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agaugust:
You need more than a mouth full of insults to defeat these American weather professionals and their scientific fact


"Cold air contracts, becomes more dense, and thus heavier than warm air." www.ussartf.org/predicting_weather.htm
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Again. You dont even understand your own link. They are very very correct. "Cold air contracts, becomes more dense, and thus heavier than warm air." Very correct.

The part that you will never ever understand is that fact applies to air at the same pressure. When you open your fridge, the cold air sinks to your feet because because it is denser/heavier than the warm air around it. But...the air pressure in your fridge and surroundings are the same, thats why that happens.


Air at very high altitude on the other hand is at a much lower pressure than at sea level. Hence it will not be denser than air at sea level, even though it is colder. I asked...why do jet liners need to be pressurized when flying at high altitude? The air there is much colder than air at sea level. So according to you, it must be denser than air at sea level. So why do they pressurized commercial jets? Can your mind even grasp that question?

I told you, you are out of your intellectual depth. This argument is not for you. You have no clue what you are talking about.

agaugust:
god ? We christians don't believe in gods, we believe in God almighty.

All we know is South Africans worship Mandela like your god.

The air argument is about freezing cold air in snow covered top of mountain Himalayas where the Bofors artillery was fighting. That is not ordinary high altitude in just any city of the world, we were talking about snow covered mountain top where the air is at freezing icy temperatures, and it is denser than any air you have in a normal world.

I proved that with a source from American weather scientists, nothing can beat their professionalism, they have concluded in agreement with my statement.

Keep sulking, does not change the experts report.

You dont understand your own link. Nor do you understand what i said. No it is not denser than standard air, because its at a lower pressure. You are out of your very shallow depth.

jpphilips:
Warm air, is denser or less dense?

Comparing apples and shoe laces. You must take atmospheric pressure into account....you cant just say warm air/cold air if they are at different pressures. Warm air is less dense than cold air, AT THE SAME PRESSURE.

Example. The air you are currently breathing is warmer than air at 30 000 feet which a jet liner flies at. Does that mean a jet liner flies through denser air than that currently entering your nostrils? Why then do aircraft need to be pressurized? You think you would survive for more than 30 seconds trying to inhale the "denser, colder air" at 30 000 feet?

Basic science that anyone with a high school education would know. But i dont blame Agaugust for his lack of understanding. The likes of Henry120 will agree to whatever Agaugust says, they worship him like a god.

agaugust:
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Watch my next video, it answers your question but also shows you have a low calibre brain that needs total upgrade to function on Nairaland



Gatling gun fires about 50 bullets per second.....confirmed !

One trigger pull will release 3 bullets in so short a time, split seconds so fast you cannot measure the time with a normal clock, it is as fast as if all 3 bullets came out together, the time difference is split seconds and infinitesimal, the time between the 3 bullets release is so short it's almost simultaneous....confirmed by video expert analysis of Gatling gun mechanism posted below.

Yes, T-129 has more firepower than Rooivalk.

All South Africans are foooools, your entire nation fails science on a daily basis [/size]


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLEGE7k9FD4
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That is not the gatling gun on a T-129. Why dont you post a video of the 1st gatling gun built in the 1900's? Can we also say Rooivalk fires "12 × 20 mm caliber " rounds if it fires 12 rounds a second?

You thought T-129 fires 3 bullets at one go. You ran to the internet to correct yourself.

Work horse of the SAAF. Will be interesting to see what finally gets chosen to replace them. Probably C130-J.

agaugust:
Me troll? So what are you? An angel? No, you are more like a vampire my friend.

I am a hunter, I go to the woods, I kill deer with my rifle. We fire 2 shots rapidly on a deer, we get to it where it fell, we find 2 different gun shot wounds close to each other, not in a straight line of second bullet tailing the first bullet behind and pushing it deeper into the deer on the same bullet hole, it never happened.

When you receive T-129 gatling fire in y.our coconut head, there will be 3 leaking holes with your Soweto brain popping out in 3 places.

