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Sagamite:
Out of the whole qualifying process across the world only Spain, Germany, Italy, Holland, Nigeria, CIV and South Korea never lost a single match.

Amodu has the 4th best qualifying stats worldwide with the highest number of clean sheets.

What about England?
They won 9 out of their 10 WCQ amassing 27 points out of 30 with +28 GD.
Surely, that is better than Germany, Italy and CIV.

@ topic,

U have valid points with the Amodu analysis but your theory has only proven Amodu is the best in Nigeria. . .He is not world-class.
Nigeria must go to the world cup with a manager that possesses a vast technical/tactical nous. A manager that can change the course of a game with smart substitutions and tactical approach - I am not convinced Amodu can outfox Dunga, Maradona, Domenech or Capello.

Let's not be deceived with what Amodu has achieved yet. Nigeria used to be a super power in Africa.
By default, Nigeria should be qualifying for World Cup tournaments/ACN with or without a manager.
The Nations Cup should be used as Amodu's litmus test. If he fails to deliver, then he should be fired. A manager that fails to excel in Africa will fail tremendously when the World Cup kicks off next summer.

duduspace:
I agree Ronaldo is very fast, most people forget he has got longer strides than Theo, I was just stating the difference between the 2 measurement types. I'm not sure who is faster as Theo doesn't really use his pace well (Liverpool run aside). Lennon and SWP must also rank amongst the fastest.
Running styles can disguise how fast players actually are, for example most of us thot then that Finidi George wasn't fast but he was actually the fastest winger in Europe when he was in Ajax and was faster than Tijani Babangida but I'm sure most of us who watched them would find that hard to believe.

Some players are deceptively fast. . . . . Robin Van Persie is one of those.
Who woulda thought RVP is faster than Fernando Torres?

No2Atheism:
. . . see me see blessing.  wat is Sauron even talking about . . .Sauron stop this Straw man argument of implying that I said something about why Fergie signed him. . . (I did not and do not really care about Fergie's reason for signing him) so where exactly did you see me make a statement about why Fergie signed the player . . . Sauron stop deceiving yourself . . . you are the one who posted the video . . . i do not know why Fergie signed him and i do not care.

Stop ranting like a nanny-goat on heat. . . .
I asked you a question. . . . .U claim [i]s[/i]hit players can look excellent on youtube videos and i was quick to expose your crap logic that Fergie did not sign this player based on Youtube videos. Fergie has been watching him for the past 2 years.

I posted a video of MBD because he has just copped his work permit.
U saw it and all you could do was prophesy he won't make it in the EPL because of course, you are a fortune teller.
A useless fortune teller who cannot change the destiny of Arsene. A manager whose failure continues to break Guinness world record.

The bottomline of what I am said and I am still saying is that: He DOES NOT look anything spectacular. . .

That's the opinion of a biased, priggish, pest-natured GAYnner.

duduspace:
The speed Sauron quoted is different from the speeds on the Arsenal site. Those quoted by Sauron have been averaged over time but the speeds from the Arsenal site are from actual tests done periodically on the Arsenal players timing their runs from 0 - 40 meters.

I remember Ronaldo sprinting 24mph(38.6kph) before scoring the 3rd goal at the Emirates in last season's CL.
He is very fast!!!

No2Atheism:
Cus even poo playes look good in Youtube video, yet your so called special player looks very normal . . . i.e. nothing spectacular.

Haha. . . . .So you are suggesting Fergie signed this player based on his Youtube videos?
Tsk Tsk!!!!
The nous of a GAYnner.

Show how it is false . . . by the way look at the phrase "more chance"
Will certainly do . . . 

There are more foreigners in the top clubs than English players.
It then goes to say that players bought from less quality leagues have fared better than the English players in the EPL.

Lets look at Arsenal in the last 2 seasons for instance. . . . .
The likes of Eboue, Diaby, Clichy, Sagna, Vermaelen, Nasri, Song, Eduardo, Adebayor, Hleb, Flamini were all nicked from inferior leagues.
I can count another dozen from Chelsea and Liverpool so what is your point?

