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agaugust:
[s]What makes you believe that's Hawk jet that has no radar and is blind as a bat, will be 40 km away to see and detect locations where the enemy has deployed :

16 mobile vehicles of radar guided Roland launchers with 300 missiles

30 mobile vehicles of radar guided Shilka 4 barrel anti-aircraft cannon

Hundreds of computerized electro-optically guided Type 90 twin barrel anti-aircraft cannon built to shööt down cruise missiles .

Does your blind bat radar-less Hawk jet use witchcraft for finding far away distant targets?

You think war is a video game where the enemy air force goes to sleep in their own jet fighters and leave the airspace over their army undefended for your own air force to fly and have fun.

By the time your Hawk jet sees where those air defended are located, it is within range to be shot down.

I don't blame you sha my brother ignoramus, South African air force has NOT flown one single air to ground attack jet fighter sortie in the past 20 years. NAF jets have flown 3,000 air to ground attack sorties in 6 months so we will be lecturing your air force chief on how to use guided missiles from air to ground plus the art if bombing defended targets.

SAAF is so inactive that they have become a plastic air force that majors on V.I.P travel and transportation for politicians.

South Africa ranks below Kenya today in current pilots combat experience, let's not compare SAAF to NAF, it will be an over-kill in favor of Nigeria......Kenya Vs South Africa is more realistic my brother[/s]
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Irrelevent. Your opinion is irrelevent.You sound like you want to cry. I can ship you some tissues if you want. Thank you for your offer, but SAAF pilots don't need any training on how to fire point and shoot unguided rockets like Nigeria does against Boko Haram. I have told you many many times to go stand out in an open bush, sit under a tree, sit in a vehicle, and see if our pilots will miss you. You will be turned into instant minced meat for the vultures to eat.


Gripen using ditigal reconn pods, Gripen-Hawk datalink, satellite imagery, special forces forward spotters, etc will find a nice explosive target to be destroyed.....with less than 1m accuracy may i add . Non of your imaginary air defences can touch a Hawk or Gripen at 30000 feet incase they fly over a unseen position. Your imaginary air defence will be running around like head-less chickens wondering where the next munitions will be dropped.

1 Gripen and 2 Hawks drifting and teasing 40 km away from your F-7 air force base, threatening to blow up the runway. F-7's have no choice to go TRY and attack. 1 Gripen and 2 Hawks doing the same elsewhere. 1 Gripen 2 Hawks somewhere else. Hand full of F-7 jets completely split and torn apart in one day. In the meantime, Umbani and Paveway bombs rain down on fuel depos, strategic bridges, convoys, fixed radar masts, etc etc......all with pin-point accuracy.

http://www.janes.com/article/50940/denel-south-korea-in-talks-to-integrate-al-tariq-bomb-kit-on-fa-50s

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Denel Dynamics, the missile and UAV division of South Africa's Denel, is in talks with South Korea about integrating the Al-Tariq precision-guided bomb kit with the Korea Aerospace Industries (KAI) FA-50 light fighter, a senior company executive has disclosed.

Thiens Botha, the company's product manager for stand-off weapons, told IHS Jane's on 23 April that the discussions involved the GPS/INS-guided variant, with fold-out wings and booster motor giving a range of about 100 km. The wingless variant has a range of about 40 km, depending on the release altitude.Imaging infrared and semi-active laser seeker options are also available for the Al-Tariq in a guidance and extension-range kit also known as the Umbani, which can be fitted to Mk 81, Mk 82, and Mk 83 bombs. The kit is a joint venture between Denel Dynamics and Tawazun Dynamics of the United Arab Emirates (UAE).


Botha said the South Korean talks marked the start of an international marketing campaign following the completion of "several hundred" kits for the UAE. The kits were now operational on the UAE's Mirage 2000-9 fighters and Hawker 102 trainers, he said.

Manufacturing would move to the UAE around the end of 2016, after which the South African company would focus on development. This was likely to include a radar seeker and a range extension of up to 200 km, said Botha.A stand-off bomb requirement was anticipated for the South African Air Force (SAAF) around 2018 and initial discussions had begun with Saab on requirements for the potential integration of the Al-Tariq on the SAAF's Saab Gripen fighters. Al-Tariq is already integrated on the SAAF's BAE Systems Hawk Mk 120 lead-in fighter trainers.

A demonstration firing on 23 April at a Rheinmetall Defence-Denel exhibition at South Africa's Overberg test range saw an Al-Tariq launched from a SAAF Hawk at 30,000 feet strike less than a metre from the designated point of impact after a camera-monitored flight of 40km.




Got to love South African engineering . Stand off weapon launched from 40km away, striking less than a meter from target. You can see how the SAAF would use this weapon. 1 Gripen, escorting 2 or maybe 3 Hawk jets. Hawks hitting key targets such as command posts, artillery positions, bridges, runways etcs. From stand-off distances beyond what some un-named country can ever dream of. Let us all have a good laugh when an un-named person thinks every comand post, artillery position, strategic bridge, air force base runway, radar mast etc will have a Roland system to "defend" from Umbani.

andrewza:
http://defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=38900:high-impact-at-rheinmetall-denel-defence-day&catid=7:Industry&Itemid=116



One of the world’s largest live-firing demonstrations got underway at the Overberg Test Range earlier this week when Rheinmetall and Denel hosted the second Defence Day, aimed at showcasing Rheinmetall Denel Munition’s capabilities to 400 guests from 57 countries around the world.