A gatling gun will release 3 bullets on one trigger pull as the gun revolves in super rapid speed, I have posted 3 videos to prove that already.

Rooivalk will NEVER match the firepower of T-129 gun, the white man that invented 3 barrel gatling saw 1 barrel gun as I adequate, making him invent a superior gun.

However, if you still want count how many holes a 3 barrel gun drill in y.our Soweto head, I advice you bring that head to Lagos, Nigeria has 3 barrel gatling guns on our Mi-35 Hinds, just put your head a few inches directly in front of one, tell NAF gunner to fire with one trigger pull.

After the experiment, come back and post your experince on this forum
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As suspected. You are unable to answer. Fake fake fake. No one cares what happens downstream at the target. The same question is asked, let me even make it clearer for you.......when you pull the trigger on a gatling gun do the bullets come out the barrel following the same trajectory? (i.e in a line) yes or no?

It's obvious bullets wont stay 1 behind the other in a line if you fire at a target far away. So you post above is irrelevent. Can distract other fo.ols not me?

Again...what is the orientation of those 3 rounds when leaving the barel of a gatling gun? In a line or side by side?

agaugust:
I added it together so that a m0ron like you will know that when a 3 barrel gatling gun is fired at y.our h.ead in one pull of the trigger, the gun will rapid-spin-rotate to release 3 shells, and according to the physics law of mass/weight, 3 x 102 mm shells means a solid metal of total mass of 306 mm is now resident with permanent visa inside y.our under-developed brain
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Fake...fake...fake military researcher. You are not well mentally. Whoever agrees with you is in an even worse state.

Tell us.....these "3 shells", when they are fired towards a target, what is their orientation?

Is it 3 rounds one behind the other in a "line" heading to the target? Or is it 3 rounds next to each other in a "wall" heading to the target?

If a gatling gun is fired on full automatic, its a continous stream of bullets in one line to the target. If Rooivalk fires at full automatic, its a continous stream of bullets in one line to the target. How are they different? Please stop making up sh.it as you go along. You are being nothing but a troll. "3 × caliber" for fvck sakes.

agaugust:
Yes, on cold Himalayas mountain, air is denser at high altitude where the Bofors gun was located.

Oh my God

patches689:
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Hahahahahahahahaahahah

Omg my sides!!!

My fvcking sides!!! My sides are in fvcking orbit!!

This is too good.... Too good.

You think all 3 barrels fire simultaniously

Omg... I am laughing so hard i am crying. [/size]

"Military researcher" who works with "former U.S fighter pilots" . I've been saying all along, he's nothing but a security guard with military ambitions. Rejected from the boy scouts because of his b..ba...bad stutter.

Henry120:

Exactly. Next time don't try and be clever with me, when you're clueless as to what I'm talking about. You should have asked me what I'm ouching about and left it at that. Would have given you a very polite answer.

Henry120:
What are you "ouching" for, there are and never were any Piracy incidences of the coast of mozambique.

SAN deployment of frigates to mozambique is similar to deploying troops in the streets of luxemborg or Switzerland.



There simply is no threat to deploy against.

Why do you sound like you want to cry? Why dont you look at the pics/comments again and see what I'm ouching about. Figure it out.

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jln115:
"Over 50 years old, NNS Thunder is busy sailing around the continent and saving Africa from piracy while South African navy sits down at home redundant and lazy"

Have you ever heard of operation copper? Since we started patrolling the Mozambican coast in 2010 guess how many Piracy attacks have there been? 0 that's how many!!!

"How can SAN use one frigate, one submarine, low fuel, to guard South Africa's massive U-shaped coastline of 3,000+ km and still patrol up to Ghana with same one warship, a frigate with delicate engine, not an endurance OPV...."

There are always 2-3 Operatonal Frigates and 2 Operational Subs, and we use our OPVs to patrol the Mozambican coast now, and not our Frigates!

"Old photos mate.

