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I agree, they were middle aged adults.

OtemSapien:
Thanks. But scam waters can do spiritual wonders, or what do you think?

The water is spiritually charged, that is why it is so powerful as a medium to help with healing, etc. I doubt that you can understand this, but you should ask Sarassin to explain spiritual things to you. He can explain much better than I.

Mswahili1:
Thank you very much @ scienceWatch for your revelation and encouraging answer. Personally English is not my first language as ever since I was born I only speak Swahili but hopefully I'm making sense with my writings here.

Matter of fact, do you really recommend my divine visitation to SCOAN!? Is there any noble advice i can get from you in order to survive in this messy?

My approach is only to provide you with information to help you decide. Consider the groups and persons that went to SCOAN to investigate rather than sit on their toilet seats and believe the lies that Satanists are feeding them.

Scoan Church Nigeria was personally examined by the following highly respected persons;
1) PROMINENT DUTCH THEOLOGIAN PROFESSOR WILLEM J. OUWENEEL ABOUT PROPHET T.B. JOSHUA AND THE SCOAN, LAGOS, NIGERIA. Professor Ouweneel holds doctorates in biology (Utrecht), philosophy (Amsterdam) and theology (Bloemfontein, RSA).
He concluded that his experience at Scoan was awesome.

2) Renowned global evangelist, P.S. Upthegrove who had successfully pastored AA Allen’s church as a minister.
He concluded that he was on Holy ground at Scoan.
He recounted how seeing such power demonstrated reminded him of all he had witnessed through ministers of God such as Oral Roberts, AA Allen, William Branham and RW Shambach who he had the privilege to work with and know personally.

3) Group from New Zealand:
Among our group there were three senior pastors, two evangelists and two men leading major Christian work in New Zealand. Between us we had 180 years of ministry.
Our conclusion was that this is truly a work of God.

4) The Religious Monitoring Group have investigated Joshua and the Synagogue, Church of All Nations and have concluded that he is a man of God.

5) God only reveals His top secrets to those He loves. He revealed the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ to Prophet Isaiah. In the same vein, Jesus Christ revealed who Prophet TB Joshua is to His beloved servant, late Prophet (Dr.) Akin Adewole, shepherd of the Celestial Church of Christ, Opopo Igbala Parish, Ikola Road, Ipaja, Lagos sometime in 1995.
He concluded that TB Joshua is a Prophet of God.

OtemSapien:
Can't you advise the guy on how to locate you so that you can take him to SCOAN? At least he would have access to the morning water and the evening water if the prophet of scam himself isn't easy to reach

Yes, I will help him were he feels necessary.

This a serious matter, you crude sarcasm here is not appreciated. Grow up Sir.

OtemSapien:
I never claimed to worship science pls, don't put words in my mouth. I think Mswahili1 should try TB Joshua out first and let's see how far it goes.

I will never put words in your mouth. Am I understanding you wrong after you said this, "(2) Atum and all other gods of science detest being followed, therefore there shouldn't be any term like 'followers of Atum."

To me it seems like you are implying that Atum is a god of science.

Sarassin:
I feel that OP has not succinctly described the matter but seems to be fully certain that he is facing a spiritual problem. This may partly be due to a language barrier, but to me the symptoms he presents seem to me to be within the purview of medical diagnosis. Mental health issues are insidious and pervasive and I would not wish to make light of the OP's issue.

I am not in the business of proving anything to anyone, I merely offered help in the event that he had exhausted medical opinions, where no tangible help seemed forthcoming, should I decide to work with him I give freely of what was given to me freely. He has asked for help we should be constructive.

I have a high regard for your learned opinions on these matters Sarassin, we must move away from overly depending on medical opinion. I am disgusted at the serious trap medical science has laid for humanity. Yet as you say we must remain constructive in the suffering of others.

I like the quick fix medical science offers in the form of tooth extraction, pain relief, fractured bone alignment, but I am very wary of operations and their medications with built-in bonus illnesses. I trust Mswahili1, will consider your generous offer.

