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achorladey:
Its evident you are on nairaland to claim medals such as gold, platinum and silver e.t.c peacefullove asked you a particular question earlier on this thread have you provided the answer, abi no be the same saintmark88? Hmmmmmmmm if you are not here solely to claim medals, you should have asked yourself who was Paul referring to and who made the statement ''thou art my son, and I will become to him a Father''? In verse 9 you didn't see therefore God, thy God has anointed thee. Who is the ''thy God'', and who is ''thee''? Please specify with Jesus only, you are not allowed to use the name Jehovah here, and do not forget Jesus is God.

All this one u r saying is shambala.......ansa my question.
But to thy son he says........Thy throne, O God...... Who was been referred to as O God??.....ansa this one first

JMAN05:
Where have your eyes been? Aren't you seeing anything? Check the bold faced words.

2. I ask in return; who is the God that inspired the prophets? What is his name? 1sam 3:21; jer 37:6; psalm 83:18

Reply to the other post pls

I wi.reply to ur every post but one at a time??

U have not answered to mine......I asked u who promised to return, or come again??

JMAN05:
Where have your eyes been? Aren't you seeing anything? Check the bold faced words.

2. I ask in return; who is the God that inspired the prophets? What is his name? 1sam 3:21; jer 37:6; psalm 83:18

Reply to the other post pls

All.these ones ur asking me.doesn't make sense......I asked u a simple question who is he that is to.come??

JMAN05:
Maybe you didn't take time to analyse my previous reply, if you did, you wouldn't ask this question. Let me quote what I gave you above.

Rev 22:6,7

6 He said to me: “These words are faithful and true; yes, Jehovah, the God who inspired the prophets, has sent his angel to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. 7 Look! I am coming quickly. Happy is anyone observing the words of the prophecy of this scroll.”




Read down to verse 9;

Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows

Who was anointed, and whose God is being referred to here, Jesus' God or Jehovah's God?

2. Can God have a God?

Rev 22:6
NIV
The angel said to me, “These words are trustworthy and true. The Lord, the God who inspires the prophets, sent his angel to show his servants the things that must soon take place.”

NLT
Then the angel said to me, “Everything you have heard and seen is trustworthy and true. The Lord God, who inspires his prophets,b has sent his angel to tell his servants what will happen soon.

ESV
And he said to me, “These words are trustworthy and true. And the Lord, the God of the spirits of the prophets, has sent his angel to show his servants what must soon take place.”

KJV
And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.

7Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.

These ones are enough....oga were did u get the one u quoted up there
6 He said to me: “These words are faithful and true; yes, Jehovah, the God who inspired the prophets, has sent his angel to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. 7 Look! I am coming quickly. Happy is anyone observing the words of the prophecy of this scroll.”

At highlighted pls were did u get that....what translation.

After u answwr that pls tell me .....who promised to come back to earth.....Jehova or Jesus??

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JMAN05:
Maybe you didn't take time to analyse my previous reply, if you did, you wouldn't ask this question. Let me quote what I gave you above.

Rev 22:6,7

6 He said to me: “These words are faithful and true; yes, Jehovah, the God who inspired the prophets, has sent his angel to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. 7 Look! I am coming quickly. Happy is anyone observing the words of the prophecy of this scroll.”




Read down to verse 9;

Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows

Who was anointed, and whose God is being referred to here, Jesus' God or Jehovah's God?

2. Can God have a God?

Jesus these evil sect went to temper with scripture...I will expose u pple??

JMAN05:
The prophesy in Revelation was given by God. Rev 1:1.

So, at times the angel will be the one speaking, while on another occasion it would be either God or Jesus that the his message is being reported. If we check the statement at Rev 21:6,7 and chapter 22:6,7. Then it is clear that God was the one speaking, while in verse 16, Jesus began his own.

Is that the excuse ur elders gave u.....my friend read for urself and discover the truth....let's look at 12, which clearly shows who was speaking

Rev 22:12. 12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

Who is to come quickly and give reward to everyman according as his work shall be??


After that pls ansa this


Heb chapter 1vs 5-9

For to what angel did God ever say,

“Thou art my Son,
today I have begotten thee”?
Or again,

“I will be to him a father,
and he shall be to me a son”?
6 And again, when he brings the first-born into the world, he says,

“Let all God’s angels worship him.”
7 Of the angels he says,

“Who makes his angels winds,
and his servants flames of fire.”
8 But of the Son he says,

“Thy throne, O God,[b] is for ever and ever,
the righteous scepter is the scepter of thy[c] kingdom.
9 Thou hast loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
therefore God, thy God, has anointed thee
with the oil of gladness beyond thy comrades.”

Who is been referred to as thy throne O God??....who is speaking here Jehova or Jesus??

nkembaby008:
haha! Tell me about it, for people that claim to be bible teachers, it's so easy for them to run away from simple questions that make them use their brains. They just rely on what the elders tell them and believe blindly

Don't mind him, he said Jesus is not God. So I said okay, took him to Isaiah were d Lord said I am the Alpha and The Omega, d Beginning and the End. I asked him who made this statement, he replied and said that is Jehova and only Jehova is Alpha and Omega. I said good....God don catch u on top this ur lie.

I now pasted rev 22 :13 were Christ said " I am the Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End"...den I asked him, who made this statement??.....the dude recognizing he has FD up ran away

Heb chapter 1vs 5-9

For to what angel did God ever say,

“Thou art my Son,
today I have begotten thee”?
Or again,

“I will be to him a father,
and he shall be to me a son”?
6 And again, when he brings the first-born into the world, he says,

“Let all God’s angels worship him.”
7 Of the angels he says,

“Who makes his angels winds,
and his servants flames of fire.”
8 But of the Son he says,

“Thy throne, O God,[b] is for ever and ever,
the righteous scepter is the scepter of thy[c] kingdom.
9 Thou hast loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
therefore God, thy God, has anointed thee
with the oil of gladness beyond thy comrades.”

Pls take note of verses 8.......But of the son he says......Thy throne, "O God"......here we see the Father address Jesus as God....and one yeye JW come and tell me Jesus is not God....y did thy run away??......pls come and respond to this o.

Look at verse9 really closely

nkembaby008:
. It's mind-boggling how they pick and choose what to answer and run away when it suits them or in the case of atoleybaba, argue blindly and add cheap insults.

Leave that one, he is talking nonsense

atoleybaba:
how many translations av u read 1st of all. Again y don't u sit with d witnesses let dem show u diff bible translation so u can see ur ignorance.

I have sat with ur likes and disgraced dem, ur oda fellow here ran away wen I pinned him down on his own lies

This is way too much sha....beating should be done with sense. But some children can end someone crazy...that how someone was telling me how her mum sent her younger to go get something around 5pm, she was supposed to get the stuff just a street away....this girl went, by 7pm she wasn't back, they all became worried and started looking for her, 8pm she wasn't back..the mum was already crying, blaming herself for sending her on the errand... Only around 9pm for this girl to stroll in and say she quickly went to her friends place but rain help her up.......if na ur daughter do u that one, will u not be mad!!!!!!...............but not this mad sha

nkembaby008:
okay, you said they know why I raise an objection and they know what other religions teach. There are 4,200 religions in the world, how has your church managed to learn about all of them to know their doctrines are wrong? I asked a few questions earlier to 2 of your members in the threads above but none has replied me, so I'll ask you.

1) Why have more than 20 scriptures been removed from the newest edition of your bible? They've been there in your other editions and in other bibles.
2) You agree that blood is a symbol/representation of life, so why would you give up your life to honour a symbol? Why is the symbol of life more important than the life itself?
3) If taking blood pollutes the body, how would you interpret Matthew 15:11 or Mark 7:15-16?

