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South African Navy is scheduled to fire two Umkhonto vertically launched SAM's today during Exercise Good Hope. Germans will also fire two of their own missiles.

Same Umkhonto missiles which a certain someone here (no names mentioned) said are "fake" and dont exist within the SA Navy.

agaugust:
Nope, you are the victim of Soweto breed sub-standard South African education.

Fool, it is the same missile PL-9C fired as air to air OR air to ground, same missile, same specifications NO difference in the missile itself.

Show me where army recognition says the air launch and ground launch PL-9C have different maximum ranges, show me below...

http://www.armyrecognition.com/china_chinese_army_missile_systems_vehicles/pl-9c_shorad_short_range_ground-to-air_missile_technical_data_sheet_specifications_pictures_video.html

The fuel load inside a missile determines it's range, the fuel load is the same in both variants, there is no small size or big size PL-9C missile, they are both same capacity and same 115 kg weight, same fuel load, and your science is too poor to let you know that fuel load determines range of a traveling rocket propellant.

22 km is used for air to air usual range, 35 km is the maximum effective range air to air or ground to air.

That is why army recognition data says Range = 22 km, Maximum Range = 35 km.

You thought I did not read army recognition analysis before I posted it? Mumu domingo

http://www.armyrecognition.com/china_chinese_army_missile_systems_vehicles/pl-9c_shorad_short_range_ground-to-air_missile_technical_data_sheet_specifications_pictures_video.html

PL-9C = PL-9C no matter the launcher system you use.

Fool, altitude only applies when the PL-9C is fired from the ground based launcher, the missile is used both as air to air. and ground to air combat.

The ground launch had ceiling or altitude because the fire control radar is fixed on ground, the air launch is at any altitude the the jet fighter can fly to, F-7 flies at almost 18 km altitude and is BETTER than the Gripen 15 km altitude. Use your coconut head when you read.

F-7 jet has superior altitude to the Gripen so NAF can fire missiles at SAAF from over your fvcking coconut heads above your level !

F-7 jet missile range 35 km near BVR

Gripen jet missile range 25 km short range !

NAF kills SAAF.....I have rattled you Southies into sweating and fainting mode today

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Wow...you've actually gone and made this entire thing up. My goodness

You actually sat there and typed and typed and typed. Came up with a whole new form of missile engineering in your head, all by yourself. You must be so proud!


http://www.strategycenter.net/research/pubID.181/pub_detail.asp


"By the mid 1990s China’s main missile maker Luoyang had developed the PL-9, which took the fuselage of the Python-3, attached different guidance fins, and incorporated a copy of the Ukrainian Arsenel helmet sight, called the TK-14 in Chinese service, to make a new AAM.[6] The latest PL-9C features an increase in range of 22km, up from 15km for the PL-9, PL-8 and Python-3 AAMs."


Mr Missile Engineer. If surface-air PL-9 had been developed in the 80's, what was Luoyang missile maker doing "developing" the air-air variant in the 90's? Accoring to you its the exact same missile.

agaugust:
[size=13pt]PL-9 missile is for 4th generation fighters, it has ECM, nobody builds modern missiles in that class, for almost a million dollars per missile with no internal ECM. Even 1980s Otomat missile has ECM.

F-7NI jets of NAF have a near BVR missile, the PL-9C and the range is 35 km.

http://www.armyrecognition.com/china_chinese_army_missile_systems_vehicles/pl-9c_shorad_short_range_ground-to-air_missile_technical_data_sheet_specifications_pictures_video.html

A-Darter range is very poor at 20 km and even shorter than PL-9 range 35 km. F-7 kills Gripen from extra 15 km distance away.

When SAAF flies it's first combat jet mission since 20 years ago, come back talk to us. NAF flew 6,000 combat missions in the past 6 months.

We are NOT in your league of redundant sit at home air forces with poor range air to air missiles.

