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TechGeek777:
Please guys which of the below product do you think is suspicious considering the prices?

1. Luminous Tubular Battery - 150AH/12V = 90,000

2. PROMO OFFER: Luminous 220ah/12v Tubular Battery = 105,000.00

3. Luminous 220ah/12v Tubular Battery = 127,000

Note: This is same product from same seller in no (2) above

4. BATTERY 150AH/12V WET CELL LUMINOUS = 142,500

5. Luminous Wet Cell Tubular Battery-150AH/12V = 145,000.00

zeestone99:
When people complain of failures of equipment I just laugh. You cannot eat your cake and have it. Many will come request for quotes and will tell you it's too expensive, next thing they will get something cheaper(mostly from people that cannot offer after sale technical service) that works for a while and then pack up. I will say this again, solar power is not cheap. We already addressed this in previous threads.
2 to 3 pages back, someone just bought sunfit batteries, some will buy that stupid yohako controller etc and that's because it's cheap. Many users here just want to eat their cake and have it. If it's too cheap just run.

earthrealm:
Cc samnaija.

Any tubular battery that requires topping up once a month is either being charged poorly, with less than 14.3v or isnt carrying any serious load or isnt being cycled regularly...ie rarely goes above 20% DOD,.....2 to 4x a year is normal topping regime.

Too frequent topping like once a month accompanied with battery getting hot to touch is a sign of a dying battery

FEGEITOK:
Here is my experience, I have decided not to share the name of the vendor, not that with a little bit of digging and adding 2 to 2, the vendor cannot be identified.

I contacted one of the most prolific advertisers of solar panels, inverters and batteries on nairaland.

I was given pricing.

I then delayed in concluding the deal.

In the meantime, the advertiser reached out to me a few times to inquire about the deal. I did not respond.

When I was finally ready to deal, I sent the advertiser messages, but the messages were not delivered.

I conducted some tests that revealed the advertiser had blocked me.

I smiled.

I then said what nonsense!

In my line of business, clients and potential clients can ask for quotes and only buy 9 or 10 months later or even a year or more after, I never ever think of blocking them because they did not buy right away or did not respond to requests for the status of the potential order.

I then started looking for those who sell the same thing locally ( I am based in Abuja, the advertiser is based in Lagos).

I found one, but he said he didn't have it in stock, but pricing was perfect. I told him oh great.

Will buy next week.

I went to his office around 4pm and he complained that the equipment isn't in his store, that it is in the warehouse, and that it would take some time to get it, I said I would wait, he said its late that I should come back on Monday if my memory serves me right.

I sort of got the vibe that this guy does not have the equipment and is sourcing it from third parties.

So, I then started doing the same thing he did, went to the vendor site, got the list of authorized dealers, worked the numbers until I got the guy whose bread and butter is inverters, batteries and solar panels.

I ended up getting it cheaper than the cost of buying it from Lagos, and without the need to pay for shipping from Lagos.

If I wanted to buy from anyone, I would buy from those who have contributed immense intellectual capacity to this thread.

Why should I buy from someone who is only interested in come and buy from me, but when the potential buyers are asking questions, they don't answer.

It is pretty obvious, who is in it for the money and who is in it because they love the field.

If I wanted to do something this technical, I would get the vendor training and certification to back me up, any other thing, it is clear this is a way of making money and not something those advertisers do because they love the field, in fact, they will drop ship as soon as they can catch the scent of the next big thing that can bring money.

FEGEITOK:
Don't know it is because of the weather up north, but my brother uses Tubular batteries and has had to refill more than once in a year.

Ferdiwar:
Good morning all,
Please I am planning to go green and need your input on which is a better option between flooded and AGM/SMF batteries as I plan on getting it.

With the proper maintenance (battery rotation, equalization, etc) which amongst the 2 will last longer (I can't currently afford to get a new 24v lithium bank).

Proposed set up.
1. 1.5kva 24v luminous hybrid inverter
2. 4x 350W panels
3. 60A Techfine or Powmr MPPT CC
4. 24V 200AH to 305AH battery bank.

Any other other advice will be very much appreciated

Thank you

isangjohnson:
Please, maximum of how many months can one mix old LA batteries with the new one?
I know the battery must come from the same manufacturer and must also be the same amps.

ojeysky:
Those who talked about lithium are also users(end or middle or high ), I still bought lead acid last month for setup somewhere but do not take it personal when people state the obvious superiority of lithium over lead acid.....