The first Defence Day was held at Alkantpan in the Northern Cape. Another Defence Day is scheduled to be held five years from now. For 2015’s edition, held at the Range on April 22 and 23, Rheinmetall and Denel joined forces to display a wide range of weapons and ammunition, from 40 mm grenades to guided bombs.

A wide range of artillery shells was demonstrated, ranging from 105 to 155 mm and in various different types from practice to tracer and illuminating. Shells were fired from nearly 50 kilometres away to land on the Range, and were also fired from the Range at various targets from a self-propelled T5-52 howitzer. This mounts a G5 towed gun on a truck, with the howitzer firing from the rear for an unobstructed arc of fire. It can fire three rounds in under 20 seconds in burst mode.

The artillery shells fired contained various different payloads such as illumination, screening smoke, high explosive, High Explosive Pre-Formed Fragmented (HE PFF), infrared illumination and Velocity-Enhanced Extended Range Shells (VLAP), which use rocket and base bleed assistance for ranges in excess of 40 kilometres. The 155 mm Assegaai HE PFF shell, for example, contains 18 000 tungsten pellets that are lethal out to 50 metres. The Assegaai shell features insensitive explosives that will not easily detonate when struck by bullets, for example.

A 76 mm OTO Melara naval gun was brought in and this fired tracers as well as PFF ammunition to disable a simulated anti-ship missile mounted on a pole down the range.

A South African Air Force Hawk was used to demonstrate the Al Tariq glide bomb developed by joint Denel/Tawazun company Tawazun Dynamics. The Hawk flew tens of kilometres out to sea before launching the weapon, which glided in over land to hit its target almost dead on. Other South African Air Force aircraft were involved in the demonstration, namely the Seeker 200 (which demonstrated its surveillance capabilities, such as being able to see a tennis ball on the ground at 5 000 feet), and the Rooivalk, which fired FZ 70 rockets and 20 mm cannon rounds at targets on the range. South Africa was one of the earliest customers for the Belgian FZ 70 rockets and Rheinmetall Denel Munition is the exclusive supplier of its rocket propellant.

The Plofadder minefield breaching system caused a big impact, with two different versions of the system being demonstrated: a backpack portable version and the Plofadder 160AT Mk II trailer-borne version containing 560 kg of insensitive explosive to clear minefields.

Denel Dynamics demonstrated the seven second rocket motor for its Umkhonto air-to-surface missile while a Badger missile variant fired an Ingwe anti-tank missile at a target down the range. The Ingwe has a tandem warhead and can penetrate more than 1 000 mm of rolled homogenous armour. However, for the demonstration an inert warhead was used. The Badger also fired its 30 mm CamGun, developed by Denel Land Systems. A BAE Systems RG35 also had the chance to fire its cannon, at a derelict tank down the range.

Various small and medium calibre weapons were demonstrated, notably Denel Land System’s new LCT turret (7.62 mm SS-77 machinegun) aboard a new generation Casspir and Rippel Effect and Milkor’s grenade launchers (which fired smoke, high explosive and less lethal ammunition). Some of the less lethal ammunition fired by the grenades included multi-bang flash bangs (each grenade contains several explosive charges) and rapidly deploying teargas (multiple pellets in one grenade, which also makes it difficult for people to pick up and throw back the canister). An automatic grenade launcher was also put through its paces. Both low, medium and high velocity ammunition was used.

Various mortars were put through their paces, namely 60, 81 and 120 mm mortar bombs fired from M4, M6, L16 and M5 mortars. Various types of rounds were demonstrated, such as screening smoke, high explosive, illumination etc.

Apart from the weapons, the list of pyrotechnics demonstrated included hand-fired rocket flares, hand grenades (lethal and less lethal), illuminating grenades, smoke grenades and signalling grenades.

Denel Land Systems division Mechem put on a dog show, using its highly trained dogs to detect hidden explosives in a vehicle and drugs on a person. The dogs also demonstrated their attack skills by chasing and bringing down running targets. The dogs are trained to sniff out many different things, such as rhino horn, currency and cellphones in addition to drugs and explosives.

Rheinmetall Denel Munition specialises in the field of ammunition, including design, development and manufacturing, particularly regarding artillery, mortar and infantry systems as well as plant engineering. While Rheinmetall Defence does most of its business with NATO countries, Rheinmetall Denel Munition covers not only the South African market but also Asia, the Middle East and Latin America. RDM’s factories in South Africa are all at 100% capacity and some are even running 24 hours a day to keep pace with demand.

Rheinmetall Denel CEO Norbert Schulze said that RDM makes the most modern ammunition in Africa that is on a par with international manufacturers. For example, RDM displaced a French company in manufacturing the propellant for the FZ 70 rocket. Schulze noted that the company’s turnover was five times that after Rheinmetall took over six years ago. Denel Group CEO Riaz Saloojee also praised the success of RDM, saying that when companies partner with Denel, they partner with South Africa since Denel is 100% state owned and as a result can guarantee long-term relationships.

