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FamilyRe: Wife Awarded The Sum Of N92 BILLION For Divorce Settlement by Sagamite(m): 7:05pm On Dec 05, 2014
carefreewannabe:
No Sagamite, you don't even know 1/4 of all 3,418,059,380 females in this world so your statement is for the simple minded. You can't do it with me.
I have seen too many du*mb men (also on this forum) to claim that logic is a male attribute and that females are generally less logical.

You are se*xist. This is what you are because it suits you just right.
You are not different from the men who oppressed women in the past by not allowing them to enter universities because they questioned their cognitive abilities.
Oh, I need to know all Nigerians befor I know they are religious?

I need to know all Indians before I know they are a nation of short people?

Amazing logic!
FamilyRe: Wife Awarded The Sum Of N92 BILLION For Divorce Settlement by Sagamite(m): 7:03pm On Dec 05, 2014
CFCfan:
You are soo right. But even some members of Congress are bought and paid for, by the Trial attorneys' union here.
Fck ME!

What a fcked up political system that country has.
FamilyRe: Wife Awarded The Sum Of N92 BILLION For Divorce Settlement by Sagamite(m): 7:02pm On Dec 05, 2014
carefreewannabe:
I don't make such statements. If I do, I will back them up with research.

I try not to judge people based on their gender, nationality, skin color or religious affiliation.
I try to be open-minded. Sorry, you have asked the wrong question.
I take each individual as they are, but if I need to talk about them generally, then I say what majority of them are. Simples!

Americans are IGNORANT!

Does that make me anti-Americans or anti-Yankist?
FamilyRe: Wife Awarded The Sum Of N92 BILLION For Divorce Settlement by Sagamite(m): 7:00pm On Dec 05, 2014
cococandy:
cant be going over that shii all the time. I think you know what it is about. I understand why you don't like it. Nobody likes a system that takes away the undue advantage they have been having
I know what it is and I know it is sexist and men-hating.

If you disagree and know it is something else, then go over it for my sake. I have never been over it with you before. grin
FamilyRe: Wife Awarded The Sum Of N92 BILLION For Divorce Settlement by Sagamite(m): 6:58pm On Dec 05, 2014
carefreewannabe:
How does it concern us?

The only thing that concerns me for NOW is that you call people illogical based on their gender and not on their individual abilities and that you think that your own experience is representative of 3,418,059,380 females, leaving out the FACT that you have called A VAST number of men fu*cktards here on this forum and certainly offline. I guess you forgot how logical they were.

This is what? This is SE*XISM.
I called them what they are based on what their gender biologically makes them most likely. That does not mean every single one of them is, but by and large they are. How is that sexist?

Is saying women are less powerful than men "sexist"?

I know it is sexist to a feminist. grin grin grin grin grin
FamilyRe: Wife Awarded The Sum Of N92 BILLION For Divorce Settlement by Sagamite(m): 6:55pm On Dec 05, 2014
CFCfan:
Why not attorney? grin
They law dictates, you have no powers. You just argue based on the guidelines of the law.

What needs to change is the law. Otherwise the logical arguments are useless and that is what America has at the moment.
FamilyRe: Wife Awarded The Sum Of N92 BILLION For Divorce Settlement by Sagamite(m): 6:53pm On Dec 05, 2014
fellis:
will read through and reply later
What I meant was you describing what a feminist is about.
FamilyRe: Wife Awarded The Sum Of N92 BILLION For Divorce Settlement by Sagamite(m): 6:52pm On Dec 05, 2014
EnlightenedSoul:
Typical.

Instead of addressing my question, you ----------> STRAYED.

What could a sexist possibly have on a 'man-hater'? I wanna know grin
You did not throw a question, you threw a strawman using a female logical compass.
FamilyRe: Wife Awarded The Sum Of N92 BILLION For Divorce Settlement by Sagamite(m): 6:51pm On Dec 05, 2014
carefreewannabe:
No, your 'women brick wall bla bla' slogans make you se*xist.
And s*Exist are also the laws you complain about.
Why complain about something you are also guilty of?
So if you say "Men cheat more" or "it is men that leave women holding the baby" does that make you "sexist" or you are speaking FACTS?
FamilyRe: Wife Awarded The Sum Of N92 BILLION For Divorce Settlement by Sagamite(m): 6:49pm On Dec 05, 2014
carefreewannabe:
Made in Naija? grin
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I just showed you on this thread the facts made in India. cool
FamilyRe: Wife Awarded The Sum Of N92 BILLION For Divorce Settlement by Sagamite(m): 6:46pm On Dec 05, 2014
cococandy:
feminism isn't about man-hate but I'm tired of saying that all the time
What is it about then?