OtemSapien:
Some people have gone beyond redemption point. Keep swimming in the pool of delusion. Even I, god Otem, can't help you out of your mentality. I surrender

Thanks for surrendering gracefully. But before you go OtemSapien, you claim to worship science so let us use Mswahili1's problem as a test of verifiable truth.

You, Sarassin and myself can get together and present Mswahili1 with deal. Lets put our money were our mouth is.

Example, let Mswahili1 choose any treatment method we propose, if it fails we pay his costs.

Mswahili1:
Thank you very much @ scienceWatch for your revelation and encouraging answer. Personally English is not my first language as ever since I was born I only speak Swahili but hopefully I'm making sense with my writings here.

Matter of fact, do you really recommend my divine visitation to SCOAN!? Is there any noble advice i can get from you in order to survive in this mess?

Swahili is also common in Namibia. Mswahili1, you are brilliant at explaining the terrible symptoms of spiritual attacks. Well done !!

Sarassin is correct when he told you that, "Travelling to Nigeria to seek Divine healing is tantamount to embarking on a
wild goose chase." I admire you unique intelligence here in seeking verifiable evidence before making a move.

I am not recommending SCOAN church for any personal gain, but my aim is to humbly direct you to any source of information that is easy and powerful enough to help you decide for yourself. On Emmanuel TV you will have the bonus study material of global live testimonies
that are impossible to fake. No church has the resources to fake what is happening daily in the SCOAN and in the many crusades overseas.

All the lies about the SCOAN over the last 34yrs are cruel propaganda designed to destroy the evidence of a living and loving God.

“I am satisfied as to the integrity of T.B. Joshua's ministry says Professor Ouweneel. I have no doubt about that. I asked him some difficult questions just to find out for myself about his personal honesty, and I have been satisfied as to that. Also I believe him to be thoroughly sound on all the basic doctrines of Christianity. It is only when people consciously or unconsciously misread certain statements that misunderstandings and mean insinuations are born. But you can do that with anyone's ministry, take sermons apart and condemn the preacher. That has been done with T.B. Joshua. But on the whole he is absolutely sound when it comes to all the major points of Christian doctrine.”

Prof. Willem Ouwenel states. ”I have seen many of the false criticisms about Prophet TB Joshua on websites and in newspapers and I am very angry with some of the criticisms as they are totally unfair and just repeating the mistakes (or even lies) others have made.
My view is that pastors can use Emmanuel TV and TB Joshua youtube.com videos to study the incredible mass deliverances happening daily in the Scoan Church Nigeria.

Mswahili1:
I'm very captivated with your willingness to help out but you have to trust me this sickness has nothing to do with the though or brain stuffs....I have been attended with the best psychiatric doctors for such a long time and all of them didn't trace any link with the psychotic issue and they advice me to seek spiritual deliverance because they can't trace anything related to their professional.

As for the nature of the sickness I'm feeling severe headache, heaviness in my chest, body temperature rise up uncontrollably, relationship broke with no reasons, people hate with no reasons, angry all the time. E.t.c

Mswahili1, you must ask Sarassin and OtemSapien to respectfully provide you with evidence and at least 20 personal testimonies
of persons that were healed from similar problems like yours. Also ask how long their treatments will take to get you effectively healed.

Mswahili1, you have seen how fake Psychiatry and Psychology has set themselves up as bastions of mental and emotional healing, but you have seen that they are impotent. They have wasted your time and money, they have prolonged you suffering. They never had a cure in the first place, they simply want to scam humanity.

WHAT A THEOLOGY PROFESSOR SAID ABOUT TB JOSHUA. Professor Ouweneel is a theology and philosophy professor at several colleges and theological faculties. He is the author of over 100 books. He lives in the Netherlands, where he was born.
Here is an extract from Professor Ouweneel’s experience at the Holy Scoan Church Nigeria ;

Professor Ouweneel says, ”I was very much impressed by what I saw, heard and experienced there. Not so much only in seeing the miracles that happened and the sermons that were given, but particularly the spiritual experience in my own soul when I was there. That is something that everyone who doesn't go there in person will miss.

He states. ”I have seen many of the false criticisms about Prophet TB Joshua on websites and in newspapers and I am very angry with some of the criticisms as they are totally unfair and just repeating the mistakes (or even lies) others have made. They are people who are not in a position to really judge, people who pick on certain sentences in sermons which they do not understand in the African context and in the context of the rest of his ministry. That is a very cheap way of criticizing. It reminds me very strongly on what the Pharisees did who judged the Lord Jesus from their own framework of thought and put him in the category of the devil (Matthew 12).

iamgenius:
You guys can't help him with anything spiritual, I want to help him by the grace of Allah.

How are you going to do that ?
Are you going to convince Mswahili1 that the mighty Jesus is impotent to heal him quickly and most effectively ?

Mswahili1 is not stupid, he knows by know that the real problems in Christianity is not Jesus. but the thousands of fake pastors that are not spiritually connected to the kingdom of God. The millions of Christian members are innocent in all this. It is the pastors responsibility to
get his spiritual recognition in heaven before the Holy Spirit will work through him. THAT IS WHY THERE ARE NO HEALING in most churches.

iamgenius:
You guys can't help him with anything spiritual, I want to help him by the grace of Allah.

How are you going to do that ?
Are you going to convince Mswahili1 that the mighty Jesus is impotent to heal him quickly and most effectively ?

Mswahili1 is not stupid, he knows by know that the real problems in Christianity is not Jesus. but the thousands of fake pastors that are not spiritually connected to kingdom of God. The millions of Christian members are innocent in all this. It is the pastors responsibility to
get his spiritual recognition in heaven before the Holy Spirit will work through him. THAT IS WHY THERE ARE NO HEALING in most churches.

Mswahili1:
I'm very captivated with your willingness to help out but you have to trust me this sickness has nothing to do with the though or brain stuffs....I have been attended with the best psychiatric doctors for such a long time and all of them didn't trace any link with the psychotic issue and they advice me to seek spiritual deliverance because they can't trace anything related to their professional.

As for the nature of the sickness I'm feeling severe headache, heaviness in my chest, body temperature rise up uncontrollably, relationship broke with no reasons, people hate with no reasons, angry all the time. E.t.c

Let me put you heart at rest Sir. Mswahili1, I believe your story. Your first instinct to go to the mighty SCOAN church is correct. I am not saying that there are not a few other LIVING CHURCHES for you to choose from to fix your serious problem.

You are intelligent, do your research before you choose. Personally I have studied SCOAN for about 24 months via Emmanuel TV and Youtube. It has greatly increase my faith in the true God of this universe. I then went to SCOAN to investigate for myself and found that what I had studied is only a shadow of the real power operating in that church.

I wish you every success on the choice you make.

Psychiatry is the science of death and destruction of human life.

endtime1:
I will rather advice you come to rccg redemption camp ground km 46 Lagos ibadan express way Nigeria you will surely be healed by God

It would be most caring of you if you can post Mswahili1 some info of how he can access personal testimonies of others that have been healed at RCCG.

Mswahili1 would appreciate it greatly if we can direct him to information that he can study on his own and then make up his own mind.
This is the best way to help someone in a world were there is so much false and hateful propaganda against other living churches.

One more important thing : The SCOAN church is not looking for members. The kind and humble man TB Joshua always sends people back to their churches after they are healed. He simply want to be left alone to do his God given work as an intermediary in the work of healing, deliverance and blessing.

OtemSapien:
There is no such thing as spiritual attack my brother. Whatever is wrong with you is physical and medical, pls see a doctor or if you can explain everything clearly, I can tell you what to do to end your problems.
Please don't go to SCOAN, it is not what you think it is. It is a centre of scammers. No healing has ever taken place there. All you see on the screen are mere make-believe. Many SCOAN members, RCCG members, etc are going about still with their sicknesses in Nigeria here, don't come and join the queue.
Visit the hospital, see a psychologist.

This is a token of advice from OTEM.

Mswahili1, do not listen to OtemSapien for advice on your spiritual problems. Thousands of decent people are testifying daily in the magnificent SCOAN church of the impotence/failure of medical science to heal them. Take their personal live testimonies seriously and learn the truth for yourself.

