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butterflyl1on:
Regarding the last part of this comment of yours where you said your answers are no, no and no. Is this a 100% certainty to you? And if it was totally certain, how then did you arrive at this certainty?

Also, If yes, why then do you suppose atheists still ask for proof of God or evidence of his existence if they are already sure that his lack of existence is a 100% certainty?

Double standards?

butterflyl1on:
You lack any iota of the ability to understand anything.

My comment about negative faith NOT BEING ALWAYS ABSOLUTE and it ALSO BEING IN DEGREES was a response to you, hopefullandlord, superhumanist and budaatum (which was his position until now) and I simply explained that negative faith is not always absolute but varies based on the individual atheist and his personal experiential evidence to that effect.

Be it an absolute negative faith or a negative faith that isn't absolute both of them are derived from each individuals personal experiences but be it absolute or not it does not change the fact that they are working with negative faith since their position is only verifiable largely to themselves and isn't universally verifiable or agreed upon.

So let me ask you this.

DOES A DESIGNER OF THE UNIVERSE EXIST?
DOES GOD EXIST?
DOES YAHWEH EXIST?

I asked 3 different questions so treat them separately.

vaxx:
hopefullandlord,you are asking me a GENERAL question? is it possible to love and be peaceful without GOD and i strongly said no.... and in your second question ? you assume i am of the opinion if there is any atheist without love and peace.. your questions do not follow up at all, i treated them differently.... you should have ask me specifically if there exist an atheist without love and peace......

study your first question with your second question ... you will realize it has no resemblance......

vaxx:
''Atheism is like a fake currency,it is good on the surface but it has no real value'' vaxx

budaatum:
I have reported you again for derailing this thread.

kelvinUchiha:
I have really noticed that most Christians can't really prove that God exists without quoting what happened in the Bible or things God did in the bible.

Based on our current level of advancement in technology and things happening around us, I would like a Good Christian to prove to me God exists.

superhumanist:
Story for the gods.

You can praise butterflyl1on from now till the end times but it won't change the fact that his argument on negative faith was quite foolish.

frank317:
Sigh... report u for what?

budaatum:
I have reported you for derailing this thread.

superhumanist:
"No faith" is now negative faith? Lol.

Then having no hair is negative hair.

No car is negative car


Bloody clown

frank317:
Dont be scared. I am not the owner and I am not gonna bully u. I am not really as bad as u think. I just dont believe in ur God, thats all.

frank317:
You know the creator, show us what makes u different from us that dont know any creator

frank317:
lol.. see this guyoo. why will i ban u. am i the owner of Nairaland?

frank317:
Nah... i will not ban you. I will spank Yahweh's ass.

frank317:
Nah... i will not ban you. I will spank Yahweh's ass

frank317:
you that you have personal knowledge about the creator of the universe... show us what u got. or is it just talk talk. See ur mouth like someone that knows the creator of the world. keep on livin a lie. Dont come out of ur delusion before u turn to a complete mad man

frank317:
You and your God are scared of me? now run under your bed... the punisher is coming

JacksonD7:
And one day these fishes decided to live on land. In time, the amphibious offspring of these fishes gave birth to reptiles, and these reptiles gave birth to mammals.

These mammals then gave birth to apes, and the apes have birth to your human ancestors, who have birth to you. I don't know about you, but for me the entire scenario above, sounds like a plot device from a terrible sci-fi novel.

Despite the odds stacked against it, atheists are still die hard believers of evolution. Despite the frequent dismissals of evolution for lack of evidence, despite the theory defying logic and common sense. Despite atheists not knowing all there is to know about evolution, they still believe that evolution is true.

frank317:
Well if you say I hate your God, so be it... I will stuff hot iron into his anus when ever he crosses my path. he knows i hate him thats why he is scared of me.

frank317:
I repeat... i dont believe God exist because of the lack of knowledge of his existence.

There nothing hard to understand in the statement above

butterflyl1on:
Yes it does. Hate it or love it. Hate Him or love Him. Sleep or no sleep. Death or no death. Pain or pleasure. Life Goes on.

Some learn to move on from the pain and hurt and tears and hate and sleepless nights. But I can see that this is something you have found impossible to do.

Yes life Goes on. Your life has gone on but you chose to carry along all the excessive weight of negativity as you went on. It's so sad that when people are like this, they never stop to do a before and now assessment of their emotions and inner turmoil. If they actually did they would discover that there was so much light and joy and laughter in their hearts and lives before than now.