Today, Southie navy has ONLY ONE frigate and ONLY ONE submarine in operational. The rest are dead as cooked fish"

Pic 1: F 147(Spionkop)
Pic 2: F 146 (Isandlwana)
Pic 3: S101 (Manthatisi)
Pic 4: S102 (Charlotte Maxeke )

Ouch

2 Squadron. Makhado AFB.

Old pic. But i like...

30 mm cannon firing...

Badger IFV coming along nicely....

Missile variant firing Ingwe missile....

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http://sofrep.com/40623/eeben-barlow-speaks-pt-2-development-nigerian-strike-force/

Eeben Barlow Speaks Out (Pt. 2): Development of a Nigerian Strike Force

The chairman of STTEP, Eeben Barlow, reports, “Our relationship with the Nigerian government and the Nigerian Armed Forces is very good, and as fellow Africans, they recognize the value we have added thus far at the strategic, operational and tactical levels.


An advanced party of South African military veterans working for STTEP landed in Nigeria by early January of 2015. Instead of social-media activism, they held a selection program for the elite Nigerian military unit they were to train while the main body of STTEP began to arrive. “It is a mobile strike force with its own organic air support, intelligence, communications, logistics, and other relevant combat support elements,” said Barlow. He declined to name the unit they were training, but an open source investigation strongly suggests this unit is the 72 Strike Force.


By the time the main body of STTEP contractors arrived, the selection process for the Nigerian strike force was complete and training was able to commence immediately. “We built it from scratch,” Barlow explained, “and were able to, in a very short space of time, get it combat ready. The results this force achieved, along with the support of the Nigerian Army are indeed remarkable.

The South Africans trained their Nigerian counterparts in the tactics, techniques, and procedures that they had practiced and refined on the battlefield since South Africa’s conflicts in the 1980s, including Barlow’s concept of relentless pursuit (which will be explored in a future article).

Meanwhile, Boko Haram was experiencing an increase in operational tempo and achieving successes in their area of operations.

With this in mind, STTEP’s mission quickly transitioned from training a rescue unit to training a rapidly deploying mobile strike force, and mentoring those they trained in the field. “By late February, the strike force conducted its first highly successful operational deployment,” Barlow said.

Henry120:
The US used military contractors in their War of Independence and had more contractors in Iraq and Afghanistan than it did troops, in fact in every conflict since the Balkans military contractors have made up at least 50% of deployed personnel.

Nigeria hired a Nigerian Security firm (Pilgrims security ltd) to provide specific services which included maintenance and the ground training of troops in the use of recently acquired hardware.

Pilgrims security did not create a new infantry unit, the 72 mobile strike force, is part of the 72 Special forces bn based in markurdi . They aren't a new unit, they maintain a doctrine of relentless pursuit, never hold ground, just pursue the enemy and hit him with overwhelming firepower.

What it means is, the unit has to have dedicated access to MI-35m's, Gazelle Helicopters, Super-Pumas and additional tactics..... some of which have never been previously used.

Situation seemed sorted. Unit already existed. Tactics already existed. Hmmm

In the words of former EO's man Eeben Barlow...."we built it from scratch"

Why would a private company be needed to create an entire infantry unit within the Nigerian army? I wonder. Surely there are more than enough officers within Nigeria to do this.

-Nigerians know the enemy better than the private company
-Know the specific terrain better than the company
-Know the people better

Whole unit developed on your own soil, your own back yard. Might as well call it 72 Strike Force Pty (Ltd).

Turns out former Executive Outcomes founder Eeben Barlow was directly involved in setting up, training and introducing new tactics for Nigeria's newly founded 72 Strike Force which faced Boko Haram.

Really had nothing to do with "Reeva MRAP's are new, so foreign operators need to train Nigerians on the frontline". Really had nothing to do with Reva MRAP's at all. It was an introduction of new tactics, training methods and fighting doctrines.

One would wonder why the Nigerian Army could not develop such a unit on its own.

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patches689:
First off - this artical must be pretty awkward for those who claim the SANDF is broke

Second, the missile doesnt interest me much. What i want to know is what FCS the system uses. Is it indigenous or imported.

