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Ignoring the other balderdash - you have many slums - and secondly, slum is not where people do business - it's where they sleep. Slums are in South Africa - how can it miss in poor Ghana. The slums are reality until a country becomes developed (GDP per capita at least 12,000) or at best 20,000K.

Just30:
Yes

He was staying near the Tetteh Quashie interchange which is one of the traffic bottleneck in ACCRA that has yet to be redeveloped.

Contracts have already been awarded to redeveloped the interchange to remove the traffic there.

Kenya does not have any specific planning for it communities, no kenyan community has that kind of planning.

In Accra, you can drive through most places as long as it is a public access road.
You can go and study the Cul De Sac planning, community roads lead to nowhere but the community while access roads lead to major highways.


Hawkers are permitted at traffics to do their business
That has created means for the poor to make a living in our expensive to live in cities without having to result to erecting huge slums all around like you see in Kenya.

This is part of the reasons why extreme poverty is almost eliminated in Ghana.

You have a talent for propaganda So the guy chooses Kenya to compare everything but Kenya to Ghana . The BONOBO in his true element!. He twists and turns himself into knots so many times a day - the best contortionist would be proud of our bonobo here.

Just30:
So you still want to compare the small Nairobi to a historic city like Accra that best it in all things?


This is a Ghanaian taking part in a protest to put pressure on Government just like how we put pressure on all govt to make sure we get the best out of them.

This is how come we have become so developed.
By holding our leaders to account.

This guy was not even comparing anything in kenya to Ghana because there is very little to compare.

He was comparing his years of travel around the developed world to Ghana.

Is that why Africa Traveller talked of terrible traffic jams all over Accra.
Doesn't quite make sense?
I guess it coz most of Kenya estates are already cul de sac...so in Accra you could drive through everywhere?

I find the care free and pedestrian had to belief.

What I have seen - is crazy market days - where hawkers are allowed to put their umbrellas on major roads and sell their wares.

Just30:
It was done just by improving major access roads and closing off neighborhood roads by using a cul de sac planning for neighborhoods.

In Accra Central, each 6 by 4 grid planning blocks are car free and has been populated by pedestrians while leaving the exterior roads for cars.


It's good to see that your city authorities are now thinking and implementing plans with people in mind.

Yes the Ghanians including their president already acknowledge Nairobi to be their north star. So this Vblogger was a little late. Their president is aware - and his Beyond AId Strategy - has Nairobi pic on it's cover.

I have never understood why housing would be such a challenge in West Africa.

Nairobi it's question of money - you have 10 dollars - or less - you go to slums - and find a hovel - straight away - you have 30 dollars - you go to pipeline or such areas - and have 1000 houses to see - the same for any income level - there are so many houses - for any price.

The highest deposit is 2 months - otherwise it's standard one month - water and electricity deposit - and you have a house - anytime anyhow.

Kenya house hunting is an afternoon affair - and you can move in the same day. You can land in the airport and have rented out a house the same day. There is almost TO LET sign everywhere.

Zfree:
This is hilarious to watch. It is a slap in the face to the Ghanaians on this thread who have been desperately trying to compare the great City of Nairobi to their little city Accra.

This Ghanaian vlogger was speaking his local language in the whole vlog but believe me I watched the whole thing. I got a rough idea of what he was saying in the few times he spoke a word of English. It is was truly telling. The dude was ranting nonstop about how crap Accra was compared to what he was seeing in Nairobi.

Let's try to dissect the content of the vlogs;
Basically this Ghanaian guy did the two vlogs in what looks like the areas around Kasarani, along Thika Superhighway. The dude was amazed by Garden City Mall. He said he had never seen anything like it in Accra. He also reminds his Ghanaian viewers that Nairobi alone has over 50 malls, while the whole of Ghana has less than 10. He also says that Kumasi, Ghanas' second city, doesn't even have a mall that can compare to the dozens of malls found in other Kenyan cities and towns.

