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@Telly B

The Catholic churches and Protestant churches alike in different countries were blessing the troops and telling them that God was on their own side and they were doing the will of God to go and kill fellow Catholics and Protestants. Prayers everyday for troopsInfact church participation and its effects in wordly conflicts such as WWII are documented.

One thing is clear from all these though. The god that this people follow is Nationalism and not the True God

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all i can say is this to this debate .

At least Christiandom is clearly showing that it is not following the instuction and example of Christ and really has no intention of doing so irrespective of her claims.


Now that we have that out of the way, i think you guys shoud get ready to open your bibles to see Why true christians cannot pledge to use their lives to serve, protect, defend and futher wordly goverments, the basic oaths a Politician or a Military officer would take and be forced to act on. It directly contravens the lives and requirments of living as a christian.

True Christians want to follow the example of their master and would want to know why Jesus and his true followers before the inception of apostasy would not be involved in this worlds political affairs, would not  hold political office nor become a soilder nor engage in wordly warfares to protect national sovreignties.

Two of the reasons are obvious ie It goes directly against the requirments of a christian life and secondly they also know God plans to completely destroy  this worlds political system and its military ambitions and that if they were to have God's favour and truely be his servants, they would have no part in these.

But there are more reasons than those stated above

A closer examination of both Daniel and Revelation reavels the identity of the wild beast, the harlot, the relationship between them and all.

@Tayo D, il also try to show you why the Harlot is not a physical city but false religion( a major part of that harlot makes false claims to be Christ followers but is obviously not)


Its not like i expect it to make any difference, but il try and make out time. This debate takes up my break time .

So what should be the stand of any true christian on this issue? It is clear as daylight. Follow the example of the master and his true folowers!


Did they get invoved in the politics of their day or in the military realm in anyway---------------------NO

Did they pay their taxes-----------------------------Yes

Did they obey the civil laws ----------------------Yes

Did they incite to civil disobidience---------------------------------NO

Did they disobey Ceaser when it conflicted with their Christian calling------------------YES


This worlds dying political and military system soon to be destroyed by God as promised is no place for a true Christian. The true first century followers of Jesus realised that and kept away fom it (yes they were hated by the world in general). True Christians today realise that too today

@TV01.

Do you honestly think this debate would make a difference??

People know the example and Instructions of Jesus and his true followers but don't want to follow it. Would anything we say make a difference??

I think the description of Revelation looks like its correct and apt right before our eyes.

Revelation makes it clear that apart from those who follow the footsteps of Jesus and his instructon, the whole world is actually worshiping the wild beast. People today worship the god of nationalism and this dying world's political system and rulership.

People today claim to be Christians (Both Catholics and Protestants alike) but when the god of nationalism calls, they all turn to worship it. By placing the will of the Wild beast ahead of that of what the will of God and his Son is for their true followers, they inadventently worship the wild beast.

The so called Christians would mire themselves in the dying political realm of this world, pick up arms and kill themselves like members of Christiandom have done from the begining of apostate christianity (Catholics and Protestants all claiming to Worship the True God and all claiming to follow in the footsteps of his Son kill each other ie Catholics killing Catholics and Protestants and Protestants killing fellow protestants and Catholics alike)

If the god of nationalism calls these so called Christians again, they would pledge their primary alligiance and service to it time and again.
At the end of the day, they now claim to be true christians, claim to have love among each other, claim that the weapons of their warfare are not carnal and claim to follow in the footsteps of Jesus .

It is striking when you recall that Jesus made it clear that it is works and not claims that would identify those who are threading the part that he left for his true followers. And he also made it clear that the people who are claiming to obey him but in reality do not follow his footsteps are those he would tell he does not know them.



@I am honestly tired of this debate because people even in the light of the example of of the person they claim to be their master and his true followers have no intentions of following it but always try to make it a chose for yourself issue

If this debate continues it would be pointless. Already there has been accusations of incitment to civil disobidience. Next thing they are going to claim is that we are trying to be the only righteous ones.

Where did i suggest civil disobidience in ANY SINGLE POST OF MINE on this topic?


@TV01

I guess that exposing Christiandom for its harlotry stings many people who now keep quoting Rom13:1 as if it an excuse. The bible makes it clear how true Christians would act, how their actions would really identify who they are really following and who they really worship, not just claim to worship. The bloody record of Christiandom (apostate christianity) speaks volumes to whom her master is. Definately not Jesus Christ because Christiandom has little regard for the son of God and the instructions and example he set for those who want to be his true followers

The writer of Romans 13:1 himself kept away from wordly political and and military aims, exactly following in the footsteps of his Lord and other faithful apostles.