No2Atheism:
- you are correct about Kevin Phillips scoring 30 goals, hence he is obviously a bad example to use as a flop.
- I ought to have used another example of a player that comes into the premiership and then flops. . . .
- Nevertheless the main point I am trying to pass across is that cus a player is spectacular at a lower league does not mean . . . i repeat . . . does not mean such a player would not be a flop at the EPL. . . most especially if such a player decides to go to a top team in the EPL.

If this is so. . . . .no EPL manager will be buying players in Europe since EPL is considered the best in Europe.
I can name gazillion players who came from rubbish leagues and became stars in the EPL.
Solskjaer came from Norway. . . . .Vidic came from Russia. . . .Arshavin is also from Russia and so on and forth.

- Hence cus the Senegalese guy was top scorer in the Norwegian league does not mean he is going to make head way . . . in the EPL.
- French League is not really considered lower league per say . . . Drogba, Vidic, Evra, Anelka are exceptions . . . just as Ronaldo was an exceptional player.

So what makes you think Diouf won't be an exceptional player like Vidic and Anelka?

- The bottomline still remains that a player coming from a lower league to the EPL has more chance of being a flop than a player going the other way. . . simply because of gap in player quality.

FALSE!!!!!

Below are snapshots of your postings for future references . . . .

Keep em safely in your vaults.

No2Atheism:
- Don't worry about Arsenal. . . face your own team and defend the player you posted and do not try to change the topic.

Face ma own team? Practice what you preach, amigo.
I am on the United thread discussing a United player? So who should face his OWN team?

- I always do my best to be a man of my words hence why I do my best not to listen, learn and then speak. That is why I am not too proud to apologise and stand to be corrected about issues, when contrary valid evidences are provided.

- I apologise if you consider that my saying you are not a man of your words is an insult. . . I am a blunt person and I sincerely spoke what I have observed of you on nairaland. Although in fairness to you, you have not really said anything to me to warrant such a statement from me towards you. Cus in reality my statement of you not being a man of your words is based on "reports" on nairaland and not on what I actually saw with my own eyes. Hence i would correct my post accordingly.

. . . . . . .And reh reh reh!

- In Norway . . . please . . . .
- So many players are like the best things since slice bread in lesser leagues . . .nevertheless precendents show that it does not mean they would transfer such into the premiere league.

So Premier League clubs should stop buying players from lesser leagues because players look better in lesser leagues than the EPL?
Where is your God-given nous FFS? If i may. . . . .where did United nick Ronaldo from? Heaven's league?
Drogba? Anelka? Vermaelen? Vidic? Evra? Where were they nicked from?
Like an Atheist, you have got no prayer.

- Obertan is one of the few young players that i actually respect within the ManUtd team cus I have seen him play. . . and my own football judgements are not based on just speed (otherwise I would have choosen Walcott), and not based on just goal history in lesser league (otherwise Kevin Philips would have been an EPL star).

Tape it shut and stop blaspheming.
You saw Obertan AFTER he joined Man Utd not before so what is your point?
MBD is yet to kick a ball for United and you have already concluded he is not special.
If you know better than Solskjaer and Sir Alex, why ain't you managing a football team instead of spewing applesauce on Christmas Eve?

Your footie knowledge became questionable when you said Kevin Phillips woulda been a star. . . . Was he not a star once in the EPL?
Did he not score 30 league goals for Sunderland to win the EPL's golden boot in 99/2000 season?
How many strikers in Arsenal's history have scored more than 30 league goals in a single season?
U need to go and lie down.

What matters is the complete football sense and combination of all the points . . .
- By the way, Ronaldo was almost bought by Arsenal (but scuppered due to the price tag and the connection of ManUtd to his former team), Arsenal rated Ronaldo hence don't even start to compare the two. . . cus Ronaldo was more than special than this your buy even at a younger age.

Arsenal rated Ronaldo? Why didn't Wenger buy him when he had the chance?
Your manager is a slowpoke. He told the media Ronaldo was too expensive for £12 million in July 2003 but paid £17 million for Reyes in Dec. 2003.
Seriously, one has to question Wenger's managerial nous. What does Reyes do these days? indecency?

- I am not talking about the price of the senegalese player i can careless, the point i am trying to make is that: compared to what you already have in ManUtd, I do not really see anything spectacular about it.

If you cannot see Mame Diouf brings something different in the attack department then you should stop talking and pay attention.
Diouf is a true centre-forward. Not a false 9 like Rooney and Berbatov.
The Senegalese is in the mould of Louis Saha and Samuel Eto'o. . . . . .He can lead the line effectively and he stays in the box.

No2Atheism:
Although precedents show that you are not always a man of your word (no offense ) . . . nevertheless I would wait to see if your claim that he is a special player is true . . . or whether your definition of the word "special" is different.

Are you a man of your words?
The problem with Jews like you is your near-sighted way of viewing things.
Obviously, the talent is there and it is up to him to utilise what he has got. . . . . . .He has shown he can use both feet effectively and can head the ball very well. Something no Arsenal striker has got in his ammo.

As far as I am concerned, even Obertan looks a better player than he is, even if Obertan is not really a striker per say . . .

Obertan looks better than a striker that was his club's highest goal scorer?
He scores a goal every other game and you are here spitting hokum like you have ever seen him play.
Why don't you just shut up and put your hands up you dunno what you talking about!!!

No2Atheism:
I don't see anything spectacular about him:

- Pace.
- Heading ability.
- Goal scoring ability.

There is nothing spectacular about cus all the points listed above is already available in the typical english player hence why would ManUtd be bothered about getting such a player. . . when they already have others like that in the league.

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Berbatove made a career mistake to go to United, cus the reality is that he is better of at Arsenal.

Nobody saw anything spectacular about Ronaldo when he was bought. . . . .The media concluded he was just another show pony.
Arsene Wenger was over-critical of his signing. Wenger said Ronaldo was too expensive for £12 million as a teenager.
6 months later, Wenger himself bought Reyes(a teenager) for £17 million and we all knew where he ended up.

Mame Diouf is a special player. . . . . . .Scouted by Solskjaer himself and i have been watching him since July.

MAME BIRAM DIOUF GRANTED WORK PERMIT.

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The Sly:
If wishes were horses. . . .Unfortunately it aint so.

Lazy journalism at it's sterling quality.
Not a single quote from SAF or Man Utd or Barcelona.
The journalist that wrote this nonsense deserves to be flogged.

If you are going to make up stories, at least lie about the quotes as well to make it believable.
Unfortunately, a lot of people will fall for this chaff.
Pep is too inexperienced to manage an outfit like Man Utd.

kenzyma:
My girl friend bought me t-shirt 4 xmas. But it happen not to be my taste, should i return it to her?

Give the shirt to your gateman.

mojojojo:
Written by Shehu Abubakar   
Wednesday, 23 December 2009 00:28

Defunct military government of late General Sani Abacha was the best and most determined administration Nigeria ever had, Chairman and Chief Executive of defunct Triax airline, Chief Arthur Eze said yesterday.

Speaking with aviation correspondents, Chief Eze said the late Abacha’s administration was able to execute so many projects in the country, adding that most of the good roads in the country today, the legislative quarters and the National Assembly building were all built by military regimes.

He said today’s politicians are only “busy sharing money” while the people are dying.

“For the past ten years the civilians have been in power, the Enugu/Onitsha expressway could not be rehabilitated. But I know God will ask them question one day. Abacha has never given me contract and I did not ask him. But all the Military Governors that gave me contract, no one asked me to give him anything. No politician will give you contract without asking for percentage,” he claimed.   

Chief Eze said though democracy remains the most acceptable form of governance, it is regrettable that Nigerian politicians are not doing what is expected of them.

He said the late Abacha led military never used the award of contracts and execution of projects as a means of stealing public funds.

I agree with this piece 100%.
Nigeria was a better country under Abacha.
OBJ's regime was worse and Yaradua has not impressed me one jot.

CILondon:
Speak for yourself, lovee.

You are the one complaining here. . . . .
I don't have complaints with the Naija women and Naija men i meet.

Obasanjo
Obasanjo
Obasanjo

WARNING SHOTS TO IBIME.
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I'll let the club hammer splatter-your-face, have it shattered-in-eights
Your death was so predictable your momma had your casket-arranged

And i heard you wouldn't be ill after contracting-a-plague
Your task-is-insane. . . . . I carry more HEAT than a Luger contains

I land blows on your bifocals n abdomen to burst your frames
Tying you up with ropes n chains, grab the probes to[i] poke your brains[/i]

Ex[i]pose your veins[/i] n leave your body toast in pain
Sauron spew disses till his f[/i]ucking [i]throat is strained

Ibime:
Sauron aka MetaSin should never make the shortlist having failed to properly clear his name before a jury of his peers. 

Ibime should not even be on the short-list.
This section is not about battling alone. . . . . .Ibime drops no topicals. He is too narrow-minded to put his brains to task and kick knowledge.
The winner of this award should be a prolific battler and a writer that never stops from dropping knowledge all the time.

I think only Mailmalc and Lord Sauron qualify for that.

tkb417:
Merry Xmas people

will be off here for a while

lemme go rest; i hope we get back to winning ways soon

Where you dey go? Basra?

agabaI23:
He would not be that fast in the eyes of a man U fan

I will say Gael Clichy and Eboue are faster than Van Persie.

kobikwelu:
I[b]'VE NEVER SEEN RONALDO PERFORM EXCELLENTLY IN BIG MATCH SITUATIONS. HE'S A CHEAT AND A DIVER ANY DAY,[/b]
tell am , i no fit shout

Ronaldo single-handedly destroyed Arsenal in the CL-semifinal last season while Messi played no part against Chelsea over 2 legs,

mr SURON, check the goal breakdown for both teams: higuan and ronaldo scores 90 percent of their goals

Exactly ma point.
With Ronaldo, you have productivity.
He has scored more goals than he has played for Real Madrid. . . . .It's ridiculous.

ermmm, first nisteroy scored close to that

Firstly, Nistelrooy is an out n out striker, Ronaldo is a winger.
Besides that, Ronaldo scored 42 goals in 48 appearances. Nistelrooy scored 44 in 52apps.
It's a ridiculous amount of goals from a winger.

2ndly, dont forget that a better percentage of  his goals were from penalties,
last season, eto took barca penalties.

Scoring penalties is even difficult than scoring tap-ins from 2 yards.

now i know your desperate
why are u making excuses was he the only footballer that had a long season was he the only one fatigued
pls say sumtin else

He was the only footballer required to drag his team to WIN the European Double in 2007/8.
Messi fell off in the semi-finals after Ronaldo's team eliminated them and that was after he was out for 3 months.
Which other striker in Europe had a brilliant domestic season and went on to dominate in the Euros?
We all saw what became of Messi in the qualifiers in South America? He was too tired to show his worth/

HABA!!! is that a criteria a match that is played  in rarefied air. thousands of feet above sea level
fifa had initially banned that stadium for health concerns.
even spain would be thrashed in that stadium.

Chile, Ecuador and Venezuela won in the same stadium.
Messi has no excuse. He failed to impress.

messi scored the goal of the decade against getafe, it was reminiscent of maradona's wonder goal.
make ronaldo try am for serious match.

Serious match? So Getafe are world champions now?
Ronaldo has scored similar type of goals and how can Messi's goal against Getafe be the goal of the decade.
Go and watch Grafite's goal against Bayern or Nistelrooy's goal against Fulham.

pls dont compare.
messi is learning the playmaker role, is learning how to improve himsef better but ronaldo looks at the mirror and combs his hair

Story!!!
Messi did not win the golden boot in La Liga, he did not win the golden shoe in Europe.
Ronaldo won more individual titles than Messi. . .won FIFA awards and the Ballon d'Or.
The season Messi came 2nd, he won nothing.

Ibime:
Everybody STOP PRESS!!!. . . . lets come back to this conversation at the end of January.

If my theory that Carlotti's diamond is starting to exhibit it's inherent weakness is true, then I should have a lot more to say by the end of January.

I hope by then no one would tell me that the poor form is down to ANC!

At that point I will pull up Avram Grant's unbeaten run from mid-November to mid-February in 07/08! 

It does not even matter if the run of games under Avram was much easier than what Carlo will play?
Ibime, where is your soccer-nous?
The first 10 games, the last 10 games, the first 25 games are just statistics. . . . .U can only compare if the same set of fixtures [/b]were played.

[b]Situation A
Chelsea vs Hull
Portsmouth vs Chelsea
Chelsea vs Wolves
Sunderland vs Chelsea

Situation B
Man Utd vs Chelsea
Chelsea vs Arsenal
Man City vs Chelsea
Chelsea vs Aston Villa.

The situations can be the 1st 4 matches under 2 different managers but the manager playing in situation A will do better than the one in situation B.
D'accord?

debosky:
It was NOT formation that led to that transformation, it was a deep felt respect for the coach and a determination on the side of the players to do him proud. The diamond didn't stop DD from running, neither did it stop Terry from doing his job. They became demotivated under Scolari and once that was fixed, their abilities came to light.

Debo, tell him.

You just don't get it - you CANNOT extrapolate a stretch of games where there was nothing at stake in the league compared to a full season. That Carlo hasn't done as well as Hiddink did in his own brief stint is not a clear indicator of anything - there are too many diffuse factors that are not revealed by such a cursory comparison.

Ibime is hallucinating.
He has conveniently ignored the fact that Tottenham, Villa, Fulham and Man City have improved massively and beating em ain't easy any more.
Carlo's task is the most difficult. He has inherited geriatrics and he's supposed to compete in a league that is fast improving.

Who says players must reach 32 before declining?    Sheva was way past his best by 30, ditto with Vieira. It is clear to see that Terry is past his peak - only a stubborn Chelski fan would argue otherwise so is Lamps. When two players in your spine are in decline, it will affect the performance of the team.

You can add Petr Cech to that list too.

Drogba on the other hand is still at his peak.

He is on steroids.

Ibime:
Thats why Guus Hiddink is so relevant to this conversation.
Last year when Scolari's diamond was in the midst of its capitulation, Nateevs used to blame the age of the players. The players are too old. . . . bla bla bla bla

Players age everyday especially with the demands required in this league.
Besides, Chelsea don't have kids like United and Arsenal. Kids who can play games like Carling Cup/FA cup so get some perspective.

Hiddink came, and the players suddenly looked young enough to compete. All that happened was that GH changed back to the formation these players were bought for - 4-3-3!
From Hiddink till now is only 6 months. Abi, are they ageing exponentially?  

6 months make a difference if we are talking about players who are 29+.

Who is too old in Chelseas team?

Almost everybody according to SAF.

Lampard at 31 is at the peak age for a midfielder (27-32). Essien, Obi, Malouda etc are all under 30.
Our whole defence is under 30, except Carvalho who is just 30 or 31.
Drogba is the only one slightly above the peak age for a striker (25-30) at 31.
Deco is above 30, but he's a rotation player.

Can you compare today's Lampard to the dynamic Lampard of 2004-2007?
Petr Cech is a shadow of himself. Chelsea's formation did not change that.
Carvalho, Terry, Ballack, Deco are all geriatric.

Apart from Deco and Ballack, who exactly is too old in Chelsea's team?  

Essien and Obi are closer to 30 than 20.
Don't mind their falsified ages.

THE FASTEST IN FOOTBALL.

"Is it a bird? Is it a plane?…No, it's Cristiano Ronaldo." The Portuguese flyer is the fastest elite player in world football according to a study conducted by the weekly German magazine Der Spiegel.

The study indicates that, in his boots, Cristiano Ronaldo is the fastest elite player in the world, reaching an average speed of 33.6 kilometres per hour (20.88 mph), a quality he uses to full effect by blowing past defenders.

According to the study, Ronaldo supercedes Bayern Munich's Arjen Robben (32.9 kph), Arsenal's Theo Walcott (32.7 kph), Manchester United's Wayne Rooney (32.6 kph) and Arsenal's Robin Van Persie (32.1 kph). Barcelona's Balon d'Or winner Lionel Messi did not rate amongst the top five fastest players.

CR9's blazing pace has already been well documented, former coach Sir Alex Ferguson having claimed that "Ronaldo is just as fast with the ball as he is without it… maybe even faster"

It is amazing that RVP is faster than Leo Messi.
Some players are faster than they appear.

Ibime:
This would hold water if you were not comparing Carlotti's regime to the disastrous diamond-formation regime of Scolari. 

At this stage last season, Man Utd already had their early season blip when Ronaldo was injured. Chelsea is ahead of where we were last season because Scolari's diamond was already 4 or 5 games into its capitulation. Carlotti's diamond is now starting to show the same signs of capitulation as Scolaris.

For clarity, it would be better to compare Carlotti's regime with a 4-3-3 regime over the same no of games. Bear in mind that these statistics were produced before the draw with West-Ham:

This Ibime is too stubborn. . . . . .What about the age factor?
Are your players growing backwards? How many of these players are over 30?

Ibime:
Scolari also started like a house on fire, and ran into the same problems we are seeing now. BTW, Man Utd have lost 5 games already and we are only halfway. Compare that to the 4 they lost last season. Where would Carlotti be on the table if Man Utd was the same as last season, without defensive crisis and with Ronaldo? 

This is why I've told FBS that heaven will not forgive Carlotti if he loses the league to this Man Utd team. We've never had it so good.

Ibime, stop talking like an amateur.
You cannot talk about the 5 games United have lost and ignore the number of games they have drawn.

Fact remains, after 18 league games. . . . .Chelsea had dropped 16 points last season.
After 18 games last season, United also dropped 16 points.
In the current season, United have dropped 17 points from 18 league games. . . . .It does not matter if those points dropped were losses or draws.

League titles are not won by the fewest number of losses a team can get. . . . .but the fewest number of points they drop.
5 losses, 12 losses  don't mean shit.

FBS:
@Sauron, what's the scores now? All square?  

Ibime 20-18 Ritchboy.

Ibime:
So do we all agree that we have never lost the league playing a 4-3-3 formation?
So whats all the extra argument about? 

I don't think something as flimsy as formation can lose the league title for a club as massive as Chelsea.
There are various other factors that are common denominators when the league was lost --- injuries and the funds available are also factors.

Now, if the diamond and 4-3-3 are mutually exclusive, then we can agree that if 4-3-3 never lost the league, then the diamond formation always lost the league. The only possible exemption being Mourinho's flat 4-4-2 at the beginnning of 07/08.

Formation does not win matches/league titles. . . . . .Players do.

Ancelotti also won 1 league in 9 years (with Juve and Milan) playing the diamond formation.
Most would agree that the league is the most effective judge of a formation, as opposed to cups, which are subject to the vagaries of luck.

This one na poppycock
United did not use a static formation in all the 3 seasons they have won the league title.
4-4-2, 4-3-3, 4-2-3-1, 4-5-1.

dayokanu:
Kindly confirm,
Was David Beckham loaned out to Preston North End
Was John Terry loaned to Notthingham Forest

David Beckham and John Terry were not prodigious talents as teenagers.
They were mediocre players in their teens. . . . . .They did not have the explosive nature of Cesc, Messi, Rooney or Anelka.

@ Duduspace,

Time will tell.
Letz freeze this debate for now.

duduspace:
You can easily detect a mancunian image maker when you read their writings, of all the youngsters mentioned up there, has any one of them played in the Carling Cup?

He never said they have played in the Carling Cup.
The reporter is saying if these players fulfil their potentials and if Fergie continues to have faith in using kids in Carling cup games . . .he was speaking hypothetically. Notice he said none of them has been blooded yet.

On a personall note, I do believe Morrison is an explosive talent, he has considerable individual skill possibly even more than Wilshere (at least from the you tube clips) but he doesn't have as much influence on games as Wilshere did at the same age, also he is yet to be tested at a level considerably higher than his age group and[b] he is not exactly dominating games even at his age group. [/b]

Then you have not seen Morrison play at all. . . . .He is too brilliant. He is better technically than Rooney was at 16.
Catch MUTV every saturday morning and watch what he does week in week out.
Apart from his combustible attitude, he is the one to watch.

Pogba however is getting very good reviews, I do hope they meet our bunch (Aneke, Ozyakup and Afobe) sometime during the FA youth cup this year so I can get a first hand look at them myself.

Can't wait for United's kids to play Arsenal's infants.
2007 FA youth cup taught me United's kids are more talented.

duduspace:
I challenge you to quote just one in reference to one of your present crop of youngsters from a premiership manager

Present crop? I don't think United have any players on loan in a Premiership side.
However, a young Johnny Evans took Sunderland FC to the Premiership and kept them above relegation waters in 2007/8.

Circumstances differ for players, we have 5 U21 players on the fringes of the first team (Walcott, Ramsey, Gibbs, Traore and Vela), adding an 18 year old into the mix of 11 players that can take to the field at any one time is a bit too much for any club to undertake particularly one that has to compete on all fronts as we do.

Excuses, excuses and more excuses.
Considering the fact that Aaron Ramsey never went on any nonsense loan, it is fair to say Ramsey >>>>> Wilshere.

This loan move allows him to get competitive game time at the top level so that he doesn't get stifled behind the likes of Vela and Theo. I personally believe he will go on to prove himself there and then come back to displace Theo. It is a testament to his precocious ability that a loan move is even being mooted before his 18th birthday as most players are not consdered good enough to go out go out on loan for the first time until when in their early 20s.

Hahahaha. . . . . .Stop kidding yourself.
At his age, Rooney was leading England in Euro 2004.

Remember that the likes of Manure's Cleverly even in their early 20s could only get loan moves to mid table championship clubs.

Loans can be arranged to any club. . . . .It has nothing to do with ability or age.
It depends on ties the parent club has with the club willing to take the player on loan.
Danny Simpson once played for Blackburn/Newcastle and he is shyte. . . . . Fraizer Campbell also lined up for Tottenham FC.

You only need look at the success story in Alex Song who was on loan to Charlton in the season they were relegated from the PL  to see how beneficial the loan system is to us.

I understand the concept of the loan system but with the hype around Wilshere, he shouldn't be going on loan to Burnley.
Ramsey stayed in Arsenal, why can't Jack Wilshere?

duduspace:
@Sauron
I couldn't resist the urge to bring to your attention this snippet which shows how highly Jack Wilshere is rated, here is what Owen Coyle the manager of Burnley had to say, please note the portions in bold:

We shall see by this time next year if Ravel Morrison would have broken into the Manure squad or if a premier league club manager would be offering to take him on loan to fight a potential relegation battle.

Jesus Christ. . . . . .Owen Coyle is just an apple polisher. . . . .
He wants Wilshere so he is bound to say these things about him. . . .I can pull up stuffs that have been said about United's players on loan as well.
It means nowt.

The question you should be asking yourself is. . . . . .Why is Wilshere going on loan if Wenger values him so much?

This is another assessment from a Sports Journo(James Ducker) for Times.

On the subject of talented youngsters at Old Trafford, keep an eye on Ravel Morrison. I was speaking to a prominent figure at another leading Barclays Premier League club a few weeks ago who was positively frothing at the mouth talking about the 16-year-old midfield player.
We in the media are too often guilty of talking up a player too much, too soon, but Morrison is a hugely gifted individual, with a remarkable turn of pace, close control and a keen eye for goal.

In time, he could become that most precious commodity – a free-scoring midfield player. And United haven’t had one of those since Paul Scholes was in his pomp. [Cristiano Ronaldo, for all intents and purposes, is a forward]. Better still, Morrison is from the tough Manchester district of Wythenshawe, where his name attracts a buzz of excitement and he’s already attracting quite a following on YouTube.

Another from Daily Telegraph(Mark Ogden)

Youth team prospects such as Joshua King, John Cofie, Will Keane, Davide Petrucci and Paul Pogba, controversially signed from Le Havre, are earning rave reviews with their performances for Paul McGuinness’s juniors.
King, Cofie and Keane are proving prolific goalscorers, while Petrucci and Pogba are showing signs of developing into dominant midfielders whose progress will not be kept under wraps for too much longer.

But the real excitement surrounds a 16-year-old by the name of Ravel Morrison.
Morrison, born in nearby Wythenshawe, is already a star of YouTube as a result of the stunning goals he has scored from midfield.
He is not 17 until February, but his prodigious talent is the worst-kept secret in Mancunian football circles.
Ferguson is unlikely to blood the youngster this season, but Morrison, King, Cofie, Keane, Petrucci and Pogba are beginning to knock on the door.
If they fulfil their potential, and Ferguson’s faith in his Carling Cup kids is justified, then perhaps the bar will be have to be raised from the Beckham standard.