He also talks about Housing. This Ghanaians vlogger seems to be impressed by the public housing in Kenya. He was amazed by all the Apartment buildings he was seeing. This is just around Kasarani areas. He seems to wonder why Accra has not embraced this kind of affordable public housing like in Nairobi. Believe you me, this dude mentioned the word 'Apartment' like thirty times all in awe at the blocks of apartment buildings he saw in Kasarani .

He also says that in Ghana, potential tenants have to pay the whole rent six month or one year in advance. While in Nairobi you can find any house of your choice in a matter of minutes and all you need is your deposit and 1 month rent.

There is a lot more that the guy talks about that only Ghanaians can understand. I know the Ghanaians in this thread won't dare translate the complete content of the vlog or comment about it because it exposes the lies they have been trying to sell here all this while.

Our companies excel abroad - for our size of our economy - we are punching beyond our weight. Only TZ have their usual petty jealousy but elsewhere we are doing fine. It's really your loss - because Kenya companies could help unchain your from KABURU (boer) of South Africa.

Mzal3ndo:
Proof that Kenyans are idiots. Reason this, if a company can thrive in every market except one and all markets have similar characters, the failing market is the one with problems. You guys like to complain about other nations doing you bad while you play the same dirty games. the sooner you accept the facts the less it will hurt in the future. You guys have a terrible and biased business environment.

How was this done? Are you seriously that obtuse? Show us pictures?
The least I have seen from videos - you have a serious problem of hawking right into the walkways -

As for communities or estates - it mostly dirt unpaved roads.

Example - This Luthuli avenue Nairobi - one of busiest street - selling electronics - was converted into walkways - and matatus removed


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kfJWdMN92Q&t=59s


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kY5Pk7xJFzg&t=126s

Just30:
In Accra implemented transportation plans has already moved cars out of communities into their exteriors where major roads take the daily traffic.

Public access buses and individual cars moves majority of traffic while leaving the middle of communities free for bikes and community members.

People can throw parties on community streets with permit from their Districts Assembly.

The audacity. This part of eastland. Lower middle class part of Nairobi. Would be middle class if not upper middle class in Nigeria


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sDvFOmus8o&t=392s

Vlain:
Calm down I will prove it to u guys and this noise will go down the drain. Wait for it

More evidence of your failed education policy. I said South Africa companies excel everywhere in Africa except kenya. We let them come and we bury them.

Mzal3ndo:
So you also want to say that South Africa, the country with more business investments outside her land can't set up a business in Kenya? Your system is flawed, just take the L and go sleep.

I know it look like CBD by Nigerian standards. I don't blame you. It certainly look more business district than what you got in \west africa

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVNM8N-QnZw
The road is Outering - the middle of eastland - particular section - is donholm interchange -

Vlain:
That is Nairobi cbd, and I will prove it. I am just waiting for the right time to bite like a serpent.

Transportation plans do not make car traffic move....tell us how this has been implemented. Are you using FM stations to urge people to move their cars or Juju.

Kenya has many plans - but for Nairobi metro - we have NAMATA that is pursuing BRT, Commuter Raila and NMT - Not idle talk - but there is progress in all these fronts.

Bus Rapid Transit System-A bus-based public transport system designed to improve capacity and reliability within the NMA.
Commuter Rail System -An integrated passenger rail transport service that primarily operates within the NMA metropolitan are connecting commuters to various locations.
Non-Motorised Transport-Increasing the use of bicycles and the ease of walking in urban environments that allow residents to easily access affordable public transit or to bike safely.

Just30:
We have the Ghana national transportation plan

Which has introduced BRT in Accra and Kumasi, with the Kumasi Light Rail still under going feasibility studies.

Our National transportation plans have made car traffic moved onto major will leaving the middle of communities free of cars just like Barcelona is doing.

The only difference is, Ghana have not turn the roads in those communities into play grounds.

Good your NMS has now seen the future

The ease of doing business captures all that. Just say Tanzanians have no experience setting up business outside their country. Kenya has open door policy. Tanzania honestly cannot hack in Kenya - if South Africans companies cannot - please save your money and run. Kenya has brutal competition - and those that fail or find they cannot come - and get favours they normally get from banana republics - they start bad-mouthing kenya.