A large number of other companies were involved in the Defence Day, including Pretoria Metal Pressings (PMP), Denel Land Systems, BAE Systems, Denel Dynamics, Rheinmetall Defence, Denel Aviation, Overberg Test Range, Forges de Zeebrugge, Ripple Effect, Milkor, and Mechem, amongst others.

Notice how they say Seeker 200 UAV is a South African Air Force aircraft. Also like how we have a long range, precision guided munition capability for the Hawks. Something other air forces can only dream of. I sometimes feel sorry for our Hawks, everyone talks about Gripen. But they still carry a massive punch, especially when they get A-Darter this year.


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iconize:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oj4eGhsiP-Q

South African xenophobia gang leader speaks.
Y'all Bantustans are in deep shyte.

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agaugust:
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What Nigerian army can do against Boko Haram, but refused to do because many innocent lives will be lost as collateral damage, WE COULD HAVE DESTROYED EVERY 'CALIPHATE' in one day....but we must not overuse our power !


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1czNdW8bgJE
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Are you saying this system was never deployed to the frontline? Or they took it to the frontline but never used it? Sort of like a decoration. Can you explain the pic below?

Take heavy equipment to the frontline but knowing full well that you "refuse" to use it....um... okay then. You just wanted to show off equipment, but didn't know how to introduce it as a topic....so you just made up a "refuse to use it" narrative. Next time just post a pic, keep quiet and move on. If people like it they like it, if they dont they dont.

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COMPLETE DEATH BLOW...

I didnt even notice. Good eyes. I wonder what their excuse will be....

Ugly...but beautiful

SAAF Randoms...

SA Army Infantry beach assault drill today. With assistance from SA Navy vessels.

Pics by Doug

http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-38765/

[size=14pt]CONFIRMED - GERMAN NAVAL VESSEL FIRED AT FISHING BOAT. CASE CLOSED. [/size]


The German navy's frigate FGS Hessen was responsible for accidentally targeting a fishing vessel during Exercise Good Hope last month.

The German embassy said that the captain of the Hessen used practice ammunition rather than live ammunition when his frigate accidentally targeted a ski boat whilst carrying out a live fire exercise on 25 March in southern Cape waters.

Commercial fisherman and skipper Anthony Day, with nine crew members, launched from Struisbaai harbour at about 02h30 in his 28-foot boat, the Arctic. They intended heading to Twelve Mile Bank, south-southwest of Struisbaai, to fish for Geelbeck.Day said that while he was waiting for his crew before launching, a charter boat operator arrived, towing the black-painted boat with a radar reflector. Day spoke to them and was informed that the boat was going to be used as a target at the Denel Overberg Test Range, approximately 20 nautical miles to the northeast.

Day launched his boat whilst the target boat was still tied up alongside the quay. He headed in a south-south-westerly direction opposite to that of the Denel test range. In the early hours of the morning, the Hessen mistakenly identified the fishing vessel as the 14 foot radio controlled 'Hammerhead' boat that was to be used for target practice as both the target and the ski boat had very similar profiles.

The German embassy said five rounds were fired at the boat, landing around 20 metres from their target, after being mistakenly identified by the Hessen's commander and firing supervisor. After being shot at, Day immediately put on his bright deck lights so that the people on the boat could be seen, and headed west at full speed.

The German military said South Africa was responsible for closing off the area for training, according to Netwerk24.At the time of the incident, German and South African forces were conducting live fire exercises off the coast of the Overberg Test Range, a declared live firing area, as part of Exercise Good Hope VI. Both tactical phases and missile firing were done using RIM-7 Sea Sparrow short range anti-aircraft and anti-missile weapons and RIM-116 rolling airframe missiles as well as Umkhonto infrared homing missiles, 76 mm guns and smaller weapons.

The German frigates Karlsruhe and Hessen together with the support ship Berlin were involved in the tactical exercise, with Hessen tasked with shooting the target vessel.




Case officially closed. We kept telling you...how do you know it was a South African Naval vessel? Drown in your eternal shame.

AugustineAgain:
Mister Liar ! You said yesterday that the explosion is 5.6 km away from the Gripen, so when you say my reply, you magically changed it to two times farther away at 11 km.....Fear of defeat...leads to wild imaginations

Fact is, the supersonic speed Gripen is speeding at 2,000 km/h into the blast 5.6 km distance ahead, and the blast is also speeding debris and projectiles towards the Gripen in head on collision.....hear your own voice below...




Next, you say 11.8 kg explosive of both missiles ?

Well, a military researcher is always one step ahead of you

PL-9C missile high explosive warhead alone is 11.89 kg....say 12 kg.

Add A-Darter warhead, say another 12 kg.

Total high explosive = 24 kg = 3 times the explosive power of anti-tank landmine that blows up solid steel armoured main battle tanks !

Plus the fuel inside both missiles, say 10 gallons of flammable fuel ! You forgot to add fuel explosion to warhead explosion !

