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vaxx:
that is stereotyping, and that will be bias in generalizing a group of people with different faith from mine. the right question should be these , if everybody in the world turn to non believer, how many people will consider the essence of love and peace

Wow. You hit the nail on its head Sir. You highlight the core of Atheists serious weakness - they ask the wrong questions.

From my sharp observations, I categorically state that Atheists will never consider the essence of love and peace!

Can someone please make a short list of what Atheists consider for humanity?

hopefulLandlord:
So, you are of the opinion that there is no loving and peaceful atheist?

No Sir, only pretenders.

budaatum:
Lol.

HHaaaaaaaaa! I am rolling on the floor from laughter. It is good to see someone has a sense of humor.

OkaiCorne:
Every religion has elements of the TRUTH, but TRUTH is not limited to any religion!

You are on a journey like myself on discovering this narrow path of TRUTH...and funny enough I am sure your Journey to atheism started with questions religion could not answer right?

Ericsunday619 has a different reason why he choose Atheism Sir. I know him well.
His journey into mind deadening Atheism started because he was unable to understand the truthful answers religion gave him.

vaxx:
strongly NO..... Humans are naturally violent, and there are valid scientific reasons for this.

Humans fight each other for money, power, land and so on

Exactly ! So here we see how perfectly the Bible and many other religions have WISDOM about this that Atheists lack. It is written, "MAN IS BORN IN SIN." There are scientifically verifiable reasons in the Bible and Koran for this too.

The spirit world rule and have superior power compared with an Atheists poor logic.

budaatum:
Bloody Tree-falling-atheist.

Please read the following again:

Please calm down Sir. Butterlyl1on is totally correct when he says, "The presence or lack thereof of an observer does not alter the fact that a tree fell in the forest. You may not have witnessed or heard the falling of the tree but the evidence of trees lying all over the floor of the forest is proof of an experience you never witnessed." Even though this is correct, I am saying that I cant allow myself to believe it, because I was not there to actually see it for myself. Thats why I dont believe in Dark Matter and Black Holes.

But you have to understand that I am trying to find objective evidence of your remembrance that Vaxx reminds you of a tree that fell in the forest.

vaxx:
the purpose of love and peace without GOD IS USELESS.......WHAT IS THE ESSENCE OF LOVE AND PEACE

The evidence has been tried and tested for thousands of years by all true spiritual religions.

It proves conclusively that GOD is LOVE. When a person exhibits genuine Love, God;s spirit flows through him.
When a person exhibits hate and destruction, Satan's spirit flows through him.

Satanic rituals proves conclusively that Satan is the father of lies and hate.

[quote author=JacksonD7 post=64185377][/quote]Wonderful opening statements made in the OP, but the word "Wise" certainly dont apply objectively.

budaatum:
You remind me of the tree that fell in the forest. The tree and the forest are objects that exist. The argument is whether it really fell if there were no subject to observe it.

You seriously need to learn more about objectivity and subjectivity. You might understand how your subjectivity is devoid of objectivity.

I admire your objectivity but I cant believe that Vaxx reminds you of a tree that fell in the forest. You dont say which forest? You dont provide satelite co-ordinates or any other objective evidence. How can I verify what you say here?

butterflyl1on:
The presence or lack thereof of an observer does not alter the fact that a tree fell in the forest. You may not have witnessed or heard the falling of the tree but the evidence of trees lying all over the floor of the forest is proof of an experience you never witnessed.

I refuse to believe that a tree fell in a forest, if I cant see it falling myself. There must be another reason why it is lying on the ground when I finally got there. No Sir Seeing is believing, hearing is no evidence.

hopefulLandlord:
Is it possible to be loving and peaceful without belief in a god?

Only if you are a good pretender. But remember that the best pretense dont last more than three months.

vaxx:
human stupidity.....whao that is good , send me the link....if you think you are rational for not believing in GOD .... you are deceiving yourself.....TO me all religion are valid , though i may disagree with some of their doctrine but so long it spread peace and love....it is valid...

A non believer of GOD to me is worst than an ingrate

I agree. To me all religions are valid, except the religion of destructive Atheism.

hakeem4:
you behave like someone with tetanus in the brain

I answered your question. Yes a chicken is a fruit. While you believe that you were once a fish then a monkey then an Atheist. What is in your brain Sir ?

butterflyl1on:
This is how they mess up their lives by missing very apparent details right in front of them and in their later years would begin looking for who to blame for their deformed, malfunctioning lives.

Very true.

hakeem4:
is chicken a fruit?

Yes it is !! If a human can be a fish or a monkey, why cant a fish be a fruit. You ask great questions Sir.

Martinez19:
This why I opened my thread on human stupidity.

AAhhhhhh. You have finally opened a thread about yourself.

butterflyl1on:
Please don't pollute this thread with deep ignorance. Your comment above shows how limited your reasoning is and how you find extremely impossible to reason outside the box.

Lack of belief is not religion because religion is not based on belief ALONE.

atheism is a religion because it is not based on a lack of belief alone.

I hope you can link the two if you really try.