fellis:
They know. They are just trolling/seeking attention.
You are free to answer as well.
FamilyRe: Wife Awarded The Sum Of N92 BILLION For Divorce Settlement by Sagamite(m): 6:44pm On Dec 05, 2014
carefreewannabe:
SE*XISM
No, just FACTS!!!
FamilyRe: Wife Awarded The Sum Of N92 BILLION For Divorce Settlement by Sagamite(m): 6:42pm On Dec 05, 2014
carefreewannabe:
I want to see it too. Good that the Christmas period is approaching and I will have time for such things. smiley smiley
I can't wait. smiley wink
I will try and watch it over the Xmas period too.

carefreewannabe:
I don't see myself separating from the father of my children but to be honest, I think only few men would be able to pay me for what I would lose when I stayed at home with the kids and then for making up for the period when I would only be able to work part-time as kids require a lot of time. This is the reality for MAJORITY of well-educated and well-earning women Sagamite.

I know that does not make the laws any better but it is not as easy being a woman as you sometimes make it seem with your sensational examples of extremely rich people. Don't get me wrong, I understand you and I am still with you on this, I just want you to see the whole picture.

And I am happy to say that in Germany some laws have been changed recently to make the situation better for men. I think that there is still more to be done, and I will be glad to support it in the name of fairness and personal responsibility, which I am a big fan of.

Am I a less feminine when I admit to be a fan of fairness and personal responsibility for all? tongue
You are an adult, you can choose not to enter into a situation where you will be worse off. That is your responsibility.

As long as the courts award people only what they have worked for or lost, I am fine. To EnlightenedSoul, that makes me "sexist". grin grin grin
FamilyRe: Wife Awarded The Sum Of N92 BILLION For Divorce Settlement by Sagamite(m): 6:38pm On Dec 05, 2014
EnlightenedSoul:
Strawman? Please. Did I utter a fallacy? My guess is you grew up outside the West. You like it here now of course, but boy were there 'perks' to being a man back home! You feel robbed, eh? I mean, it's all so very unfair...right? The last we spoke, you had a hard time understanding the simple concept of consent.

If 'feminism' is so insulting to you, you should be dually insulted by the fact that it had to come into being for the reasons it did.

@ Man-hater tongue lipsrsealed
What "logical" thinking! grin

So I grew up outside the West means?

.............I pray for all my problems instead of using my brain? Or I enjoy giving my money to Pastors to buy private jets?

Logic || Brick Wall || Women undecided
FamilyRe: Wife Awarded The Sum Of N92 BILLION For Divorce Settlement by Sagamite(m): 6:35pm On Dec 05, 2014
cococandy:
you're so wrong tongue . I've never been more feminist in my life than I am right now
Nah, you don't hate men enough to the point you are a lesbian or thinking about switching to one. tongue grin grin grin grin
FamilyRe: Wife Awarded The Sum Of N92 BILLION For Divorce Settlement by Sagamite(m): 6:34pm On Dec 05, 2014
CFCfan:
Sagamite, what sayest thou about being a family attorney? grin
This nigga needs to be the lawmaker and judge, not attorney. grin grin grin grin grin grin grin
FamilyRe: Wife Awarded The Sum Of N92 BILLION For Divorce Settlement by Sagamite(m): 6:18pm On Dec 05, 2014
cococandy:
Women in India have had it really bad. It is only fair if they make a new law that makes all the male children born henceforth to be automatic slaves with no rights for at least the next hundred years. tongue
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EXACTLY the moronic logic of a feminist! [size=4pt](Which you are not)[/size] grin
FamilyRe: Wife Awarded The Sum Of N92 BILLION For Divorce Settlement by Sagamite(m): 6:17pm On Dec 05, 2014
miredia:
That's a new one. You mean to say a court will disregard a pre-nup signed by both parties recognized initially by the court itself. Educate me more..
You need to see this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brznz2tif58
FamilyRe: Wife Awarded The Sum Of N92 BILLION For Divorce Settlement by Sagamite(m): 6:15pm On Dec 05, 2014
carefreewannabe:
Thank you. This is a reasonable approach to the problem and one that is NOT discriminating against people based on gender (I will just overlook the part where you talk of the average woman, which I am not so sure about).