Setting up a company in kenya is easy and free for all - you don't need to see a minister or name - but be ready for competition.

There is a reason why our economy is a largest non-mineral economy in SSA - it down to a very strong private sector that is guaranteed to give you the most brutal competition.

Mzal3ndo:
Ease of doing business when your white, who many African companies come to invest in Kenya and fail but their European counterparts succeed? Yall just greedy and corrupt.

As Accra uses Juju to move cars from neighberhood - Nairobi NMT is implementing non motorized plan that will cover most of Nairobi by end of the year - red lane for bicyles - grey for pedestirain - mixed red/grey combined

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCzCZfK9ocg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KB8UNtHJJvg

It starts with policy - then goes into a plan - and it's implemented - I guess you got nothing or it part of BEYOND AID strategy .

Nairobi for the last 2yrs has been implementing NMS - building walkways with bicyle lines.

All over Nairobi now - NMT (Non-Motorized Transport) - are laying red carbos line for bicycles - and the grey for pedestrian.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pr0-oi907o4

Now for Ghana - how do you move traffic from neigherbhood to major roads - using JUJU

You have no PLAN. No Policy. No implementation.

Just30:
just having a policy in paper does not solve shit.

In Ghana, all traffic has been moved from neighborhoods to major roads.

You will be surprised to walk on public streets in neighborhoods and for 30 minutes, only 5 cars will come and pass you by.

Nairobi's NMT (Non-motorized transport) implementation. Cycle lanes. Good start.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pr0-oi907o4

All nice. But what is Ghana doing about it. Nairobi has Non Motirized Policy that is already being implemented
http://www.kara.or.ke/Nairobi%20NMT%20Policy%20Popular%20Version.pdf
Nairobi Metropolitan Services (NMS) has set aside Sh1.47 billion to expand non-motorized transport (NMT) within the capital aimed at enhancing walking spaces.The move is also geared towards encouraging Nairobians to start using bicycles,

According to Nairobi County Fiscal Strategy Paper for the financial year ending June 30, 2021, the NMT will cover 116 km and has been divided into three packages.

The first package will cover 36km spread in Eastlands with the first stretching from Jogoo Road to the CBD and divided into four corridors.

The Jogoo Road corridor covers 10km from Outer Ring-Jogoo-Landhies-Haile Selassie, with bicycle parking at the Kenya Railways station at Sh155 million.

The next one will also cover 10km at Sh155 million stretching from Juja Road to the CBD through Outer Ring-Ring Road Ngara-Racecourse and terminating at Ladhies roundabout.

The other one will be 6km at Sh93 million running from Mumias South Road through Rabai Road, across Kenya Railways lines to Tanga Road terminating at Lunga Lunga Road.

This will be joined by another one at Sh93 million covering 6km stretching from First Avenue Eastleigh (now Yusuf Haji Avenue) from Juja across Jogoo Road to Likoni up to Enterprise Road.

The last one at Sh62 million will run from Lunga Lunga Road to Likoni then connect to Outer Ring covering 4km.

The second package will cover 55km running from the CBD to Westlands then to Ngong Road with the first corridor covering 7km between Kibera and Industrial area running through Mbagathi-Langata-Lusaka Road and then Jogoo Road round-about at Sh108.5 million.

NMT will also be set up along Enterprise from Lusaka to Likoni road intersection covering 3km at Sh46.6 million.


The next one will be Kibera-Kilimani-Westlands corridor covering 15km starting from Kibera drive to Kenya Railway crossing–James Kangethe-NMT only route- Ring Road Kilimani-Kitale lane –Githunguri at Sh232.5 million.

Another 15 km of NMT will run from Kawangware to Kilimani then to the CBD. This will cover Gitanga-Ole Dume- Argwings Kodhek- Valley Roads terminating at Kenyatta Avenue at a cost of Sh232.5 million.

The last one will be Kawangware–Westlands/Waiyaki Way corridor also covering 15km at a cost of Sh232.5 million. It will run from Chalbi drive to Isaac Gathanju—Mugumo—Olenguruone–Ring Road Kileleshwa terminating at Ring Road Westlands.

The last package in the CBD will be fixed along Harry Thuku–Muindi Mbingu–Mama Ngina–Wabera–Taifa–Harambee–Tumbo–City Square Post Office—Workshop and then Industrial Area.

There will also be another corridor running from Upper Hill (community) through Uhuru Park–City Hall Way–Luthuli/Ronald Ngala–River Road–Landhies connecting to Jogoo Road.

The last bit will run from Aga Khan Walk–part of Harambee Avenue then Parliament Road and around the Holy family Basilica.

Just30:
yes they can

France is picking certain part of it cities to remove them and likewise Barcelona slowly reclaiming it roads and give the space back to the neighborhood.

You don't need bike lanes when there are no cars on the street.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jq2yd4QgL5I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZORzsubQA_M

Nairobi Inland Container depot new link road to Southern and eastern bypass.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1j8oCDmyvE&t=644s

Yes beside the future - these streets will be made car-free -- as more cities will embrace walking and cycling!

AfroCircus:
Those are the feeder roads, no different n size to New York's 4th Avenue feeders if you've been there. European cities with a much higher density than Africa have even narrower streets. But people rush there on holiday because of good PR and they're very well maintained

Why do I find that hard to believe?

Vlain:
Baby steps- Lagos by now has over 7000 buses with dedicated lanes on major highways and roads.not to mention the numerous ultramodern terminals littered around. We’ve been adding Atleast 800-900 buses annually since ambode’s administration.

No it's bus terminal. Why would I post a bus stop? The terminal is to handle bus for some of more than 100 routes in Nairobi

Vlain:
What you posted are like major bus tops in Lagos.sit down under the metal canopy,grab a drink, and waiting for the next bus to stop by and pick u up

Mpape - Maitama extension - is smack right inside Abuja. It borders Maitama. The rest are obviously within Abuja city limits.

Vlain:
Nonsense.if u are quoting him then I can put it too u that David mowa is ill informed. For instance check out the so called highlighted slum he mentioned-most of those places are town surrounding Abuja city-not even in the city.


JABI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKwTzyrlgEk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2cO3mtY0tw

Apo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JOF97nlqN8


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KPNApDTjus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKqEVHQ9DSA

Did u also call asokoro a slum- u are an idiot.this are rich folks neighborhood-better than Karen idiot.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSDBfPi-9vc

Lugbe . Also outside the city

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4Rym00aaG8

Gwagalada-Also not in Abuja-similar to towns like ruaka cattle -kraal town-but this place still looks better than anything in kibera by far.FACTS!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhUZ84Nbtts

Why all the tortured arguments Sammy. It's under construction and will be completed this year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMQgzm-9gUw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYe6Vg3erlc

Vlain:
Even if this is being constructed as we speak I do t see this baby step on thika road and Nairobi flyover as something to be proud of.but then again it’s a render.- I am even more dissatisfaction

You mean terminal for what? Long distance up country buses? or what exactly do you want.

Vlain:
Nonsense.ur Nairobi green park whatever are just like brt bus park in lagos where they stop to reload passengers in major locations thats doesn’t have a terminal yet.

Are you arguing with me or David Nkwa. How can it be temporary when unlike kibera tin shacks - these are permanent structures.

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Mpape is close to maitama and also the largest slum settlement in Abuja Nigeria. Over 1 million people live here. Housing in Abuja Nigeria quite expensive, so many people settle for slums like this, given its proximity to the city center.
There are also other slums in Abuja Nigeria, like in airport road, lugbe, durumi, dawaki, apo, gudu, gwagwalada, jabi, asokoro, but this is the largest.
This video is a drone shot or aerial view of Mpape the largest slum in Abuja Nigeria.

Nigerian government needs to provide an affordable housing scheme for citizens especially for people who live in Abuja, considering that housing is very expensive in Abuja Nigeria.

Mpape is also the home to Crushed Rock, an abandoned quarry site that has become a tourist attraction in Abuja nigeria.

Vlain:
Compared to Nairobi and most slums in Africa this is a walk in the park.surely if we go by your comparison earlier this will be an upperclass slum not kibera kinda of mud and tin-shack porridge looking road slum. 1m what!!!! Lol we’re did u get ur figures from.Surely you must think Abuja is Kenya banana republic that allows such. All houses there have toilets,multiple rooms,built with block and bricks,roofed,some houses painted while some aren’t-All it lack is roads-Heck they are connected to electricity and water like the rest of Abuja.That slum is temporary.people living there are literally living on borrowed time. They have been threats by the FCTDA to demolish that place and it will happen one day just like other not so good neighborhoods was demolished during El-rufai time in office.

And FYI this slum is not in any way within Abuja city.it’s just outside Abuja city gate.it’s falls under FCT(federal capital territory) not in the city.it is similar to what u will call Nairobi metropolitan area.

Nairobi Green park is on trial - and there are six others under construction

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwDVWieUD_Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXlc3rT33xY

Vlain:
Construction of ultra modern bus terminal in Italy Abuja. The project is 80% shopping center and 20% bust terminal. Way to go Nairobi. ;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=az6h7EXnLUA

Kenya impressive cooperative movement: Maasai women coop - largest women-owned cooperatives.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vz3X0IEVcoM

Can't compare kenya with gold and now oil dependant banana republic like those...

Shma2020:
Ghana should be playing around 4000 dollar in per capita GDP considering their small population and minerals contribution. 10% is so huge.

Kenya with her huge population with no minerals is even doing better than Ghana.

If you remove gold, oil, aluminum and other minerals from Ghana GDP; it just another banana republic. Minning contributes about 10% directly to the economy - and I bet bigger if you see the value add. The add oil.

Shma2020:
So because Ghana is not there that makes the list baseless?

Ghana should not even be in top 10 because reality on ground will not convince a sober eye.

The list ranks all the high net worth individuals, millionaires, billionaires, multi-billionaires etc. Those individuals alone qualifys to make a country's Total wealth huge.

While at it - explain Maihitima - Mpape slum - that is larger than Kibra - and is smack right in Abuja CBD. Planned CITY of Africa - with 3 million residences in slums.

68816419:
Lol...let me help u with a clearer view

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiZBqVaBwzA


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWXRETVLBSk

28Km Thika road BRT under construction.

Kenya ease of doing business is behind Mauritius, Rwanda, and Morocco ONLY. If Tanzanian business cannot make it in Kenya - it's really their problem.

Suluhu seem ready to reset Kenya-TZ back to Jakaya Kikwete and Benjamin Mkapa times - not the Nyerere/Magufuli chip on the shoulder.

Mzal3ndo:
But still put road blocks for Tanzanian investors. You're all talk no show, you say you're doing this to improve the business environment but when Tanzanians come to invest in Kenya they meet obstacles.
Go to the comment section and see how many Kenyans agree with mister Rostam Aziz

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QroMex7qLmM

Projection is bad thing - 1M slum in ABUJA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5xr_68Uxg4

Mpape is close to maitama and also the largest slum settlement in Abuja Nigeria. Over 1 million people live here. Housing in Abuja Nigeria quite expensive, so many people settle for slums like this, given its proximity to the city center.

There are also other slums in Abuja Nigeria, like in airport road, lugbe, durumi, dawaki, apo, gudu, gwagwalada, jabi, asokoro, but this is the largest.
This video is a drone shot or aerial view of Mpape the largest slum in Abuja Nigeria.

Nigerian government needs to provide an affordable housing scheme for citizens especially for people who live in Abuja, considering that housing is very expensive in Abuja Nigeria.

Mpape is also the home to Crushed Rock, an abandoned quarry site that has become a tourist attraction in Abuja nigeria.

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