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Dalam0n:
Religious logic:
Believing in ancient mythical and fictional narratives written by mostly unknown ancients that have no evidence at all.

Dalam0n, you would have succeeded at deceiving the masses before the advent of Emmanuel TV and its daily demonstrations of the mind-blowing power of an ancient Deity as revealed in ancient doctrines written by unknown ancient men.

The tangible evidence that these unknown ancients documented for the awesome benefit of the world has continuously been scientifically verified.

Medical doctors bring their patients for effective healing of problems that science is impotent to deal with. Many doctors have traveled from all over the world to come for their own solution because science has failed them. They all testify personally with one voice to the world that the "ancient fictional Jesus"
is alive.

Dalam0n:
Lies, there are no prediction within the bible that is true or beyond its time.

"Sometimes, Christians look you in the eye and tell you in deadly earnest, "God gave you His Word. You either believe it or you don't. It's up to you."

Honestly, even if these men were alive today and I could talk to them, I would be reluctant to believe their stories without compelling evidence. But they offered no evidence at all.

Thank you, but no thank you". -Bill Flavell

The bolded in Dalam0n's post is proven here to be false.

Jesus is recognized as both Yahweh and Elohim in the prophecy in Isaiah 40:3: “Prepare the way of the LORD [Yahweh]; make straight in the desert a highway for our God [Elohim].'
This verse was written in reference to John the Baptist preparing for the coming of Christ (as confirmed in John 1:23) and represents one of the strongest affirmations of Christ’s deity in the Old Testament. In Isaiah 9:6, we likewise read a prophecy [/b]of Christ with a singular variant (El) of Elohim: “And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God [El], Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.”

[b]Dalam0n's statement that "there are no prediction/prophecy within the bible that is true or beyond its time" proves that he enjoys speculation rather than verifiable truth.
The reader should study the worlds greatest spiritual learning TV channel, Emmanuel TV for scientifically verifiable evidence that points to the positive affirmation that every teaching on Jesus Christ is true, past present and future.

Let me preface this by saying that I resisted starting this thread for a long time but I can’t resist it anymore.

Please, if anyone is up for it, let’s use this thread to discuss Christ.

This isn’t a thread to impose your definition on what Christ is but rather a place for discovery. A place for people to come and understand just what Christ is.

I’ll join and state my own opinions and what Christ means to me.

Jesus Christ possesses divine names — names that can only be used of God.

For example:
Jesus is Yahweh. Yahweh is a very common Hebrew name for God in the Old Testament, occurring over 5,300 times. It is translated LORD (all capitals) in many English translations of the Bible.
We first learn of this name in Exodus 3, where Moses asked God by what name He should be called. God replied to him, “I AM WHO I AM. . . .Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you”.

Yahweh is basically a shortened form of “I AM WHO I AM” (verse 15). The name conveys the idea of eternal self-existence. Yahweh never came into being at a point in time for He has always existed.
Jesus implicitly ascribed this divine name to himself during a confrontation He had with a group of hostile Jews. He said, “I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM” (John 8:58). Jesus deliberately contrasted the created origin of Abraham—whom the Jews venerated—with His own eternal, uncreated nature as God.

Jesus is Kurios. The New Testament Greek equivalent of the Old Testament Hebrew name Yahweh is Kurios. Used of God, Kurios carries the idea of a sovereign being who exercises absolute authority. The word is translated Lord in English translations of the Bible.

vaxx:
hmmmmm....I love your opening mind on the subject.... All wise leaders know religion and traditions should never be uprooted....

I welcome your view bro...Truth transcend all barriers........

what is this truth? should we depend on foreign race to demonstrate to us what should be the truth?

We should embrace verifiable TRUTH wherever it may come from.

vaxx:
hmmmmm....I love your opening mind on the subject.... All wise leaders know religion and traditions should never be uprooted....

I welcome your view bro...Truth transcend all barriers........

what is this truth? should we depend on foreign race to demonstrate to us what should be the truth?

What is this truth? Mmmm. I appreciate it that you refrained from asking, "What is truth." Your wise question is not open ended like the mad man Pontius Pilate who asked Jesus Christ, "What is truth."

I was containing the overflow from my response to the verifiable and demonstrable truths in all religions regardless of race, country, etc.

There is no doubt that science occupies its inescapable place in our lives, however ungrateful we may be. Its capacity for harming mankind through war and violence, however regrettable it be, can be entirely removed in one way alone, and that is through bringing verifiable and demonstrable religious truths into mankind's view to balance the beast in man.

We must be mindful of a warning based on facts known to practicing psychiatrists and professional psychologists. The mental faculty of logic or reasoning may be highly developed so far as its application to a special sphere of interest is concerned, and yet in the same man it may be almost entirely misapplied or at best working weakly when a different sphere comes into question. Such as religion.

