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Kay 17: @sagamite

I meant are the three conditions to be considered together or just an individual condition suffices?

I still don't get your point or direction of argument?

What are you trying to say? Nature should not dictate moral principles?

onetrack: If god had meant for humans to fly, he would have given them wings. Man should not fly. Very simple. Technology has encouraged a lot of unnatural behavior and god is watching. If Nigerian officials had any true belief in God at all they would close the airports and arrest the passengers and pilots of all planes that do land in Nigeria. Telephones are also unnatural. I've never seen one in nature.

Thank the Lord I can spot a person from their first few statements and I am quick to pull the trigger of calling them a person.

I was not wrong about this guy, just like I was not wrong about Fucktard00028.

What a pure person!

Kay 17: Conjunctive or any one of the conditions suffices??

What the hell are you talking about?

F00028: you mean for something to be natural to human beings, bugs gotta do it too

You are a person!

Shut up, this is above your brain level.

F00028: listen sh.i.t for brains, when you make a claim and you're asked for proof, a rhetorical question won't do...Godd.amned imbecil'e

do you practice being this stu.pid or does it just come naturally?

person, what is the point of giving a lecture to a mooron like you that has proven not to be able to retain the education given barely 7 days ago? What is the point of giving a lecture to a moronic almajiri that condemns major parts of his religion but yet still continues to practice the religion?

Cretin, why did you decide to vomit the same arguments you were slaughtered with on another thread.

person!

[quote author=ekt_bear]lol, i thought this thread would be about belly fat.[/quote]Me too.

The tag I developed for this in my PhD in Womantology dissertation was the JIC guy, not spare tyre. *Just In Case*

Kay 17: Monks for example, but let's forget that and not be distracted.

Behaviours that are Natural and "normal" are morally permissible in a society, right? But "normal" is morally defined. And its defined with the standard of Nature, right?

Monks are not being forced to be celibate. They have a choice don't they? Or which country do you know of that forces people to be Monks?

Defined by nature, acceptability and rationality. The last two are subjective.

What is your point? Nature should not dictate moral principles?

Kay 17: @Sagamite

Any free thinking creature with a mind, will have a belief. Either a thought on techniques of hunting or new mating position etc. I still think a standardized pattern of non vital, non survivalist behaviour coupled with sets of beliefs is religion.

I like your comparism btw Western and Islamic societies, and the relativity of morality btw them. It is more like a majority vote. However, you haven't explained Nature's role in how they decide morality and why differently.

Taking a dump, eating are necessary vis a vis natural. But religions/moral codes do fight against necessary/natural behaviour, eg sex.

I have explained it.

Nature coupled with normal is not subject to morality judgements.

No one can tell any other person not to have sex, they can only tell under what terms and conditions they can have it.

Any society that attempts to tell its population not to have sex at all would have its leaders slaughtered.

Secondly, the more unnatural something is, the more likely it would be deemed immoral by the society.

Those are Nature's roles for you.

Kay 17: Yes, no physical behaviour from animals that resemble our rituals etc.

Its dangerous to tie religion down only to beliefs. Beliefs are contents of the mind and to categorize all mental contents as religion will be ridiculous. Perception and fundamental beliefs are at least philosophies. Rituals only don't make religions, but complement it.

Animals don't demonstrate physical what we believe to be religion, therefore religion isn't universal and natural.

You have to tie it down to beliefs only. Anything beyond belief would be excessive and difficult to make a comparison to animals as they do not have the same ratiocination capability as a average human. Although a lot of them might have ratiocination capability that is above Logicboy03 but that is a different case. It has to be kept at belief for any logical validity.

For example, we cannot say humans talking is unnatural because we don't see it at the same level in animals. Animals don't have dictionaries and conferences. Animals communicate too but at a basic level.

Communicating vocally is not universal but exist in many animals at a basic level, and I suspect belief will be too in some animals.

Even an unbeliever like me, when at the troughs of a violent and inevitable death might wish for transcendental intervention. It is only a natural response. How I ratiocinate and develop that inherent response in a different environment is what is different.