Dnt mind these guys oh....I have choked one up on his lies and he ran away...I pray he comes back so we will c how he will twist himself into anoda corner

Olifiz:
Jehovah made the statement about himself being the one redeeming Israel n he being the God of armies.... he is their first and their last. And there is no Other God except him. I’m sure u are aware that Jehovah or God or Lord (being a title) was being ascribed for God during the days of the Israelites. God of Israel or Jehovah of Israel, or Lord of Israel. Just know that Lord is a title not a name. God have been the redeemer of the Israelites since Egypt

Did u run away??....come and get choked up on ur lies.....pls answer who made the statement in Rev 22:13 and Rev 1:8??

Olifiz:
Do u believe the word Lord is a title, if u are married ur wife can call u lord does She mean u are God.... Jesus being in Gods form means they are both in spirit form. So u mean the angels too are God since they are also in Gods form as spirits. U read clearly where the Bible says even tho Jesus was in Gods form he didn’t take it to himself to be equal to him n u are here still saying they are equal. If u have a son and both of u have lived together for long n understood each other n he understand u and having the same goals can’t I say u n ur son are one does that mean u and ur son are equal and the same? Just believe the Bible or word of God have no contradictions

Thomas didn't just say My Lord, he said My Lord and my God.

In the bible the Title Lord in all instances was used to refer to God. So how come its only wen Thomas refers to Jesus as his Lord and God that it is now just a title that doesn't mean God??

Now bfre I drop this ur rotten analysis... Lemme ask u for one thing...
Show me were the Title Lord "with the capital letter" didn't refer to God......and pls dnt tell me that in ur Bible, lord not Lord....through out the whole bible, old to new testament??

Olifiz:
Jehovah made the statement about himself being the one redeeming Israel n he being the God of armies.... he is their first and their last. And there is no Other God except him. I’m sure u are aware that Jehovah or God or Lord (being a title) was being ascribed for God during the days of the Israelites. God of Israel or Jehovah of Israel, or Lord of Israel. Just know that Lord is a title not a name. God have been the redeemer of the Israelites since Egypt

Good!!!!.....you have said that the First and the Last, the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the End is JEHOVA.

Now Rev 22:13. "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.".....who made this statement??

Olifiz:
Jesus is not God he is the Son of God.... there’s is a difference between mighty and Almighty? Pls read well. They are not equal ooooo. How can u be saying mighty and Almighty are the same. Haba.

Isaiah 44:6
"Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: 'I am the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me.

Who made this statement......Jehova or Jesus??

Olifiz:
Jesus is not God o. Jesus is the son of God.. there’s is a father, God and Jesus is he’s son. They are two different entities and they are not equal as stated at Philippians 2:5-6. There the Bible said we should the same mental attitude that was in Jesus that even tho he was in Gods form (he’s fathers form) he gave no consideration to a siezure that he was equal to he’s father. Do you know that the word trinity which means a triad god head didn’t start as a doctrine with Christianity. In Babylon den they worship trinitarian triad god heads....the fundamental thing is that the doctrine have its roots from pagan (pls make ur research well) Jesus didn’t teach trinity he never said he was equal to God he even said he’s father God is greater than he is... so why will people now say God is the father, the same God is the son and the same God is the Holy Spirit. If it’s like that then Jesus was contradicting himself. Places where the Bible made mention of the three entities doesn’t mean they are the same. If u are to go thru Christ during prayer to reach God doesn’t mean they are equal it just mean Jesus is the mediator btw man and God. Mathew 28:19 says go therefore n make disciples of all the nation baptizing them in the name of the father of the son and of the Holy Spirit doesn’t outrightly make them equal in position, physical or in form etc. if the are equal n the same Jesus who have lived with God for so long would have known he is equal n the same to God and won’t come on earth to say God is greater than him. He would outrightly say he and his father are the same or equal. Now check Colossians 1:15-16 Jesus was said to be the firstborn of all creation n thru him every other thing was made n for him.