I agree that the laws are biased when it comes to the division of money and properties. As a matter of fact, they are insanely st*oopid.
Now you got me standing up in applause of what you said. angry tongue

This is a docu-movie that came out earlier this year that I plan to see at all costs.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvTkbsCpvwU
FamilyRe: Wife Awarded The Sum Of N92 BILLION For Divorce Settlement by Sagamite(m): 5:54pm On Dec 05, 2014
EnlightenedSoul:
Spare me. As if it's a 'Muslim' thing. You whine about the West when essentially everything outside it is your stomping ground. Or am I wrong?

It took leaving the country a few times (to more than a few places) to make me a feminist. In fact, with the things I've seen, I'm surprised I'm not the man-hating misandrist you label me. Why would I be? It's interesting how a self-styled sexist such as yourself will attempt to make 'feminist' an insult by [knowingly] skewing it's meaning.
Yes, you are very wrong.

How can you say everything outside the West is my stomping ground? Are you trying to strawman me?

Yes, you are a man hater.

And, yes, being a feminist is an insulting tag.

3 wrongs there!!!
FamilyRe: Wife Awarded The Sum Of N92 BILLION For Divorce Settlement by Sagamite(m): 5:51pm On Dec 05, 2014
carefreewannabe:
I don't have a problem with you saying that the divorce laws in some countries are unfair. I agree with you even though I can also see that in majority of divorce cases, women do not even get half of what they invested because majority of men are not as rich as in the examples you show. There are millions of cases, in which women struggle financially after divorce and nobody can make it up for them that they were the ones who stayed at home to raise the couple's kids and have given up on their careers thus making a bigger sacrifice than their male counterparts. Such scenarios are more frequent than those you present here.

The only problem I have are your gender biased generalizations that present women as selfish and unfair creatures when in fact many men are not a bit better. You complain about s*exism but you make yourself guilty of it.
If you have a problem with s*exism, do not be se*xist yourself. This is hypocritical.
No doubt.

My argument is that the current laws which a lot of ediots support is inferior to what I have suggested as and you liked. Mine would make it more fair for all.

For one, asset division and alimony should not be based on "lifestyle used to", it should be based on "lifestyle able to provide for one's self" (based on the self-development and career progression pre-marriage). That way, we will not have strippers asking for billions as "part of their contribution to a marriage". Or dental nurses, taking a third of a footballers wages like Ray Parlour experienced.

Get what you earned or can potentially earn.

This women is unlikely to be able to earn £337m.

Yes, women are very selfish. Because of this selfishness and social acceptability of them being seen as children when it comes to "responsibilities", they take the liberty to be unfair. Men are unfair because of superior power they can get away with.

You would be surprised that the Woman wearing red that Marc Rudov is arguing with in the video I produced earlier, Lis Weihl, is a HARVARD LAW PhD holder. Yet when this woman opens her mouth to argue on women issues, she is as illogical as any average woman. It is shocking!!!
FamilyRe: Wife Awarded The Sum Of N92 BILLION For Divorce Settlement by Sagamite(m): 5:20pm On Dec 05, 2014
carefreewannabe:
They didn't claim it was fair? grin
Some men still do. There are many of them on NL.

And what made men so superior that they didn't allow women to go to school and to vote, FOR EXAMPLE?
Some men are not majority of men.

I am not going to waste my precious time defending what men did centuries ago because you asked.

That is not an argument line. I am not responsible for it, I did not participate in it, I do not support it and I do not defend it, nor do I need to or am I am obligated to defend it for these reasons. Don't think you can strawman me, I am Sagamite.

