₦airaland Forum

Amotolongbo:
That is if India doesn’t outsmart us like they did in that football match where we were defeated by 99 goals to 1.

CHoccolaTE:
Women also provide for children and take care of them.
Men are not the only ones providing


Infact in majority cases women are also providers in families

TAO11:
Even Igbos too?? Hehehe! God is wonderful.

Everyone somehow need Oduduwa to validate their culture. Who no like better thing?

Lots and lots of ignorance being pumped in here. Touching on only two of the misinformation here, viz. (1)Igbo-Ukwu bronzes and (2)The Ogane who resides in the “east”:

(1) The archaeologist who worked on the Igbo-Ukwu ‘bronzes’ was Professor Thurstan Shaw.

Due to his work in the years 1959-60, the Igbo-Ukwu ‘bronzes’ is still thought, among common folks, to pre-date the Ife ‘bronzes’. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Such assumptions among common folks are terribly mistaken because the early dates initially associated with the Igbo-Ukwu 'bronzes' are now regarding as misleading by experts — including Professor Thurstan Shaw himself.

At the minimum, the radio-carbon dates initially attributed to the Igbo-Ukwu ‘bronzes’ are now noted to be due to erroneous exaggeration, and are therefore not absolute, not final, and not conclusive.

To quote the words of Professor Thurstan Shaw himself in a later publication in relation to the Igbo-Ukwu artefacts, he sums up and concludes as follows:

“SUMMARY: In the discussion of the reliance which should be placed on the Igbo-Ukwu radiocarbon dates, it is necessary to make certain that what evidence we have is correctly used. The precise locations of the samples used for dating are recalled and possible sources of error discussed. Consideration is given to the arguments for a date later than that suggested by the radiocarbon dates, stemming from the state of preservation of the textiles, the character of the beads, the pottery evidence, analogies with the presumed dating of Ife and Benin, the quantity and the source of the copper, and what is known of pre-European trading patterns in West Africa. The latter is probably the most serious objection to a very early date, but the question will only be settled with the acquisition of more archaeological evidence.”

Reference: Thurstan Shaw, “Those Igbo-Ukwu Radiocarbon Dates: Facts, Fictions and Probabilities”, The Journal of African History, Vol. 16, No. 4, (1975), p.517.

Furthermore and in relation to the foregoing, I should clarify and caution that the phrase: the earliest date obtained from the dated Ife ‘bronzes‘ is not one and the same thing as the phrase: the earliest date possibly obtainable from any of the not-yet-dated Ife ‘bronzes’.

This foregoing clarification is of utmost relevance here because “much of the bronze/brass art of Ife has not been dated.” — S.A. Akintoye, “A History of the Yoruba People”, 2010, p.52.

Moreover, the bronze casting tradition of the Yorubas is not isolated or restricted to the Ife subgroup. Later finds in the course of the 1900s came to prove that the ancient bronze casting art also existed in other parts of Yorubaland such as: Owo, Obo-Aiyegunle (in Northern Ekiti), Ijebu-Ode, etc.
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(2) Talking about the Ogané of the early Portuguese account who is noted to be “the most powerful monarch” in our part of the world, and who lived in the “east”.

Despite the description of “east” in this account, I am still unaware of any historian (past or present) who identified this monarch as an Igbo king.

From the beginning of the twentieth century, scholars had no reason to doubt that this Ogane of the Portuguese account is none other than the Ooni of Ife.

(see e.g. Stoll 1902:161-166; Roth 1903:6n1; Marquart 1913:52; Talbot 1926:1:155-156, 281-282, 3:573; Schurhammer 1928:28-30; Bradbury 1964:151, Paula Marti 1960:63, Mauny 1961:182; Akinjogbin 1967:41-43; Law 1973:17-19; Willett 1973:137-138; Obayemi 1976:247; Horton 1979: ; Akintoye 2010:141-142; among others).

Historians have maintained for, well valid and factual reasons, that the description of “east” in the account is — rather than literal — of a religious significance.

The justification for this comes from the fact that every received detail about the Ogane in the account lines up perfectly only with the Ooni of Ife among all monarchs throughout the Gulf of Guinea.

Moreover, Ife is well-known among the ancient cultures of our region (at least west of the Niger River) by the religious epithet of: “the place from where the sun rises” — Ife Oodaiye, ibi ojumo tii mo wa.

(i) This ancient religious epithet of Ife as, the place of the rising sun remains well-known even till date by every typical Yoruba person.

(ii) This ancient religious epithet of Ife was also well-known in Benin Kingdom at least up to the 1920s.