And TV01, this debate is useless. I thought we were reasoning with people who said that they are or at least want to follow in the example of Jesus and his true early followers, as well as obey his instruction, but obviously it is not so. They have no regard for the footsteps of who they claim is their master and they want to 'rationalize' out a reason as to why wordly politics should be acceptable to true Christianity

Tell him to keep his virginity

That it would make you respect him more and adore him forever as your husband. It would give you joy to know that you are the only woman that would get to know him sexually. That should make him keep his virginity for you.

They say it makes sense on the side of a woman, why shoudnt it on the side of a man

@I-Man

i ususally stick to sports sections on forums where i can make pinpoint and objective analysis. This debate was of intrest though. I don't really do religious forums, too much pointless arguements but that does not in anyway change clear cut truth

@I-man and Telly-B

Both of you behave as if y'all don't see the point.

So called Christians, by not heeding Jesus command to keep seperate from the world and imitating his example of non involvement in the politics and military affairs of his day even though his people were in need of it and as his first century disciples did, have found themselves in situations like the one of WWII

What is Ludicrious about my post

1 Did Catolics not kill Catolics and did Protestants not kill protestants (not only in WWII but also in Conflicts all around the Globe) even though they all clame to worship the same God

2 All around Countries religious leaders were praying and telling people that God was with the troops of their own country and that people should pray for the troops, meanwhile millions of so called Christians end up killing themselves.

3 In Nigerian Conflicts did so called Christians on both sides not kill themselves Did Yoruba Catolics and Protestants alike not kill the Catholics and Protestants on the Igbo side and Vice Versa even though they all claim to worship the same God

I dont see any point arguing this pointlessly.

Like i said before i did not come here to win a debate, I am just putting out the facts there.

The example of Jesus is there for all to see

The example of First century Chritians are there for all to see

The fact that the majority of the so called "Christians" pay no attention to the example of Jesus nor have any desire to follow his examples and instructions on this matter is there for all to see

The result of so called "Christians" involving themselves in what Jesus and his true followers advoided and were instructed to advoid and miring themselves in the contentions and strifes of wordly kingdoms is there for all to see
CIAO

@Telly B, Where did i lie?

Millions of people were killed in the second world war, Tens of millions infact.

The waring nations were mainly the so called "Christian" countries like Italy, Germany, Britain, the United States, France and others. In each of these nations Millions of Catolics and Protestants enlisted in the armed forces of each nation and killed each other in the name of the same God they all were claiming to worship and all claiming that God would back their own country to kill and finish off those in the other country. What a blashphemy on the name of the Almighty!

I just used that as an example. In the Nigerian civil war, Yoruba Catolics and Protestants alike fought and killed Igbo Catolics and Protestants while they all claimed to worship the same God and all claimed to have the backing of God. Too. The same scenerio plays out all around the globe.

Jesus and First century Christians had no part in the politics and military realms of their day.

True Christians today follow the footsteps of their master

@TV01

I taught that you would have some concluding thoughts on this matter. For me this case is about closed.

Anything you would like to chip in? .

The next time you invite me into a debate, il think it over b/4 jumping in. I might just be like this

Well im did not come into this to win any debate but the facts are clear for all to see

In imitation of their Lord and Savior Jesus, true Christians in the first century had no part in the political and military realms of their day. True christians today do likewise.

The present dying political system and nationalistic divisions of this world soon to be destroyed by God is nowhere for people who are really following the footsteps of Jesus to be found.

It is frightning that so called Christians do not see any problem with things like these:

During the wars of the nations, for eg 2nd world war, so called christianity (actually a big time harlot) was involved in one of the greatest debacles of its history like it has done since apostacy crept in and still does today. The German Cardinals and their Vatican connection asked the people to pray for Germany because God was with them. The German religious leaders blessed the troops and told Hitler that God was with them and asked the citizens to pray for the country. The Italian religious leaders and the Vatican blessed Italian troops and the Facist goverment and told them that God was with them and that the citizens should pray for the country. The Church of England blessed english troops and supported the goverment and asked the people to pray for the country since God was with them. The same story in france, eastern europe and the United States and much of the world.

What was the end result?

