₦airaland Forum

Christistruth00:
IPOB have a secret Land grabbing agenda from Port Harcourt to Benue to Benin to Urhobo to Itsekiri to Lagos.
They always come up with Hilarious stories as to how others hertage are part of their ancestral Lands.

toluxe0075:
Na the clearer and better version be this.

Ajibade123:
wow you mumu gan o

id2019:
I'm from this community , this is emunekhua, emu in Esan South East, edo state, this road is a federal road as it leads to isielukwu , delta state. Its not a state government road, those blaming obaseki are ignorant

emrain:
Shut up. Crime pays better than anything you can think of. Assuming you know what ”crime” is.

motionarena:
Please Thank God for my life

ThisKing:
33

Fleshly:
To be honest, I've not seen a tribe in Nigeria as disorganized as the Yorubas. The greatest problem Tinubu has is coming from his people. Walahi, the only thread keeping the yorubas together is their envy towards the better South.

favor914:
$700, 000.00 ( only Seven Hundred Thousand Dollars)? they are just the scape goats, President Jonathan & his pdp kitchen cabinet are the real culprits, Mr stealing of public funds is not corruption? Same way incoming Governor POI is in Court over money given to him to campaign for Jonathan Goodluck in 2015 Which was later handed over to Late Mr Fix It, Anthony Anenih, How was Pastor Iyamu to know Jonathan stole the money? Efcc just chasing shadows.

CodeTemplar:
Even ritualist eat pop corn and watch cartoon after their evil. Conscience level is probably weak or dead.

seunmsg:

For those saying she didn't say she was going to kill Laycon.. Listen up!!

Erica: The only thing saving him right now is Big Brother, outside this house I will kill him.#bbnaija pic.twitter.com/I7TtmLZCj9

— Finger Chops🦋🐺 (@Fingerchops2) September 6, 2020

You still need more evidence?

Arrewa:
why always at the victim end?

TAO11:
Continuation 1:

They even what?

First of all, I know for sure you didn’t read all of the thirty-five-page article because you’ve made it clear more than once on many threads that you are dead-scared of reading.

But guess what, you didn’t even have to read all the pages in order to arrive — from same article — at the conclusion now reached by historians’ that Obalufon-Ogbgbodirin was one and the same personage as Ogun.

All you need do was apply yourself to “TABLE II” of your attachment which I have dumbed down for you to the simplest level of understanding possible.

To avoid being repetitive, refer [url=]HERE[/url] again to my detailed comment on this. Refer specifically to my fourth (4th) and fifth (5th) blocks of comments there for the relevant points.

Really!?

Let me adopt this same line of your 'argument' to see if it works in refuting your ‘argument’ here. Here you go:

I have argued on the Ife king-list before now. I even checked Wikipedia a few years back and Ogun was included on the list …. Lol

I guess it worked in debunking your ‘argument’, right? Nonsense and Obaseki!

You are one joke of a dullard who thinks he knows better than his teacher. I hope the Oba of Benin has now final granted you permission to wear clothes.

First of all, notice that you’ve now had a shift of position from when you first started off some days ago.

HERE you were found saying, and I quote, that: “Ogun nor fit kill benin person na we get am”; but now you obviously have dumped that position.

My job of schooling you seems to be yielding some fruit after all.

But despite now abandoning your initial position, you still appear to be hard-gripped by insecurity and inferiority to the extent of adopting the idea of we’re going down together.

Having said that, I have demonstrated without a shred of doubt that Ogun originated from the Yorubas. Refer [url=]HERE[/url] for a gentle reminder on that.

Refer specifically to my fifteenth (15th) and seventeenth (17th) blocks of comments there for the relevant points.

For the umpteenth time, the following are the decisive questions (and their respective answers) which you must genuinely ponder in order to arrive at a logical and definite conclusion regarding the indigenous origin of Ogun:

(1) Q: Is there any traditional Benin account about a Bini whose name is Ogun?

A: Yes, there is probably one such account to the effect that Ewuare I’s pre-coronation name was “Ogun”.

And Ewuare I is noted by contemporary historical estimation to have flourished circa the mid/late-1400s.

(2) Q: Is there any traditional Yoruba account about a Yoruba whose name is Ogun?

A: Yes there is certainly more than one such account about different Yoruba personages by the name “Ogun”.

Refer specifically to my fifth (5th) block of comment found at [url=]THIS LINK[/url] for one of such accounts.