NAF has near BVR air to air missile....PL-9C....range 35 km

SAAF air force is dead....((((((( BOOM ))))))
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Perhaps you think you are talking to a group of 5 year olds who cant read. This post proves you a mentally sick, attention seeking fraud.


35 km range = surface to air variant of PL-9C missile.
22km range = air to air variant

F00l

Did you not read your own link? Are you mentally sick? Look at the red box in your screengrab. Just next to it....what does it say?? ALTITUTE LIMIT 6.5km.

What kind of air to air missile has an ALTITUDE LIMIT of only 6.5km?? Gripen pilots will fly at 22 000 feet, shoot your rust buckets down, while chatting to their wives on whatsapp. And there will be nothing you can do about it.

You see how you have been sent to your hole? How your stupi.dity has been exposed? Waste of space.

agaugust:
[s]PL-9 missile is for 4th generation fighters, it has ECM, nobody builds modern missiles in that class, for almost a million dollars per missile with no internal ECM. Even 1980s Otomat missile has ECM.

A-Darter range is 20 km and even shorter than PL-9 range 22 km. F-7 kills Gripen.

When SAAF flies it's first combat jet mission since 20 years ago, come back talk to us. NAF flew 6,000 combat missions in the past 6 months.

We are NOT in your league of redundant sit at home air forces [/s]
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Waste of data. Waste of internet. Waste of space.

Your personal opinions are irrelevant.

A Darter/Iris-T can hit incoming missiles - engineering fact

PL-9 cannot hit incoming missiles - engineering fact

Gripen will completely and utterly destroy F-7 - engineering fact

Your opinion =/= engineering fact
Your opinion = pathetic, attention seeking stunt


Name one 4th generation jet that uses PL-9 missiles operationally. F-7 jet =/= 4th generation.

You have a 3rd generation missile, for a 3rd generation jet. Which will be completely demolished by Gripen. Basic fact. Deal with it.

agaugust:
[s]Spew more garbage, you have freedom of speech on Nairaland.

NAF PL-9C missile has it's own inbuilt ECM, it's a modern missile....with 90% kill probability....Your Gripens short range misses forces SAAF to fly into no-escape-kill-zone.

NAF ATR-42 flies with F-7 jet escort, and 330 km range radar, it sees all SANDF activities out of range of your 1 km ceiling Starstreak SAMS.

We will oppress your ZERO experienced pilots and soldiers....SANDF is a virtual-online-internet-web based military.

Come back for a debate when your impotent photo-club SAAF has flown one half of NAF's 6,000 combat sorties, like these....[/s]
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Waste of Internet. PL-9 has zero self defence function. The only killing that will happen Gripen vs F-7 is a dead Nigerian pilot.

No need to waste Starstreak missiles on ATR-42. ATR-42 can even have 500km range radar if it makes you happy. Gripen will fire from 24km out....turn those men to minced meat. Steak and kidney pies. Those planes are only good for the likes of Boko Haram.

agaugust:
Nope, SAAF has NO A-Darter missile in service.

By the time you induct A-Darter we will have NAF JF-17 Thunder.

A-Darter has same problem with PL-9C....short range 22 km. We die together !

SAAF = NAF in air to air combat.

SAAF has zero air to ground combat experience with Gripen and Hawk jets, NAF has flown over 2,000 air to ground combat sorties in 3 months.

SAAF is 66 years behind NAF in ISTAR capability.

SAAF has NO SINGLE air to surface missile, NAF has 30 air to surface missiles.

SAAF will NAF's next Ra.pe victim after Boko Haram

NOW CASE PROPERLY CLOSED !
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Lmao! Talk about completely changing the topic after you see you've been defeated. From F-7 jets to air to surface missiles.

Did you not see me specifically talking about Iris-T missiles as well?

You will have JF-17, with missiles, with fully trained pilots within the next 2-3 months?? Let me bookmark this page to embarrass you later. You are completely delusional. Infact you are not delusional....you are simply being a troll.