Yes I agree. Atheism is a religion. It a very different religion from all other religions.

IT IS A RELIGION OF HATE AND DESTRUCTION !!

butterflyl1on:
The olodo rabata is actually you (as always).

If you check definition 4 and 5 on what religion is you will see how atheism is a religion.

Number 4 says "any practice that someone or some group is seriously devoted to.

Are you devoted to atheism and the practices they come with like

1. No harm in premarital sex
2. Deception is cool if you can get away with it.
3. Life is nothing but to live and die since there is no after life
And so on. Are atheists devoted to these things, YES
So atheism is a religion.

Number 5 makes it even simpler for it says faithfulness to a given principle. Number 4 is the modern version of number 5 so both are talking about devotion to a cause, a practice, a principle.

Atheism is a religion.

You see when you read dictionary meanings don't just stop there. Dissect them so you can be better informed and not deformed as you currently seem to be.

Check the definitions of principle and practice I attached to buttress my above pointers. Look carefully at the number 1 definitions from each screengrab.

Absolutely brilliant Butterflyl1on. You understand the deeper truths of what the OP is revealing to the world.

Many thanks to JacksonD7 !!

Daviddson:
You couldn't have said it better than this.

THE SPIRITUAL REALITY EMBEDDED IN ALL WORLD RELIGIONS HAS CONQUERED THE RELIGIOUS SECTION.

The mental accent of Atheist thinking is to inferior to dominate. SPIRIT RULES !!!!

OkCornel:
I'll explain the process better. Atheism with an open mind was what I meant. I didn't have an attitude of hatred towards anything really. My mind was quite blank and neutral to spiritual matters...just as how a baby's mind is pretty much blank when he or she is birthed into this world.

That was what I meant as "atheism" being my first step...or unless I'm mistaking that for agnosticism...but the basic thing was...I had to format my mental hard disk drive on matters relating to religion, doctrine, spirit world and all that stuff...

Then I allowed the TRUTH to start the rebuilding process.

The first question I asked myself was this: "Do I have to be a Christian or Muslim or whatever to believe there will be a sun in the sky tomorrow?"

I'll explain my "born again" experience and put a link to a diary I was updating with my alternate moniker in the next post on this thread.

Thank you for taking the time to explain all this Sir. I know that it is extremely difficult to put spiritual experiences into words.
I think you are doing a wonderful job. May the Holy Spirit continue to empower you in the light.
I will go view your diary, thanks for sharing.

Allow me to add something very, very powerful that the mighty Jesus Christ said to guide our thinking about unbelievers/Godhaters;

1)Have you ever wondered why many people have a hard time honoring Jesus?
Here Jesus explains this problem very clearly.
Joh 6:65 And Jesus said, I have said to you, that no one can come to me and believe the WORKS I am doing, except if the true God sends them to me.


2) Joh 5:22 For the true God judge no man, but has committed all judgment unto the Son:

3) Joh 5:23 That all men should honor the Son, even as they honor the Father. He that does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who has sent him.

OkCornel:
There's another perspective to it though. Atheists here may not be ready for the TRUTH yet because they are not ripe enough to...but I'm certain the open minded ones among them will get there.

It's just that, when you feed a newborn baby...you don't force meat on the baby...rather, milk would be appropriate.

I am still trying to connect the dots on the milk that can apply to an open minded atheist though. But, the answer will certainly come. If the Eternal Creator has not given up on them...neither will I relent.

May His Spirit be with us all...now and always. Amen.

Excellent points Sir, May the Holy Spirit release His power through you for the glory of the creator God.

damosky12:
Oga... Don't come and derail this thread. I once took you up, correcting your errors but you seem fixated in Jesus' parables and James. The Bible is replete with teachings on how a Christian is saved by faith alone and not by works.

Please, I don't have time to go into a fruitless discussion

Yes, we witness daily the saving grace of faith. After that comes the works. Jesus said, "You will know them by their works."
It is also written that, "Faith without works are dead." One can FAKE the Faith, but not the works.

OkCornel:
I fully accept what you said here. But per the bolded (red), let me clear the air a bit.

People react differently when they "feel" they have been deceived by religion and religious people for so long. When they realize this...some may not manage their emotions (hatred and anger) properly...and they vent it blindly on the religious system and God eventually.

Then there are others who are hurt quite alright...but they get a grip on their emotions unlike Cain...and they handle the situation well...until they have a personal encounter with God to know Him for who He truly is.

Not all atheists are the same. Some are reasonable..then some are fanatical in their hatred.

Thank you kindly for clearing the air about the bolded(Red). I sense that you have a heart for the lost, Sir.

It will be of great benefit and personal protection to true Christians to obey the wise biblical instruction; DO NOT THROW YOUR PEARLS OF WISDOM TO THE SWINE, THEY WILL TRAMPLE ON IT, THEN TURN AND REND YOU.

Jesus said it this way, "THE harvest is ripe........
We know that a good farmer will not send his workers into the farm to pick unripe fruit.

Only the ripe fruit will be picked. Atheists here are not ready for ultimate TRUTH.
Those that are ripe can quickly see real life evidence of the superior power of ultimate TRUTH by viewing Emmanuel TV and others.