And the Ogun of this specific account is noted by contemporary historical estimation to have flourished circa the mid/late-1000s.

(3) Q: Does the word “ogun” (when broken down into its component parts) literally have a meaning from the Edo language?

A: Absolutely no! I’m glad you’ve also conceded this more than once on this same thread.

(4) Q: Does the word “ogun” (when broken down into its component parts) literally have a meaning from the Yoruba language?

A: Absolutely yes! The word “ogun” breaks down into its two syllables, viz. “ò” and “gún”.

“Gún” is the Yoruba equivalent of the verb: “even”, “level”, “balance”, “stabilize”, etc.

The preceding “ò” describes the subject who performs the “gún” action.

An everyday example of this is seen in the Yoruba word “òkpùró” which literally means “one who lies” (i.e. “liar”) — where “kpuro” is the verb: “lie”.

“Ògún” then, as has just been demonstrated, is purely a Yoruba word which literally means “the one who evens”, “the one who stabilizes”, etc..

This meaning, moreover, is in perfect harmony with Ogun’s cosmogonical/liturgical attribute as the one who clears pathways, as well as the one who set the earth into a habitable mode prior to (and in preparation for) human habitation.

In sum:
The deity Ogun is indigenous to the Yorubas and not the Binis for (at least) two valid reasons:

(1) Per Yoruba accounts (in relation to Benin accounts) the original bearer(s) of the name “Ogun” among the Yorubas flourished at least four (4) centuries prior to the emergence of a supposed bearer of the same name among the Binis.

(2) The word “ogun” is literally meaningless in the Edo language.

However, not only is it literally meaningful in the Yoruba language, its meaning is also consistent with the cosmogonical/liturgical attribute of the deity who bears the name.

Per the bolded, I am glad you’ve lately began to sound less reckless. This shows that my effort at educating you is not wasted after all.

But to respond quickly to your remark on “ventures into yorubas”, it appears you refer here to your usual ignorant remark to the effect that Benin ruled certain Yoruba territories.

A quick refutation to this lies in the fact that all the accounts which discuss this are based on one-sided traditions emanating originally from the Binis.

The only exception where such accounts is unambiguously two-sided is among the Itsekiri-Yoruba subgroup who in the late-1400s accepted the Benin prince Iginuwa to be their king.

Among the reasons cited by historians for this smooth transition is that the Itsekiri stock and the royal party from Benin considered each other as belonging to the same ethno-lingustic group — the Yoruba group.

In relation to this, the Isoko-born Professor Obaro Ikime noted that “The Benin court may have been bilingual for some time after the coming of the Ife prince (that is Oranmiyan) and … therefore the royal party from Benin may have spoken Yoruba as well as Edo.”*

* Obaro Ikime: “The Peoples and Kingdoms of the Delta Province,” in Ikime, ed.: Groundwork of Nigerian History, 89 – 108.

In actual fact, the eyewitness written testimony of the visiting French Father Columbin of Nantes states that the lingua-franca of Benin kingdom (in the 1600s when he visited) was the language of the Lukumi (i.e. Yoruba) people.

Moreover, the royal title in foreign kingdoms whose affairs are truly ruled by the Benin kingdom is always one of the following: “Ogie”, “Ogiame”, “Enogie”, “Onojie”, “Ovie”, “Orodje”, etc.

None of these royal titles was ever used in any of the Yoruba kingdoms often irrationally claimed by the Binis today, with the exception of course of the Ode-Itsekiri Yoruba kingdom.

cc: LegendHero, BabaRamota1980, macof

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Carmal90:
I messaged you.

alfaHaywhy:
E no much sha

edorhe14:
Obaseki is winning the election by a landslide.

Agugbadin:
My advice to international business men and women coming to Nigeria for business should be extremely careful, because too many hawks out here in Nigeria who want to reap where did not saw .

Hauptmann:
The day I saw the back of this beatiful truck, I instantly knew it was a CKD unit from one of the numerous chinese auto manufacturers, very similar to Innoson.

It is a rebadged Huanghai N3A chinese truck, not manufactured in Nigeria.

Takes nothing away from the truck though. We all have to start from somewhere.

obonujoker:
How is Trump a murderer or a killer??

EdCure:
That child is about to kill that helpless baby if no one was watching, and you find it funny? That's a very disturbing pic.

It is easy to know what some of you are capable of doing by the kind of meme you post.

...By their fruit you shall know them.

Fuckingmallam45:
I don’t understand the extent of this thread anyway