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agaugust:
Nice photos, but Lion Effort was 3 years ago. NO Proof all your Gripen pilots were standard qualified then in 2012, and worse today NO SINGLE Gripen pilot in South Africa is qualified with 250 flying hours per pilot per year as at today 2015.

SAAF jets have flown ZERO combat mission since you purchased them 7 years ago. NO proof your air force can win a real life war.

NAF flew 6,000 combat missions in 6 months .

SAAF should be ranked number 20 in Africa
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agaugust:
First photo...ground crew NOT pilots.

Other photos give NO proof they are Gripen pilots, NO proof they flew in Lion Effort exercise 2012, NO proof they are combat qualified today 2015 with 250 flying hours each.

These are just normal Southie photo club military men posing as if they can do what they cannot do, ask a real SAAF pilot to shoot down a Pigeon now and he will miss target, bunch of military failures
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Henry120:
OLODO!!!

3 shells landed 15 meters from Anthony Day's boat. It doesn't mean only 3 shots were fired.

The ineptitude of the South-African Navy.

http://m.ewn.co.za/2015/03/27/SANDF-warship-accidentally-shoots-at-a-fishing-boat


Any other Navy would send that fishing trawler to the sea bed.

agaugust:
Yes ! SANDF + SAAF + SAN will miss target as usual ! Incompetent by nature !

Poor marksmanship, remember I said before that SANDF's true capabilities will be exposed in a challenging war environment.

Angola will wreck y.ou, Tanzania will ruin y.ou !

SAN just got it's ACID TEST OF TRUE COMBAT SKILL and Soweto navy FAILED !

You asking me to come and be a test target? Your navy just got live target, huge target, a whole fishing vessel in front of your two koro-Kori eyes and Soweto navy gunners fired severally and missed severally.....in real war against a Navy like Nigeria your sailors won't live to tell the story because we will sink your ship to the bottom of the ocean and sharks will eat sweet dinner that day o !

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Henry120:
Ramblings of a drowning South-African grasping at nothingness.


Nobody needs to visit soweto as the scenario has already played out.

A fisherman was the target,
Anthony Day and his crew were in the boat,
SA navy sailors fired their 76mm,
SA navy sailors missed.

Anthony Day VS incompetence,
Incompetence triumphs!

agaugust:
Bro, I have always repeated it here !

Gripen jet, Hawk jet, Artillery, IFV, Rooivalk, riflemen, all SANDF inexperienced green horns firing weapons into open sand or empty bush, in Hollywood videos and photos posted all over internet, firing at no specific target and no enemy that retaliates to shoot back at them.....ALL NA WASH...WISHY WASHY WASH !

Wait till SANDF faces an enemy well armed with weapons to fire back, then you will see the leaking holes of South Africa as a military äss-hole

These guys CANNOT face Boko Haram inside Soweto township, inaccurate shooting will wipe out 50% of the innocent women and children while the real enemy dribbles SANDF around like Rhino poachers do, always do
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agaugust:
A navy with sailors that cannot swim, but fire weapons accurately will sink all the swimmer sailors and incompetent gunners on board South African warships.

The world is now seeing a the real exposed äss of South African navy ! A coast guard will sink SAN, because your Hollywood navy cannot shoot straight
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agaugust:
No navy fights war by jumping into to ocean like Olympic swimming competitors. Naval men sail in ships and fight in ships.

When your navy gets into the ocean, they can abandon ship and go swimming so that sharks can eat them.

[s]For South African navy, the world just found out your gunners are NOT qualified to use naval weapons on their own warships....

Fake blue water navy [/s]
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Henry120:
The SA navy could not hit an Aircraft carrier if it sailed right in-front of them.

An incompetent lot they are.

*The video the rounds sure destroyed the boat

Henry120:
Nope, it was the incompetent SA navy


Even you can't be this naive. With 3 shells landing just 15 meters from the boat, they sure were trying to hit the boat. Any other navy would have sunk the boat.

The incompetence of the SA navy shone through.



The Skipper is taking the SA navy for it's incompetence. This incompetence saved his life.

Henry120:
Not according to the articles from Defenceweb.
In 2013, the SAAF only had 6 qualified Gripen pilots, who fly a combined total of 120 hours.
So you see, your 6 qualified Gripen pilots aren't even qualified in the true sense.
There can be 10,000 qualified hawk pilots. What is however un-mistaken is you had on 6 qualified(un-qualified) pilots in 2013, and a total 18 Air crew for 26 fighter planes.

Henry120:
Even more.

3 rounds, yet the inept officers couldn't hit a freaking fishing boat.

I mean, how hard can that be?

Henry120:
Direct your question to your MoD, they take the decisions not me . I've only stated the number (9)of pilots.

Henry120:
You have a total 9 pilots and 9 navigators for a total of 18 air crew, for 26 planes.

You had 6 pilots in 2013.