This thread is here to state our experiences and advice but ultimate decision rest with individual so tagging everyone that prefers lithium over lead acid as marker or seller could mislead users.
That said, I actually wish actual marketers on this thread actually share their experience when people ask questions

GeorgeD1:
there's really no need for name-calling here, i think.
you have to remember that we are all here for one purpose - energy freedom (or so i think)
what myself, samnaija and others are trying to tell up and coming solar enthusiasts is that you know what?
before lithium came onboard, there was lead acid. you don't have to be straight-jacketed into one type of battery chemistry.
you have options.
for all the draw backs of lead acid, namely:
1) it occupies space - not everyone is space constrained (many aspiring renewables enthusiasts might be living in their own
houses, so space is not an issue for them)
2) it is heavier and not easy to carry - again that may not be a deal breaker for many as long as they don't live a nomadic life.
battery banks are not meant to be moved about once they're installed. even the usual battery rotation is done every 12 or 24
months in some instances.
3) the energy density is lesser than lithium - while this may be true, except you plan to use your battery bank to run an
electric vehicle which has a high current draw, this shouldn't be a problem. if your sole aim is to run your house loads, i doubt
there's any domestic appliance that would require such high current draw which your lead acid cannot cope with.
4) dod of 50 (for lead acid) as against 80 or 90 percent (for lithium) - this also is not a challenge for many as proper battery
bank sizing easily takes care of this.
5) it has shorter life span compared to lithium - while this may be true, we have had lead acid banks lasting way beyond their
projected end of service life with proper system sizing and good maintenance practice. my 2v single cell batteries are projected
to last 15yrs by the oem. even if i'm able to get just 10yrs out of them at the end of the day, it would be a major step forward
for lead.

besides all the above, what we would like the newcomers to understand is that despite the much acclaimed drop in price of
lithium compared to lead acid, on a price per watt basis, lead acid is still a cheaper option.
so, if a person who is contemplating going solar is reading all this and all he is seeing is lithium, lithium and he goes to check
the cost of buying a lithium pack, and then throws in the cost of purchasing an appropriate sized bms with all other bells and
whistles, he gets discouraged and walks away thinking, "you know what, solar is too expensive".

over ten years ago, when we started this thread, we were all grateful for the opportunity to learn by building our systems
from scratch using simple, tried and tested methods. they were cheaper but they got the job done. we want newbies to be
given such opportunities too. they don't have to be teleguided into a particular method or battery chemistry. let them try for
themselves and see what works and what does not. that's the beauty of diy and that is overriding aim of this thread.

if we all are objective in our submissions, there would be no need for name calling. and, if we all are able to achieve our
ultimate goal of energy freedom, it would be a win-win for us all.

break the myth! you know you can!!

dollarnaira:
What u actually need is what i don't understand. What do u need?
All of a sudden?
After replying almost all ur post, I got banned for 24hrs. Wetin u dey find gan gan? Tell me biko. If d several replies still don't get u satisfied....hmmmm. Chai

Probably u felt everyone here sells lithium battery abi?

adrusa:
Actually, this question of 5 years is a fake question. You are asking knowing fully well that Lithium for solar became practicable/affordable only about 3 or so years ago, especially in Nigeria. However, if you are asking for experience with lithium batteries in general, then the answer is yes, even you are likely to have used lithium battery for more than 5 years.

adrusa:
At this time, lithium battery will still be at about 53V at least.

One thing people don't fully appreciate in lithium chemistry is the improved charging efficiency. Lithium charging efficiency can be as high as 95% or more compared to about 80/85% for lead acid. So, you waste less solar power to charge your lithium batteries and on poor solar days you fill your battery more quickly.

Lithium is just superior to lead acid in every way, people saying otherwise are just being purely dishonest or poorly informed.

GeorgeD1:
next day instantaneous power captured after noon.

i'm glad battery temperature remained cool at 31 degrees
even with 166a being pumped into its belly

dollarnaira:
Yes ur system is firing but wat most are telling is dat, with lithium u will not pamper it like lead acid of 50% DOD ( na d annoying part b dat bro). So ur 500amp is just 250amp hope u know dat? Lets say it will last u 5yrs den it will die abruptly ( another annoying part).

But with lithium, after years of usage, plus several recycling it will depreciate to 80%. Which means u will just lose 20% after say '5 yrs'( assuming ni o). The battery go still dey fire. SO IF U ARE COOL WITH LEAD AT DIS STAGE, IMAGINE D UTMOST FIRING WITH LITHIUM. So, na dis last point we dey try tell u. Enjoy ur lead and let me enjoy my lithium in peace without thinking of replacement after several years of usage.

N.B Lithium titanate is out as d newest tech of lifespan of over 50yrs. This should tell u dat it is a lithium upgrade not lead acid upgrade.

ACID AND LITHIUM NO BE MATE.

dollarnaira:
I agreed with different forms of lead acid but na still acid dey inside and u must float dem sha ni.

Mind u, u can buy d above,use it,and give us reviews rather dan waiting for one person to do d job.

I have used all d 3 forms mentioned above without waiting for someone else's reviews. Remember too that review is relative to how the user uses and charges his batteries hence, different lifespan.

I am currently using LifePO4 and lithium ion even without bms installed bc i am d bms . It is my choice rembr.

Advice: BUY WAT IS COOL FOR YOU.

As for me, I would rather buy a used lithium ion dan d best lead acid.

NA UNTIL U TASTE STH B4 U GO KNOW HOW FAR.

dollarnaira:
@samninja

I hardly call ppu out sha

2v 10000000000000amp and 12v 100amp are all lead acids batteries. Same chemistry irrespective of volt or amp size.

At 12v at a considerable amount of amp it will take several hours to full charge it. Most times wat killed dem in d long run is undercharging....bc they are very huge. Now imagine u being a heavy user.

Banks can charge dem bc dey have other means of charging dem.

As for me, too heavy, takes space

I must not be a marketer to create time to input my inputs. Na just knowledge we dey find so appreciate ppu's input biko.

I dumped lead acids for lithium ( lithium ion and LifePO4).

samnaija:
No ,someone asked about 2v 500 ah batteries simple. The lithium sales men started their pitch immediately.

It's like me I have not used lithium, so I cant pitch in on talks about lithium. No experience.

Have you used the 2v 500 ah before. Any experience in it . Then talk about it .

ojeysky:
It's not about using 2v 500ah before. It's whether those commenting have used lead acid before, be it 2v 2000ah or 12v 100ah, it is still lead acid hence operating principle is absolutely the same.

What is shocking is that you don't seem to realize that people are speaking from experience of using both lead acid and lithium, you feel people are just trying to market lithium and intentionally have readers misinformed for personal gains.

ojeysky:
Na wa o....Kai this one shock me o. It is well sha.

truthbetold22:
This man, your defense of lead acid batteries over lithium is so pathetic and lame that it beggars belief. You do not want to move on from your old and obsolete technology, congratulations..

But please, stop trying to prove that lead acid is problem free because again, you have invested in a 48v 2000ah bank and a 40kw solar array so you can afford to discharge to 80% only.

Isn’t it pathetic that you know more than the white man who invented both battery chemistries. Isn’t it also lame that you know more than the white man who choose to use lithium batteries in laptops and electric cars with many of this electronics going 10-15 years on the same battery

Finally, who told u that lithium users battle with voltage and balancing? You are so stuck with old technology that you won’t do your research on how lithium works. Lithium batteries are coming with 5 year warranties and you are speaking English. Even for diy coupled cells, a proper bms and a reltec balancer and you are good for 5 years.

Please stop misleading people with your oversized bank and your oversized panel array. Not everyone can afford 10 million Naira arrays.

Allow people with small budgets to get lithium batteries that can stand the test of time and can get filled up quickly without 40kw arrays.

Enough of all the lead acid hype. All lithium users have had lead acid disappointments before we all ran to lithium.

You don hear person come here say e lithium battery don fail since 3 years wey people on this thread start to use am?

Wetin u wan hear again?

FEGEITOK:
At almost all exposed ATMs I have seen these batteries, what kind of batteries are they?

In at least one instance, I have seen an installation not for ATM but for an office but with some 200 of these connected together.

ojeysky:
We have different mode of operation, your approach is to wait to hear from user update, mine is to read about the chemistry of the batteries and yes those YouTube experience as well. None of these should remove the fact that lithium is way better chemistry than lead acid, it's just a fact and you don't need a 5 years user experience for that. Nevertheless go team lead acid


PS am sure there are people here using lithium for over 5 years already....by next year you can ask me questions as I should be in that category by then

efuro:
honestly, i think George is right when he said each battery technology has it's merit and demerit. we all choose what works for us.
if am going to london, i can decide to fly electric plane or more conventional plane. each airplane technology differs as long as it gets the job done as desired. it a win-win situation here being off grid and its renewable.
am happy both of you recognised guiding rules of leadacid. that does not mean lithium has no guiding rules too.

as a DIY, i have broken almost every guiding rules, mix mono panels with poly, mixed and parallel 150w with 300w, mixed Gel batteries with AGM which infact still serves me 7yrs counting.
i am not saying it is the best practice anyway but so far it works for me from DIY view am ok. because i know the rule of 50% DOD which makes me double my lead acid to 48kwh bank. as it is am seeing 10yrs already from my lead acid and remember i may still make some cash as scrap later. so it is win win so far.

earthrealm:
My lithium bank isnt upto 5yrs.
Na from smell, dem dey sabi soup wey go sweet.

I can deduce from your statement/question that you hvnt really bothered to research these 2 chemistries.nor understand the physics behind it.
1C vs 0.1C comparison alone.....this debate is dead in the water


Lolz, anyway wetin be own sef.....
Am not talking about this shi,t again..person wey wan buy leadacid, mek im go ahead..person wey wan buy lithium...mek im go ahead....after all 1 kobo no dey enter my account which ever way.

NiyiOmoIyunade:
I have used both Lead Acid and Lithium.

Lead Acid I started off with the typical sealed Luminous, Genus, Sinergy which all dissappointed then moved on to Flooded US Battery which also dissappointed then ultimately went for Lithium. When I say dissappointed, I mean they did not all make the promised cycle life despite being used within charge and discharge specs and best practices. For customer installations I used Quanta AGM which did better but mostly still fell short of the expected cycle life.

I ported to Lithium 2018/2019 ish, lived offgrid exclusively off 16 units of Pylontech US2000 - 3 years and several hundred cycles later they are still going strong and no discernible performance degradation, also Lithium allowed me to move from dreading customer calls (once you hear backup time is reducing you know lead acid don dey near end of life) to answering them with my full chest and only getting calls for capacity and feature upgrades and referrals for new business.

There are some use cases where lead acid may be sufficient - when a newbie asks me for advise I always tell them to stay with 12v systems because it gives more stability and longevity. Lithium is almost always a better option but needs a lot more bells and whistles (BMS and balancer circuitry) - I daresay the BMS and balancer is one key reason why Lithium tends to do so well and if one could make a Lead Acid BMS that could balance individual cells, the lead acid story might change a lot.

Really the bane of all battery systems is how to keep cells in series well balanced - whoever solves that problem will greatly extend his battery service life. The Lithium chemistries are mostly superior to lead acid but also a lot less forgiving of mistakes (overcharge/discharge)

ojeysky:
Let me try, I just started using lithium , but will you wait for me for
5 years experience before you believe that lithium is a superior chemistry and infact will do at least 3x lifespan of leadacid under similar operating conditions?
For a lithium enthusiast like me, I still bought lead acid this month on situation beyond my sole control, so.LA is a technology that will still be with us for a while. However anyone who has been on this thread and has the means but is still chasing on lead acid over lithium is only deceiving himself. A newbie here has enough information to make their independent opinion. Ultimately one man's food will continue to remain another man's poison

earthrealm:
Lolz, sentiments aside, pls disprove scientifically all that i typed there, are the lies or truths?.

Now back to the posters question, it really has no answer, if you use the battery outside the limits i stated.

A leadacid battery can be dead in 8months to 1 yr, if owner goes against some of the rules i posted...same battery can do 5yrs..if owner obeys all the rules.....

I believe in showing people, life and death...so they can make informed choices

If someone comes to ask you, if a motorcycle can take him to London from Lagos...,instead of taking a 6hr flight...what would you answer him?.......i guess you would tell him Yes, end of story.....

Well, the way am wired, i would educate him on the pros and cons of his plans.....so he can arrive at a decision by himself

We all know why your leadacid bank lasted 8yrs+....you have a big warchest, wch enables you to consciously or subconsciously keep to all the rules i posted.
The average user doesnt hv the resources to copy your style.other than telling people your leadacid bank lasted 8yrs, i dont recall coming across where you informed people, the secret to your batterys longevity?...which is what i exactly xrayed in my earlier post

Lastly, if u are truthful n engage installers or users of leadacid battery, the usual denominator is premature battery failure, usually under 2urs..or 3yrs max

You have only used 1 type of battery chemistry--leadacid, many of us pro lithium folks hv used both leadacid and lithium.....so naturally we are in a better position to compare the 2 batteries, from firsthand experience....which you dont have .
Its night and day., Like comparing Lagos and London

FEGEITOK:
What are viable alternatives to roof installation of Solar panels?