What I stand for and defend is for every adult to be equal and responsible for themselves. If you have a problem with that, then put your counter-arguments forward and I would defend that. cool
FamilyRe: Wife Awarded The Sum Of N92 BILLION For Divorce Settlement by Sagamite(m): 5:10pm On Dec 05, 2014
carefreewannabe:
@bold

Well, men have understood the principles of fairness and equality for centuries and so well that feminism had to emerge. undecided

You are very one-sided.
That is where you logic failed you.

During the centuries you refer to, men never said it was fair or equal. They said they were superior and deserved superior rights.

Women see themselves having an advantage as the meaning of equal.

Logic || Brick Wall || Women
FamilyRe: Wife Awarded The Sum Of N92 BILLION For Divorce Settlement by Sagamite(m): 5:02pm On Dec 05, 2014
EnlightenedSoul:
That I am. And?



Lol @ gynocracy. Well, you could always leave the West, and settle in the numerous countries where the words "I divorce you" are enough to end a marriage. Where you can just kick her out of the house if, and when you please. All you'll need is a ticket, and some paperwork.
I am not a Muslim!
FamilyRe: Wife Awarded The Sum Of N92 BILLION For Divorce Settlement by Sagamite(m):
It seems the Indian c*nts have also decided to join the train of their white superiors.

They are creating laws to discriminate against men, where after divorce, an ex-wife is not only entitled to 50% of a man's earnings during the marriage but also 50% of all his assets before the marriage and anything he inherits from his family after the divorce, irrespective of length of marriage.

Women are not suppose to be responsible for their own earnings.

That is not bad enough, under this same law, the woman is entitled to 100% of what she made during the marriage, before the marriage or she inherits.

That is what our feminists and women call "equality". I have always said it: "Women don't understand the principles of fairness or equality. To them, that just means they should have an advantage." And once they get their advantage, then everything is fine, we don't need to change it as it is just acceptable "custom/tradition".

These laws were created by male c*nts.

You can all see why I can't stand "real men" and "funky liberal progressives" wannabees.

I can never understand how people can be this daft.

Watch the argument of the women in the video: "Women are suffering, they lose out, they are poor, the don't make as much money as men, blah blah blah". And so? They are not adults who should make their own decisions? An arbitrary man has to pay for their unfortunate circumstances that is not his business and not caused by him?

Logic || Brick Wall || Women


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j3DlYfjfqQ
FamilyRe: Wife Awarded The Sum Of N92 BILLION For Divorce Settlement by Sagamite(m):
miredia:
That's a new one. You mean to say a court will disregard a pre-nup signed by both parties recognized initially by the court itself. Educate me more..
If she finds some lame excuse such as:

- I did not really understand it because I am a "poor, defenceless, naive woooooooooooman".

- It is unfair now considering how I gave birth to his kids and raised them singlehandedly while he was never at home.

- He was violent and emotionally abusive (but I have no proof) so I it is justice to make him pay financially.

- He promised me once during the marriage that he would review it because I am his world.

- He was unfaithful so the law needs to punish him.

- I gave him a lot of pillow talk advice and organised dinner parties for his networks that is worth more than the prenup offer and was included prior because of lack of prescience.

- Etc

There are judges susceptible to falling for it because the people and the press would not scream "OUTRAGE" at such arbitrary rubbish and injustice, so the judge would feel comfortable! If they are not screaming, your voice and screams are insignificant. You are on your own.

Just know that as a man in the West, the law is created and maintained to be against you and not on your side. The implementation of it is likely to also be against you. The same way a woman would be treated under the same circumstances is not the way you would be if in the same circumstances. The law is only set-up to take prenup into consideration in most geographies, not to see it as a binding contract.

Also, as a man you are on your own.

You are on your own because Western men are PUSSSSIES who like to be called "real man", so they would not stand up to join you or protect themselves against being discriminated against.

You are on your own because Western journalists are funky liberal progressive wannabees who are only interested in defending the rights of whoever falls in a group that is historically weaker than, and less violent on, the group of the second party e.g. women, blacks, homosexuals, disabled, poor, citizen (vs government), atheist (not muslims because their group is violent) etc. They are not interested in the truth, fairness or logic.

Get married in the West and put your life at the mercy of the whims of a woman.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlvuatQH12E
FamilyRe: Wife Awarded The Sum Of N92 BILLION For Divorce Settlement by Sagamite(m): 1:36pm On Dec 05, 2014
2good:
The problem is that prenup is getting useless these days based on the most flimsy excuse presented by a woman in court. The judge can choose to completely nullify your prenup and there is nothing you can do about it so why expose yourself to a legal theft by your so called ex wife and the government?
Well said!