The reason being is that the FCS and battlefeild management system is the game changer - its arguably more important than the missile itself.

http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-17306/

This article came a few months after the 1st one in 2011


[b]FURTHER MONEY FOR GBADS 2

"The South African Army has awarded Reutech Radar Systems (Pty) Ltd of Stellenbosch an R18.950 million contract for the continued development of a dual band X-and-L band technology radar. The work forms part of Project Protector, also known as the Ground-based Air Defence System (GBADS) Phase II.


Denel and the Council for Scientific and Industrial Research were allocated two similar contracts of nearly identical value earlier this month. The award takes known spending on the radar component of the project to R93 628 093.51 since 2007. Total known spending stands at R228 416 054.90, including R134 787 961.39 on the missile and ground-based launcher system.

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Reutech Radar Systems (RRS), with Denel Dynamics and the CSIR is also receiving funding to demonstrate a 3D air defence artillery radar for GBADS 2 known as the RSR 320 or DBR XL. The system is based on the ESR 220 Thutlwa (ex Kameelperd, Giraffe) local warning radar already in service with the SA Army ADA, but with the addition of high-accuracy 3D target detection and tracking capabilities."[/b]

DENEL OVERBERG TEST RANGE

South Africa's version of "Area 51". Highly restricted access to sensitive areas. Employees are highly vetted since they deal directly with SA Air Force, Navy and sometimes Army weapons capabilites. 1 SAAF Gripen is permanently based at the range as a testbed for new weapons and systems.

High vetting is also because employees come into contact with foreign weapon systems and capabilities during testing. Range also supplies telemetry launch support for NASA and other space agencies.

Control Room
https://admin.denel.co.za/uploads//c38d0f3698a00fd605207f6aee3030d9.jpg

https://admin.denel.co.za/uploads//ae5da49bacdf0a745ac5a2a5d6e3327f.jpg


High speed camera image -Umkhonto missile launch
https://admin.denel.co.za/uploads//325521d9dd1cbf887ab442a7b05e70ea.jpg


When A-Darter missile was still a baby years ago. Testing of rocket motor.
https://admin.denel.co.za/uploads//a5542dd9e8eba86e0af6b429d9c852e3.jpg


German testing of land based Iris-T missile.
https://admin.denel.co.za/uploads//bdf142f8dc0bf5c9c0d57e389d49e518.jpg


German and Spanish Air Forces testing whatever needed to be tested.
https://admin.denel.co.za/uploads//992416687778a0169af136529e400152.jpg

https://admin.denel.co.za/uploads//d0134df9086a55b73a8be919b555365a.jpg


Someone, from somewhere was testing an air defence system. Don't recognise the fatigue pattern.

https://admin.denel.co.za/uploads//db10615e516e94baa91acc5c11e34afe.jpg


Tracking unit
https://admin.denel.co.za/uploads//30594d913a4a0ea0e2fe4e40e9554757.jpg

http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-13668/

Why do I get a sneaky feeling the army will be getting operational units in the not too distant future. Hmmm...i wonder.

Extract from 2011 article

ARMY FUNDS GBADS II

"The South African Army has awarded Denel a R30.6 million contract for design risk reduction related to the ground based launcher for the Denel Dynamics Umkhonto missile. The work forms part of Project Protector, also known as the Ground-based Air Defence System (GBADS) Phase II. 

The award takes known spending on the missile component of the project to R134 787 961.39 since 2007. Total known spending stands at R200 738 80.27."


Since the 2011 article, In October 2013 Denel demonstrated to the SA Army and 9 other un-named countries the maturity of the system at that point. Three missiles were launched, two hitting targets at 15km and one at 20km. Denel is apparently working on a +30km missile, and eventually a +60km missile.


https://admin.denel.co.za/uploads/c40549e98be769b764a713cafa84cd4c.jpg

https://admin.denel.co.za/uploads/4f37761a26ba11b2fa44aa5a84d6719b.jpg



Good example of how the South African defence industry works when developing a home grown system. Army releases a reuirement it needs. Armscor, as an agent of the DoD sets out the project requirements to Denel. Specific operational requirements (range, altititude, number of targets it can simultaneously engage), system compatibility with current and future systems...you wouldn't want to accidentally shoot down a SAAF Oryx or Rooivalk during the confusion and stress of battle. So can the system be integrated with SAAB's Impi blue force tracker for example? SAAB's blue force tracker is fitted on almost all SAAF helicopters and transport aircraft. Can it fit into a C130? Can it be slung underneath an Oryx?