Kay 17: You are saying Nature forms morality, therefore unnatural but normal behaviour is as immoral as unnatural and abnormal behaviour.

Not neccesarilly.

The morality level of such behaviours is dependent on social judgement. Some societies normalise what is unnatural.

There are societies that see it as more immoral for a man to have sex with a child, than for a man to have sex with a man. Western

There are societies that see it as more immoral for a man to have sex with a man, than for a man to have sex with a child. Islamic

Generally, both have normalised their respective latter to a degree.

I, personally, see both as equally disgusting. If you have more of me in a society, then both would be immoral. While some like you are heavily aligned to the Western approach.

But no rational or sane society can ever say it is immoral to take a dump or eat. That is natural and normal, hence not subject to societal dictates.

promire2004: Ideally, a lady is free to have suitors. If she's got d appeal and what it takes to be admired, she is definitely gonna meet different guys. Please, don't get it twisted ooo. A lady can have as many admirers as possible without neccessarily sleeping with them. Not all relationships end in marriage. For example, if a lady is in a relationship which isn't clearly defined, I think she should leave her options open. A lady can be friends with the opposite sex without sleeping with them. Although, the best option is to examine someone closely before you start a relationship with the person. Long courtships isn't a guarantee for marriage hence the duration of the courtship shouldn't be more than a year. A lady feels insecure when she is stuck in a relationship for too long without any guarantee of marriage. As for guys, please be honest. If you find out that the person you are dating isn't good enough for marriage, please make her understand by giving her genuine reasons. Don't waste her time by dating her for soooo long when you ain't gonna marry her in the long run. If only humans were sincere, there won't be any need for a spare tyre. Also, a relationship built on the word of God won't need a spare tyre. I don talk my own ooooo. #END OF STORY#

Lads, listen.

She is giving it to you raw and unedited.

Basically it is OK for women to act in their best interest.

I have told you all several times, majority of women will act in their best interest. If you like, say you are a Real Man and don't look at your best interest.

[quote author=Mynd_44]And how would you feel if your girl was keeping a spare tire?[/quote]Virtually every girl does.

I have no control over that but, unlike "Real Men", I make it a priority to always act in my best interest and position myself to obtain my best interest in the midst of the influencing dynamics on the floor.

I would not lose sleep over it, I will do what is best for me as I deem fit.

It is a game, and I am a big player.

I am as messy on other players of the game as messi is to other players in the game.

Logicboy03: Sagamite,


I have to go.


I'll be back to give you more pain.


Anyways, thanks for helping me to break the world record and Nairaland record for saying "person" enough times without getting banned.


The garri group mus be envious! The price of garri is less than faucktard

You are a person!

Make sure you come back for more intellectual battering.

Kay 17: Both as a ritual and a set of foundational beliefs.

Maybe.

Religion, as we understand it, comprises of belief and human actions (rituals). Hence religion is based on human decision making process, which animals do not have.

That is why you have to look at it from a concept of belief only.

There is no way we can prove animals do not believe in a God. Even such belief (by animals) would be limited based on their limited ability to ratiocinate like humans.

Kay 17: Do you consider Nature to dictate moral principles to man?

Yep! It is the originator referential basis. I have told you before:

https://www.nairaland.com/934071/obama-announces-support-same-sex-marriage/7#10797294

Logicboy03: How ridiculous.


I advanced an argument that homosexuality is a form of love.


You are the one to rebutt it if you have any valid point.


You have none, I presume?

You are a person!

I should waste my time with a cretinous foool with such a moronic point?

You think I am a product of the same educational system that produced your dumb arse?

You think I am a product of Educational ministries that have Patience Jonathan as Perm Sec?

That is the defence you can offer?

You are a person!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yytbDZrw1jc&

Logicboy03: Please, lord person, can you tell me what is wrong with my comment?


Debunk me, your Fucktardness!


Dumbazz

You are a person!

Tell us what makes sense in your moronic comment!