I will never criticize other churches, but my advice to you is simple. Find a church where the Holy Spirit shows His power. The reason why I always recommend other to use Emmanuel TV or SCOAN Youtube is because of easy access. The personal testimonies are very powerful and true.

I wish you all the best in making the correct choice after studying the personal testimonies of others.

iamgenius:
Send me a mail.

Mswahili1 be warned, if you send this Jesus hater your email you will never ever get to your healing.

iamgenius is a strange and dangerous combination of Muslim and Low-level Atheists. Carefully check his topics and mentions and see how he eagerly wants to destroy the deity of the mighty Jesus Christ.

OtemSapien:
hmm, a beginning of staging miracles. Don't you see many amputees all over? Take one of them there na.

I examined the cowardly manner that Low-level Atheists use in their interrogation of Muslim and Christian faiths.
By now it is obvious to the world that Atheists have a cruel and cowardly agenda to fulfill their prophet Richard Dawkins dream of destroying all religions.

GodsMopol and others should heed this warning to all Muslims and Christians :

Never attempt to prove the existence of God to Atheists, Agnostics, Otems etc.

1) GOD HAS ALREADY PROVEN HIMSELF TO ALL HUMANITY.

2) OBEY THE COMMAND : DONT THROW YOUR PEARLS TO THE SWINE/UNBELIEVERS !

All miracles are solely manifested at the discretion of God, the Genuine pastor or Prophet has no control over whether an amputee will be healed or not. Because of the easy access to Emmanuel TV, millions of genuine truth seekers have said with one voice, "God is a million times greater than the gods of science."

OtemSapien:
1) The Doctufos of truth is not a book of philosophy but a history of many important things...........

2) Atum and all other gods of science detest being followed, therefore there shouldn't be any term like 'followers of Atum'.

3) However, what Atum and other good gods at this era wish for humanity is to look inward into themselves to discover whom they are and manifest as themselves rather than manifesting as whom they are not.

4) E.g, you have a name, a soul purpose, but you have left your purpose on earth to talk about TB Joshua a scammer almost all your life. That's a misplaced priority.

If I summarize your reply, you present the facts below of what your science god offers humanity;

1) The Doctufos of truth is a history book.

2) Atum and all other gods of science detest being followed.

3) Atum wish for humanity to manifest as themselves. (No evolution ?)

4) Atum reveals to you that a humble man in Africa that consistently uses God's power to fix problems that science can never fix, is a scammer.

It is now obvious to me that your scientific god Atum is envious of the true Gods powerful demonstrations that are flooding the world via the propaganda shattering medium of Emmanuel TV.
There is enough evidence that science is the great destroyer of all life.

OtemSapien:
I am an Otem, a very high consciousness of God Almighty. Atum is in his own realm and he doesn't speak to any Tom, Dick and Harry when there are more important things to do. He and other good gods have to keep eye on the prisoners like Yahweh, Allah, Moloch, Eshu and all unrepentant religious gods who don't want people like you to start using their brains.

May I ask you Sir, on your spiritual level as an Otem, what practical value do you offer the followers of Atum ?

I have read most of your writings on Atum, and it seems that it is made up of a brain-storming on the reality of a god. Just like all philosophies it remains void of any spiritual power or any verifiable evidence of spiritual power.

1) Is the Doctufus of truth a mere philosophy ?
2) If it is a true spiritual reality, what benefits does belief in it provide.

OtemSapien, your reply to all the points above will be much appreciated.

GodsMopol:
The cage that will attempt to cage Yahweh will melt before it get to even know what's its intended for

You are making a valid point here Sir.

GodsMopol:
Hulala, that's the bomb

A cell surviving the Nevada desert with the temperature there, oooooooh, that cell is worth worshipping

I am sure that everyone knows that the first living thing to evolve was AN ADULT MICROSCOPIC AMOEBA so that it can reproduce.
If that did not happen, we would not be here today.

Samsimple:
"ohh my God!!!" God exclaimed "
johnydon22 you are not serious oohh

Lol. The OP did say, " I am just a writer dusting my imaginations a bit. grin"

NPComplete:
How far sciencewatch? I have been meaning to ask u where ur twin brother oaroloye is. Hope u are still hearing from him.

