Billion; the estimated loss during the aforementioned drought induced power crisis was about 1.45% of GDP. This translates to US$ 442 million lost which could have been used to install 295 MW of new renewable power capacity (assuming a MW installed costs US$ I.5 million per MW).

Long explanation for we do not have any fore planning because we are mini zoo! What is long term plan on your thermal plants -

Just30:
Redundancy lines will still run through Bulk supply stations

We are working on a 580MVA bulk supply station which is in it interconnection phase which require power shutdown for that work to be carried out.

Unless you have another kenya in your head - kenya we now of - Not many people in kenya know of word load shedding! or power rationing except those of us old enough to remember 1999-2001. That was first and last time we had LOAD SHEDDING.

Why ON EARTH would kenya ever go for load shedding.

First we have many emergency power plants - these are thermal plants - they are only switched on during emergency - there are not main source of power like Ghana

Kenya have stand by generators by Aggrekos and such - idling waiting for main power station to go off

We do not use thermal plants as our source of power (ONLY MORONIC GHANA does that) - they are stand by generators.

Just30:
reliable and yet entire Kenya is shedding load every day?

Keep deceiving yourself

We have only had 6 power outages in Ghana since the beginning of this year.

One was a nationwide outage because of onshore gas pipeline valve not responding.

My thermal power plants are functioning to full capacity

My 500kva transmission line is undergoing replacement which require power shut down to some places in Accra



This is not Kenya where you dont have enough generation capacity hence the constant collapse in your national grid every years.
Kenya grid cannot transmit demand above 2000mw

More like 30 minute power supply and 23 hours of darkness.
In this century - in big city like Accra - you do NOT HAVE REDUDANCY LINES

n East Africa, the Kenyan power utility, Kenya Power, has stated that over the next five years the company will spend Sh22 billion ($217 million) to upgrade the electricity grid and introduce redundant network to curb power cuts, reports local media the Daily Nation.

“One of the things we want to achieve is create a redundant network that allows the company to switch customers to alternative supply lines during planned and unplanned outages.”

The redundant network can be explained as the alternative line of supply such that if one line goes off, power is automatically supplied by the other line hence the customer stays continuously connected. The system is reported to be used in advanced economies.

According to the Daily Nation, in the current financial year, the power utility is to spend Sh5.5 billion ($5.4 million) in network refurbishment and creation of redundant network especially in the industrial zones.

Kenya Power did it in 2016
https://www.esi-africa.com/regional-news/east-africa/kenya-power-introduce-redundant-network/

Just30:
You are just a fool who knows nothing

Accra will have intermittent 30-minute power outages twice a week from April until May when the Pokuasi Bulk supply station will be fully connected to the national grid and other bulk supply station.

It called maintainance - and it why power in Kenya is so reliable. Ghana dumsor - you have it every other day now - until september. Your thermal power plants cannot cope. Your rickety transmission is collapsing on you.

Heck I doubt you even have 400KV power transmission line....seem max is 160

Just30:
They are just rewrapping lines

Changing a line cannot be done with power on, else you will kill people

Power of internet. That is why the JustMoron is so retarded to imagine he can fool anybody in 21st century

popizaino:


Man you are well informed on the matters on ground here.

Watch that video dumsor - Suswa line there is 400KVA. Kenya Power Air Mobile team deal with high voltage lines.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvunEoHX5Ks

The substation sits on a 300-acre piece of land and serves as a connection point for six (6) double circuit transmission lines. The Lines are:

220kV Olkaria II – Suswa line
220kV Olkaria 1AU – Suswa line
220kV Olkaria IV – Suswa line
220kV Suswa – Nairobi North line
400kV Suswa – Isinya line (currently operated at 220kV)
400kv Loiyangalani – Suswa line (currently operated at 220kV)
The substation operates at three different voltage levels: 500kV HVDC, 400kV and 220kV. The lines are for grid stabilization, transmission line extension and regional power interconnection.

Just30:
This fool thinks Changing lines on pylons carrying 500kva lines can be done without shutting down power.

When we are talking about pylons, you are here comparing low 20kv lines in kenya

Without a source; you're just wasting your time; your credibility is almost zero.

You have LOAD SHEDDING; you gov is just afraid to say so because they attacked Mahama for dumsor.

Load shedding is when power is not enough on the grid - for any reason - if power plant goes down - and you have to ration power. Emergency problems should not last more than few hours...and not everday.

Load shedding is POWER RATIONING - deliberate cutting of supply

Just30:
we dont have load shedding



Peak demand in Ghana as at last year was 3600MW ( almost 2 times of Kenya peak demand).

Ghana - when will you get to live maintenance

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVDjMbPo5pA

or have stand by choppers for fixing power. My cousin work on the chopper team - I doubt if your power company has helicopters

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvunEoHX5Ks


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBAIGrDdBaE