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budaatum:
Hmm. I think I might have not been as wise as you've just been.

Just look at what this esteemed gentleman have to say about you. "Atheism, for all of its proud boasting of scholarly adequacy, is a kind of intellectual adolescence which refuses to think hard, face the facts, and be tough minded.

Atheists live, when all is said and done by blind and contradictory faith about how we know what we know and what the nature of reality is. Atheism is arbitrary and irrational all the while dressing up in the costume of rationality." - Greg Bahnsen

JacksonD7:
02. Faith[/b]

[b]All religions require faith, atheism included. Despite what the atheists wants us to believe, it does require a great deal of faith to believe that in the beginning nothing exploded and created something. And something expanded and one day created the Earth.

And someway, somehow for no reason whatsoever, the Earth happened to be in the right spot for life to thrive. And later on, non-living materials have birth to the first living cell. And this cell, mysteriously rearranged itself, became more complex and reproduced. And one day, these complex cells turned into fishes.

And one day these fishes decided to live on land. In time, the amphibious offspring of these fishes gave birth to reptiles, and these reptiles gave birth to mammals.

The whole must be eternally grateful to you JacksonD7. The truth has set them free!

hopefulLandlord:
Don't for a second think they don't understand what you're saying, they actually do but are just pretending to be obtuse so you can say something they can latch on lol

Lol. It must interest yo to know that FSM is the acronym for an Atheist group called the “Flying Spaghetti Monster” after having existed in secrecy for hundreds of years; They came back into the mainstream just a few years ago.

I asked them the same question that you guys can NOT answer, What does Atheism offer humanity especially now that it is clear that it is a religion? Can you answer ?

vaxx:
i am sure this question will remain unanswered, the answer to this question will discredit atheist philosophy .....

This is indeed very sad. It means that Atheism is dying even though at this late stage they have decided to reveal their secret, that they are in actual fact a religion.

Why did they use trillions of bytes to deny that they are a religion?

Fvcknames:
I am just trying to use unicorns to prove a point as to why evidence is needed.
At this point I think I give up
Apparently, u only hear what u want to hear and filter the rest.

At this time no one wants to make me coffee. So meanwhile I am banking on you to help me with answers Sir.
There is good reason why the world wants to know what Atheism has to offer.

I received this email below a few days ago. These Atheist girls begged me, “Do you want to spend Valentine’s day in a company of beautiful student-girls? We need a wealthy Atheist lover and we do like filthy sex, group sex and anal sex. We will swallow your sperm for extra fee.”
From what I have seen, Religion saves young girls from this disaster.

What does your NO-god offer these girls?

I am going for coffee break.
Atheists will love me when I get back with Molecules and DNA. Dark Matter and Black Holes can be left for another day. They have been humbled enough for one day.

hopefulLandlord:
General acceptance of a phenomenon does NOT make it objective

If the whole world says the earth is cone shape, it does not make it the objective shape of the earth, it seems I'll need Kingebukasblog here to explain further to you cuz I observe the other theists here are simply lapping up your posts without even thinking it through

Why not even google the meaning of objective and see how wrong you are?

In science, when there is general acceptance or agreement, those shitbags behave as if they have objective evidence.

Atheist dont hesitate to believe it when scientists say that Mars has no Ozone layer. What is the superstitious beliefs based on. What objective proof do Atheists have? Only general acceptance, yet they idolize theories as evidence of facts.

Fvcknames:
I believe u can scroll up to ur post at 9:25

OK I did that. There is a small misunderstanding. That comments was reserved only for Hopefullandlord.
I do humbly apologize if my comments upset you.

vaxx:
Honestly speaking, the atheist lost this argument.....

Budaatum surprise me ....
Hopefullandlord dodge my question


Let .e repeat it here again



.is there anything that we all assume is the same thing? Is there anything that no one has a question about?
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Yes Sir you have been better than the best scientist, dissecting the inner most beliefs and faulty thoughts of the most proud Atheist. I have learned much. Thanks also to Butterflyl1on the SS interrogator.

I have one question that remains unanswered Sir. Could you ask these Atheists on my behalf, "WHAT DO THEY OFFER HUMANITY."

Fvcknames:
I am just trying to use unicorns to prove a point as to why evidence is needed.
At this point I think I give up
Apparently, u only hear what u want to hear and filter the rest.

Please dont give up ! Look at what happened to me earlier, I tried to prove my point using something far worse than Unicorns Sir. I used Dark Matter but the stubborn dim witted Atheists would have none of that.

Fvcknames:
I am just trying to use unicorns to prove a point as to why evidence is needed.
At this point I think I give up
Apparently, u only hear what u want to hear and filter the rest.

It is good that you used Unicorns, but I must tell you that if anyone tried to entertain those ideas, it would derail the Thread.
I will advise you to rather use fallen trees or even use NO-god to prove a point here. Never give up. Timing is important.

Fvcknames:
I've totally wasted my time so far

NO no, take it easy now ! You have done your best for now. They all appreciate your efforts, but they are a bit stressed that Now that the secret is out, that Atheism is a religion, Atheist evengelists here wont answer simple questions, such as "WHAT IS A CHAIR.?

While you take a break, will you help with a few questions?

Fvcknames:
"I" am saying the fact that we didn't observe that a tree fell does not change the fact that it fell in the 1st place if it fell at all.
If we don't 'see' or 'hear' unicorns, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
I'm just trying to say that it goes both ways

Awesome, it does go both ways. Why did you not say that in the first place?
Did you not say earlier that you THINK IT goes both ways ?

butterflyl1on:
Two of them above who are hopeless and and a salamander have already started with the black holes and dark matter jargon. Did you see how they were ignored?

We know their games already.

OMG ! My heart goes out for them. It is impossible to challenge a team that knows your game. They came totally unprepared
into this dynamic 2018.

Atheists need another coach, Richard Dawkins and Harris has failed again.

Fvcknames:
Dude throughout this argument, I didn't insult ur intelligence.

OOOps. Did I really do that. Na, please be kind enough to show me the error of my ways.

Fvcknames:
OK man, sensory perception
Look at what I said about unicorns
We can't just assume God exists because he can exist without us sensing him.

I am sad to say that Butterflyl1on wont answer this type of questions Sir. He has more important things to deal with here.

Meanwhile can you please answer this question for the benefit of millions of anxious readers world wide:
Can you tell me what Atheists are offering A suffering world, or am I wrong to believe that their are billions of suffering humanity?

vaxx:
it seems am wasting my time .....am sorry dude

You and Butterflyl1on are very sharp. The smartest Atheists are no match for you guys. There last resort is to bring their superstitious Black Holes and Dark Matter to confuse you guys. Watch out !!

butterflyl1on:
NO.

They said a God can exist without us PERCEIVING ITS EXISTENCE and not BELIEVING ITS EXISTENCE. note the difference.

This was why i said that if this is their position then why are they asking for OBJECTIVE EVIDENCE FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD or is sensory perception not objectivity?

NOBODY IS TALKING ABOUT BELIEF HERE. WE ARE ON ABOUT SENSORY PERCEPTION.

You have made that very, very clear to him. Even a lower grade student will get it first time. Why are Atheists so thick skulled?

If he want to swerve away from scientific embarrassment, over to belief, I will be happy to accommodate him for 15 mins before I go for Coffee.

Fvcknames:
Come on man, yes they said something can exist without you believing it exists. They didn't say it definitely exists if u don't believe in it.
So I say a god can exist without us believing it exists, not that it definitely exists.
What do we do then, we find proof to cement our stance that it exists not just assume that it exists.
Unicorns might exist if u don't believe they do, but we don't just assume they do, we have to find proof for certain that they exist.
The argument that hopefulLandlord and Budatuum brought does not support the theistic stance, it goes both ways
I think this is the 3rd time I'm typing this;
People believing a god doesn't exist does not stop him from existing if he already does, so also people believing he exists does not make him exist if he doesn't.

I have heard Of Atheists that Believe God exist, even though he dont. But assume he does because others have suggest he could, but knocks down rumors that he might exist outside his own existence. I hope that make sense so that we can move forward to the important things the OP graced us with.

You appear to be a knowledgeable person.

Can you tell me what Atheists are offering A suffering world, or am I wrong to believe that their are billions of suffering humanity?

ScepticalPyrrho:
On your failure to provide verifiable proofs that God(s) exists, I'll rather maintain that God, just like Santa Claus, doesnt exist no matter how much some people want them to.

OK, to stay on topic No2, I will agree with you subjective views. One thing is bothering me about you, why are you unable to explain to us the existence of your NO-god. I know very little about about your NO-god. Does he have another name?

I heard that he is a cool dude that created superstitious Dark Holes. It is rumored that NO-god has supernatural powers so great that he made invisible Dark Matter so Atheists can be more intelligent.

I am interested Sir. Tell me more !!

hopefulLandlord:
Yes, you seem to have gotten it, however, I'll add that unlike the theist, the atheist has the null hypothesis on his side; we as humans always move from null hypothesis not towards it and that's as sensible as it can be, otherwise we start claiming anything exists

To show the sense in this, I'll replace god with something like "Pink Unicorn", you do not assert a pink unicorn exists despite lack of evidence because it can exist despite it, you start by assuming a pink unicorn does not exist till its found out to exist, assuming it doesn't exist is the "Null hypothesis"

I don't believe there is a god because the null hypothesis starts me from there, and it's up to believers to demonstrate that their god proposition is true.

When anybody can:
1. Provide a coherent definition of what they mean by "god"

2. Provide empirically testable predictions of that god, and show that these predictions are true

3. Show that this god is more parsimonious than all other natural explanations

I'll (at least tentatively) accept that a god exists. So far, none of these requirements have come anywhere close to being met, and I can reasonably assert that the proposition of a god existing is likely false.

It is because of the inherent wisdom of religions that they have not given Atheists any help with their crooked questions.

They know that Atheists must first prove the existence of their NO-god and produce a WhitePaper outlining Atheism religions mission for mankind. It is now more than 100 years and Atheists have never produced it. Instead they aimlessly and cruelly jab at world religions with superstitious Pseudo science and their strawman called NO-god.

PLease produce evidence of your NO-god if you want to be taken seriously.

JacksonD7:
Now that we've established the fact that atheism is nothing more than a religion, I would like to talk about tolerance. Personally I've got nothing against a Christian going to church, putting his arms in the air and saying "thank you Jesus".

I've also got nothing against a Muslim knelling in a mosque and saying "Allah Akbar". I'm also cool with an atheist not subscribing to a higher power, believing his ancestors are apes, and viewing his/her existence as a purposeless, meaningless accident.

But, the thing is you can do all that without being so obnoxious about it. News flash people: you can be an atheist without bashing other religions!.

I know that for some people I'm preaching to the wind, I know that I've angered some atheists with this article. I know that some of you will go down to the comments and call me an ignorant buffoon.

But it doesn't matter. I'm religious, you're religious and whether you like it or not, that's the truth. We were all religious in the beginning, we are religious now, and we will be religious at the end. Get used to it.

There you have it we are all religious. But the worst religion on earth is Atheism. It is the only religion that is a afraid to tell others what Atheism have to offer a suffering humanity.
Why is this? Is it because the Prophet Richard Dawkins is a Satanist? What superior benefits has Atheism to offer mankind that world religions cant offer?

dalaman:
Ogbeni, does your God exist and does it want people to know it exist? How did you get to know that your God exist? How can anybody know that your God exist?

From what I see, you will never be able to know if the creator God exists. Sorry dude but that is the hard truth. So take a break dont stress others.

Fvcknames:
I might not be getting the discussion fully, but I'd like to drop my 2 cents
I feel something can exist without you observing it, but that does not mean it definitely exist.
So there 'could' be a god without us experiencing it, but that doesn't mean there is.
But the chances of that god(if it exists) being the Christian God is slim.
So what I get here is that saying god doesn't exist does not stop him from existing(if he does), and saying that god exists does not make him exist if he doesn't.

All in all, I feel this arguments are of little use for the parties involved cause no matter the points given whether in favour of theists or atheists, there is always going to be a way around it.

I am sad to say that you are only confusing yourself here. These arguments are of great value to all concerned especially Atheists.

1) Atheists secrets are out in the open. Atheism is a religion of hatred and destruction.
2) Atheists are battling with the fallen tree.
3) Atheists are unable to answer simple question, like what is a table which the esteemed Vaxx asked. Other questions that Atheists struggle with are;

1) Is Dark Matter the spiritual essence of NO-god?
2) Are Black Holes the place Atheists go to after they succeed in their mission to destroy all religions and its followers?

vaxx:
objectively verify evidence.......my existence is an evidence of the existence of GOD......

but if you say am wrong, you have to provide me God definition ...... what is GOD?

You evidence is indeed objective and verifiable. Case closed ! Next.

dalaman:
Don't carry your mental illness and come close to me with your ridiculous drivel because I'll always use you to mop the floor. What ever the two of them say remains their own opinion. Am not a religionists robot like you that have to dwell and accept the ridiculous mythology, fiction and folklore of ancient people and defend it always because you were indoctrinated with it. To me evidence MUST be provided to establish the existence of anything. That is my position so deal with it and stop being happy to display that you suffering from a mental illness.



Budaatum did NOT declare anything for me. When did he tell you that? I know the need for you to always tell lies to make you feel good. I am not like you that the ancient people think reason and do everything for. The ancients think for you and you follow their ideas, thoughts and imaginations like a senseless robot. Very soon you'll start quoting from their book (bible) while claiming it is the word of some divine being. Unlike you nobody can reason for me when it cos to the issue of God or religion but in your case all you have are the thoughts and ideas of others.



Again their opinions remain theirs. I don't have to support and cling unto it the way you do that of the ancients that created your religion. What ever fictional and mythological narrative they throw, you'll be there clinging onto it like a foolish akuya.

After reading through you best thoughts here, it becomes very clear that the ancient people were much wiser than you, except the Barbarians. Your modern prophet of Atheism, the Satanist Richard Dawkins has proven that many Atheists so-called scientific beliefs are pure superstitions and weak assumption woven into unproven theories.

Two Satanists, Richard Dawkins and Harris is thinking for you. Nothing you say here has not been said by others a million times, which means simply that you can think for yourself. You are not the independent thinker you would like us to believe.

dalaman:
So what of atheism is a religion? It is the religion of reality. Just check it out, isn't it a remarkable coincidence as human knowledge and understanding of reality increased, miracles and supernatural events declined at an exponential rate? Why did God show his "miracles" only to people living in societies beset by myth and superstition and lack of knowledge of
Many things thousands of years ago? Why did he take early retirement and stop sendubg messengers or sending himself? Why does no one take a man seriously in advanced societies (except backwatd shit holes)if he claims to speak on behalf of any God today? Why does no on take a man seriously who claims to fly on a winged beast to meet God today or claim he is God or his son? What does this tell us? If athiesm is a religion, then it is the religion of reality not like the ridiculous childish mythological construct of the ancients that we have around.

Please, what you are saying is worn out and boring. Rather tell us more about your beliefs in NO-god. What does he offer a suffering humanity? Lets get real ! The mental gymnastics game is up. Keep it real, tell us about NO-god. Prove to us that he exists so I can join you if he provides superior benefits.

butterflyl1on:
Let budaatum an atheist like you answer you.


He just answered you with the quote.

YES INDEED !!! An absolutely brilliant answer that you gave him. You saw right through his boring diversion tactics. It is time they answer the questions. Please, you go ahead and ask the first question.

butterflyl1on:
Now you are attempting to throw red herrings around so as to sway our focus

All you just typed above does not alter your strong position and comments earlier that one does not need sensory perception before we know something exists and your comments here further buttress your point which unfortunately for you AN ATHEIST was a validation for God and a ridiculing of yourself and your constant demands for objective evidence for him while declaring that one does not need such objective evidence before something would exist. After all malaria parasite was existing before man knew about it (according to you)

So can God not also exist without man not also first knowing about his existence?

Butterflyl1on you must join the SS soon as an interrogator. Damn, you are good Sir. He has indeed committed the most popular Atheist fallacy which is that you dont need sensory perception to confirm something exists. The way Hopefullandlord failed this simple test will have Richard Dawkins whispering in Harris' ear, "THE END IS HERE."

dalaman:
They have no evidence to provide only empty and delusional words. If God exists there won't be arguments for its existence. There will be evidence.

Why are you avoiding the obvious? The OP is about ATHEISM IS A RELIGION. Please tell us more about your NO-god. Is he a loving god?

Prove to us that NO-god exists?

hopefulLandlord:
You mean there's no evidence?

"The universe began to exist" (Vilenken weeps) therefore god exists

"Objective morality" therefore god does care how we live our lives, therefore god exists and we should all blow ourselves up as allah commands

"The human body is designed by a designer that needs no designer" therefore god exists

"If you can imagine god, it exists" aka Ontological proof, you're imagining unicorn? No, it doesn't apply to unicorns

"I was in an accident, 1 billion people died but I survived" therefore god exists, ignore the fact that 1 billion just died, those don't really matter

"There's this book I have, written by ignorant goatherders who thought the sun moves round the earth under the influence of some powerful holy spirit, this book said god exists" therefore god exists

"That book also said god has revealed himself to everybody" therefore god exists

aren't these proof enough stop fighting god

Atheist evangelism has begun, now that the truth is out that Atheism is a religion.

ScepticalPyrrho:
I want to offer a quick solution to this prolonged arguments...

The next person to comment should prove that God exists with verifiable evidence(s).

Pls, note that your response will be good for the whole of humanity, not just nairalanders

It is as simple as that.

Very interesting. Yes thank you we need a quick solution. But your suggestion will derail the OP and much more interesting developments already in progress.

1) Atheism is a religion
2) The fallen tree
3) god does not exist. (only NO-god exits)

What will certainly be welcomed here is for you and your brothers to come and prove that NO-god really exist.