Gives one an idea of what goes into developing such a system, and all the dozens and dozens of tests conducted before they become SA Army inventory.

agaugust:
[s]That is what scientists call experiment without a laboratory, a mathematical hypothesis, needs no laboratory, a paper calculated 'experiment'.

It's the same thing you are trapped with on your paper and pen calculations that you posted as a photo. It's for a vacuum.

The source clearly says his chart is for free fall bomb speed INSIDE a perfect vacuum....

"The chart shows that the vertical velocity of a bomb dropped from 20,000ft in a vacuum would be the tremendous value of 773 m.p.h. (This figure applies to any piece of matter ; even a feather released at this height in a perfect vacuum would hit the ground at 773 m.p.h or about 1,200 km/hr."

http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1940/1940%20-%202755.html

Nobody can ever calculate the real speed of a guided bomb in combat, every drop will be determined by :

1. Different horizontal wind resistance
2. Different aircraft
3. Different vertical air resistance
4. Different bomb weight
5. Different air density
6. Different bomb shape and added external kit
7. Different sideways wind resistance
8. Different bomb size
9. Different target mobility
10. Different bomb movements and directional guidance correction



That is the reason why you guys have searched internet tired today and you cannot find any military source for the speed of a dropped bomb.

Also, that is why NO MANUFACTURER in this world has ever quoted combat speed for it's guided bomb.

Show us the manufacturers' data specs sheet for the speed of Paveway and Umbani guided bombs? I dare you all


Your problem is that you think you are smarter than all military analysts and bomb manufacturers of this world, you want to become an Albert Einstein by proving the speed of a guided bomb, something that intelligent people of this world have carefully avoided for decades.

Fool

Now to your question I quote below :

"I asked you, how can a skydiver fall at 200km/h, faster than Umbani, which you claim falls at 150km/h?."

Simple, the Skydiver is smaller in size than the Umbani bomb, he is about half the size of the bomb and therefore less air resistance on him.

Also, he has no wings and the wings of a guided Umbani creates more surfaces for air to push back against and slow down the bomb.

Next, the skydiver falls free downwards, but the Umbani at 40 km away from target is also using it's little battery energy to glide forward over the distance of a whole city to city transit !

First, every single time seconds your bomb travels, it faces more exposure to air resistance horizontally pushing it backwards in a straight line.

Second, more wind resistance pushing it sideways off course and forcing it to re-correct and re-direct flight path via the guidance system to avoid going off course and missing target because it is a precision weapon and that causes up-down oscillation movement common to guided bombs.

Third, another air resistance is pushing upwards against the bomb vertically while the bomb falls down in altitude.....3 different air resistances backwards, sideways and upwards all against the guided bomb because of it's horizontal travel long distance range of many kilometers !

The skydiver man does not travel 40 km from city to city, or does he? No, he has far less struggle against air resistance, he will land on ground with more speed than your guided bomb, if he makes 200 km/hr....your bomb will make about 150 km/hr.

Let me tell you reality to save you guys from trapping and drowning yourselves into repeated delusions and hallucinations :

A bomb is slower than a missile, fact that needs no argument, all eyes see that.

A bomb has NO rocket combustion system to power it like a missile, so bombs will forever be slower than missile.

The speed of an AGM-65 Maverick missile is about 1,000 km/hr....a missile

Patches says the speed of Umbani bomb will be about 1,000 km/hr....a bomb

How does a free fall bomb and a rocket fuel powered missile move at the same speed ? Mission impossible.

That is the simple practical life proof that shows you that your assumption of a 1,000 km/hr speed bomb is very wrong, the world has NEVER built or seen such a thing !

Manufacturers publish the speed of their missiles BUT none ever published the speed of their manufactured guided bombs !

Guided bombs will speed up to about 150 km/hr.....reality of life, all bombs will be shot down by Roland missile with easy ease.
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Maybe Patchesagain or someone is willing to waste their time reading your post. I refuse to read through engineering you just make up on the spot, as you go along. Let me quote one small paragraph you typed thats shows whoever is reading this (Nigerians, South Africans, Others) that you have not got the slightest clue of what you are talking about, and this topic is beyond you. You typed this with your own fingers, no one held a gun to your head:


"Your whole argument is d.estroyed by the fact that the speed of 550 mph, 650 mph, or 773 mph, all over 1,000 km/hr, is achieved by dropping that bomb inside a perfect vacuum where no air exists, so you have to suck out all the air on planet earth to achieve your 1,000 km/hr speed according to your own source evidence :"


Now anyone with even the most basic grasp in physics can clearly see that the author of the above paragraph is clueless. The author (you) does not grasp one of the most basic universal laws. Your fatal mistake.....you quoted 3 different speeds (550, 650, 773 mph) for items falling inside a perfect vacuum. I repeat, you quoted 3 different speeds....for items falling in a perfect vacuum, dropped at 20 000 feet.

What a shocker . Now you still have the b.alls to type some long paragraph, with fake engineering as you go along. You are free to waste your own time.


P.S a "paper calculated experiment" is simply called a calculation.

agaugust:
Listen to a wise man, quoted below :

"Depends on drop method, air resistance, weight, and drop altitude. A bomb from a dive bomber would be much faster since it is "launched" at the diving aircraft's speed. Dropped from a conventional bomber, at some speed, air resistance will balance acceleration and the bomb will reach terminal velocity. This will take much longer to happen with a bomb from a dive bomber. In either case, the bomb must be released high enough to allow time to reach terminal velocity. Sorry I can't give you actual numbers."

See how you Southies contradict yourselves, Saengine says 200 km/hr, Patches says 1,000 km/hr

Now, you two fools, show us manufacturers specifications datasheet showing the speed of a guided bomb in this world

Soweto fools, na inside vacuum una go sink today
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Your brain has exploded. You are clueless. You are a security guard that has never touched a calculator in his life. In air, objects fall at different speeds based on drag. I asked you, how can a skydiver fall at 200km/h, faster than Umbani, which you claim falls at 150km/h?

You have completely hung yourself. You say no manufacturers releases the speed of guided bombs, THEN HOW DID YOU KNOW UMBANI FALLS AT 150km/h? You hacked into secret Denel files? They sent you a personal email? You have been exposed, you security guard fraud!


And NO, they DID NOT do a complex experiment in a vacuum to determine the speed of 773 mph. How do you make a 20 000 foot vacuum? It's a basic basic CALCULATION you learn in grade 8. But we can't blame you, you don't learn such from under a tree. CALCULATION is the same way they find a RANGE of 550 - 650 mph depending on drag coefficient when falling in air. Even the lowest value of 550 mph is much higher than your fake 150 km/h. Exposed fraud.

agaugust:
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LOL....LOLZ...LOLLY LOL....

You are still repeating the same suicidal quote again to w.reck yourself publicly, see the bolded part of your above quote in green font....bomb dropped in a vacuum....no air for the pilot to even breathe, no air for the jet engine to do fuel combustion and fly

Your whole argument is d.estroyed by the fact that the speed of 550 mph, 650 mph, or 773 mph, all over 1,000 km/hr, is achieved by dropping that bomb inside a perfect vacuum where no air exists, so you have to suck out all the air on planet earth to achieve your 1,000 km/hr speed according to your own source evidence :

"The chart shows that the vertical velocity of a bomb dropped from 20,000ft in a vacuum would be the tremendous value of 773 m.p.h. (This figure applies to any piece of matter ; even a feather released at this height in a perfect vacuum would hit the ground at 773 m.p.h or about 1,200 km/hr ."

http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1940/1940%20-%202755.html

Your poor South African education has k.illed Patches & Co in self-suicide

The fear of Nigeria is the beginning of common sense.