Just in case I am not willing to reroof the house

zeestone99:
Lol why won't I identify myself, I don't steal, do shady jobs or defraud people. I have many clients turned family here.

Now back to the issue sir. if u feel u still have issues call me or call d roofer directly let him come and rectify it. I will attach a screenshot of our conversation so you can remember and know why I didn't bother you again cos I believe all is settled.
From the conversation u said u ll fix date with him. I already left the rest for both of u.

Yes I told you we can parrallel d inverter(if it supports parrallel) or get a new controller.
You have 10 units 535w and 5 units 655w.
That's a total of 15panels worth over 8.5kw and it's even Canadian solar

You then put this on 5kva 80a axpert that has just around 5kw mppt, you are short changing yourself.

Another question is How were they able to parallel 15 panels on the same inverter. Did they parallel 8 panels with another 7.

FireTheSun:
I want to believe you have your reasons for identifying yourself as the Installer. If you did not, you can bet l wont, it is not my style of correcting someone. But you have, so that burden is no longer on me.
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Now, I will MENTION and EXPLAIN a few things:

- How can you say: "we did a fine install but you had leaks"? (in the Roof, after your work)
Are Leakages in the Roof, (when l did not have them before you came to install), part of this "fine install"?

- How can l confirm to you that "we are good", when it has not rained, after the effort of the person you sent, and when you asked?
I confirmed to you that he came and did his job, "hopefully" the leakage would have been rectified, but that can only be determined after it rains again!

Yes, we had Leaks, even after his effort . Not because he did not do a good Job but because he can only do as much!
He was able to block some visible Nail holes but the damage was varied and widespread

The Roofer you sent tried his best (you should have brought along this Roofer with you, when you came to do the installation) but "Squashed" Aluminum Steptiles Roofing Sheets are impossible to be straightened up again after crushing it by walking on them without due care, anyone who had seen Steptiles Aluminum Roofing Sheets, knows this. We had Leakages from various Nail points as well..
I was "shocked" since that was my first experience of a Leaking Roof ( and angry" as well), though internally, l was blaming myself, for the choice l made.
I just decided to "learn the lessons" and concentrate effort to rectify the problem, as quickly as possible.

The "other side" could not have been repaired, when the Roofer you sent came to do the repair because, as of that moment, l never knew there were leaks on that side too (My Tenant was not around during that period when you installed the Panels on his side).

I did not say the "repairs" will cost over #2M.
What l said was that l will have to replace the Roofing Sheets with new ones, at over #2Million.
Replacement => Put in fresh Roofing sheets.
Repair => Call Roofer to be looking for Holes to plug.

But he cant push-back-out and straighten all the depressions caused by your Legs marching (carelessly) on the Steptile Aluminum Roofing Sheets, can he?.
Somethings, when damaged, can never go back to their original form, even after repair. What you do is replace them, if you want to go back to your initial state before the damage.
That is current state of the problem now.

When it rains, depending on the intensity of the rain, those "Foot Depressions" act like BOWLS, they store rain water and then when full, the Water overflows in a direction of least resistance, without following the grooves, (as it would have done in an undamaged Roofing Sheet) which can be anywhere on the roof!
Roofing sheets on a Roof are meant to have smooth grooves and slanted in a particular direction so that water flows down as it drops on it, without accumulating in "big depressions" created by squashing of 10 People's feet walking on the Roof .....without a care or as if it is made of Wood! I explained all these to you back then. I took pictures and sent them to you.