The West is a gynocracy state that only creates laws for the maximum benefit of women.
FamilyRe: Wife Awarded The Sum Of N92 BILLION For Divorce Settlement by Sagamite(m):
2good:
This is why men in the west need to stop getting married because women are more of a liability and add very little value to their life.
On the flip side, news like this is speedingly helping to end marriage like polio have been eradicated in the west.
Marriage has a negative net benefit to the average man in the West.

I, Sagamite, of the Kingdom of Human Gods called Sagamu, have officially originated and developed that quote.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJXW0Z0oMvQ
FamilyRe: Wife Awarded The Sum Of N92 BILLION For Divorce Settlement by Sagamite(m): 1:28pm On Dec 05, 2014
jennykadry:
ROTFLMAO. I havenever seen someone so full of himself ever grin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9zk448H69U

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FamilyRe: Wife Awarded The Sum Of N92 BILLION For Divorce Settlement by Sagamite(m): 1:26pm On Dec 05, 2014
EfemenaXY:
You break my heart.

I am not a feminist. How can I be when I rely on you to get my bend-down market going plus my 2K salon runz money for my hair and Dada Osun soap? shocked shocked

Re: the struck out sentences... tongue tongue

Na lie. You won't sleep easy at night if you do am. You nor fit. (Now how d'you say that in Yoruba..."you nor fit"?) cheesy cheesy
No, I don't think you are a feminist at all.

Feminists hate men and look for ways to attack/suppress/subdue/discriminate on men with their illogicality while using the legal system. EnlightenedSoul is a feminist, you are not.

What you and babyosisi are and are exhibiting is that you are a typical woman.

A typical woman wants all the rights, benefits, privileges, security or pleasure but she does not want any of the responsibilities, work, obligations, risks or pain. Those, in an average woman's view, should be passed to men.

A feminist would think all those are a fundamental right of women and any man that argues against that is a misogynist that makes her blood boil with rage and the law should do something to force the man to accept it.

EfemenaXY:
Lol!
So the shameless man was looking for a free ride off the back of another man (her ex), via his ex (estranged wife)?
Let him cough up the £17 million divorce settlement money.
But it is not a shameless woman that wants a free ride off the back of a man's sweat? grin grin grin grin grin

Typical woman! grin
FamilyRe: Wife Awarded The Sum Of N92 BILLION For Divorce Settlement by Sagamite(m): 1:18pm On Dec 05, 2014
EfemenaXY:
This your line of argument is just wack!

So marriage isn't a union but a business decision with subjective views on what's fair and what isn't? And the point you make about people defining what it should mean to them - yes, I get that - but some form of univerality (if that's a word sef) is needed na, don't you think? Of all the billions of people walking on the surface of the earth, if say, 1 billion of them do get married, how sustainable would it be to have 1 billion definitions of what their union marriage is?

I don't see how saying marriage is a union between the involved parties is pushing one's dogma on others. undecided
As I said, you can define your own marriage anyhow you wish. Marriage is just a registration of a relationship between two adults.

If you like, call yours a union or Union Bank. If you like ignore the financial implications. But don't say "that is what marriage is" and then think everyone has to accept it. Define YOUR OWN marriage. grin

Universality needed? No, I don't think so.

Why do you think their should be universality?

Just like you would tell us that we need some universality on what God is, how many Gods are there, which Gods to worship, how to worship this/these Gods?

How is each couple defining how they want their marriage to each other be unsustainable?

And how is such approach less sustainable than the approach of a third party like you defining it for them and want to force them to accept?
Foreign AffairsRe: ‘yes Means Yes” The New Sex Law Of California by Sagamite(m): 1:16am On Dec 05, 2014
This guy says everything I have been saying here. And this is even confirmed by a former law enforcement officers:

- The laws are bias against men and are sexist.

- Stuupid laws like this give women power but no responsibilities.

- Women don't get charged for falsely claiming raape.

- Western men are ball-less fcktards that suck up to women like ediots!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaoiZfpNz2k



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmltdtnC9HE

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