Top 10 ranked South African education is worse than that of Congo DRC.

Bwahahaahaha ! Patches has been e-slaughtered on internet today again o !

H.is bruised and battered body has been dropped inside a vacuum

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Listen to this fake military researcher who has clearly never touched a calculator or attended any physics class. The source cleary says anything dropped in a vacuum from 20 000 feet (feather, bomb, laptop, tank) would hit the ground at 773 mph. Not faster, not slower. 773 mph. There is no range "550-773 mph" for items falling in a vacuum you basic, tree educated, fo.ol. They accelerate at the same speed, and would hit the ground at the same speed from 20 000 feet. 773 mph. Basic physics.


The only way for any piece of matter to hit the ground at a speed less than 773 mph from 20 000 feet is if it's dropped in normal, standard air altitude. 550 - 650 mph is the terminal velocity range. Terminal velocity is a direct function of drag co-efficient. Drag only exists in normal air, not in a vacuum you fo.ol. Those bombs fall between 550-650 mph in standard air.

It's embarrassing that you typed this in big bold letters, when it's clear to everyone that you dont even know what terminal velocity is .

I asked you, how can a skydiver with a higher drag coefficient than a streamlined bomb fall at a terminal velocity of 200km/h? But you claim Umbani only falls at 150km/h? Im sure your brain exploded when you saw that question.

You are a fake. Utter, complete fake. Security guard who wishes he was a military researcher who "works with ex fighter pilots". Utter fake.

agaugust:
Jets don't win air war because of their name or reputation, they win based on the missiles they carry. Simple fact.

SAAF Gripen jets have NO long range air to air missile, NAF F-7 will match them or use extra range advantage of PL-9C missile.

South Africa bought Gripen jets with poor short legged air to air missiles, that is your country's stupiidity and error and is none of my business, it's your problem not mine. Who c.ursed SAAF with curse not to have a long range BVR missile, am I the witch/wizard that cursed them ?

Your jets get into air to air combat with enemy interceptor jets as soon as they get airborne, you cannot even get a chance to drop your guided bombs with NAF jets firing PL-9C missiles at your Gripen jets struggling for survival, the Hawk jets won't even wait to see the F-7 Vs Gripen outcome, they will run away for survival

You say it's my opinion, but the technical data sheets prove me right for all these weapons capabilities :

At 40 km away, your Gripen radar CANNOT identify specific targets.

At close range below 10 km your Gripen jet gets sh.ot down.

You want to use recon pod at 30,000 feet ? 10 km away above clouds you cannot identify and enemy target, what is the maximum range of your recce pod for precision targeting ?

Paveway bomb maximum range is about 15 km.

Umbani or Al Tariq and Paveway guided bombs all have a snail slow speed of less than 150 km/hr.....the Roland anti-air missile flies over 2,000 km/hr .

Shilka anti-air gun is radar guided and is designed to sh.oot down jets that fly at about 1,000 km / hr....your guided bomb speed is only 150 km/hr like a tortoise crawling to the market to do shopping .

South Africa has a useless long range capacity that will be neutralized by Nigerian air force and army.

Your weapons will work better against countries like Lesotho and Swaziland, go try your luck there
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Again....you will be demolished every single time. Forcing you to make up sh*t as you go along.

-Nigeria has NO/ZERO 35km air-air missile. You have an obsolete 3rd generation 22km missile.

-Gripen with Iris-T will shoot down F-7 with PL-9 every single time. Fact. Deal with it. Even your master God Beegeagle says F-7's were a complete waste of money. High value scrap.

-You see how you just make sh*t up? Today....2015....no airctaft can identify targets at 30000 feet? Are you ma.d? Seeker UAV can see a tennis ball at 5000 feet, you dont think a dedicated recon pod cant see artillery positions, convoys, radar masts, oil refineries at 30 000 feet? Gripen doesn't even need to be there....6km is just fine. Capturing target GPS locations, and relaying it back to Hawks.