Millions of Catholics killing fellow Catholics

Millions of Protestants killing fellow Protestants (Anglicans, Lutherans, Episcopelians etc)

Catholic and Protestant Legislators voting to go to war and Kill fellow Catholics and Protestants

Catholic and Protestant Prime Ministers and Heads of states and Goverments signing of war acts to kill other Catholics and protestants.
[b]The general so called Christians praying to God to help them to kill and finish off enemy countries where millions who profess the same faith live.[/b]Everybody believing that God is with their own country . Hilarious. Please guys who was God with in these situations?

The same could even be said of the Nigerian civil war and the Bakassi conflict.

Catolics and Protestants on both sides killed themselves in mass.

IRONICALLY THEY ALL CLAIM TO CALL ON THE SAME GOD AND CLAIM TO WORSHIP THE SAME GOD

WHAT REALLY MAKES A PERSON A TRUE CHRISTIAN? IS IT PROFESSING AND CLAIMING TO BE A CHRISTIAN AND SHOUTING CHRIST, OR IS IT ACTUALLY FOLLOWING IN THE FOOTSTEPS OF CHRIST.

Those scriptures along with a careful consideration of Daniel chap 7 and Revelation where the angels of God identifies these beasts as human rulership gives a full indication as to what the attitude of True Christians today should be towards the the worship of the god of Nationalism.

Christians are to obey the civil authorities and pay their taxes but also
Acts 5:29. shows that when the demands of civil goverments are in conflict with Christian requirements, their Christian obligations comes first.

The identifying marks of true christianity are clear and these include

Some Identifying Marks of True Christianity as stated in the bible include

1 Seperate from the world (Both its Military aims and Politics)

2 Love among themselves (not through killings in Nationalistic wars)

3 Proclaiming the Message of God's Kingdom under his Son (Not lauding political entities)

Compare that to the following scriptural passages that i had posted and the precedent that is set for true christianity.


1 Who rules the world?

Luke 4:6 The devil showed him all the kingdoms of the Earth and their glory and said that all this has been delivered to me AND IT IS TO WHOM I WANT THAT I GIVE IT TO. (it couldnt have been more clear from the devil and Jesus knew it was true so he didnot argue that point. I had a discussion with somebody on this forum who said that that claim was a lie by the devil, but if it was, why would Jesus on at least 5 different occasions confirm that what the devil said is true??

1st John 5:19: shows that The whole world is in the power of the Devil.

John 14:30: shows that The ruler of this world has no hold on Jesus.

John 12:31 The ruler of the world judged, is to be cast or thrown out 

John 16:11. The ruler of the world ie Satan already judged

2nd Corinthians 4:4 clearly identifies the Devil as the god of this world



2 Influence of Satan on human rulership and Gods plan for all human rulership

1st John 5:19 asshown above

Daniel 2:44 The God of Heaven to establish his own kingdom that will crush all human rulership and bring them to an end

Rev 16:14-16: Satan incites the rulers of the earth and God to destroy all human rulership.

Ephisians 6:12 Christians have a battle against world leaders and the invisible spirit rulers who control human rulership

Psalms 110:5. Rulers to be broken to pieces in the day of God's anger.

Psalms 2:8,9 Nations to become the inheritance of God's anointed king. Human Kingdoms to be broken to pieces.

Dan 7: 13,14: Rulership to be given back rightfully to Christ



3 What influences Christian attitudes towards wordly political power and Military service

John 6: 14,15- People are amazed and happy at Jesus works try to confer human rulership on him. He rejects it.

James 4:4 . Friendship with the world is enemity with God.

2 Cor 10:3,4: True Christians have no part in Fleshly warfares and Military conflicts of this world

Matt 26:52: Jesus asks his apostle to return his weapon, setting an example for Christians in armed conflict.

John 15:19 Christians must be separate from the world (the world would hate them as a direct result of this)

John 17:16 Separateness from the world a must.

John 18:36 Jesus Kingdom not from this world or the same source as the other wordly kingdoms

1st John 2 15-17. The world is passing away (Together with its its military and political desires)

James 1:27. Christians to be separate, without spot from worldly affairs.


4 Do true worshippers of God place their hope in men?

Jer 10:23 Jeremiah acknowledging to God that It does not belong to man to direct his own ways.

Ps 146: 3,4 : Do not put trust in Men because no salvation comes from anyman.

Ecc 8:9 Man has oppressed man to his affliction


5. Commission for true Christians

Matt 24:14. The news of God's Kingdom to be declared accross the corners of the earth.