The Roofer you sent did try to "push-back-out" some of these Squashed Depressions on the Steptile Roofing Sheets, (from inside the Ceiling) but in most cases, they only got worse because Steptile Roofing Sheet are not supposed to be pushed in and out, due to the designs on them and the Depressions were just too many.

l am the sort of person that likes inconveniencing people, including my tenant, with a leaking Roof.
How does someone pay me premium Money for a House and he has to be collecting water in his Bedroom, Kitchen, etc, because the House Owner installed Solar Panels?
What l wont take, l wont do to others and l have promised him that once l am back in the country from my Travels, l will replace All the Roofing Sheets in that area that were depressed with your feet and leaking, with new ones.
By my estimate, it will cost over #2Million to complete the job. That is what l wrote.
If your intention is to contest the amount, then go and find out how much they sell a length of 0.55 gauge Aluminum Steptile Roofing sheet and multiply by how many will cover the area, (add accessories like Nails, Flyband, rent Ladder, etc to it and include workmanship).
Add the cost of damaged, suspended Ceilings to it (areas where the Water leaked unto the suspended Ceilings and they buckled, after getting soaked)

But l am sure you would have learned some lessons from that job, which is the crucial thing.

- Like not having too many people on the Roof, at the same time. Just the minimum required.
At that time you were doing my Installation, you had yourself and four other guys on my Roof a few times though most times, you were on the ground.! It was as if my Roof was being used as a 'teaching experiment'.
As you guys were working and walking around on the Roof, l could hear the sound of "Crushing of the Roofing Sheet", with each Step taken, as they were walking on it!
I am sure you remember how l was raising the Alarm that you guys will damage this Roof? The Crushing sound was so evident from inside the House! You kept assuring me nothing will happen and l believed you, against my instincts.
I want to believe such wont happen in the future, when you install for others.
Experienced Installers should know how to delicately walk on the Roof without Squashing the Aluminum Steptile Roofing Sheet, those things are kind of fragile.

Like l said, another installer (just Three people, only Two were on the Roof, One was Down) recently installed additional Five Panels (655W each) earlier this year, all the area he worked on, not a single leak and the rain has been brutal this year, so it is not about the material or style of Roof, it is just "inexperienced" Workmanship.

Remember you told me l have to buy another Inverter, if l were to add those New, Five Panels?
Well, we did not have to buy any other Inverter, the New Installer l engaged just re-arranged the whole configuration and it is pumping out Power mercilessly..
We are completely off-grid in the last four Months-plus and Electric Cooker, Washing Machine, Submersible Pumps, Freezers and all other Home appliances are under normal use, though we do stagger and Submersible Pump not to run around 2pm only.
Why did l mention this? It appears there is a "knowledge gap", when you told me l cant add those New Panels to the existing ones, unless l buy a Second Inverter (which l would have done, if you came that day as l had called Gennextechnologies office immediately).
You said you needed to run them New Panels separately on a separate Inverter, for them to work.
As God will have it, l did not have to buy another Inverter.

My aim, in not mentioning the identity of the Installer (which drew the ire of some people here), is to mention the problem so the installer or anyone in such position, can learn from such mistakes, without damaging the image or brand of such offending Installer. I have No Apology for that decision, that is who l am

I never raised the issue here, until l was "wowed" by the Installation of that many panels by @Chris and even at that, l still kept your identity PRIVATE, with someone abusing me over it!. Having worked for me and our discussions about 'Unilag', you obviously knew, as an elderly person, exercising control over one's anger, even when l feel offended, is not unusual, would l ask you to come and replace the Roof that was damaged? (I remember explaining the issue of "vicarious liability" to you, on phone)
Being Vindictive, is not one of my attributes moreover, l passed those stages, a long time ago, l dont know who my own grown-up children will meet, in far flung places.

I hope this brings Closure to the whole matter, now that the Installer has identified himself.

zeestone99:
I remember this job.
You called us to just come and install 10panels around 525w or thereabout. You said you had everything on ground.
we did you a fine install but then you had leaks and you briefed me the situation while I was not in town.
I called two roofers and sent them down cos they were forming tight schedule so it was which ever one comes 1st. Both came and you choose one, I paid him and he did the job. I also confirmed from you and you told me you are good. You never mentioned the leaks again. Our next Convo was when you needed to add additional panels. I told u we had a job at hand and we can come around X day. You said you would be travelling, you can't wait and we agreed someone else should do the job cos I'm unavailable at the moment.
You never mentioned you have leaks or your roof has been damaged and it will cost 2million to fix.
you didn't tell me, you didn't call the roofer(u v his no) cos he wud v called me for money. You already told me that the roofer did an excellent job.
I have done several installation for clients turned friend here. They can attest to our work. We do fine jobs. Yours just had issues and we fixed it.

Roof jobs can be tricky depending on the design and materials(thickness of sheet and wood) used for the roof. You don't know what's there until you go up there and sometimes there can be leaks. Infact most times I tell clients to get a carpenter on standby depending on how I see your roof. The leaks can be stopped it's nothing serious.