This comes from the fact that Oba Eweka(II) informed visiting H.L. Ward-Price that every morning at dawn, he faces the rising sun while observing certain supplications to his great lord (Oghene) who lives in Ife.

(iv) This religious epithet of Ife is also found to be well-known in today’s Republic of Benin as Robin Horton’s citation of Maupoil, B’s “La Geomancie” 1943 publication shows below:

“Maupoil in his classic account of Dahomean religion, tells once more of a strong association of Ife with dawn and the east. He adds that although in this area the association is one that actually corresponds with geographical reality, in the minds of the people it is not so much a summary of geographical observation as a highly appropriate piece of symbolism. For Dahomeans, dawn and the east are in this context first and foremost symbols of certain admired attributes of Ife.”

(iv) This religious epithet of Ife was also recorded in by David Hinderer during his missionary visit to Ife in the 1850s. He wrote:

“Ife is famous as being the seat of idolatory; all the multiple idols of this part of the country are said to emanate from the town; from there the sun and moon rises where they are buried in the ground, and all people of this country and even white men sprung from this town”.
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In summary: Scholars have from the beginning identified this Ogane (Oghene) as the Ooni of Ife. The only notable exception to this identification used to be A.F.C. Ryder who in 1965 hypothesized the geographical north-eastern direction, rather than the geographical western direction of Ife.

Although as Elizabeth A. Isichei has confirmed, Ryder later abandoned this solitary and radical idea in his 1969 work entitled “Benin and the Europeans”.

In sum, every redoubtable scholar and historian of precolonial Nigeria today has no iota of doubt in identifying the Ogane of the Portuguese account as the Ooni of Ife.

See the attached screenshot from page 47 of Adam Knobler’s (2016) work for a very recent apt summary of this identification.

cc: LegendHero, Sammy07, winer900

babyfaceafrica:
Obaseki wants to take over from. Lie. Mohammed àbí? Deputy Governor chases them away... Is he a security agent? Yeyenatu.. Obaseki is as worse as Oshiomhole he is criticizing.

seunmsg:
What peculiarities are they talking about? Even ASUU with all their gragra were migrated to IPPIS so, who are these ones?

Whether you guys like it or not, we will all be on the IPPIS platform because we are all FG workers that draw salaries from CRF. There is no peculiarity that IPPIS cannot handle. The era of payroll fraud is over.

Gombe144:
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EastGold:
You wan eat am?

Igbochief001:
Lol u are quoting someone who is not a ward leader even

helinues:

Igbochief001:
Awolowo vs akintola
Obasanjo vs abiola
Obasanjo vs fayose
Obasanjo vs lodaja

Should I keep naming ?

helinues:

Ajibel:

Temitopemo6e6:
drinkin pami wit d gods

Temitopemo6e6:
Na only one tin i go miss for that Osun-Osogb tFestival.
Palm Wine

Broobembem:
These bandwagon apologists are just shameless.

Most of them on this thread didn't choose Laycon even in the first 1-2 week(s). They waited, checked on Twitter and Instagram to confirm the most talked broke relatable guy to support.

How many ladies have you seen supporting Laycon here? Na just broke rascals who can perfectly relate to Laycon's poor condition.

adekolaelect:
Don't mind them jooo

adekolaelect:
good for you as you return back to your previous claim when there is no more green light for you from the presidency position derogated to yourselves .pls I don't have more time to waste with you .we will tell Tinubu to influence more enabling environment in Lagos for you people proving to be masters in the slave yard of south west.

topboss:
ANOTHER PIECE OF TRASH WRITTEN FROM THEIR FACE ME, I FACE U, LAGOS IBADAN EXPRESE WAY GUTTER MEDIA AND THIRD WORLD NEWS.


SO MUCH RUBBISH EMANATING FROM ONE GROUP OF PEOPLE IN A COUNTRY.


YORUBA NEED TO GET OUT OF NIGERIA MEDIA SPACE, SO THIS COUNTRY CAN MOVE FORWARD.

flyingpig:
I honestly don't know why some media houses grant interviews to self-destructive and selfish groups; for example this one and miyetti allah group. Such people should not be given any figment of idea to feel they or their opinions are relevant. They should be boy-cotted in decision making. I know what I'm saying is not a feature of democracy but man these guys utter shìt and their faeces shouldn't be allowed to circulate in the air lest some simple minded folks join the bandwagon.

Anyiamaka:
That letter is nice. If you think it is wrong, then you are part of the problem with Nigeria

Kdon2:
I tire for them o. It won't stop them from coming back to kill more because they will surely be released once buhari intervenes.

Anyiamaka:
What is wrong in Obasanjo's condolence to Ogun people on the senator's death?