A-Darter and Iris-T missiles are also self defence missiles. Yours are not. Your jets have no way to defend themselves. Gripen will completely and utterly out maneuver F-7 jets.....fact.

Like i have told you before, go stand in an open field/bush/covering and see if our "unexperienced" Gripen and Hawk pilots wont hit you. Turn you to minced meat.

Come fly your surveillance aircraft over Pretoria and see if a Hawk jet with simple guns wont shoot it down. Zero protection whatsoever. You can only spy on Boko Haram, and no country with a slightly modern air force. You yourself have said this on Beegeagle blog.

agaugust:
[s]Why are you afraid of the Angolan man on this forum? All because he comes with his Su-30 Flanker against your Gripen jet . LOL !!!

You ask him to go away from the forum because the debate is not honest here, so why are you here then? You love the 'dis-honest' debate, so let him love it too....Fool ![/s]

Yes I am the one who said F-7 and Gripen are on par in maneuverability, I have proved it here last year with videos of both jets in the air.

You need to prove me wrong with infallible proofs, not your private dishonest opinion.

SAAF and NAF are also on par with air to air missiles, we both arm our jets with short range missiles, both pilots will fly into 'NO-ESCAPE KILL-ZONE' and die together in 10 seconds.

[s]You need solid technical analysis to prove me wrong, but you won't be able, I work with some of the best ex-USAF pilots in the world with combat experience, I know the secrets of real combat, you don't !

Welcome to the slaughter house built by Nigerians on this forum, challenge us if you dare ![/s]
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Oh my God! You PROVED it by watching videos?? Oh my goodness....how embarassing . How amazingly embarrassing...wow.

So when the Nigerian Air Force generals look for a new jets to replace F-7 they go onto youtube? Lmao!

Gripen and F-7 are not in the same class at all. Completely different generation of jets. Fact. Waste your own time and google it. Even Beegeagle says your F-7's are crap. Waste of time. So waste your own time, not mine.


Gripen will utterly and completely r.ape F-7. Any missile you manage to fire at us will be shot down in self defence, which Iris-T and A-Darter can do.You will be r.aped....fact.

Add to that....Nigeria has 3rd generation PL-9C missiles. Range is 22km. IRIS-T has a range of 25km. We will shoot you down before you even have the chance to fire at us.


SA Airforce safe if missiles fired from max range
SA Airforce safe if missiles fired from close range
SA Airfirce safe if guns are needed at close range

CASE CLOSED

South African Navy reportedly have a small remote underwater vehicle for anti-mine warfare. Tryna find some pics.

jl115:
@Agaugust doesnt think so!

Augustine says:
March 19, 2015 at 12:50 am
Terrorists have struck Tunisia, one of the most stable Arab nations. Speculations point to ISIS from Libya.

NATO coalition in Iraq confesses slow progress means air campaign alone will not defeat ISIS, wary of ground troops deployment.

Nigeria still has serious shortage of weapons/equipment, and wide gaping capability gaps in combat. We have enough weapons to defeat Boko Haram today based on recent importations, but not enough to be a military power that can work with Egypt effectively. I won’t go into this topic again until after this war is over soon, hopefully after elections.

I still insist that Nigeria is buying weapons in trickles of 5 units, 10 units usual tradition…..and NAF is far behind and outside the top 10 as Africa’s number 11th ranked nation in air combat power…..NA remains one of the obsolete armies in terms of equipment in Africa, no single laser guided ATGM to boast of, reliable SAM is almost non-existent.

Let me keep quiet lest I offend my ogas again o !

His boyfriend H*nry120 is going to claim its not him.

POST BY AUGUSTINE ON NAIRALAND REGARDING WHITE HELICOPTER PMC'S -

agaugust:
[size=16pt]Illiterate, that white guy with his back turned is wearing a tool belt on his waist, and more like an electrician's tool belt, screwdrivers, spanners, 100 watts soldering iron, testers, snips-wire cutters, pliers, electrical volt meter, he is a repair/maintenance technician for sure, NOT a pilot !