So, power of the blast is = 3 anti-tank land mines and 10 gallons of petrol all mixed together against an aluminium/glass body aircraft !

You cannot turn a high speed jet aircraft away from a frontal incoming divergent wave explosion in 4 seconds.

Gripen is travelling at supersonic high speed 2,000 km/h and just 4 seconds away from an incoming explosion that is throwing high speed debris, fire and sharp projectiles in divergent wave (SPREADING OUTWARD INCREASING AREA COVERAGE IN A 360 DEGREE SPHERICAL DIRECTION.....four dimensional explosion on all four cardinal points....see my photo below).

The Gripen is not a spirit that turns in half a second, not even one second, pilots needs several seconds to pull throttle stick, jet needs time to respond, airframe ailerons and flaps need time to respond, jet fighters CANNOT make high g pulls or sharp turns at supersonic high speed, the jet will stall.....means lose control by losing engine power, or the wings can break off and tear off the aircraft.

Gripen has died o !

I just showed you why close range air combat is called a zone of death, and the 20 km missile range is a NO ESCAPE ZONE for pilots.

Also, I have shown you why no pilot in this world has ever stopped a missile with his own missile, air to air missiles, NO PILOT NO WAR HAS EVER ACHIEVED THAT MISSION IMPOSSIBLE !

Always one step ahead of you.....get it ? Yes you get it !
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From centre of explosion to Gripen is 5.6km (radius), making the diamter of the spherical explosion 11.2km. Fail.

You clearly still dont get it. Not even 200kg of explosives will cause blast damage anywhere close to 5.6km. You are making stuff up. Go on youtube and watch explosives.Fail.

The Gripen pilot has ALREADY banked his jet away and is flying away from incoming PL-9 missile long before A-Darter and PL-9 explode. Gripen pilot can fire his A-Darter missile towards PL-9 missile even when he is flying in opposite direction.

No 2 Air to Air missiles colliding will ever cause any explosion anywhere close to 5.6km radius (11.2 diameter). You are making stuff up.

AugustineAgain:
You see the red letter part of your post above ? A military expert will ALWAYS be one step ahead of you

PL-9C and A-Darter explode 5.6 km ahead of Gripen, but supersonic speed Gripen flies fast at 2,000 km/h into the explosion danger head !

1. Two missiles, one main big fire ball. Centre of explosion fireball....it does not vanish in few seconds....the burning continues.

2. High explosive warheads produce shrapnel, splinters, broken pieces of flame that is forced to scatter at high speed in 360 degrees direction.

3. Fire balls at centre of explosion does not vanish away in 1 second, it goes continues combustion for many seconds. Still deadly....see your own photo above. Missiles contain both high explosive warheads and fuel....mix all together !

4. The Gripen is actually flying at fast supersonic speed towards the exploded missiles, it will run into the fire ball just 4 seconds ahead !

5. Also, second danger is that the Gripen is flying at supersonic speed towards the blown up missiles, and the splinters/shrapnel/burning hot flying projectiles from the explosion is also flying at high speed towards the Gripen, in 2 seconds the Gripen will enter the flying shrapnel/debris radius and get a blast hit on the Gripen. Many pilots have died in real life war from high speed debris breaking through cockpit canopy glass to strike the pilot, or engine gets hit like a bird strike, or ordnance gets hit and explodes, or fuel tank gets hit and explodes.

Gripen has flown into death circle ! EXPLOSION OR BLAST RADIUS is the name ! See my photo below.

Try drive a car at 200 km/h speed and try escape an exploding petrol container 2 seconds position ahead of you !

A 2,000 km/h speed jet will not escape an explosion of missiles just 4 seconds ahead of the jet, it will fly into the burning death trap.

I am talking from pilots' real life combat experience, not internet copy and paste via google search.

Military researcher will ALWAYS be one step ahead of you !

Good morning my student, you owe me school fees, pay now or send your 18 year old junior sister to 'pay' me on your behalf

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HAHAHA!!! such desperation.

You clearly haven't even noticed the point....fake military researcher!!!

How can two air to air missiles cause an explosion of blast diameter 11.2 KILOMETERS

You cant even comprehent that its not possible. Are they nuclear tipped warheads? The photo i used is of a NUCLEAR EXPLOSION FO.OL

Worst case scenario....Gripen is stationary and not moving. Meaning the explosion will need 11.2 kilometer blast diameter to damage Gripen = NOT POSSIBLE .

Real world scenario....Gripen will bank directly away from incomining PL-9, fire A-Darter in self defence. Meaning the blast needed to destroy Gripen is even more than 11.2 kilometers diameter = NOT POSSIBLE

Gripen pilot will not keep flying straight towards an incoming missile. You made that sh*t up....fail!!! He will evade threat, and fire A-Darter missile while he is evading (over the shoulder firing).

You are not a military researcher....you are a security guard. Fraud!!!

11.89 kg warhead of PL-9 plus A-Darter warhead will cause an explosion of blast diameter 11km? Hahaha....how embarrassing

AugustineAgain:
After the first 9 seconds, the PL-9C has closed in on the Gripen to trap the target inside the technical NO ESCAPE ZONE.....KILL ZONE !