Logicboy03: In what universe is this a proper rebuttal?


Fucktardverse I presume?

You are a person!

What is there to rebut in a fucktardious, meaningless point?

You are immensely dumb. I order you to change your handle name asap!

Kay 17: Religion is not natural, cos we are the only species that practice it.

Is morality defined by Nature?

How do you know we are the only one that practice it?

Because you are not seeing it in the same communicative form in other animals as you see it humans?

Furthermore, what do you understand by the word religion? The beliefs or the rituals?

Logicboy03: S.ex is natural

Love is natural



Homosexuality is another form of love.

That is your argument?



Chineke o!

E no go better for IBB o!

E no go better for Abacha o!

Dem don ruin your life finish.

Product of a failed education system.

KAI!

[quote author=Mynd_44]I will Sau/type it again, any girl that decides to use me as spare tire or has one while with me is sleeping on okada. The second I know, she is out[/quote]I have been spare tyre a few times, most of the girls did not know I knew. I could not care less. As long as I get laid and then I leave when I want to.

Logicboy03: What a foolish analogy. There is a difference between Natural and naturally doing something. Eating poo is not natural to human beings but it is still natural. Dogs and pigs eat human poo.


Mental illness is quite natural.Especially if it is caused by defects or disease.


Homosexuality is natural.

It is the same biological reaction

that a straight man would have looking at a naked woman

that a gay man would have looking at a naked man


Erection. Different does not mean unnatural

You are a person!

What proof do you have that homosexuality is natural?

You are in deep shyt. You think you can come here and vomit the moronic junk fed to your follow-follow dumbarse?

Devastated that your 78 year old mother died?

You want her to live forever?

It is only when you realise you are in a game with women is when you will know how to play the game.

truthislight: that insanity causes a human to eat poo then means that human naturally eat poo?

Thanks man.

That is the logic according to fucktards like Logicboy03.

Another of those cretins that develop NL username that is an inadequate fit.

See the cretin using "logic" in his name.

Logicboy03: https://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/28444693.jpg

That is you tactic now?

You are going to be quiet?

This is what I just did to you:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vw4EMCCZ7wA&

Never fck with your God!

Logicboy03: You are seriously deluded. lol. I can see that now. You are the father of all fucktards.

I answered your questions. You only seem interested in dismissing my answers, then either playing strawmen or asking irrelevant questions to the issue.

Btw are you an atheist or christian or muslim or agnostic or what?

You are a person!

Where did you answer my question, cretin?

When people ask you a question A, answer with point A, not point B that is an answer to question B!

FOOOOOL!

Logicboy03: Your questions are quite irrelevant.

a) I never said that majority of prisons/countries in the whole world allow hookers/conjugal visits.

b) The point is masturbation and hookers are their choices.

c) I never said that the Wikipedia article represented all the countries in thw world. However, but from the ones i objectively know of (a la wikipedia), majority allow conjugal visits

You are a person!

So why were you trying tot bamboozle me as if the list on your wiki is proof conjugal visit is allowed in majority of countries?

I gave you a test, where are the answers, cretin?

Logicboy03: Why are you so butthurt?


I answered your questions. I just didnt fall into your failed trap.

You are a person, where are the answers?

You think you can switch topics on your God and avoid answering?

I said you will be intellectully slaughtered.

Never fck with your God again!

When you see me, start worshipping! It is my fundamental human right.

Logicboy03: Read before you call someone a person.

(NB; the bold in the two comments)

You are a person!

What else am I suppose to read, fooooool!

How is the point of human beings flying in planes similar to birds flying? Or where did you see humans flying like birds?

Tell me how flying in planes is unnatural.

F00028: prove it dimwit! facts and figures!

You are a person!

What else is there to prove when something is cultural and a religious right?

Logicboy03: Think before you call someone a person.


I think he was using flying in a biological sense eg birds flying. He was not talking about flying inn aeroplanes.


Humans flying in aeroplanes aint natural.

You are a person!