Acts 1:19-20  True christians to witness about Jesus to all the Earth

6 The hope of True Christians lies not with any human Govt but with the Kingdom of God under Christ. The kingdom that will wipe away all tears from all faces, make wars to cease to the extremities of the earth and do away with death forever plus a million  other benefits 
Rev 21:3,4 (and a host of a million scriptures that will be provided on request

The Early Church and the World : “up to the reign of Marcus Aurelius at least [161-180 C.E.], no Christian would become a soldier after his baptism.” In The New World’s Foundations in the Old: “The first Christians thought it was wrong to fight, and would not serve in the army even when the Empire needed soldiers.”

The History of the Christian Religion and Church, During the Three First Centuries by Augustus Neander: “The Christians stood aloof and distinct from the state, . . . and Christianity seemed able to influence civil life only in that manner which, it must be confessed, is the purest, by practically endeavouring to instil more and more of holy feeling into the citizens of the state.”

The Rise of Christianity, by E. W. Barnes, who reported: “A careful review of all the information available goes to show that, until the time of Marcus Aurelius [Roman emperor from 161 to 180 C.E.], no Christian became a soldier; and no soldier, after becoming a Christian, remained in military service.”

“Early Christianity was little understood and was regarded with little favor by those who ruled the pagan world. . . . Christians refused to share certain duties of Roman citizens. . . . They would not hold political office.” (On the Road to Civilization—A World History, A. K. Heckel and J. G. Sigman, 1937, pp. 237- “They refused to take any active part in the civil administration or the military defence of the empire. . . . It was impossible that the Christians, without renouncing a more sacred duty, could assume the character of soldiers, of magistrates, or of princes.”—History of Christianity, Edward Gibbon, 1891, pp. 162-3.

Historian Will Durant wrote: “To a Christian his religion was something apart from and superior to political society; his highest allegiance belonged not to Caesar but to Christ. . . . The detachment of the Christian from earthly affairs seemed to the pagan a flight from civic duty, a weakening of the national fiber and will. Tertullian advised Christians to refuse military service; . . . Christians were exhorted by their leaders to avoid non-Christians, to shun their festival games as barbarous, and their theaters as stews of obscenity. . . . Christianity [when making converts] was charged with breaking up the home.”—Caesar and Christ, page 647.

@Tayo D

Before i leave might i ask how those scriptures you quoted negates the example of Jesus and his apostles or the early christians and the instructions that he left for anybody who truely wants to follow him?

So you think quoting those scriptures means all things in the world are now for christians and it is what I say is unclean is what is unclean to a christian

Did you not also see that the apostle Paul whom you are quoting followed the example of his master in non-involvement in the political and military affairs of his day but rather soke and taught about the ONLY KINGDOM THAT GOD APPROVES ie of his son Jesus Christ, just as his master did

Actually il try and find time to leave my final thoughts on this topic

@TV01

I initially didnt want to get involved in this debate. I knew it would be time consuming and friutless and i didnot have much time to keep up with such a pointless debate for a long time. Some things are really clear it does not need blind argument so i gave up on it. The topic in itself is self explanatory. True Christians are those who follow the example and the instructions of Christ. So if Christ and the early Christians advoided the political and military realms of this world and Christ instructed that his true followers cannot have any part in such but have a primary commision to laud his kingdom, his true followers in the world have an obligation to do the same. Anybody that does otherwise really needs to re-examine themselves as to their professing to be christians. There really is no if, buts or maybe's in it. It is as clear as daylight

@hustler

First it was ZE Roberto now Emerson . WHAT IS WRONG WITH GALLIANI Emerson is old, slow as hell and fouls way too much. Barruso is 22 and looks much like becoming Essien. I dont mind getting Zambrotta even if he is above 30 but Emerson!!!!!!!!!!! .

Well the transfer season is just starting lets see. Hopefully we will get first option on Pato.

And hustler, are you signed on to any Milan Forums?

[color=#990000][/color][/b][b] WHERE IS TV01? MY GUY  HAS BEEN MISSING IN ACTION. I THOUGHT THAT AT A CERTAIN POINT HE WOULD COME BACK INTO THIS DEBATE. He brought me into this topic and left

Good for u Codec

At least you showed some class by giving congratulations to the champs. Respect for whom respect is due .