9 seconds, that is why I said about 10 seconds. I know what I am saying, this is real combat not internet copy and paste from a website.

In that zone, even your flares and chaff will find it very difficult to save you because you are head to head with the PL-9C and your own jet speed is used against you as you are actually running straight into collision course with the PL-9C.

In that zone, if by miracle (Which will not happen anyway) you fire A-Darter to intercept the PL-9C, the two missiles will collide and explode about 5 seconds distance from the Gripen and the explosion plus fire ball splinters will hit the Gripen and blow it up or k.ill the pilot through the cockpit glass !
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-why would the Gripen pilot fly straight towards an incoming missile for a full 9 seconds after launch detection? He's busy chatting on whatsapp, and got distracted? He would make a sharp bank away from the threat. Massive Fail

- A Darter can be fired at threats directly behind Gripen. Im sure you didnt know that. Pilot has banked away from missile threat and fired A-Darter in defence. Your PL-9 cannot dodge defensive missiles. You cannot just make something up and pretend its true. Your PL-9 3rd generation IR seeker head is designed to trace the heat signature of the target aircraft, and AT BEST IGNORE other infrared heat signature it believes are decoys. Ignore, not dodge. At the very best your missile will pick up incoming A-Darter heat signature, register it as a decoy, and keep flying towards its original lock on heat signature...the Gripen. It has no ability to process the fact the A-Darter is intent on destroying it, or even dodging it at that. Your second massive fail.


- Listen to this piece of sh*t made up comment. This is a very special piece of sh*t you made up.

The missiles will explode "about 5 seconds" away from Gripen. With the fire ball/explosion blowing up the Gripen or killing the pilot.


I know you were educated under a tree, so let me make it very basic. You say the 2 missiles will collide and explode "5 seconds away" from Gripen.


Your basic lesson for the night.

*Assume Gripen is stationary/not moving/stuck in the air. Stationary target 20km away from F-7 jet.

*From 20km away you fire a PL-9 missile. It flies straight towards the stationary Gripen.

*STATIONARY Gripen fires an A-Darter in self defense. According to you they collide and explode with just 5 seconds of the PL-9's flight time left. Meaning the PL-9 flew for 13 seconds (of the 18 seconds needed to hit the stationary Gripen)

*Now. Remember I keep saying this is a stationary Gripen. It hasnt even tried to bank away and evade the PL-9 missile.. Basic question....how much further did your PL-9 missile need to travel in order to hit the Gripen?

Okay...you say it travels at 4000km/h = 1111m/s
In the first 13 seconds of un-interupted flight, your missile travelled 1111m/s × 13 = 14 443 meters (14.4km)

Meaning...PL-9 missile was 5.6km away from hitting Gripen before A-Darter blew it up. But remember YOU said this same explosion will blow up/damage Gripen in its fireball and shrapnel....im starting to laugh already


11.8kg PL-9 WARHEAD + A-DARTER WARHEAD WILL COMBINE TO FORM A SPHERICAL EXPLOSION OF DIAMETER 11.2 kilometers!!!! HAHAHAHA!!
WHAT A RE.TARD . NUCLEAR TIPPED AIR-AIR MISSILES . MILITARY RESEARCHER? WHEW

https://www.viralread.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/nuclear-bomb-explosion2.jpg

You see how its obvious to everyone you just make sh*t up without thinking? DEMOLISHED

AugustineAgain:
Be humble and grateful, I just taught you air war lesson number 101....air to air combat NO ESCAPE ZONE.....KILL ZONE.

Say thank you to Nigeria....kneel down and say it....now !


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You havent got the slightest clue of what you just typed. No clue at all

AugustineAgain:
You know I am always one step ahead of you in this game, yes 18 seconds to travel from F-7 to Gripen, but about half of that time to kill the Gripen.....first 9 seconds of PL-9C flight is not deadly, it's the time wasted to suck the target into the NO ESCAPE ZONE of air to air dogfight.

After the first 9 seconds, the PL-9C has closed in on the Gripen to trap the target inside the technical NO ESCAPE ZONE.....KILL ZONE !

9 seconds, that is why I said about 10 seconds. I know what I am saying, this is real combat not internet copy and paste from a website.

In that zone, even your flares and chaff will find it very difficult to save you because you are head to head with the PL-9C and your own jet speed is used against you as you are actually running straight into collision course with the PL-9C.

In that zone, if by miracle (Which will not happen anyway) you fire A-Darter to intercept the PL-9C, the two missiles will collide and explode about 5 seconds distance from the Gripen and the explosion plus fire ball splinters will hit the Gripen and blow it up or k.ill the pilot through the cockpit glass !

So, the other case is if the PL-9C pilot manuevers his missile to evade the coming A-Darter after the first 9 seconds, the IRIS-T will follow the lock-on and pursue the PL-9C from behind, then suddenly both missiles are now heading to hit the Gripen during the last 9 seconds in the NO ESCAPE KILL ZONE....your Gripen jet pilot will be hit by two missiles in quick succession and double explosion will tear the Gripen into blinking bits and pieces you will never see the pilot's dead body for ever.