Henry120:
Show us proof that you have 14 pilots for 26 fighter jets.

Henry120:
Not accurate.

You have 26 Gripens in service.
18 Aircrew (pilots and navigators)
In 2013 you only had 6 qualified Gripen pilots.
9 pilots and 9 navigators.

Henry120:
Next

Henry120:
You know, you can't be classified as Human, you're more like an experiment. Fvcking half and half malay pig.


If it takes you 16 years to raise 9 pilots, and you claim to have 30 years left in the Gripen, how long would it take you raise 26 pilots?

27 pilots by 2045.

Noted.

SAAF would have it's full compliment of Gripen pilots by the year 2045.

Henry120:
Our November 2014 Defenceweb link states clearly that the SANDF only has 18 Gripen Aircrew (pilots & navigators) for 26 Gripen fighter jets.

they aren't numbers from years back. Actually numbers from 2013 showed the SAAF only had 6 qualified Gripen pilots.

New pilots get trained, they grew from 6 to 9 pilots.

I wonder what the correlation between NAF and it's proposed JF-17 deal is with the fact the SAAF has an embarrassing shortfall of Gripen pilots?

IHS Janes quoting a senior Pakistani Air officer said the NAF was about finalising a deal for the delivery of 25- 40 planes. This report comes from a very reputable source, very valid in the course of the discussions we have, and references would continue to be made.

JF-17 pilot trainings for the NAF cannot come in to play, as the NAF haven't yet signed the JF-17 contract.


However, I can assure you, if and when the JF-17 deal is finally signed, it would not take the NAF 15 years to train 9 pilots or 18 JF-17 Air crew.

Yet again, deal with your pilot shortfall. That's what you should be concerned with, not the NAF.

9 pilots - 26 planes - 16 years = that's an F!

Not a number to be proud of.

Henry120:
Nope, you have a total 9 pilots and 9 navigators for 26 planes.
You brought in Cuban mercenaries to perform basic truck servicing. Trucks which you've always had in service.
The Cuban mercenaries can do it better since they have the requisite skill set, we cannot say the same for the SANDF.

agaugust:
SAAF did NOT fire ANY missile exercise Lion Effort, it was a video game cat and mouse chase around the air with other countries that have ZERO air combat experience in modern times. The Gripen family of users is a social club of Countries that have NOT fought any war in the past 20 years.

NAF has flown 6,000 combat missions in the past 6 months and we fired near BVR missiles in real combat training with world power Pakistani air force in game of death combat training
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Henry120:
More like at the ratio of 9 pilots to 26 Gripens.

15 years and counting.........

Mikeczar, why does the SAAF have so few pilots for a paltry 26 planes after 15 years?

agaugust:
[s]Thanks ! So NAF does not need air to air jet fighter war experience, and NAF don't need air to air combat experience in a contested airspace because we already have the training with Pakistani air force using our F-7 jets with extra trainer versions PL-9C missiles with BVR range.
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NAF is superior to SAAF, we have fired BVR missiles in combat training with Pakistan, but SAAF has NEVER fired a single IRIS-T missile on Gripen jets, you have NO SINGLE training missiles IRIS-T, so your pilots training is incomplete and inferior.

[s]South African air force is dead....

1. No BVR missile
2. No missile training rounds
3. Only 6 pilots for Gripen
4. No fighter jet pilot qualified with combat rating 150 hours standard
5. No aviation fuel
6. Flights are restricted to V.I.P transport for ANC politicians only.

Mandela's air force is as dead as Mandela himself [/s]
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agaugust:
[s]NO NO NO.....35 km is MAXIMUM EFFECTIVE RANGE according to army recognition below....effective kill range is 35 km...

http://www.armyrecognition.com/china_chinese_army_missile_systems_vehicles/pl-9c_shorad_short_range_ground-to-air_missile_technical_data_sheet_specifications_pictures_video.html


Usual range is commonly expected use range for missiles and the usual range for A-Darter missile is ONLY 10 km, while maximum effective range is 20 km for A-Darter .

NAF has F-7 jet with near BVR missile range 35 km to destroy the entire SAAF in 5 minutes.

You guys are sweating like mad.men on your laptops since yesterday o, because of NAF near BVR missile 35 km range PL-9C [/s]
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Patchesagain:
[size=20pt]Augubgugugug

According to your own link max range is 22km

Argument over. I am not validating your ridiculous claims anymore.

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saengine:
http://www.strategycenter.net/research/pubID.181/pub_detail.asp


"By the mid 1990s China’s main missile maker Luoyang had developed the PL-9, which took the fuselage of the Python-3, attached different guidance fins, and incorporated a copy of the Ukrainian Arsenel helmet sight, called the TK-14 in Chinese service, to make a new AAM.[6] The latest PL-9C features an increase in range of 22km, up from 15km for the PL-9, PL-8 and Python-3 AAMs."