Those white guys are our casual labourers.

We own you !

Mumu
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POST BY AUGUSTINE ON BEEGEAGLE REGARDING SAME ISSUE -

Augustine on March 15, 2015 at 6:01 am

The white man turning his back to camera is a technician for maintenance and repair of the Gazelle helicopters, not likely a pilot at all. He wears a tool belt on his waist, and that is more like an electrician’s tool belt style of pouch for wire cutter snips, mini volt meter, screwdrivers, 100 watt soldering iron, pliers, etcAs far as I am able to see, a white man aircraft electrician for service and maintenance.



It is obvious to any reasonable person that this is the same person talking. Especially coupled with the evidence of the OPV missile launch screengrabs. Which don't exist on any other site on the internet. They were confirmed to be owned by the "beegeagle Augustine", but were in possession of the "nairaland Augustine" the day before. Unless he has a time machine, thats impossible.


He simply comes to this site to vent some sort of weird anger. It's hard to tell. Perhaps childhood based. He is nothing more than a troll on this site, but very often on Beegeale he speaks the honest truth. It's actually quite weird.

SA Navy festival....yesterday

https://i762.photobucket.com/albums/xx267/Jerrycan_photo/IMG_0812%20S101_zpsn0odcwiw.jpg

https://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm176/aerodean/Navy%20Festival%202015/IM2_2148_zpsn6mvzbn5.jpg

Harbour Patrol

https://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm176/aerodean/Navy%20Festival%202015/_MG_9023_zpsozitnfhv.jpg

https://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm176/aerodean/Navy%20Festival%202015/_MG_9028_zps0xrbm2x4.jpg

Pics by Dean and Doug

dacostaANG:
I wanna start of by comparing current Air power of Angola, South Africa, Nigeria.

First of all I would like to ask my brothers from Nigeria if there air force has the capability to take Angola on in a dogfight between SU-30K's vs F-7 currently in service of our respective nations.

Let me be honest with you. If you want real answers, and a good honest debate.....dont waste your time on this forum. I mean someone has already answered you and managed to sneak this in...."Gripen is on par with F-7". Don't know how clued up you are on the matter, but thats the quality of answer you're going to get.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ac/Nigerian_Air_Force_Chengdu_FT-7NI_Iwelumo-2.jpg

"ON PAR" WITH


https://www.pixstel.com/saaf-gripen-on-flightline_pics221-22148.jpg

Facts. As opposed to someone else's loud opinion. Leaked South African spy cables also show proof of Russian technicians working in South Africa....regarding ground control based in SA. Two completely separate sources, saying the same thing. As opposed to a mad man shouting here.

saengine:
http://www.russianspaceweb.com/kondor-e.html

RUSSIA ORBITS SOUTH AFRICA'S FIRST SPY SATELLITE Kondor-E


https://www.russianspaceweb.com/images/spacecraft/military/imint/kondor/mockup_1.jpg


Murky history of the Kondor-E project

On May 19, 2006, the South-African Ministry of Defense awarded a contract to the Russian company NPO Mashinostroenia (NPO Mash for short) for the development of a spy satellite with a synthetic aperture radar, capable of all-weather, day-and-night imaging of the Earth's surface. The spacecraft would be based on the company's Kondor (MKA DZZ) project first proposed in mid-1990s. In turn, Kondor derived from a Soviet-era Almaz radar-carrying space station. The Kondor development apparently received a code-name Project Flute within the South-African military and intelligence circles. In Russia, the same project was probably also referred to as 710KS. A price tag for the Kondor-E contract was cited at around $108 million.