SAAF will bury an empty coffin with the flag of the Repuiblic of South Africa covering it, no corpse inside.

That is war in reality, that is how jet fighters fight, you won't find that to copy and paste from internet.

A Nigerian pilot will always think one step ahead of a South African pilot. 9 or 10 seconds to death in the NO ESCAPE KILL ZONE.

GAME OVER !
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And this gentlemen is what we are dealing with. Completely clueless and desperate. You again have made this all up. Im sure you dont even understand what you just typed

Completely demolished and now desperate. This is so embarrassingly sad .

This is the part i like the most...

"So, the other case is if the PL-9C pilot manuevers his missile to evade the coming A-Darter after the first 9 seconds, the IRIS-T will follow the lock-on and pursue the PL-9C from behind, then suddenly both missiles are now heading to hit the Gripen during the last 9 seconds in the NO ESCAPE KILL ZONE....your Gripen jet pilot will be hit by two missiles in quick succession and double explosion will tear the Gripen into blinking bits and pieces you will never see the pilot's dead body for ever."

Not only has he added the ability of PL-9 to dodge defensive missiles while still tracking the target, he has also added a world 1st ability for the F-7 pilot to manually make the PL-9 dodge defensive missiles from inside the cockpit.

Wow...this is so sad.

AugustineAgain:
If at all the Gripen ever gets that chance. The 4,000 km/h speed of the PL-9C is too fast, it needs about 10 seconds to hit target.

The Gripen pilots needs time to detect PL-9C launch by scan, time to track, time to lock on a tiny missile the size of a snake with very small RCS, he needs much more than the 10 seconds, the PL-9C has already killed Gripen.

Reason why the kill probability of the PL-9C is 90% kill, when it's fired on a target, that target is 90% dead.

The PL-9C will swing to a different angle, in a loop, it out-maneuvers a false target, by the time the PL-9C is back in direction of the Gripen, the A-Darter is following it from behind, by the time the PL-9C gets to the Gripen, the two missiles will hit same Gripen target.

The SAAF Gripen pilot actually sh.ot himself down

No where in war history has any air to air missile intercepted another air to air missile, if it is possible, somebody would have done it, and pilots in dog fight will never get sh.ot down
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Lmao!! He did exactly what i said he would do....he developed a whole new capability for PL-9 missile . This is one of your most pathetic posts...which says a lot. Lets pretend you have 35km range missiles...

1. You just pulled the 10 second incoming missile time detection completely out of your a.ss. You just blatently made something up....infront of everyone. How embarrassing . What must the Gripen pilot do to detect a missile? Boil water, slaughter a goat while looking out the window with binoculors? System is completely automatic, high end electronic processors. Argument demolished.

2. Minimum distance you can fire at us is 20km. At "4000km/h" it takes 18 seconds to travel that distance. Again showing you are making sh*t up with "10 seconds". You're telling us in 2015 with it takes a 4th generation fighter more than 18 seconds to detect threats? Making sh*t up. Argument demolished.

3. PL-9 will not out maneuver A-Darter. PL-9 can pull 40g turns. A-Darter can pull 100g turns. More than twice as agile. It is doomed. PL-9 has no ability to dodge missiles while still tracking target, you made that up. Ignoring false targets doesnt mean you dodge them...it means you ignore them (e.g flares). PL-9 3rd generation processor wont even know what's going on. Argument demolished.


4. You say there are no real life war examples of such self defence capabilities on missiles. Why dont you rather tell us which real air to air dogfights have there been in the past few years, where one or both of the jets was carrying the lastest 5th generation missiles and needed to defend itself? Tell us...which dogfight? 5th gen missiles are relatively new, coming online. How many air forces have them? Argument demolished.

agaugust:
[size=13pt]Yes, it's a lie ! I don't accept lies because a white-man is the one telling the lie, you South Africans don't mind white people deceiving you, we Nigerians DO NOT take shiit from any white man, that's why they fear us and hate us.

You Soweto mumus are the horses that white men ride on their way to Shoprite

Show me in this world where Germany tested IRIS-T against another air to air missile in live fire combat simulation.

PL-9C is faster than IRIS-T, so how does a slower missile catch up in race with a faster missile ?

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WORLD BREAKING NEWS!!! AUGUSTINE FROM NAIRALAND HAS PUBLICLY STATED THAT GERMANY'S DIEGHL AND SOUTH AFRICA'S DENEL ARE LIARS.

Billions of Euro's spent, 4000 Iris-T missiles sold to customers. Those customers, with all their technical expers have all been taken for a ride. Augustine has revealed the truth....breaking news.

Billions of Rands spent on A-Darter. Fake self defence specifications. Revealed by Augustine here on Nairaland.

Fake Combra Helmet-Iris T specifications posted by SAAB. Revealed by Augustine of Nairaland.

https://i.imgur.com/r60ZG.jpg

3 Defence companies (SAAB, Dieghl, Denel) exposed by Augustine. 1 man. Amazing!! Once those customers of 4000 Iris-T missiles read this thread, I'm sure they'll be extremely pissed off....they've been tricked .


But bear in mind...this man just asked

PL-9C is faster than IRIS-T, so how does a slower missile catch up in race with a faster missile ?