OkCornel:
Very true...but then, I pray for them...rather than argue with or condemn them. I even learnt something (accidentally though) from one of them...and it gave me more insight on the Eternal Creator.

Going by logic...every new born baby is an atheist...as they grow in life...they eventually find God.

Atheism was my first step (baby step) to enlightenment.

Now I have a more fulfilling relationship with the Eternal Creator more than all the years I spent in religion...

I'd rather try to understand their pains and thought process...like myself, they are also on a journey to the TRUTH, and I pray they get there too.

OkCornel Sir, I admire and respect what you are saying here. But I disagree with your statement highlighted in red and would like to expand on it for the benefit of sincere truth seekers. Tamethem or Felixomor, Butterflyl1on, Vaxx, Sonofthunder etc can certainly explain it much better.

Atheism as seen on Nairaland can never be a first step, a baby step to enlightenment, rather it is a big step into a terrifying darkness. No self respecting person can claim they are seeking truth, while at the same time mock and seek to destroy the effective spiritual doctrines of billions of decent peace loving people. Sir, it maybe your innocent choice of words that has provoked a different responds.

Atheism can never be a path to enlightenment. It is a system of thought engineered by High-Level Satanists to recruit the unwary into an experience of hate and destruction of all that is good in mankind.

MaziOmenuko:
I have a feeling he is already Agnostic; but just moving with the flow so he can still have an audience.

Just like Hardmirror said, its always a little here, a little there...you cannot have that type of guts to challenge church principles and still be a christian. Truth is, a whole lot of other christian principles and teachings doesn't make sense: trinity, virgin birth, blood cleansing of sin (human sacrifice) especially considering the fact that these where pagan believes before christianity adopted and integrated them.

We all started this way; question some believes that were not logical, research on history of the bible and christianity in general. No one gets those info in all honesty and still remains a christian unless out of society pressure.

AAhhh! I see you have also been indoctrinated by Hardmirror. Choose a wiser mentor !

OkCornel:
Insightful research you have done here.

However, there's something I've noticed about religion that creates atheists. If you carefully study the evolution of all religions around the world today..you'll find out that the original message of the founders most likely have been twisted with a few lies which births faulty doctrines.

I will simplify my comments on this for the benefit of the humble. I must emphasize that the core of the gospels are spiritual, it is not secular.
I can agree with you that some Atheists are birthed when the promises in the Gospels dont materialize/manifest in their churches, thereby creating doubts. If Atheists were as honest and smart as you say they are, they would have quickly found, that the real solution for their doubts are not embedded in what you say it could be. Their solution will not be found in the "study of the evolution of all religions." Nor will it be found in comparing the original doctrines with so-called twisted lies.

The core of the gospels are deeply spiritual not secular. The Gospels can never be examined the way the Atheists examine it and expect to extract truth. This is totally impossible.

Your following comment is loaded with serious contradictions when you say, "I noticed that these atheists are actually honest with themselves and are smart to pick out these fallacies...but in the course of identifying these fallacies, they get annoyed and throw out the baby (truth) with the bathing water (lies)."

Experience proves that an honest, smart person will never throw the baby out with the bath water. That is the actions of a madman. Your comments has actually served to highlight the serious mental deficiencies of the Atheists mind and its inherent dangers to humanity, especially when they get into positions of power.
I am certain that many esteemed Nairalanders can explain this much better such as; Sonofthunder, Butterflylion, Vaxx, Bennyann, Bloodofthelamb,
KingEbukasBlog,

Salvation101, Felixomor, Scholar8200, Veron265, SpeedndAccuracy, Daviddson, An2elect2 , overcomersfaith,
MsNgo40, Julivas,
jiggaz,
JesusSonOfGod,
Goshen360,
Oracle16, flamingREED, ichuka, petra1, salvation101, 5solas, analice107, temitemi,

The core of the gospels are deeply spiritual therefore it is impossible for an Atheist/Godhater to enter into that hallowed ground to gather verified truth.

This man is truly a powerful example to the world.

Mat 12:28 But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is now with you.
Mat 12:34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
Mat 12:35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.

hakeem4:
i wish i could volunteer myself if i was less busy and if the place was close by. why can't the guy test it on a dog and send the video of the dog before the charm and after the charm

all these charm guys are all magicians joor

Hakeem4 you make a great investigator. Tell us what you see on this short video clip.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVrFKtu_3mM

sonofthunder:
Isaiah 41:10 Fear thou not; for I am with thee: be not dismayed; for I am thy God: I will strengthen thee; yea, I will help thee; yea, I will uphold thee with the right hand of my righteousness. 41:11 Behold, all they that were incensed against thee shall be ashamed and confounded: they shall be as nothing; and they that strive with thee shall perish. 41:12 Thou shalt seek them, and shalt not find them, even them that contended with thee: they that war against thee shall be as nothing, and as a thing of nought. 41:13 For I the LORD thy God will hold thy right hand, saying unto thee, Fear not; I will help thee.

Awesome Sir. Thank you.