One simple question.....why did Thomas refer to Jesus as My Lord and My God??....

Y did elizabeth refer to Mary as the mother of my Lord??

After answering those two, answer this one.....how can one b in d form of the Father if he himself isn't God??

Mind trinitarian teaching doesn't say the same God is the Father, Son and Spirit....that's the interpretation you and ur sect decided to give it, in order to make urselves feel.right.

Nobody is saying the Father isn't than Jesus...after all Jesus himselve said so.

He said I and the Father are one and went further to say but the Father is greater than I......but that is not the ish here

U said Jesus is not God....but Thomas said My Lord and My God referring to Jesus....Jesus didn't rebuke him....can u explain that??

natsuflame:
if no one joins the army then there would be no wars.

Rubbish is the army or the force only for fighting wars....even great men like David had armies and were part of armies......what of armed robbers, kidnappers...if ders no one in d force den who will combat these kinds.......

We can see the kind of evil world these pple want for us

Olifiz:
Jesus can never in anyway be equal to God whether in nature or physically or in authority. They are two different entity. The Bible represent Jesus as mighty and God as Almiggty also see Philippians 2:5-8. Jesus is not God n can never be equal to God. Even God have to exault him. U can only tell me they have a common goal n that’s to the sanctification and glorification of he’s fathers name God. The word trinity in itself can’t be found in the Bible which means the triad God, it’s a doctrines that originates with pagan as far back as wen King Namaan..... Even Jesus and the apostles didn’t preach trinity. Christians are to follow Jesus steps closely.

Oh I believed they did...they often spoke about The Father , the Son Jesus and even of the Holy Spirit.............I asked again is Jesus God??

Olifiz:
Jesus can never in anyway be equal to God whether in nature or physically or in authority. They are two different entity. The Bible represent Jesus as mighty and God as Almiggty also see Philippians 2:5-8. Jesus is not God n can never be equal to God. Even God have to exault him. U can only tell me they have a common goal n that’s to the sanctification and glorification of he’s fathers name God. The word trinity in itself can’t be found in the Bible which means the triad God, it’s a doctrines that originates with pagan as far back as wen King Namaan..... Even Jesus and the apostles didn’t preach trinity. Christians are to follow Jesus steps closely.

U just said the Jesus is referred to as mighty God.....so lemme ask u is Jesus God??

atoleybaba:
what version did u read? Why don't u take d real script DT was written in Hebrew so u can really know what john 1: 1 is...... And stop arguing what u don't know

I see Jws knows it more than any other denomination..you have the best translators abi??.....so the real translation of the bible didn't come until one American con man formed JWs in what century again??...so all those who lived bfre that century had a wrong translation of the bible....think man??....u have been brainwashed.....open ur eyes bfre its too late.... Heresy is a terrible sin

Olifiz:
Jesus can never in anyway be equal to God whether in nature or physically or in authority. They are two different entity. The Bible represent Jesus as mighty and God as Almiggty also see Philippians 2:5-8. Jesus is not God n can never be equal to God. Even God have to exault him. U can only tell me they have a common goal n that’s to the sanctification and glorification of he’s fathers name God. The word trinity in itself can’t be found in the Bible which means the triad God, it’s a doctrines that originates with pagan as far back as wen King Namaan..... Even Jesus and the apostles didn’t preach trinity. Christians are to follow Jesus steps closely.

The word doesn't have to be on the bible......in baptism the name of the Father, Son and Spirit is used....that signifies the trinity.

"Who, existing in the form of God, did not consider equality with God something to cling to"..........existing in the form of God.....what does that mean

atoleybaba:
what is brainwashing? What do u even understand by d word brainwashing? U better sit down let jw explain d Bible for u so u can be safe. Werrin I go tell u no go pass this one.

Explain ur adulterated bible......d one u pple have tampered with to suit ur false teaching and heresy.