Listen to his basic language...."catch up in a race". Maybe he has down syndrome. Where are they racing to? I wonder. Why must Iris-T or A-Darter try catch any INCOMING missile. I wonder again.

Maybe he doesnt know that an incoming missile is heading towards the target aircraft...not the opposite direction. So now need to catch anything.

A Darter (with more than twice the agility of PL-9) and Iris-T intercept the incoming missile on a head to head flight path with their vastly superior seeker heads. 3rd generation PL-9 doomed.


But we all know Augustine....he's about to invent some new capabilities for PL-9 to miraculously make it "win". He'll probably say something like this....

"PL-9 will detect the incoming defensive missile while still tracking the target aircraft (imagionary PL-9 function). It will then wait for the right time and dodge the defensive missile like a rugby player (another imaginary PL-9function), go around while still tracking the target aircraft. Somehow after travelling a minimum of 20km, and dodging the defensive missile PL-9 will still have enough kinetic energy at full maximum power to continue tracking the target aircraft, track it down, and blow it out the sky"

Augustine Engineering 101. All from the comfort of his couch.

agaugust:
Show me where A-Darter shot down another air to air missile in air test
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Show us where Iris-T shot down another air to air missile in a test. Germany's Diehl is lying about Iris-T capability?


https://i.imgur.com/r60ZG.jpg

agaugust:
Self defence missile means short range missile, every SRAAM is a self defence missile for defending an aircraft against another aircraft.

You confuse that with anti-missile missile.....stop freaking yourself out dude !
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LMAO!!!! Do you want to cry?

agaugust:
Have you ever seen air to air missile shooting down another air to air missile in this world ?

Show me one example.....Fool
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As i suspected. He will now claim that this capability is false. Last kicks of a dying horse


Email Diehl Defence in Germany. Tell them that Iris-T IS NOT a self defence missile. Tell them that they are frauds, advertising a capability that DOES NOT exist with 4000 missiles already produced. You, Augustine are calling them frauds.

Then email Denel in Centurion. Tell them A-Darter IS NOT a self defence missile. Tell them that they are frauds, advertising a capability that DOES NOT exist with 300 missiles to be produced. You, Augustine are calling them frauds.

agaugust:
Ground and air launched PL-9C missiles are the same size, same misile, same fuel load, same speed, same shape, same specifications, same name PL-9C......nothing like PL-9D or PL-9E.....nothing like one for air one for land, all are same name PL-9C same product , same fuel, same range, fuel load determines range of an missile. Fact of basic science.

http://www.deagel.com/Air-to-Air-Missiles/PL-9_a002626001.aspx

"The PL-9C is an improved variant introduced in the 1990s featuring extended range from 5 kilometers to 22 kilometers and increased launch weight (115 kg vs. 123 kg), warhead (10 kg vs. 12 kg) and G maneuvering factor (35g vs. 40g). The PL-9D is a surface-to-air missile variant also introduced in the 1990s. The PL-9D missile system has been ordered by the People's Liberation Army (PLA) ground forces."

agaugust:
[s]Ground and air launched PL-9C missiles are the same size, same misile, same fuel load, same speed, same shape, same specifications, same name PL-9C......nothing like PL-9D or PL-9E.....nothing like one for air one for land, all are same name PL-9C same product , same fuel, same range, fuel load determines range of an missile. Fact of basic science.[/s]

Your 5th generation missile A-Darter will die before launch with your SAAF pilot, both your jet and the Darter missile will be b.lown to pieces by F-7 jet PL-9C missile even before your pilot can fire his short-legged 20 km range freaking A-Darter missile, NAF PL-9C kills from 35 km away and the PL-9C specs have 90% kill-probability.

[s]NAF flies safely outside the freaking 20 km range of your freaking A-Darter missile......bad luck for SAAF !

According to South Africans, weapon range does not matter when it is Nigeria that has the range advantage. Freaking fools, your air force is dead in the air when you face NAF.....you have to learn now that we are your air masters. Go hug electricity transformer, it's an easier way to commit suicide than getting b.lown out of the sky by Nigerian air force BVR missiles ![/s]

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As you have been shown A Darter and Iris-T are self defence missiles. PL-9C is NOT a self defence missile. NAF has no means to defend itself. I know this eats at you, and makes you jealous. SAAF has 5th generation self defence air-air missiles. We can defend ourselves, and use the same missiles to attack. Deal with it.


http://www.janes.com/article/50334/denel-gets-a-darter-production-contract

"Developed under Project Kamas, the missile will initially arm the South African Air Force's (SAAF's) Saab Gripen C/D fighters, complementing the small batch of IRIS-T missiles acquired as interim armament from Diehl BGT Defence.

The A-Darter will also be integrated with the SAAF's Hawk Mk 120 jets, giving the advanced trainers a self-defence capability and allowing their use in some airspace patrol roles."

agaugust:
Missile range of A-Darter is worse than IRIS-T.

[s]SAAF A-Darter 20 km

NAF PL-9C BVR 35 km

Sorry, NAF has to shooot down all SAAF jets before you can launch any A-Darter.....Gripen/Hawk die from 35 km away [/s]
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Nigeria has no 35km air to air missile. Only in your head it is real. But let's pretend.....