@truthbetold let's not trade strong words here, I believe we can always pass our message in better ways without insult. You don't know who is behind every username. Pls let's respect each other .

Happy weekend.

FireTheSun:
I think you meant well, so l will respond to your Post.

There is a reason they write "Caveat Emptor" (Buyers Beware) on a Wall, but dont attach anybody's name to it. We might ask: Why dont they name the Person they think wants to sell the House? Why make a "general Notice without naming anyone (This might not be a perfect example though)
But it still works because it puts everyone on "General Notice/Awareness".
It is now left for an intended Buyer to do more due diligence, to find out the rightful owner and verify any claim that is made..

It may appear contradictory to some that l mentioned the issue, (though it was just an "aside-remarks" in relation to the beautiful Installation done by @Chris ), but l did not mention the Name of the Installer, it has reasons.

Most People think the whole idea behind making a REVIEW, is to DESTROY a Business or a Product, the inherent reason of making a Review, in my own understanding, is to make the Seller/Producer/Product BETTER.
How you achieve this is to let the Seller/Producer/Product Owner know that "there is a possibility for damage to his/her Brand, if he/she does not IMPROVE their 'Game'.

I am too matured to want to destroy the Business of a younger person, despite the damage it caused me but l want him to know, openly here that it wont be "Business as usual" and he has to either IMPROVE or STOP Installing Panels.
Just that, l have achieved my own set objective.

But from your Statement, you asked: How will that Help others not to fall Victim?
Good Question!
Three ways:
1) The Installer in Question is reading this and he knows that he is just a Click-away from being Unmasked!
If you were him, will you repeat the same awful job or you will step up your game and start doing good jobs? My own conclusion is that he will IMPROVE, which is my desire, not to damage his Brand or Business beyond repair.
That is left for very Vindictive people like the rude, uncouth boy running his mouth all over the place. Always trying to damage others, he tried to damage @Valto at a point. He tried to rundown @Niyi's Installation at a point, insulting both of them.

2) Any genuine Client who wants to engage an Installer, has the liberty to contact me and ask PRIVATELY, that l let him know if the Person he wants to engage, is the Installer who damaged my Roof. That way, l do not damage the Brand of the 'wayward' installer but l could alert the Client on another Installer or ask him to supervise this my installer properly.
That way, any Client will still have achieved the same Objective they want to achieve, if the Installer was named.

3) A Client, having read the "Buyers Beware" Post l made earlier, has the duty to ask any Installer he wants to engage, to PROVIDE "REFERENCE" from owners of former Jobs done i.e. give me the Phone number of one or Two Clients you've Installed for, let me speak with them.
The advantage in this, is two fold:
(a) He wont be able to do so, if he has damaged his reputation or did a bad job.
(b) He probably would, if he values his Brand, ensure that he does not leave "a bad taste in the Mouth" of other Customers and this is where the "desired improvement" on the part of the installer, comes in.

The Installer that did my Job is reading this, he knows he did wrong but l wont Name him just "so l can damage him", ....... because l am not just that type of Person.
My aim is not to "destroy" but "to build", to make others better, to improve others, to be constructive in my criticism and l am doing it as l deemed it most fit.

I wont let any manner-less, untrained runt from the gutter goad me into doing what l believe is "not the best" of actions.
I am past that stage in Life!
It is left for anyone who thinks the post is useful to him, to read it, otherwise he can skip it
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Go through the posts of this @truthbetold22 guy and you would see that he has INSULTED almost everybody on this thread, (from page 679 - 681 are all his Insults on members), from Mctfopt, Ceasser, Valto, Niyi, bigrovar, solasola, durodee, Barezzi, etc and same thing on other threads.
Everyone who does not do things his way, is Stupid, is an Idiot, is a Fool, bla, bla, bla!
His default position is to use foul language on others and it is a reflection of his Upbringing.

Go through his Post, it is jus about abusing People, no sense, no value, no contribution but all Insults.
You cant give what you dont have. Its like putting a Pig, in a China Shop! A Child raised in the Gutter, even if you put him on a well-laid Bed, he will roll around, fall down and roll into the Gutter where he belongs.

This is a faceless forum but a few People here have had "contact with me offline", including the Installer who did my Roof and they would testify that l am not the kind of person that empty empty brain expect me to be.