The project Flute is believed to be a brainchild of the General "Mojo" Motau, who served as a head of Defense Intelligence at the time. The South-African intelligence planned to use the satellite for various surveillance goals, including battlefield reconnaissance. However, around 2007, the South-African government froze Project Flute after the nation's officials had realized that the full control over the satellite and its data would remain in Russian hands and South Africa would depend entirely on NPO Mash for the spacecraft operation. Such an arrangement would likely result in a significant delay of the access to imagery by military users in South Africa after the pictures had been snapped in orbit. In turn, it would dramatically reduce the value of Kondor's photos for the military, which needs up to a minute updates on the situation on the ground.

In response to the closure of the project, NPO Mashinostroenia threatened with a legal action, probably demanding a compensation for already incurred expenses. Moreover, the scandal around Kondor-E threatened to derail a planned launch of the South-African Sumbandila satellite on a Russian submarine-based missile. (The satellite was eventually launched by the Russian civilian space agency, Roskosmos). The situation also led to demands within the South African parliament to investigate the affair.


Ground control in South Africa?

Possibly, in order to address the problem, NPO Mash planned to build a ground station in South Africa, which would control and operate the satellite, industry sources said. Russia would also train personnel manning the facility. The South African center would have an automated data exchange system with a mission control operated by NPO Mash at its campus in Reutov, near Moscow. NPO Mash planned to subcontract the responsibility for setting up and supporting a secure network to Moscow-based company ZAO KB SvetComputers. The company's team was to be secretly dispatched for a month-long assignment in South Africa to deploy the system. A secure satellite channel, fiber-optic lines and radio communications would be used to transfer information between Kondor's mission controls in Russia and in South Africa. The new arrangement might have jump-started the troubled project, but it also likely further escalated its cost.

According to various reports, between 2006 and 2014, the South-African Defense Intelligence channeled from $109 to $259 million through a secret Special Defense Account dedicated to the "development of a strategic information collection capability." It is unclear whether this sum funded any other projects besides Flute.

The opposition members of the South-African parliament were still demanding the investigation of the Flute project as late as 2014, as Kondor-E was finally approaching the launch pad. However the South-African government was resisting the release of most details on Kondor-E, citing its highly classified nature and national security concerns. Still, Pretoria made available annual financial statements from the Special Defense Account from 2010 to 2014, showing following expenditures:


2014: Launch preparations

On October 15, a South-African delegation headed by the Minister of Science and Technology Naledi Pandor visited Roskosmos to discuss space cooperation between two countries. According to the Roskosmos' press-release, two sides "touched upon the issues of necessity for the development of a satellite network for remote-sensing of the Earth and problems of cadre for the development of space industry in Russia and in South Africa."

On October 22, 2014, during a meeting of a Portfolio Committee on Defense and Military Veterans, the South African Defense Secretary Sam Gulube confirmed that a military satellite was "on track" for launch, essentially revealing the South-African connection to the Kondor-E project.


Launch: 2014 Dec. 19

https://www.russianspaceweb.com/images/spacecraft/military/imint/kondor/kondor_e/launch_1.jpg

According to Roscosmos, the successful launch of Kondor-E took place on December 19, 2014, at 07:43 Moscow Time. The official press-release said that the satellite had a nominal separation from the booster stage of the launch vehicle and was transferred under a flight control of a customer. NORAD observations registered two objects associated with the launch:

Within hours after the liftoff, a source close to the project reported on the online forum of the Novosti Kosmonavtiki magazine that the satellite had established communications with ground control, downlinked telemetry and began opening its imaging radar antenna. In the meantime, ground observations of the satellite apparently detected some increase in its brightness, likely confirming the successful deployment of the radar antenna, In the second half of December, the satellite was undergoing in-orbit tests.

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Back from Exercise Good Hope with the Germans

https://www.groundshout.co.za/misc/simonstown/2015/20150319_EOS600D_076405.jpg

https://www.groundshout.co.za/misc/simonstown/2015/20150319_EOS600D_076320.jpg

jln115:
When did this happen?thought we only had 16 silos with the option to increase to 32, but hey im not complaining.
Was it perhaps when they went in for a refit late last year, when these upgrades were made?