THE MIGHTY MILAN HAS ROARED ONCE AGAIN AND THEM OTHER BOYZ ARE LOOKING FOR COVER.

ANY HATERZ OUT THERE?

Yeah Rossoneri fans letz turn our attention to the summer and see who we need. We are going to win the Scudetto and the Champions league again next season.

We need four signings to make our squad invincible again.

1 Zambrotta, to replace Janku

2 A Central Midfielder with both creative and defensive qualities

3 Alex, to fight with Kaladze for Nesta's regular partner

4 A New Striker.

Then we would be unbeatable for the Forseeable future

@ Hustler are you still screaming form wednesday night People around me thought i needed help coz they just could not see any reason as to why somebody would be that estatic about soccer

Yeah, the Number one AC Milan Fan is back.

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Hey guys, what are the English press crying about? Theyve been shut the F-up by the MIGHTY MILAN.

Who said this game was boring. That comes from watching too much premiership. This was a tactical masterclass. Everybody  that knows a thing about football would simply observe what Benitez did to counter the technical players that Milan have, Kaka, Seedorf and Pirlo. They were always hassled. He had planed to exploit Milans percieved weakneses on the flanks but it didnt work well. Milan alternated the full backs when on the attack.

Very good match overall, not the best but still good. Too bad premiership lovers who see the ball knocked all over the place and from side to side and long balls do not appreciate tactical football. Too bad

I AM STILL ESTATIC OVER THE WIN


HATREZ CAN GO AND DIE

Meanwhile Forza Milan

The Old Trafford brigade has been shut the F up. I dislike the English press. Hyping pieces of shit as best players in the world. Yeah right.

Yesterday was a masterclass in near perfection. We thought the English press (and especially That Cock sucking Pundit Andy Gray, who dismissed the whole Milan team as Garbage) a lesson in how not to hype teams and players.

I wont even bother to rate players. The team was all good.

And for all you Premiership pundits, before you predict any European tie, try to watch other leagues.

Forza MIlan. We are wining it all this time.

Fellow Rossoneri, I can smell Glory in Athens already

c0dec:
f that.

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Hey Codec why are you such a sore loser. I expect you to be more classier than that .

I met a die hard Juventus fan and even though he hates Milan said this.

" I have love for Juve, respect for Milan and non for Inter. Milan are winners and have a champions mentality while Inter Merda are is a piece of scum"

Thats the spirit Codec . He had the balls to admit that Milan is Great. 11 European Cup/UCl Finals. Thats the highest of any club in the world!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! .

hustler:
From the Torino game yesterday i think CA will field Pippo ahead of Gila.

Pippo's prolific goal scoring record should come to our aid in Europe.

The problem is Maldini not being fit. Should Bonera start or Kaladze in the central defence?


I think Bonera's problem is the little experience he has had in Europe against the big teams.

He has had many decent games in Serie a this season to be fair to him.

Let us pray that Kaka avoids another yellow card sha.

I'm confident of a a win. The key is to slow Man u down with our possession game and try to find openings in what will be a weak back 4 they will most likely field on Wednesday.


Also, Oddo and Marek should probe more on the flanks and whip in the crosses. I think the problem in the last game was the threat of Ronaldo so sumone has to be covering for them.Ambrosini should get forward more to use his aerial ability.

The game shouldn't be about speed on our part but technique. We must avoid being nervous at set pieces like we have been all season.

Dida has to be challenged to produce his best. He has it in him.

Another UCL Final calls, i can smell it.

We also need our Ultras to get behind the team.

God will do it for us sha.


FORZA MILAN.

P.S The derby della capitale wasn't all that today. Decent chances but no goals.


@sage D

Dont u think we should loan Oliveira out next season I believe he can still improve. We need a central defender central midfielder too.

Do u think we can nick Ronaldinho??

First
he derby della capitale sucked big time today. The match was played at a walking pace. No 3-0 repeat

Well getting to our Team

Marek should torture whoever United Field on their right side of defense. I expect more from both Oddo and Marek. They didnt really put in any real troubling crosses. The last time they sat back and allowed United's full backs, especially Evra to attack them. They should put in their trademark whipping crosses and give the United back four a lot to think about with Super Pipo lurking around in the box. I expect United to pay much attention to and try and freeze out Kaka but with Super Pipo around, that would be at their own risk . Seedork would most likely be asked to be mobile and drift in the plamaker role.