I am still reading. waiting on the release of "LEGENDS OF AMADIOHA."
Like all twin-brothers, we are spiritual opposites. Pastor Bronchitis Oaroloye supports a winning team Manchester, while I support a losing/comedy SA team called Bafana.

He loves spiritual fiction, while I love spiritual truth.
He loves hate, while I love, love.

Pastor Bronchitis Oaroloye will be back with new explosive high value topics such as;
How to build a re-saleable Internet business from home.
How to choose high profit margin products and where to source it.
How to test your beliefs to know its real value. etc, etc,

4kings:
Are you south african?

No, but I have been there years back on holiday. I choose the soccer team Bafana Bafana because they are the funniest team the world has ever seen.

4kings:
Are you south african?

Lol, no

NPComplete:
How far sciencewatch? I have been meaning to ask u where ur twin brother oaroloye is. Hope u are still hearing from him.

Pastor Bronchitis Oaroloye will be back soon. He now knows the difference between spiritual facts and FICTION. He is a tough guy. He will teach the highest value spiritual things to the world when he comes back here.

Pastor Bronchitis Oaroloye has also learned that
Because of the global exposure of SCOAN on Emmanuel TV and the global testimonies of millions, he has lost his 34yr cowardly war against TB Joshua's kindness and mercy toward humanity.

Sarassin has also had a hugely positive impact on Oaroloye's transformation from fiction to reality.

OtemSapien:
Ha, ha, ha, ha
cc: Hopefullandlord, 4kings, Ranchoddas, Dalaman, Realmindz, Hahn, Sciencewatch

Na, I am a Bafana supporter.

Ubenedictus:
you want to hide a historical fact by talking jargon.

oya continue

Studies has shown that sexually abused children have issues with sexual dysfunction and self-destructive behavior when they get older. More recently child sexual abuse has also been linked to psychotic behaviour at the most serious extreme of mental health problems. Sexual abuse is any sexual contact between a child and an adult, or using a child for sexual purposes.

It's often done by someone the child knows and trusts. A child is anyone under the age of 19. Sexual exploitation is another form of child sexual abuse. It happens when a child is talked into or forced into sex acts in exchange for things like money, drugs, food or shelter.

Women who experienced childhood sexual abuse may have a higher risk of experiencing anxiety disorders (such as post-traumatic stress disorder), depression, eating disorders, dissociative disorders and personality disorders.

We should invite Vaxx, BlueAgent, Sarassin and Butterflyl1on

Ubenedictus:
you want to hide a historical fact by talking jargon.

oya continue

It is the principle that is in question here. Is it right to have sex with a baby girl ?

Is it right to have sex with a baby girl? Under what conditions will it be acceptable ? Could it be acceptable if it was 700AD or
2017 ?

OtemAtum:
Murhamid is a beast. As in, how can a sane person marry a child of eight years and some months? SMH for him

After witnessing these guys encourage Child-Abuse, I took my baby girl to have a Tracking device fitted under her skin. I also had a hidden Wire-less camera sewn into all her sweaters and jackets.

What more must I do to protect my baby girl ?

umarshek6:
I c no reason y a true muslim or mu'umin will want to marry a christian lady unless if it's lust or she be witched him

What if the lady in question was an 8yr old baby ?

Marriage is a spiritual covenant. The marriage covenant/vows can be sourced from only two spiritual forces - Dark or light.

When A man decides to engage in a marriage covenant from the light, he will never take a baby with him to the alter. God is light !

At puberty a baby changes to the intermediary stage/teenager, to prepare to become a woman which takes another 7 to 10 yrs.

What stops a man from choosing a grown woman to marry, instead of a baby ?

Samsimple:
Let me invite scienceWatch

Yes, I am reading. When will his book, "LEGENDS OF AMADIOHA" be ready ?

Samsimple:
Let me invite scienceWatch

Thanks Samsimple, invite accepted. It seems you have forgotten to include Butterflyl1on and Vaxx. :et the fun begin !