Apparently been 32 for a long time. Not sure since when.

agaugust:
How?

Nigeria has 3 satellites including a cloud penetrating radar satellite. We have used satellites for several years in combat.

South Africa just got ONLY ONE satellite and it's an inferior monkey model from Russia, you could not afford the cost of NATO European made satellite. Your next major weapons purchase will likely be made in China. European equipment costs have started tearing your lean pockets.

Anyway, we welcome your Russian made monkey model lonely all alone satellite. Nigeria has 3, SA has only 1. We have advantage over you
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Lol...you can almost hear the anger in this guys voice.

You sure you dont want to take this comment back before people jump on your back regarding this issue? Compared to the specs of Kondor E? You have two earth observation satellites, to help farmers with disaster management. We have a dedicated military spec satellite operated by Defence Intelligence.

P.S how much military equipment does Nigeria have from Russia and China? Did you think about this comment before posting? I highly doubt.

*sits back, graps popcorn*

#ThrowbackThursday

32 Umkhonto surface-to-air missile silos on SA Navy Frigate. Range increased to 20km with improved rocket motor, but still keeping the same missile dimensions.

https://www.digitaljournal.com/img/7/4/6/4/4/7/i/5/3/8/p-large/Navy_article008.jpg

[img]http://1.bp..com/-g3K3aLeQcV0/T4moX4CKVrI/AAAAAAAAE78/QHR0Ibhl0Tc/s1600/Navy%2BDay_014.JPG[/img]

https://www.defenceweb.co.za/images/stories/SEA/SEA_NEW/umkhonto5_400x300.jpg

Simon's Town Naval Base yesterday

https://www.groundshout.co.za/misc/simonstown/2015/20150318_EOS600D_075695.jpg

https://www.groundshout.co.za/misc/simonstown/2015/20150318_EOS600D_075337.jpg


https://www.groundshout.co.za/misc/simonstown/2015/20150318_EOS600D_075149.jpg


https://www.groundshout.co.za/misc/simonstown/2015/20150318_EOS600D_075368.jpg

patches689:
Transfer of Condor-E is now confirmed by SIPRI

Now we have another advantage over Nigeria

South African Defence Intelligence with synthetic aperture radar satellite with 1 square meter resolution. Day and night serveillance. Thumbs up. I remember some people on here saying South Africa "has no such satellite"

Official launch pictures

https://spaceflightnow.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/3899703353.jpg

https://spaceflightnow.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/2610007567.jpg

stillchris:
lol... your IQ is quite low my brother.

so a group of mercs were brought in by a contractor/company, and sent to their various AOR. doea that mean the mercs have not been briefed and know what and how many is on ground before being posted? do you even know anything about the military or you just like to keep yourself busy here?

Your attempt to bring in the special task force even proves you are the panicky one. so now we agree your bush war veterans are unfit for combat then. case closed. nice attempt brah... come up with another one.

i wonder how you managed to scale through school. (that's if you went at all)

Listen nice and carefully....

That article is about SA mercs working with a specific group within a specialised unit of the Nigerian Army. Those men are centralized to that specific unit, and are clueless as to numbers, units, weaponery of other PMC in other Nigerian units 100's of kilometers away. No mercenary can confirm or deny numbers. They are mercenaries...not high command.

A 45/50/55 year old man with combat experience and highly skilled is just as deadly as a 20 year old. It is not basic training where you have to be super fit. It is training others on maneuvers, movements, clearing, vehicles... things that dont need a 20 year old body. When/if contact is made Boko Haram dont know the difference between a 50 yr old bullet or 23 year old bullet.

Henry120:
China also exported major arms to 18 African states. Examples of China’s increasing global presence as an arms supplier in 2010–14 included deals with Venezuela for armoured vehicles and transport and trainer aircraft, with Algeria for three frigates, with Indonesia for the supply of hundreds of anti-ship missiles and with Nigeria for the supply of a number of unmanned combat aerial vehicles, according to SIPRI.

http://defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=38412:african-arms-imports-increased-45-per-cent-over-last-decade-sipri&catid=7:Industry&Itemid=116

We can now put to rest this issue.

