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vaxx:
i rest my case here, it been a waste of time on my part

No, I certainly don't agree that your time and wisdom was wasted here Sir. There are many unwary youth that will walk away from your Threads enlightened and with a clear sense of direction. AMANDLA !!

frank317:
Excuses every where... paul was not a hater?

How do u even feel worshiping a being in your head. Dont u feel like a mad man sometimes?

Are you comparing Paul with a drol like the modern day prophet of Atheism, Satanist Richard Dawkins and Harris ?

frank317:
Excuses every where... paul was not a hater?

How do u even feel worshiping a being in your head. Dont u feel like a mad man sometimes?

Thanks for asking. Yes I do feel like a madman while talking to you. Calm down 317, you may know a lot about surfing but higher truth or ultimate philosophy is at present out of your grasp.

vaxx:
i rest my case here, it been a waste of time on my part

What a pity, when the Atheist mind is gripped in the vice of scientific superstitions.

I am not in the habit of derailing globe shaking Threads, so let us examine the HIDDEN TRUTHS contained in the OP. Many thanks to JacksonD7

butterflyl1on:
You have said it all. He feels that those he listed out up there also declared like him that God does not exist. He does not know that they believed in a god of their own making and not the one true God.

Saul, the prophets of Baal etc.

I wonder if he even thinks at all. He mentioned the PROPHETS of Baal and it never dawned on him that A PROPHET IS A PROCLAIMER OF THE WILL OF GOD but in their case, they proclaimed the will OF THEIR OWN god and not God.

Moses was in the same vein. His root was Hebrew and even Moses could sense it within him that he was different despite while following the gods of Egypt.

That salamander never thinks before he types and frank317 just like a zombie is following a non thinker which gives credence to the fact that BIRDS OF A FEATHER, .........

Correct Sir. How I wish I can explain these complex things so simply and clearly, the way you, VAXX and Kingebukasblog does it.

Spiritually speaking, 317 could be a 419.

dalaman:
When where and how did any God tell you that he only provides evidence to those that first have to believe? Is it not the bible that has God throwing sings all over so that people will see and believe? The contest btw Elijah and the prophets of Baal isn't inside your own bible abi? S it not the same bible that talks about signs that will follow believers so that unbelievers will SEE and believe? What the he'll are you talking about here? I keep telling you that no God that exist in reality will allow a failure like you to ever make any case for it.





What are the conditions Moses met before Yahweh appeared to him as a burning bush? The condition Saul met before his Damascus experience was what assuming this stories were true? All the testimonies various christians throw around about their GOD appearing to them and giving them messages just like that while they were unbelievers nko? Which condition did they meet? Many pastors have stories of Jesus appearing to them even while they were unbelievers and giving them messages to go and prolifirate according to them. No condition was stated and non was met.


The bible and the many testimonies of christians who were unbelievers that claimed Jesus appeared to them in their unbelief and told them what ever show that you don't know what you are talking about. Which condition was met since they were unbelievers? Which condition did Saul meet before Jesus appeared to him on the road to Damascus?





The condition you are talking about is your own making because you have nothing to hold on to. Many people have claimed that God appered to them when they were unbelievers, the bible has God appearing to unbelievers and converting them. All these say you clearly have no idea of what you are saying.

Butterfly1on is 100% correct. The unbelievers the bible refer to are not dumb, mocking atheists. Those unbelievers were worshippers in their own right.

God never reveal Himself personally to a God hater, mocker or religion destroyer. God knows the deep hidden motives of a man's heart. I

Atheism as we know it today is a religion of hatred and destruction.

budaatum:
Not that it matters, but where did he say that?


Are you sure there's nothing wrong with you?

Butterfly1on did not say that top speed is the damn SUV's top speed. He is too responsible to even suggest the nonsense Atheists have come up with concerning the verb, speed.

If you drive even 10km/h over the speed limit, the Traffic Cop will tell you that you were SPEEDING.

While you revealed in public that your plans were to drive 100 cars at the same time, I will stick to only driving one at a time. That way I will get only one speed fine at a time, while you will get 100 fines at a time and seriously stress the cop that must write out all your fines.

Lord have mercy .

budaatum:
Or any person I know?

Tough one. But, if I'm stupid enough to be speeding in a 500million suv in the first place, I must be stupid enough to kill my own parents I guess. Both, after all, require super high levels of stupid!

It's only afterwards when the police arrest me for using a vehicle as a weapon, or murder, that my stupid will dawn on me. Can the 500 million suv protect me from prosecution perhaps?

Excellent points. If you don't swerve you loose everything to your lawyers and still go to prison.

Did you notice that what Butterfly1on calls speeding, is only 10kmp/h above the speed limit.

budaatum:
Well, think of it. If I had a 500 million suv, I will probably have to hire a watchman to keep an eye on it when I'm not there, and a yago (get out of my way person) when I drive it. Though, since I wasn't able to feed myself, I probably would not have a bed so I might sleep in it too. I sure doubt I'd let it out of my sight while counting the minutes until I can sell the damn thing!!

Believe me, if there was no condition that I must drive the damn thing, I wouldn't even think of driving it in the first place!

Haaaaaaaa! You are damn hilarious. Lol.

You have outlined an excellent script for a best selling comedy. Leave philosophy, do comedy. Lol. Haaaaaaa

budaatum:
I would not be stupid enough to drive the car at all, not to talk of speeding in it. But if the condition is that I must drive it, hopefully moving it forward and backwards a few metres should do. A 500 million car will scare me that much if I were poor. I can buy like 1000 cars after the month passes and drive 100 at a time!

However, I do believe that if I were stupid enough to drive the car and speed in it (and trust me we must be talking mega multi stupid here) I'm afraid that level of stupidity will also make me run down the poor sod who walked into my path.

500 million is an awful lot of money for a poor person.

I think BudaAtums comments deserve commendation. It is laced with out of the box humour. I mean, picture him driving that new car only up and down in his driveway. Lol I am Rolling on the floor with laughter.

Then he goes for the kill when he says that he would rather buy 1000 cars and then drive 100 at a time. Lol really loud !! My stomack is cramping, stop , please stop.

The Jews are unable to believe verifiable evidence of the miracles/WORKS done by Jesus.

Joh 10:23 And Jesus walked in the Jewish temple in Solomon's porch.

Joh 10:24 Then the Jews came round about him, and said to him, How long do you make us to doubt? If you are the Christ, tell us plainly.

Joh 10:25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and you believed not: the miraculous miracles/ WORKS that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.

Joh 10:26 But you wont believe, because you are not of the true God, as I said unto you.

Joh 10:37 If I don’t do the miracles/ WORKS of my Father, don’t believe me.

Joh 10:38 But if I do, though you are unable to believe me, believe the WORKS: so that that you may know, and believe, that the true God is in me, and I in Him.

Joh 10:39 Because of this the Jews tried to harm him: but he escaped out of their hands.

Only the WORKS bear witness of a real pastor, not a fake pastors elaborate speeches, conferences and motivational speeches. Joh 14:12 Truly, Truly, I say to you, He that believes me, the miracles/ WORKS that I do will you also do; and greater (more) miracles/WORKS than these shall you do; because I must soon go unto my Father.

[b]Today, we are blessed to have the evidence [/b]of Jesus’ WORKS Biblically and scientifically verified in the Holy Scoan Church Nigeria and on Emmanuel TV.

To understand why the holy Prophet TB Joshua is under constant attack we can examine what Jesus Christ had to deal with.

Here Jesus identifies Satanism and atheism among the church leaders :
Joh 8:42 Jesus said unto the Jews, If the true God were your Father, you would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but He sent me.
Joh 8:44 You are from your god, the devil, and the lusts of your god you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and live not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks of his own: for he is a liar, and the god of lies.

Consider what Jesus said to the Jews earlier, Joh 6:65 And Jesus said, I have said to you, that no one can come to me and believe the miraculous WORKS I am doing, except, if the true God sends them to me.

Only the WORKS bear witness of a real pastor, not a fake pastors elaborate speeches, conferences and motivational speeches. Jesus said to pastors/disciples in Joh 14:12 Truly, Truly, I say to you, He that believes me, the miracles/ WORKS that I do will you also do; and greater (more) miracles/WORKS than these shall you do; because I must soon go unto my Father.

Prophet TB Joshua is a true disciple of the mighty Jesus Christ.

Here Jesus Christ explains why the miracles/WORKS prophecy,healing,deliverance etc are a vital part of the complete Gospel that a pastor is commanded to take to all the world. It is so that we will be so amazed at the love of God and His miraculous solutions for our suffering, that we will believe and no longer doubt the Son of God. He has proven himself to us !

Joh 5:20 For the true God loves the Son, and shows Him all miracles that He does: and He will show me greater miracles/WORKS than these, so that you may be amazed and believe.

Joh 5:21 For as the true God raise up the dead, and give them life; even so the Son gives life to whom he will.

Joh 5:22 For the true God judge no man, but has committed all judgment unto the Son:

Joh 5:24 Truly, Truly, I say to you, He that understand what I am saying and doing, and believes in God that sent me, has everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto eternal life.

JesusPeople:
your thread goes to the trash can at the end of the day

I agree! I spoke to a member of The Nigerian Atheists Organization about the OP. He says he fully agrees with the contents of the JacksonD&'s OP as it relates to Atheism. He said that he spoke to some members about the high cost and futility of denying that Atheism is a religion.

I am wondering what other senior Atheist members have to say about this, such as;
Mr. Adepoju Adeleke (Abuja), Mr. Andrew Nandip (Plateau state), Mr. Ogunyemi Adekunle (Abuja), Mr. Sambo Gamba (Bauchi state), Professor Tunde Arogundade (Plateau state) and MS. Yemisi Ilesanmi(UK).
Absent: Dr. Ogunlana Adeleke (Kogi state), Mr. Aruson Alaba(Lagos), Mrs Adekunle Ann( plateau state).

The Presence Of Spiritual Leaders:

Every religion, has it's great philosophers or spiritual leaders whose ideas shaped the religion. In some cases, the religion would not exist or enjoy mass appeal without that particular leader.

Christianity has Jesus

Islam has Mohammed

Judaism has Moses

Buddhism has Siddharta Gautama (the Buddha)

Scientology has L. Ron Hubbard

Atheism has Richard Dawkins

The Satanist Richard Dawkins is Atheists spiritual leader. Would you choose him over the other Satanist L.Ron Hubbard?

Jesus Christ explains who he is and why He came into the world.

Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the True God, but by me.
Joh 17:18 What I was sent into the world to do, I also sent them(disciples/pastors) into the world to do the same.
Joh 14:12 Truly, Truly, I say to you, He that believes me, the miracles/ WORKS that I do will you also do; and greater (more) miracles/WORKS than these shall you do; because I must soon go unto my Father.

Only the WORKS bear witness of a real pastor, not their elaborate speeches, conferences and motivational speeches. Today, the whole world is blessed to have the evidence of Jesus’ WORKS Biblically and scientifically verified in the Holy Scoan Church Nigeria and on Emmanuel TV.

PLease view JacksonD7's topic on Atheism is a religion https://www.nairaland.com/4289018/atheism-religion#64185467

The Creation Of Organizations

In the course of spreading their religion, atheists have created a number of tools to assist them. They have websites, forums, blogs, YouTube channels, they've written books on theology etc. Every other major religion makes use of these same tools.

It is interesting that JacksonD7 said. "You should also note that you don't have to believe in a deity to be religious. There are such things as non-theistic religions. Buddhists don't believe in any particular god, but would you say Buddhism is not a religion?. Obviously not.

Atheists claim to be non-religious by saying that they don't believe in God or gods. Well, lack of beliefs in God is a philosophy shared by all atheists. That makes atheism a religion, according to the first definition."

Non-theistic religion

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nontheistic_religion

Comparisons Between Atheism And Other Religions

01. An Organized Set Of Beliefs

Every religion, has a collection of principles and beliefs that are shared by adherents of that particular religion. There's beliefs often form the foundations of the religion, and any sects that don't believe in them are considered heretics or unbelievers.

Christianity has God, Jesus, the resurrection, baptism etc

Islam has Allah, Sharia, Ramadan etc

Chapter 2 vs 1 to the end of the "Atheist Scriptural Handbook", states that "Thou shalt believe in"

a. The non-existence of God (there is no God, everything is an accident

b. The big bang (in the beginning nothing exploded and created everything)

c. Abiogenesis (non-living things gave life to living organisms)

d. Evolution (and everything arose as a result of countless accidents over billions of years)

e. Deep time (the Earth is billions of years old, if you think otherwise you must be madly ignorant)"


I spoke to a member of The Nigerian Atheists Organization about the OP. He says he fully agrees with the contents of the OP as it relates to Atheism. He said that he spoke to some members about the high cost and futility of denying that Atheism is a religion.

I am wondering what other senior Atheist members have to say about this, such as;
Mr. Adepoju Adeleke (Abuja), Mr. Andrew Nandip (Plateau state), Mr. Ogunyemi Adekunle (Abuja), Mr. Sambo Gamba (Bauchi state), Professor Tunde Arogundade (Plateau state) and MS. Yemisi Ilesanmi(UK).
Absent: Dr. Ogunlana Adeleke (Kogi state), Mr. Aruson Alaba(Lagos), Mrs Adekunle Ann( plateau state).

That situation becomes unbearable if the person crossing the road so carelessly turns out to be BudaAtum or even Hopefullandlord.

Note how the same false accusations are made against the Holy Prophet TB Joshua by church leaders world wide.

24 hours a day, we are blessed to have the evidence of Jesus’ miraculous WORKS Biblically and scientifically verified in the Holy Scoan Church Nigeria and on Emmanuel TV.

The evidence in the miracles increases faith that lead to salvation of ones soul.
Only the WORKS bear witness of a real pastor, not their elaborate speeches, conferences and motivational speeches.

The holy Prophet TB Joshua is a true Disciple of the living God anointed by Jesus Christ. The Evidence speaks for it self. Don’t be deceived by others.

In these scriptures we see that Jesus Christ is accused of using demonic power to deliver a man from an evil spirit.
Mat 9:32 As they went out, behold, they brought to him a dumb man possessed with a demon.
Mat 9:33 And when the demon was cast out, the dumb man spoke: and all the people were amazed, saying, this was never seen in Israel.
Mat 9:34 But the Pharisees said, He delivers out demons through the prince of the demons(Satan).
Mat 12:23 And all the people were amazed, and said, Is not this the son of David?
Mat 12:24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow can not cast out demons, but by Satan/Beelzebub the prince of the devils.
Mat 12:25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:
Mat 12:26 And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?
Mat 12:27 And if I by Satan/Beelzebub cast out demons, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges.
Mat 12:28 But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is now with you.
Mat 12:34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
Mat 12:35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.

Jesus continues to explain what effect the WORKS/ MIRACLES will have on those that witness it.

Joh 5:23 That all men should honor the Son, even as they honor the Father. He that does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who has sent him.

[b]Firstly, Jesus says clearly that the WORKS that He does, bear witness that the Father has sent him. The evidence of the miracles increases faith that lead to salvation of ones soul.

Here Jesus explains to pastors world-wide and forever, why all the miracles, prophecy, Signs and Wonders are an extremely important part of His Mission and the missions of every future pastor/pope/minister etc.

The mind-blowing experiences in the holy SCOAN is exactly what Jesus achieved and for clarity he said, "Joh 5:36 But I have a greater witness than that of John: for the miracles/ WORKS which the Father has given me to do, the same miracles/ WORKS that I do, bear witness for me, that the Father hath sent me."

There you have it !!! From Jesus himself ! He is saying that the preaching of John, the most powerful witness for the coming of Christ is nothing in comparison to the WORKS/ MIRACLES. Joh 5:36 That why Jesus clearly emphasized that the MIRACLES that He do, bear the most effective witness for Him and his disciples that God sent them.

Why would thousands of FAKE pastors insist that their motivational SPEECHES are all that is needed ?

There is a true disciple of Jesus in Nigeria. He is know to all the world as prophet TB Joshua.

A pastor, minister, evangelist will be known by their WORKS (the combination of miracles, signs and wonders) so that fake pastors can be separated from the real pastors. The wheat is separated from the chaff. The evidence of the miracles in the holy Scoan Church Nigeria, increase faith that lead to salvation of ones soul

Jesus says to all pastors, Disciples/ministers/pastors that humbly want spiritual enlightenment and the power of the Holy Spirit;
Joh 14:12 Truly, Truly, I say to you, He that believes me, the miracles/ WORKS that I do will you also do; and greater (more) miracles/WORKS than these shall you do; because I must soon go unto my Father.

It is not their elaborate speeches, conferences and motivational speeches as is made clear in John 14:12. Only the WORKS bear witness of a real pastor

JacksonD7:
Atheists claim to be non-religious by saying that they don't believe in God or gods. Well, lack of beliefs in God is a philosophy shared by all atheists. That makes atheism a religion, according to the first definition.

You should also note that you don't have to believe in a deity to be religious. There are such things as non-theistic religions. Buddhists don't believe in any particular god, but would you say Buddhism is not a religion?. Obviously not.

Non-theistic religion

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nontheistic_religion

Comparisons Between Atheism And Other Religions

01. An Organized Set Of Beliefs

Every religion, has a collection of principles and beliefs that are shared by adherents of that particular religion. There's beliefs often form the foundations of the religion, and any sects that don't believe in them are considered heretics or unbelievers.

Christianity has God, Jesus, the resurrection, baptism etc

Islam has Allah, Sharia, Ramadan etc

Chapter 2 vs 1 to the end of the "Atheist Scriptural Handbook", states that "Thou shalt believe in"

a. The non-existence of God (there is no God, everything is an accident

b. The big bang (in the beginning nothing exploded and created everything)

c. Abiogenesis (non-living things gave life to living organisms)

d. Evolution (and everything arose as a result of countless accidents over billions of years)

e. Deep time (the Earth is billions of years old, if you think otherwise you must be madly ignorant)

I spoke to a member of The Nigerian Atheists Organization about the OP. He says he fully agrees with the contents of the OP as it relates to Atheism. He said that he spoke to some members about the high cost and futility of denying that Atheism is a religion.

I am wondering what other senior Atheist members have to say about this, such as;
Mr. Adepoju Adeleke (Abuja), Mr. Andrew Nandip (Plateau state), Mr. Ogunyemi Adekunle (Abuja), Mr. Sambo Gamba (Bauchi state), Professor Tunde Arogundade (Plateau state) and MS. Yemisi Ilesanmi(UK).
Absent: Dr. Ogunlana Adeleke (Kogi state), Mr. Aruson Alaba(Lagos), Mrs Adekunle Ann( plateau state).

JacksonD7:
Linger around the threads of nairaland for a while, and you're bound to find some smart quips from the enlightened atheists lurking around. It's not just nairaland, atheism is now a global phenomenon. With millions of wise and rational minds dedicated to tearing down the foundations of religion.

But, if you look at things constructively, you could come to the conclusion that atheists, are in fact more religious than adherents of the religions that they detest. And you would be right, because atheism is actually a religion.

Now before the atheists on this thread, go down to the comments to call me an ignorant fool. Let me list out a couple definitions of religion that I found in dictionaries.

01. An organized set of beliefs about a deity or deities.

02. A personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices.

03. A particular system of faith and worship.

04. The belief in and worship of a supernatural controlling power, especially a personal god or gods.

05. A cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith.

Let's briefly take a look at the first definition, which talks about "an organized set of beliefs about a deity". Take note that it did not say in a deity

Excellent post by the OP. I also agree with what the OP says elsewhere. JacksonD7 says, "All religions require faith, atheism included. Despite what the atheists wants us to believe, it does require a great deal of faith to believe that in the beginning nothing exploded and created something. And something expanded and one day created the Earth.

And someway, somehow for no reason whatsoever, the Earth happened to be in the right spot for life to thrive. And later on, non-living materials have birth to the first living cell. And this cell, mysteriously rearranged itself, became more complex and reproduced. And one day, these complex cells turned into fishes.

And one day these fishes decided to live on land. In time, the amphibious offspring of these fishes gave birth to reptiles, and these reptiles gave birth to mammals.


These mammals then gave birth to apes, and the apes have birth to your human ancestors, who have birth to you. I don't know about you, but for me the entire scenario above, sounds like a plot device from a terrible sci-fi novel.

Yes Sir I fully agree. Then the Apes evolved into Atheists, but the wise apes stayed behind because they did not want to join in the mocking of their creator God. Butterflyl1on and Vaxx has a lot more to say on this.

Fvcknames:
Bro chill on the argument, you are obviously not making any sense to them, the atheists have lost this argument, let it end like that

You are very much wiser than BudaAtum. Well done, you are welcome to view many more losses by Atheists.

vaxx:
lol, this further confirm why I said your will be a very poor student of philosophy..... In critical thinking, evaluating and analysing is the weapon of defence....you will look into my argument, bring out my flaws why making sure ,yours is flawless...... Your brethren can tell here,you did a very poor job by replying with a link to a table picture......academically it will be consider an abuse of logic

I have to agree with you on this Sir. BudaAtum is a poor student of true philosophy, which is the verification of truth.
Did you notice how he continuously insults and falsely accuses Butterflyl1on of a criminal offence with no evidence to prove it?
BudaAtum bases his false accusation on the divination of his friend Oetem who get info from their god Atum.

budaatum:
I am now leaving my meeting. Will read other posts and respond to the worthwhile ones. Sw's though, are not worth the bother!

I agree !!!!

vaxx:
Honestly speaking, the atheist lost this argument.....


Is there anything that we all assume is the same thing? Is there anything that no one has a question about?

There is one thing that they assume is the same, The brain and the mind/spirit. They still talk as though mind/spirit were definitely
located at the brain terminals of the sensory nerves. For the sake of convenience in common talk we may perhaps must continue to speak of the mind as though it were in one's head, but for truth purposes it is reprehensible to do so.

Perception is a mental process, [/b]i.e. thought, and reason demands that the thought be referred to some subject to which it occurs, to some consciousness where the process happens. We must not mistake the movements of material molecules in the fleshly brain for conscious thoughts. Those who cannot grasp the difference between both can never grasp the meaning of sensation —which is the most elementary fact of psychology.

[b]And the first steps in psychology are inescapable steps in philosophy/spiritual truth. No microscope has ever discovered consciousness, and no opening of the skull has ever done it either. It is not observable. It must be treated for what it is—a separate and distinct fact. To treat the physical brain as identical with full consciousness is to deal in pure fancy.


The attempt to explain perception away as being merely a matter of nervous functioning is nothing less than to beg the question.

JacksonD7:
04. The Presence Of Spiritual Leaders

Every religion, has it's great philosophers or spiritual leaders whose ideas shaped the religion. In some cases, the religion would not exist or enjoy mass appeal without that particular leader.

Christianity has Jesus

Islam has Mohammed

Judaism has Moses

Buddhism has Siddharta Gautama (the Buddha)

Scientology has L. Ron Hubbard

Atheism has Richard Dawkins

Most Atheists must be relieved by the truth in the OP. Absolutely true.

Atheism has the Satanist Richard Dawkins !!!

vaxx:
Honestly speaking, the atheist lost this argument.....

Budaatum surprise me ....
Hopefullandlord dodge my question

It is a sad day to see Atheists lose because they have worked so hard for nothing. They spent trillions of dollars on denying that Atheism is a religion, only to shy admit it now. They could have taken the money and bought millions of Scuba diving outfits and go deep sea fishing and also be at home with their cousins the FISH.

On the other hand all is not lost, the fallen tree will awaken the sleeping Cobra in them. They will be asking what is the connection between mind/spirit and phsical matter and what made a simple fallen tree so hard to comprehend.

Only religion, Nobody else, No scientists has ever adequately explained the facts of psychology by the phenomena of physiology. All such efforts have failed because they failed to understand the connection between mind/spirit and matter.

Those Atheists who complacently assert that the crowning function of the nervous system is to "produce" thought beneath the bony rind of the skull assert a miracle more marvellous than any Dark Hole. Let them take up a measuring-rod and mark the distance between one idea and another, between one conscious thought and another.

They cannot do it. For science dont know where the mind begins or ends. Is it not foolish to imply that in nodding their visible heads men nod their invisible minds at the same time ? For under no conceivable circumstances can the mind be seen to reside in the
head. Yet materialistic Atheists accept unthinkingly the vague belief which regards the mind in the same way as it regards material objects.

Scientists cant bring an immaterial presence [b][/b]like mind/spirit together with a material place like the head, for there is no point and no surface in mind to meet any point or surface in the head.

Now that Atheists admit that they are a religion, they will have to come to grips with the fact that they have an invisible spirit/mind.

butterflyl1on:
Wow really? Doesn't it go both ways anymore? Do atheists not see what they want to see and hear what they want to hear and filter the rest?

Grrrr ! They are ducking. Let them consider something else to refresh them.
How does mind make the miraculous leap from a physical to a non-physical immaterial entity like sensation ? How can mind testify to the existence of anything outside itself?

Has an Atheist ever been conscious of the mind taking tfiis distinct step of attending to and interpreting the activity in the grey matter of the brain. To say that we are never aware of the process whereby a sensation is born and to say that the nerve-vibration is
converted into unconscious thought is to take a leap in the dark and to land on entirely different territory.

I am certain that with this new info, they will get back and challenge you and Vaxx again.