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Empiree:
who was he, human or God?. Clarify yourself

He is the Son of the living God !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.!!!!!!!

Are u ready to give your life to him that you might receive the gift of the holy spirit ?

Empiree:
who is this confused guy?

Perhaps you are the one ?


You were given question to answer but you decided to skip.[/quote]What question ? Go and read it yourself, the Bible is very clear, it's not written in complicated classic arabic, it's available any language of your choice.

it's universal !!!

Here it is again. Let's see how brave and knowledgeable you are[/quote]Yea, Jesus is who He is !!!

Or is that to hard for u to understand

Empiree:
Maybe you (Samunique) can answer this question that your brothers couldn't answer?

Read the bible for yourself and you will find the answers, and if you're not clear then we can help you out.

Empiree:
I am never taking you serious. You know why?. Because you know little to nothing about your bible. I can tell from your writing. But you wanna hide behind your fellow christians and shoot your shot. I am not falling for that crap. Besides, we have discussed many things you had to say 3-4 years ago. Some of them you can find in this thread.




If you are intelligent enough you would have realised that the folks you are praising failed to defend their christian doctrines. So i am not taking you serious. You left ile keu (if that was true at all) bcus you are one of those retarded, lazy, angry rhetoric students who would not hesitate to beat up teachers.

And thank goodness you confirmed that there are many unknown writers of your bible. This proves it is not a Divine Book but collections of books. Your bible is better graded at the level of 10x inferior to our hadith. Quran however revealed by On source, GOD. So we dont have multiple writer of Quran.


“Say: ‘If all mankind and the jinn would come together to produce the like of this Quran, they could not produce its like even though they exerted all and their strength in aiding one another.’” (Quran 17:88)


Also you said multiple reporters of the bible is a proof. You are so ignorant. If this is a proof of its authenticity, i wonder why you have so many contradictory reports - Mathew, Mark, Luke and John. Well, i have no time for you man. Help yourself with links

Bros stop being arrogant in ignorance here, u know noting about the bible. We know your like, who get puffed up in what they know noting about. You've not been able to successfully defend your religion, and we all see how tru2god is taking you to the cleaner here, anyways, that's the spirit of Islam, always pride themselves in ignorance. Adepoju comes to mind !


Pls try and bring up your so called biblical contradictions regarding the gospel, I shall attend to them when I'm back from work.

Religion blinds, but Christ saves !!!


You can be forgiven !

OLUWABIG:
@samunique don't mind empiree jareh how can the same angel that brought the good news now come again too discard it I laugh when I hear them argue

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Islam and confusion,

Empiree:
Yes, I can quote Ibn Ishaq if he narrated good stories about our messanger (saw) because even Satan speaks the truth at some point. So history books, Hadith etc are bound to have misconceptions, interpolation, corruption, distortion just like your bible. They are not protected speeches. Therefore, I am not bound by them especially in this day and age of technology where they can easily edit them electronically. So keep your Ibn Ishaq with you, buddy.

Pls I want you to reread what u wrote here and judge your own double standard and hypocrisy !

Little wonder that u apply the same principle to the bible. Any verse which you can manipulate to support your lies you Cherri pick while treating the ones that expose the ingenuity of your prophet as fake and corrupt.

Now tell me what is special about your Qur'an ? is it,
Plagiarism ?
Repetitive ?
Disjointed ?
Contradictions and so many blunders ?

You know what ? if Muhammad had laid his hand on any copy of the Quran before his death i would have taken u serious. But the fact that the Quran was copy after him, and the first copy of it which was in circulation amongst the early Muslims was ordered to be destroyed before this current one completely erase the muslims acclaimed perfect nature of the Qur'an.

Lastly, you Muslims claim that the Bible has many authors, hence he cannot be trusted, well, I started hearing that from my Alfa since 1983 when I started attending what we call "ile kewu" to learn Qur'an. But I will tell u something today, that it's better to believe the testimony of many witnesses than that of a man who went to the cave and claimed to av seen an angel and received revelations without any other witnesses except himself and Allahh, who could only witness through no one to confirm the message but this same man ( Muhammad ).

As Christians, we know that anyone can claim to be a prophet but not all prophets are from God, not all angels are holy angels, not all voices are of God, so all revelations are not from him.

Bro if u like try till tomorrow, no real Christian will take Muhammad as the prophet of God nor the so call Angel jubril ( Gabriel ) who he claimed gave him the revelations as the real Gabriel of the Bible was said Jesus shall be called the "Son of God".

Moreover, the holy Bible tells us that any spirit that deny that Jesus is the Son of God is the spirit of Antichrist. So u see why we Christians reject your prophet as God's prophet ?

2:21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.

2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. 1 John 2:21-23.

OLUWABIG:
@samunique if there is one thing I like about empiree it is behavioral display he is displaying perfectly what Muhammad taught them all Muhammad know is anger camel urine and pussy sucking

My brother, the thing tire me o.

The guy can never ever express any opinion without abuses

Empiree:
you should keep shut already. We know what he said when he was alive. So get lost

And you think u are better than him ?

Moreover, is this the hallmark of all Muslims ?

You cannot make a simple sentence without abuses ?

Islam ?

Barbaric !!!

Empiree:
Baseless hearsays This fake reports are just like bible where you find too much "then say", "they said". You can only trash stories like these from evil Christian missionaries and Evangelists like Nabeel Quraishi who is currently facing serious punishment in his grave right now. He's not finding it funny down there he already know Whats up. He has become "adorun mooto"

Like it or not

honesty, you lack maturity !

Are you his maker/ judge ?

Or you're the chief prosecutor of the Almighty God

OLUWABIG:
I don't have them now but let me give some examples : 1.who is this Allah by G.J.O moshay 2.the anatomy of Quran by the same author 3.the Quran and science by Christian prince

Thanks a lot !

plainbibletruth:
These Nairaland threads can be of help too:
1. Who Is This Allah? Pdf Book By G J O Moshay
https://www.nairaland.com/3636456/allah-pdf-book-g-j#53825740

2.Who Is This Allah (chapter 1) By G.J.O MOSHAY
https://www.nairaland.com/2947455/allah-chapter-1-g.j.o-moshay#43120276

Thanks a lot !

true2god:
Thanks bro! My post is to stimulate Muslims to think about their religion. It is not about 'Empire' but other Muslims that mind have an open mind to alternative view, contrary to the traditional Islamic narrative. Many Muslims I debated have no feet to stand on their religion and some have left Islam.

Empire is only acting 'Superman' and refused to abandon the traditional Islamic narrative. Whenever he is faced with indisputable fact, he got confused and at the same time become more unyielding. It is all about his personal ego and the protection of Islam and Mohammed.

Thanks once more bro!

uwc sir ¡

Continue the good work.

Empiree:
stop lying. You weren't muslim

U make me laugh !
Honestly !

true2god:
Islam, unlike the US, is not a country or a race but a belief system, a religion. The shahada you gave was given on the premise that you have believed in the oneness of God and the prophethood of Mohammed, a believe which is quite subjective. A Christian or a Jew, sharing the same country with a Muslim will never say the shahada. No any Muslim country I know make the taking of the shahada a prerequisite for granting citizenship to foreigners. It is like asking a prospective US citizen to say 'the lord's prayer' before he becomes a US citizen. You always make a wrong moral equivalence bro!

You said the shahada is a prerequisite for enjoying peace and harmony with Muslims; I think we are in agreement here. It means if I don't say the shahada in a Muslim-majority country or community, I won't enjoy peace and harmony. You just echoed my point and validated sahih Muslim hadith number 33. Please note that the American constitution, unlike the sharia, is not discriminatory; it does not divide the citizens between the kafir and the ummah. The same rule apply to all because the US constitution takes all citizens as equal; no dhimmi, no ummah. The US system is over 1000% better than allahh's sharia system.

You made mention of zakat, please note that zakat is for only the Muslim ummah. The Christians and the Jews are to pay the jizya with willing submission and feel themselves subdued, under an ideal Islamic system (Quran 9:29, also read the exegesis of this ayah in the tafsir by ibn kathir)

Bros u are wondeful, your scholarly is legendary !!!
I've been following this debate with keen interest and I must confess u and enilove with the other guy plainbibletruth ( I can't remember his moniker precisely ) u've done a very great job here.
thanks so much and God bless all of u !