Yes, it was a PGM from a drone.

Errr....where do you see me saying Nigeria has no armed drones? Thank you for your research at defenceweb, but the university will not be publishing your work this year. Try again next year.


That clip is not of a drone hitting a moving target. That clip is of an aircraft (possibly helicopter or drone) simply recording a vehicle being destroyed.

stillchris:
mr man... not all whites are south african. stop trying to fool yourself. their are other contractors in the country and SA ones are just a handfull of them.

the president also admitted there also are south koreans, czech, ruasians and ukrainians on ground. Nigeria has REVA mk v, so beeg is still right with his sources. he had access to south african PMC beecause he has contacts that can connect him(colonel Eben).

and lastly, SA mercs are old and unfit for combat in such a high intensity war. Iraq was more than 10 years ago.

you south africans are just too dull to understand the simplest things

Why do i sense panic from your end? Not all whites are South African correct....but that has absolutely nothing to do with answering my question. How would one group of SA men working in one sector of Nigeria be able to confirm or deny the numbers of South Africans working in another sector? Particularly if both groups want to be secretive? So you can erase/delete/destroy the last part of that article.


Not all whites are South African, and not all South African mercenaries come from our military. Special Task Force police unit is another source of highly sought after PMC, for example. Your argument about age is invalid since you don't know where those SA men originate from (within SA)

stillchris:
beegeagle is a very close friend to colonel Eben. so it's very easy for him to have access to these guys.

now you know the true story.

That "true" story being South Africans in Nigeria are not simply mechanics as people here have been saying. They are embeded with Nigerian troops. Which is what we've been saying all along.

Beegeagle has been wrong with his "impecible" sources before. It is you who said Nigeria had Mk V and not Mk III vehicles, based on the likes of Beegeagle and his "impecible" sources. And guess what....Mk III seen on the front.

Last thing....how would one group of South African mercanies operating in one section of the front line be able to confirm total number of merc currently in Nigeria? They cant. They know only what is in their immediate area. So you can delete the latter part of that article.

Record video of vehicle being destroyed by 3rd party, and call it a "drone stroke". Only in Nigeria


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https://beegeagle./2015/03/18/boko-haram-and-mercenaries-in-borno-the-myth-the-reality-hearing-it-from-a-pmc-operative/#comment-86734


Interesting

agaugust:
[size=13pt]All is just another Super Story TV drama by Wale Adenuga Productions.....until SANDF buys those weapons and inducts them into service in your military arsenal, you have NOTHING.

Mokopa missile is an example, produced but rejected by SANDF, refused to buy, not purchased, not in service....you have NOTHING but photos and a long script for super story part II....showing next week on Channel 51 UHF
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Shame. Maybe Denel Dynamics is producing them just for fun. I agree with you Augustine.

You are right. The A Darter missiles being produced starting April 2015 are NOT for the South African Air Force.
And the money which has already transferred hands between SANDF and Denel (which is known as BUYING) for A-Darter is all just made up. One big lie. I agree with you.

http://www.russianspaceweb.com/kondor-e.html

RUSSIA ORBITS SOUTH AFRICA'S FIRST SPY SATELLITE Kondor-E

For those interested taking a few minutes to read....cut it down as much as i can


https://www.russianspaceweb.com/images/spacecraft/military/imint/kondor/mockup_1.jpg


Murky history of the Kondor-E project

On May 19, 2006, the South-African Ministry of Defense awarded a contract to the Russian company NPO Mashinostroenia (NPO Mash for short) for the development of a spy satellite with a synthetic aperture radar, capable of all-weather, day-and-night imaging of the Earth's surface. The spacecraft would be based on the company's Kondor (MKA DZZ) project first proposed in mid-1990s. In turn, Kondor derived from a Soviet-era Almaz radar-carrying space station. The Kondor development apparently received a code-name Project Flute within the South-African military and intelligence circles. In Russia, the same project was probably also referred to as 710KS. A price tag for the Kondor-E contract was cited at around $108 million.