Most people expect the match to be won by Kaka, but the real key to our winning this match is to play our possesion game and the most important player is going to be PIRLO. He was not to much involved in the first leg but if he stamps his authority in this Game, then Athens beckons. He needs to control the tempo of the Game

This summer though we should have to get a new central defender and and a central midfielder plus a striker (more of a forward).

Let us loan Oliviera out for a season and see if he would get his confidence back.


FELLOW ROSSONERI ATHENS BECKONS, GLORY BECKONS.

THIS MAY WE WOULD BE CROWNED EUROPEAN CHAMPIONS FOR THE 7TH TIME

FORZA ROSSONERI.

LET THEM MANURE COCKSUCKERS BRING IT TO THE SANSIRO. WE HAVE OUR PROBLEMS SHA BUT NOTHING. WE ARE MATCHING TO THE FINALS

I wish we could dress up Ronaldo in Ricardo NOGOliviera Jersy , then Man U will be in for it.

But bring it on sha.

Hope Rino is back 4 the tie. He is a warrior. Our loss was due to his absence. And hope Pirlo wakes up from his slumber. He hasnt been up to standard all season.

And for those that think that CR is the best player in the world, y'all have another think coming

Our Strikers are the biggest probs we have but nothing Sha. Its Milan all the way

Hugoboi:
Signs of a "not too good" coach

Tactics and techniques alone don't win games.Pair it up with pace,individual flair and aright attiude and u perform well

A youngster who prolly needs more time to mature!!

In your dreams!!

You are the dreamer.

MILAN MATCHING INTO THE FINALS

Omo men. We lost the midfield with the exit of Gattuso. He is Invaluable. But this match match showed we lack depth in the team

Gila is Poo

Brocchi Sucks balls

Bonera Sucks even more.

This is pathetic.

Ive just lost my appetite. arrggghhh.

If only we had a better striker than Gila. That guy never touched the ball for 83 mins.

Right now i feel

But anyways bring it on to the San Siro. The result is not too bad

Besides where is TV01

I used the example of Job and Pilate to show you that just because the bible says God grants authority, does not mean he approves of his true servants participating in it.

He granted or gave the devil the authority to try Job but that does not mean he would want any of his true servants to participate in such a plan (even though he granted the authority for the plan to go ahead)

He granted or gave Pilate the authority to execute Jesus but that did not mean in anyway that we would approve of his true worshipers participating in that process that He (God) gave the go ahead on.

I want you to answer these following questions with a yes or no answer (Honestly)

1 Where Jesus and his disciples involved in the political process of their day (rulership)?

2 Where they disobidient to the rulers in the regular laws (laws that did not conflict with God's instructions)?

Its clear that neutrality from politics in no way means disobidience to civil laws.

Besides the will of the nations are not in harmony with he will of God and his son Jesus. Ask me and il tell you why.

Il come back though and clarify you on the issue of the beasts and who they represent. There is no doubt on that issue

Yeah guy im still a lil busy. I just logged in here 4 a few mins. Il find time in this coming week to respond to your posts.

But we will need to finish with the politics thread b/4 we can step into defining the LovePeddler . Its all connected sha

And il like you to note that Neutrality in no way means disobidience. It will be self deceptive to think that. The first century Christians were neutral, but not disobidient unless it conflicted with God's command. Neutrality with regards to politics simply involves non participation in politics, the same way the first century christians.

And analyzing the text you quoted

1 Tim. 2:1-4
"I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth."

The same prayer for rulers is also to be extended to all men (regardless of what they do)

The point of the prayer is to "have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth."

How does this, nor Romans Chap 13:1 support Christian Participation in politics?

muyeskin:
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one of my friends just saw me on this page and remarked

"Is it not the same thing thats going to happen even after marriage? Is that not why most married men are running around coz they are tired of the same thing?, and these people that are saying it causes regrets, does sex after marriage that results in disappointment not cause regrets too?

I looked at him and was like WTF

And you said in every goverment that God appoints Christians are supposed to ,

If i might ask which one is the Govt that God appoints and which one does he not appoint

And How come when the bible talks about the destruction of Human rulers it talks about all of them?


Besides if the national rulers really had God's approval, why would he destroy them?


Il come back and Clarify you on the issue of the beasts and what they represent. I told you the discussion was actually more extensive than what i posted


AND YES THE CHURCH IS PART OF THE HARLOT (THOUGH NOT ALL OF THE HARLOT). Im feeling lazy now. Its almost 5am here.

Il come back and address this issues