I'm also a former Muslim, pls I will be very happy if can mail me some ebooks that can be of help to me in dealing with these our brothers, cause I know I av a lot to do that area.

Thanks !!!

seunpas:
What is wrong this days?
If the pastor is killed they will say his hand is not clean, now that he is saved people still criticised him of Odeshi. Confused Generation nothing is worth praising but complain and condemnation.

God bless u my brother !
let them continue, everyday for the thief but one day for the owner .

I wonder where Femi will run to after this current administration expires ?

He doesn't seem to realize that there's life after Buhari before making some of these his unguarded statements !

Firebomber:
Lolz. Imaging that guy just quote his own version of the bible written by Muhammad to justify Oneness. lolz

That guy is something else !

His ignorance is annoying !!

I suggest u ignore him !!!

imran147:
Lol you jump fence just like others cuz ypur parents didnt put you through from child birth 100% you know what i mean.... Anyone have right of religious but if you learn and knows about islam you wont utter such words

Ignored !!!!!

Firebomber:
Brother am tired of this people.

They will claim they know but they know nothing and will come online quoting verses that there cleric give them up and down.

Imaging during there so called Ramadan, they have nothing to teach themselve than how to manipulate Bible teaching to suit there belief.

The day i stop taking those people serious is the day one of them said that Jesus perform ambition and he quote verse where Jesus was the feet of his disciple to show the sign of humbleness.

Those people really need help.

The day Christian will start challenging them back will be the day Islam will know his place.

Peace

Well, u cann't really blame some of them bcs they have no access to the real knowledge. They only follow what their imams tell them, I once was like that, so all these their Jesus performed ablution stuff and all other arguments are not new to me bcs I was taught the same thing, but today I'm a born again Christian filled with the holy spirit.
We just need to keep praying for them and to not keep silence when the need be.

DOCU:
Bro, so you have time to argue with those creatures. Their problem is inferiority complex. Our master was crucified, he died, was buried, he rose and ascended to heaven where he is still alive communicating to us till date.

Their own master died, was buried...that's all but he will be judge by our own Lord.

Instead of them to accept, they make long unnecessary argument. Stupid and baseless argument always.

They will tell you Jesus was not killed.
The man that was killed was exchanged.
God substituted him.
The man that was killed did not rise from the dead.
Timid apostles overpowered Roman soldiers to steal the man's body from grave.

The Quoran says that 'God has no ear but he can hear, God has no eye but he can see, God has no mouth but he can talk.' They contradict themselves by saying that God cannot have a son because He has no wife.

A lot of stupid things they say but I keep praying for them.

A portion of quoran advises them to consult the bible if they are in doubt, which means that Prophet Mohammed recognised provisions of the bible as a more superior ordinance.

My brother, those people are the best when it comes to arguing blindly.

You cannot beat their ignorance !!!

imran147:
And your claimed been with God in the first place mean he’s God ? Or what you trying to I say ? He’s great than the angels? Lol not funny but you ignore the answer
Muslim never told they never admit Jesus even he’s mother have a full Surah in Quran even Jesus name was mention than Mohammed in Quran but Jesus is a prophet of God and Muhammed is the last prophet of God to complete the religious of one God among humanity.....remember not only Jesus was give book David Moses Jesus have book sent by God and it’s was combine became bible an with added of the John the Baptist words
While Quran contain the book of David Jesus and Moses and also muhammed with he’s own book make it complete Quran

So therefore never compare Jesus with God this my words

First of all, I've discovered that u are new here on nairaland , you registered July 11th 2018, hence I will stop responding to your mentions, bcs all these your arguments have been dealt with here severally, pls go and ask your fellow Muslims here on NL. Better still, go to NL search engine and search for the related topics to settle all your confusions.

Peace !!!

Glycolysis:
Ignore him ,pls...

Thanks !