The project Flute is believed to be a brainchild of the General "Mojo" Motau, who served as a head of Defense Intelligence at the time. The South-African intelligence planned to use the satellite for various surveillance goals, including battlefield reconnaissance. However, around 2007, the South-African government froze Project Flute after the nation's officials had realized that the full control over the satellite and its data would remain in Russian hands and South Africa would depend entirely on NPO Mash for the spacecraft operation. Such an arrangement would likely result in a significant delay of the access to imagery by military users in South Africa after the pictures had been snapped in orbit. In turn, it would dramatically reduce the value of Kondor's photos for the military, which needs up to a minute updates on the situation on the ground.

In response to the closure of the project, NPO Mashinostroenia threatened with a legal action, probably demanding a compensation for already incurred expenses. Moreover, the scandal around Kondor-E threatened to derail a planned launch of the South-African Sumbandila satellite on a Russian submarine-based missile. (The satellite was eventually launched by the Russian civilian space agency, Roskosmos). The situation also led to demands within the South African parliament to investigate the affair.


Ground control in South Africa?

Possibly, in order to address the problem, NPO Mash planned to build a ground station in South Africa, which would control and operate the satellite, industry sources said. Russia would also train personnel manning the facility. The South African center would have an automated data exchange system with a mission control operated by NPO Mash at its campus in Reutov, near Moscow. NPO Mash planned to subcontract the responsibility for setting up and supporting a secure network to Moscow-based company ZAO KB SvetComputers. The company's team was to be secretly dispatched for a month-long assignment in South Africa to deploy the system. A secure satellite channel, fiber-optic lines and radio communications would be used to transfer information between Kondor's mission controls in Russia and in South Africa. The new arrangement might have jump-started the troubled project, but it also likely further escalated its cost.

According to various reports, between 2006 and 2014, the South-African Defense Intelligence channeled from $109 to $259 million through a secret Special Defense Account dedicated to the "development of a strategic information collection capability." It is unclear whether this sum funded any other projects besides Flute.

The opposition members of the South-African parliament were still demanding the investigation of the Flute project as late as 2014, as Kondor-E was finally approaching the launch pad. However the South-African government was resisting the release of most details on Kondor-E, citing its highly classified nature and national security concerns. Still, Pretoria made available annual financial statements from the Special Defense Account from 2010 to 2014, showing following expenditures:


2014: Launch preparations

On October 15, a South-African delegation headed by the Minister of Science and Technology Naledi Pandor visited Roskosmos to discuss space cooperation between two countries. According to the Roskosmos' press-release, two sides "touched upon the issues of necessity for the development of a satellite network for remote-sensing of the Earth and problems of cadre for the development of space industry in Russia and in South Africa."

On October 22, 2014, during a meeting of a Portfolio Committee on Defense and Military Veterans, the South African Defense Secretary Sam Gulube confirmed that a military satellite was "on track" for launch, essentially revealing the South-African connection to the Kondor-E project.


Launch: 2014 Dec. 19

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According to Roscosmos, the successful launch of Kondor-E took place on December 19, 2014, at 07:43 Moscow Time. The official press-release said that the satellite had a nominal separation from the booster stage of the launch vehicle and was transferred under a flight control of a customer. NORAD observations registered two objects associated with the launch:

Within hours after the liftoff, a source close to the project reported on the online forum of the Novosti Kosmonavtiki magazine that the satellite had established communications with ground control, downlinked telemetry and began opening its imaging radar antenna. In the meantime, ground observations of the satellite apparently detected some increase in its brightness, likely confirming the successful deployment of the radar antenna, In the second half of December, the satellite was undergoing in-orbit tests.

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