In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. This people had the effrontery to change it to the Word was "a god"........no wonder Russia is dealing with them........heretics, false teachers......anti Christ. In Russia they have been tagged a terrorist sect. I will rather listen to a Muslim than a JW

Have a friend who will argue and defend this occultic doctrine, could even spill her blood for it.....her eyes were later opened to the truth....she left, her elder bro is still a JW, do u know that today she n her bro are not close at all nymore ....because she left the church......unfortunate man

softG:
This is a religious issue rather than a medical one. Both the Old and New Testaments clearly command us to abstain from blood. (Genesis 9:4; Leviticus 17:10; Deuteronomy 12:23; Acts 15:28, 29 ) Also, God views blood as representing life. (Leviticus 17:14 ) So we avoid taking blood not only in obedience to God but also out of respect for him as the Giver of life.
https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/jehovahs-witnesses-why-no-blood-transfusions/

But then y do u take the blood of his son shed for u and I......y not obey ur crooked interpretation and reject that

DavidEsq:
Wen u say their by nature, mean each of dem is a God right?

Yeah, just as we r all human beings equal in nature, not equal in terms of authority and responsibility.....u

JW dnt believe n Jesus, they equate him with angel Michael, even call him an Angel, they dnt believe n hell, they dnt believe n spirit, dnt do blood transfusion.m, consider true believers in Jesus Christ, unbelievers, will never pray with u because they see u as condenmed , lost. That s a secret cult......

DavidEsq:
From ur argument, u equated a dying person in need of blood with the rest of the living world for whom Christ died.
So wen we give or receive blood, according to u, it's equivalent to Christ sacrificing his life for us?
From wat I understand, giving of blood is necessary to save a dying person or a person who wld die if not given blood.
Since we are already alive (which is different from the dying person), why wld Christ need to sacrifice his life for us. In ur argument, u left out the dead who died before christ but who are also entitled to the benefit of Christ's death.
Christ death has nothing to do with preserving our physical lives, but our spiritual relationship with God.
Giving blood has no correlation with the symbol of christ's death, pls. Rom 5:18

Again I said blood =life.....Christ shed his blood for u....even asked u to drink his blood......

"From wat I understand, giving of blood is necessary to save a dying person or a person who wld die if not given blood. "...... So u understand this..,so y is it church against it n all entirety.....

DavidEsq:
Pls God is not a mystery. See Isaiah 2:2-4.
It's correct that we have 3 beings and one God but they are not equal. John 14:28

Yeah he is.....as the heaven is far from the earth so r his ways far from our ways......understanding God, his ways in entirety, esp as it regards 3=1 is practically impossible, cos human understanding cannot comprehend

Well I know that by nature they are equal, by authority they aren't.

Amneron, Analice, oladegbu pls leave Muslims alone...what kind of people r u....u criticize catholics, cricize jw, cele, latter day saint, now Muslims.......what is ur problem...can't u live without criticizing other peoples belief, if u don't stop this den that thing ur looking for u will find it o...be careful

saintmark88:
Didn't u say life =blood.....if u change mouth der....abi u won change mouth....oya everybody watch this guy twist it again.....Christ shed his blood for u to have life....and u say sacrificing ur blood for another to have life is a sin??

Guy respond now.....m sure he is foaming from the mouth der....no reply.....my people shey una don c, I don xpose this their false teachings

Peacefullove:
Lying machine, u said it here


"In terms of authority God the Father is greater than the son and the son is greater than the Holy spirit.
...but by nature they r all God...."


http://googleweblight.com/i?u=https://www.nairaland.com/3793815/how-one-witness-jehovahs-witness/14%2358315656&hl=en-NG&tg=211&tk=GJs2mSy1rgVSPCzs#a.58315656

Oya deny now ...


are u now ready to prove it ?



*** I need reference for the First statement u made too, waiting!!!

Well if I said it, which I cannot remember, I was wrong on that statement