I wonder how some people will be boasting themselves in what they know noting about.

imran147:
And those that qualify Jesus to be called God

Abi unah no no meaning of God. Check your Dico

This bible verse should help u to abide Jesus is not God and bible never call him GOd

Bible says that God is not man
‘God is not a man’ (Numbers 23:19)
‘For I am God, and not man’ (Hosea 11:9)
Jesus is called a man many times in the Bible
‘a man who has told you the truth’ (John 8:40)
‘Jesus the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through Him in your midst, just as you yourselves know.’ (Acts 2:22)
‘He will judge the world in righteousness through a man whom He has appointed’ (Acts 17:31)
‘the man Christ Jesus’ (Tim. 2:5)
The Bible says that God is not a son of man
‘God is not a man nor a son of man’ (Numbers 23:19)
The Bible often calls Jesus ‘a son of man’ or ‘the son of man.’
‘so will the son of man be’ (Matthew 12:40)

‘For the son of man is going to come’ (Matthew 16:27)
‘until they see the son of man coming in His kingdom.’ (Matthew 28)
‘But so that you may know that the Son of Man has authority’ (Mark 2:10)
‘because he is the son of man’ (John 5:27)

Go back to my post and read it carefully again and again, then you will realise all what you say here have been answered .

The problem with you Muslims is that, you always get confused (or maybe deliberately ignoring the truth ) when it comes the deference between Jesus divinity-preexistence, and humanity-existence.
Nobody tells u that Jesus was not a man, he became a man in order to redeem the humanity. Before then he had been with the father before he became flesh ( human ). Read john 1:1-4.

Then, check out this:

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. John 1:14.

repimpim:
I will never agree JUSUS is a son of God. Even If U take 10000000000000 Years preaching. Because there is a verse in bible says " The God of Abraham the God of Isaac and Jacob the God of our Father has Glorify his sarvant Jesus".

Then read this !


2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Philippians 2:5-8.

Jesus became servant when He left His glory/divinity as the Son of God to be born of a woman into this world, that's why most times He addressed Himself as "the Son of Man.

OhiOfIhima:
Tomorrow, they will be like Muslims does not tolerate other religion believe.. To me there is no harm in what he did as far as you are telling me the words of God but dont tell me in the end to give my life to Jesus, i will not take that poo... Because Anobi Isah himself has already gave order to his followers to accept and follow the last prophet that will come after him... which happen to be non other than Prophet Muhammad ( SAW).

And where did He say that friend ?

mightyleks:

Just as I said it well done Ajibade

3 Gbosa for u !!!

Daviddson:
That is the right thing to do.
Since the news broke that DSS have invaded the national assembly, I was convinced it was a ploy, because Daura and Saraki are friends.
Was it not the same Daura that has been covering his tracks for him, including when he was caught with N300m he wanted to bribe judges with and everything fizzled out? The man has been the underground president calling the shots. If not for Magu, he'd would have run down this government with corruption and cronyism.

With all this your analysis why wasn't your almighty Buhari able to sack him all this while?

Is it that he's got no ball to do it, While the DSS DG continue to destroy his govt

Bros forget all these your conspiracy theories to defend this failed govt and their failed coup !!!

alhajiwada:
Prophet who cannot see his own death, dat one na prophet?

Just check what u typed here ?

Let me ask you this question cause I know you (may be ) are a Muslim.

Muhammad was not buried by any of his children except Fatima, bcs all of them died before him, does that make him a false prophet ?

Pls let us try to be human no matter what and allow God to be the judge, our religion notwithstanding !

morikee:
Best President Ever

�� America congratulated him for a job Weldone in stabilizing the country, fighting Boko Haram and fighting corruption.

�� Morocco appreciated him and wished he could rule Africa because of his sincerity and honesty no matter the bad nature of Nigerian politics.

�� Mauritian President Called him the best President in Africa so far and urged Nigerians not to let this opportunity pass them by because people like Buhari only come once in a while.

�� Netherlands hosted him out of the whole presidents in Africa because he has refused to compromise with the deadly and political Godfathers in Nigeria and promised to help him in eradicating poverty in Nigeria.

�� Now he landed in Lome, Togo only to be elected the ECOWAS Chairman, I wonder how PMB is Appreciated at the International communities but blasted by the people he is working for.

�� If you can't beat this movement why not join us to create a better Nigeria instead of distablizing the country with your unfounded accusations and propanda.

Going and preach this your long sermon to the killer herdsmen, or better still, in sambisa forest.

Buhari is a complete failure, it is confirmed !!!

udoka55555:
how did you know its CAN?

U dey mind am.

let's endure, Buhari and his kinsmen days are numbered.
let's see on whose side the foolish NPF will be then.