How is the point of human beings flying in planes similar to birds flying? Or where did you see humans flying like birds?

Cretin!

Start begging the moderators to ban you now.

PLEAD WITH THEM!

Logicboy03: Ah, still playing straw men?

1) My assertion was that they either masturbate or get hookers.

2) Asking how many prisons get hookersconjugal visits is quite irrelevant. Why? because I never said that all prisons allow it.

3) Most of the countries listed in that wikipedia article allow conjugal visits in the prisons. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conjugal_visit#Country

4) There are prisoners that dont get involved in homosexual acts in prison. One must be gay or bisexual to do such.

You are a person!

Your moronic arsse asserted that because some prisons have conjugal visit is "fact" that prisoners have access to prostitutes!

How does your example prove that those that engage in gay sex in prison are gay.

Your moronic arse cannot deduce why some would not engage in gay sex? Let me not give you the reasons yet, let me see if you can deduce it before I tell you, person! Lets see how poor your education is.

Now tell me why.

Then your moronic arsse think you can bamboozle me with a moronic assertion about some thing on wikipedia.

No 1, tell me if the countries in the wiki page are majority of the countries in the world?

No 2, of those countries listed, apart from your idiotic asserttion that most give conjugal visits, what proportion give it to all prisoners? And of these proportion of countries, how many allow conjugal visits up to a level of sexual satisfaction, you dumbfuck?

Logicboy03: Epic fail! There are conservative libertarians. Infact, libertarians in america support many conservative policies.

Furthermore, what you fail to see is that liberalism is a wide term and many progressive have liberal views. They have similar characteristics bvut it doesn mean one came out from the other.

You are a person!

You think it is me you can be jumping from one slaughtered moronic point to another and running from your own points like a market thief running from a beating?

What I asked you was:

Sagamite: So why do conservatives, as you claimed, don't like liberals? Why do you think Libertarians and Progressives like liberals? They hold essentially the same views?

Answer the gaddamn questions!

onetrack: Enough with the ad hominem attacks, they just show that you have no argument. Natural is anything that occurs in nature without human enterprise. Humans do not fly in a natural environment. Therefore flying should be condemned as unnatural. Rather than calling me names, give me a logical response. That is what debate is about.

You are a person!

I call you names not because I have no arguments but because I want you to develop self-awareness.

Never use technology as a basis of comparison with biological or ecological naturality.

Let me use your moronic assertion to correct you: your dumb arsse should also realise human beings in planes are not flying, they are in something that flies. Hence they are not acting unnaturally.

Bloody foolish ediots that want to appear like they are throwing cutting edge arguments but end up looking like a moronic fucktards!

A person that states because a few minute prisons allow conjugal visits is "fact" that prisoners can have access to prostitutes is the fooool that wants to debate with me.

I will kill today!

Logicboy03: I never made such assumption. Another straw man by the straw man person.

I said that they either masturbate or get prostitutes. What happens if they cant get conjugal visits? Self-service.

You keep embarrassing yourself.

You are a person!

I gave you a scenario, you dismissed it by saying there is conjugal visits, and then your moronic, foolish, dumb, cretinous, lunatical arsse went to bring examples of the conjugal visit that showed it was in minority of cases; something which those of us with a brain know, hence why I said:

Sagamite: Where do they get prostitutes to go into jails? How many prisons?

Your cretinous arsse thinks people that have no access to opposite sex and who then engage in gay sex are gay?

You are person!

What school failed you? What school produced a dumbshyt like you?

Logicboy03: Lol

I asked you if you were a conservative because you mentioned liberals in a negative light. Conservatives dont really like liberals as they hold many opposing views. I wanted to be sure of my hypothesis. Conservatives are also not much for gays.

Very simple and logical thing to do.

You are a person!

So why do conservatives, as you claimed, don't like liberals? Why do you think Libertarians and Progressives like liberals? They hold essentially the same views?

You are a cretin!

You are in deep shyt! You shall be SLAUGHTERED!

You will know your God today and you will worship!