God bless you and I pray you heal soon and rediscover this God who never stopped loving you despite all your hate toward him and all your impudence.

This is 2018. Learn to live pain free. Hurt free, bitterness free and life would reveal how deeply indeed you are loved.

frank317:
If i, an ordinary human, is capable of hating your so called almighty God then I really must say ur God is useless.

Well if you say I hate your God, so be it... I will stuff hot iron into his anus when ever he crosses my path. he knows i hate him thats why he is scared of me.

butterflyl1on:
You just proved yourself going by your comments to be an antitheist and a Godhater.

Something really nasty must have happened to you in your younger years to bring about this hate filled position of yours. Something that you felt you really needed God or his worshippers to help fix but it still went very bad.

Your other comments about God not existing and even if he did you do not care is just you still rebelling and trying very hard (although futile) to get back at God for that incident.

So sad that you have lived all this while with this much pain and trying so hard to punch God for real but always failing. It must hurt real bad.

Anyway if you accept his existence or not. If you worship him or not, life Goes on.

vaxx:
if you say there is no convincing evidence, do you also have convincing evidence to reject it.... do you now see it goes into each other

butterflyl1on:
You are beyond daft. When did an analogy about faith become an analogy about God and drugs? Are you sure you are not a robot who rubbish goes into and rubbish comes out of?

I am making an analogy about faith and its variants using drugs and you are talking about me comparing drugs to God. Indeed a lot of non intelligent people are everywhere on nairaland.

If I wish to talk about faith and God this is how I will do so right now. You say YOU DO NOT BELIEVE GOD EXISTS or YOU LACK THE BELIEF THAT GOD EXISTS . now this is simply word play because all I need to do is switch the words around like this

YOU BELIEVE GOD DOES NOT EXIST. Let me put it side by side for easier comparison

YOU LACK THE BELIEF THAT GOD EXISTS
YOU BELIEVE GOD DOES NOT EXIST

LACK SIMPLY MEANS BEING WITHOUT OR NOT HAVING WHICH IS A NEGATIVE.

so you have negative faith. Your lack of belief in the existence of God came from a personal non universal experience which cannot be empirically verified.

If your level of reasoning is very low it is not any fault of mine. It simply means you need to do all you can to raise it up which unfortunately your comments here show that even in that department, you are deficient (ANOTHER NEGATIVE).

butterflyl1on:
Budaatum do you see how he went from I don't care to I don't believe because there is no evidence to that effect and now finally back to confessing that



So I was right when I said that evidence or not you don't care. I was also right when said you were angry earlier because it was under such emotions that you actually spoke the truth and later wanted to deny it but here you are finally admitting it after being shown your very words.

butterflyl1on:
Sigh!

But you have been talking about this imaginary God since na without any input from me yet you claim he indeed is imaginary? You well so?

You have a very vivid and tangible imagination

butterflyl1on:
I don't believe God exists because of the lack of knowledge of his existence is quite different from your comment below



So evidence or no evidence you don't care. So it's not about evidence for you.

frank317:
Faith is complete trust in something without proof and u say it has nothing to do with assumption. You say it has to do with research... continue.
You tell me to find God outside the scriptures, christians tell me to find God in the scriptures, who will i believe. Well, i didnt find any God both inside and outside the scriptures. I tried and find out that both u and Christians are confidently living a lie.



Ok


How do i experience real faith? By following some.mumbo jumbo any theist present to me? Do i just wake up in the morning and start experiencing faith?


Haven't u met cool atheist? How many atheists u met preached violence to u?
So how many Christians did u meet that didnt find God in the scriptures?


U want to turn me to a magician?

butterflyl1on:
If you wouldn't mind, I would like you to give me a list of ALL the evidence for God you said is available and we will assess their so called flimsy nature. Mind you, you must be truthful enough to give me ALL.



Your statement here is self refuting. God is already doing so to them that first believe and not to those who first wish to see before they believe. Before you experience something from the one offering the experience he has conditions you must meet and when you fail to meet these conditions and do not get this experience would you blame the experience giver or yourself? How can you expect God to reveal himself to someone whose foundation is a lack of belief of His existence. How does that work? Can I get into a car that I do not see in my spirit? Can I eat and enjoy a meal I openly declared does not exist? Even when I do, I could easily call it a different name just to convince myself that I still did not eat that meal.



Since you have chosen not to meet His condition for the experience I can conclude that you either deliberately do not want him to exist to you or since he exists and your pride has been speaking that he does not exist then you would do or say anything to deny his existence to you.

Like what?