-Nigerian pretend air defences cannot cover all key positions. You keep running away from that point. We will gladly bomb your oil refineries, air port runways, bridges, arms depos, convoys etc etc. You will be stretched thin.

-post proof NOW that Umbani travels at 150km/h. Show us an article which SPECIFICALLY states the speed of Umbani, and names Umbani by name. Umbani is not just a simple glide to target bomb. It can perform maneuvers when approaching target. You think a weapon which can perform a dog-leg turn over target, swoop down to hit at 90 degree angle is only travelling at 150km/h?

-only a basic fo.ol like you educated under a tree will think a streamlined bomb, which a much much lower drag coefficient has a lower terminal velocity than a skydiver. A skydiver can fall above 200km/h. Now you come and tell us a streamlined bomb, falling from 30 000 feet will only reach 150km/h. Go back to school fo.ol.

You see how you are a fake military researcher who starts making up numbers when he panics?

agaugust:
[s]Everything you wrote above is like a video game for kids.


Every bomb dropped by British air force against Argentina's air base was shöt down and wasted by Roland missiles.

Bombs are just too slow to become a threat to an air base defended by radar guided AAA and SAM....you just waste your bombs and fly back home with ZERO achievement.


The Nigerian air base ground radar will detect all your Hawk and Gripen jets from hundreds of kilometers away and fly to intercept even before you launch any guided bomb. With 35 km range PL-9C BVR missiles and superior flight altitude the NAF F-7 jets will shööt down ALL your Gripens and Hawks.

On the ground, your inexperienced SANDF special forces and spotters will be killed by blood thirsty Nigerian army infantry and special forces who are smoking hot with current battlefield experience in a 6 year war, battle hardened Nigerian troops who have killed Shekau I and II, deadly Naija Ninja army who recently fought and won massive battles inside Alagrano forest, Balmo forest, Sambisa forest, Baga desert, Bama desert, Gwoza mountains, Mubi hills, Maiduguri streets, Konduga streets where we slaughtered 1,000 Boko Harams like rams....kill....wë kill....Nigerian army kills in thousands.....every SANDF soldier that walks or drives out of your army base will NEVER return home alive !

On land and in air, Nigerian military is currently smoking hot fresh and battle hardened from a 6 year war with 6,000 air combat sorties in 6 months by NAF....South African military has just been sleeping at home with their wives....your air force has NOT flown a single combat sortie in 20 years

Nigerian army is commanded by currently experienced Napoleon Generals. South African army is commanded by a rag tag ex rebel ANC freedom fighter trained in Zimbabwe and with ZERO war experience apart from Bantu AK-47 runs in the failed freedom fight against his white apartheid masters, where he achieved ZERO success

Kenyan military is more experienced than South African military both on land and in the air. Kenyans fight El-Shabab on land and jets bomb Somalia.

SANDF was commanded and controlled by Tanzanian army in Congo DRC....United Nations put SANDF was in the same combat capacity bucket with Malawi....Tanzania was the shepherd and Malawi + South Africa were his fücking sheep
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Told you. Your opinion is irrelevent. NAF has no immaginary 35km missile. Its 22km...deal with it. 1 Gripen escorting 2 Hawks, with multiple such attacks is more F-7's and PL-9 missiles than Nigeria can put in the sky. Your so called air force will be stretched thin, and demolished in one day. If Nigeria had Gripen and SA had F-7 you would still say SA's F-7 will shoot Gripen down? Are you m.ad?

Roland SAM and other air defence cannot be at every key defence location. They cannot be all key oil refineries supplying fuel to troops, and also all air force bases, and also also command posts, and all artillery batteries, and also all supply convoys, etc etc. As said before Umbani and Paveway will demolish such sights....with deadly accuracy. Deal with it.

South Africa has a key long range strike capability, to hit targets at pin point accuracy. Deal with it.