A Darter is a 5th generation missile with self defence capability. PL-9 has NO/ZERO self defence capability. Gripen and Hawk will defend themselves and proceed to turn your F-7 jets into scrap metal. Only one dying will be F-7 pilots. Iris-T and A Darter....self defence capability. By the way...where are your JF-17's? You said you would have them by the time Denel starts producing A Darter for SAAF.


http://www.janes.com/article/50334/denel-gets-a-darter-production-contract

"Denel Dynamics was awarded a five-year production contract on 19 March by Armscor for the A-Darter air-to-air missile.

Developed under Project Kamas, the missile will initially arm the South African Air Force's (SAAF's) Saab Gripen C/D fighters, complementing the small batch of IRIS-T missiles acquired as interim armament from Diehl BGT Defence.

The A-Darter will also be integrated with the SAAF's Hawk Mk 120 jets, giving the advanced trainers a self-defence capability and allowing their use in some airspace patrol roles."


Game over. Find a hole to crawl into.

jln115:
Denel gets A-Darter production contract

http://www.janes.com/article/50334/denel-gets-a-darter-production-contract

Well done to the South African defence industry on this achievement. So production finally starts after everything. I posted a few weeks ago "5 A-Darter missiles a month starting April"....and a certain un-named fo.ol said Nigeria will have a whole Squadron of JF-17's before we get A-Darter

Shame let me be fair. He didnt say whole squadron. He just said JF-17. Maybe he meant only one :-)

agaugust:
Your people here said the 14 toy radars will be carried by foot soldiers inside backpacks into the bush or mountain top for hiding out of enemy view....your artillery drives with them inside the bush and climbs mountains ?

They left the open field to hide on mountains for fear of Nigerian Shilka radar + multi-barrel cannon
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Hence i asked you if its impossible for those same toy radars to be used right next to artillery, infantry, air defence. What law of physics is stopping them from doing that? One detatchment hiding in a concealed area provding tactical surveillance. Another detachment embedded with armour and reactive units. Which of Newton's Laws is this breaking?

agaugust:
Your 14 Thales air search radars are short ranged, toys on human backpack, no armour, no weapons to attack the enemy they detect. They are NOT part of SNADF datalink, they are tiny infantry radars, all 14 CANNOT kill a pigeon in the air after detecting it.

46 Nigerian Shilka and Rolands will radar detect the enemy on ground and air and kill the enemy IMMEDIATELY !

SANDF is 66 years behind Nigeria, we have ISTAR + WEAPONS integrated
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It's impossible for a tactical intelligence unit to imbed itself within an infantry, artillery or air defence unit? Its impossible? This unit cant be used just 5 meters away from a gunnery unit giving immediate firing co-ordinates?

Tactical intelligence is only allowed to work alone and not share information with anyone? Okay then

agaugust:
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According to SIPRI final authority, South Africa has 1980s old generation radars

Supplier/ Year Year(s) No.
recipient (R) No. Weapon Weapon of order/ of delivered/
or licenser (L) ordered designation description licence deliveries produced Comments



United Kingdom

R: South Africa 12 AR-3D Air search radar 1981 (12) $64 m 'Operation Rodent' deal; officially delivered for air-traffic control
(1) S-711 Air search radar 1985 (1)


http://armstrade.sipri.org/armstrade/page/trade_register.php

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Link/proof shown to you that radar was upgraded in the 2000's. You can choose to ignore that point...its fine. This post of yours is therefore irrelevant. A non entity. Zero matrix.

agaugust:
Mokopa missile from DENEL laboratory....NOT in service....not ordered by SAAF or SANDF
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Refer to pic. I stated missiles were on display. I added no extra information. Perhaps they just borrowed them for the weekend and will return them first thing tuesday morning.

P.S Mokopa anti tank left the laboratory a long time ago. Algeria ordered 100 Mokopa missiles a few years ago.

Centrifude:
Ahh man this sucks I can't believe I missed out on another Air Force Capability display, writing exams sucks... Is the entrance fee still R100 bucks cause some of us are on a Student Budget (.___.)

Lol. R120

Centrifude:
Cool pics Bro..It looks like this years gear is way cooler than what they were showing last year. Is the Badger there cause i read somewhere that it would be there. And did you check out the Parabat Facility?

Nope. Didnt see Badger. But Defenceweb stated it would be there. Took all these pics in about 10 minutes, so missed a bit. Was actually there to watch the air force capability display....which was quite nice and loud. Low flying Rooivalk, Oryx dropping/extracting troops , Augusta, and low high speed passes by Gripen. Infantry also put on a nice show in the small space available.

jln115:
Awesome!!
I was at the Rand show last year, this year it looks even better!!!!

I was also at the Rand show in 2011, that year they had the electronic target range, i will never forget the loud mouth claiming he was ex SADF SFs ,yet my mother scored higher at target shooting.

Yep. 2016 wil be ever more interesting, with new systems coming online. Yeah there were guys like that today...acting as if they know more about the systems than the actual operators.