This is the singular phenomenon called schizophrenia, or mind-splitting. For example, a man may have risen rapidly to the forefront of his profession through the effective use of logic or reason, and yet as soon as his attention is turned to other matters or religion no belief may be too stupid to engage his wholehearted agreement!

One often see that one and the same man may be a child in religious matters and an adult in business affairs ; consequently he
may be mentally apart, yet bodily together !

Now my answer to your question, "What is this truth" can be better explored when we start to see more clearly the powerful barriers blocking our access to religious/spiritual truths.

Ranchhoddas:
This is the first thing I've read from you that has a semblance of sense.

But tell me; why would the Jews feel guilt at killing their Messiah when the Messiah already planned to come and be killed. Is it really guilt if it was already scripted?

Dont waste time talking sense to a fool says - Mohamed Ali

I dont know, Atheists believe that the mighty Jesus Christ scripted His own death. I am talking to an unregistered Low-level Atheist so I prefer to let your beliefs remain to avoid confusion and loss of precious data.

vaxx:
here is my salute sir........any book I can read on the subject ......logic , reason and intuition.....

I will mail you as soon, I was told that the book may still be in some boxes in storage.

vaxx:
1) When it comes to corporate social responsibility or when rendering humanitarian aid..... Tb Emmanuel deserve a diamond medal..... My utmost salute to him.....

2) I only disagree with him on the subject of spirituality......he is a Christian who subscribe to a foreign deity and teachings while I am traditionalist who believe the best way to worship the greatest deity is to worship him in your own image, language and cultural significance... Your deity must kook like you in order to empower you....

3) Bible itself agree...the bible says God created us in his own image..

Yes TB Joshua is a true disciple of the mighty Jesus Christ - giving is just one great example. The ultimate test of truth of any worship is in the concrete practical benefits to the worshipers/followers. Actions speak louder than words. A philosophy/doctrine of impressive words can never stand the test of time.

Your points that I labeled 2 & 3 is absolutely brilliant because you are highlighting a global concern. I will humbly present my personal opinion as follows;

2) When LOGIC is applied to your second point, it is perfectly correct and acceptable. But it fails when the light of REASON shines on it.
All wise leaders know that traditions and religions must never be uprooted, because it is acts as a powerful unifying force in society.
At the same time, it is wise to gently introduce verified truths that provide a greater practical benefit to individuals and society as a whole.

Vaxx you will know more than others that Truth transcends all barriers regardless of race, language and cultural significance, etc.
The truth spoken by an uneducated man and a professor of science must be weighed on the same scale.

Truth that provide a superior verifiable benefit for its followers should be welcomed. Our oppressors wont welcome this line of thought.

3) It is refreshing to see how your 3rd point stated logically in this way, "Bible itself agree...the bible says God created us in his own image.." seamlessly leads us to the dictates of logic that must conclude that, "Your deity must kook like you in order to empower you."

You know that when reason is applied to the above example, the conclusion changes dramatically.

My respect for you as one blessed with a sound mind, remains unchanged.

vaxx:
bro, I will be glad if you can get me the name...

Ok Sir, I will see what I can do. Vaxx, from what I have observed of your many deep probing dialogues, you dont need help with higher reasoning. God has blessed you with a sound mind. You have seen through the cruel, hidden motives of the Atheists agenda.

They are not truth seekers.

Reason is the faculty of correct thinking, which seeks truth and which ensures that its activity shall start with all the observed facts of actual experience. Emmanuel TV is only one powerful example of why millions world wide are breaking free from Atheisms mere speculation. They pride themselves as masters of logic, But their premises are faulty even though only a few may nevertheless think correctly, yet arrive at wrong conclusions.

Reason avoids this mistake.

Many use the term "Reason" as a synonym for mere speculation. The annals of metaphysics are filled with numerous flights of sheer
fancy which have been given a seemingly rational direction. That kind of thinking that ignores the facts of others real, live, global testimonies is not reasoning in the real sense.

Although both logic and reason set up the same criterion that thinking shall not fall into self-contradiction, and that it shall not be loose and crooked, Logic alone is satisfied with partial facts whereas the reason demands nothing less than totality of facts combined with demonstrable evidence of personal experience.

The mental faculty of intellect, which may be defined as the activity of logical thinking, is always swayed by personal desires and individual bias to choose its data preferentially, whereas reasoning, which may be defined as the activity of truthful thinking, is rigorously impersonal and detaches its feelings from the handling of facts.

The observed facts of actual experience on Emmanuel TV is only one powerful example of why millions world wide are breaking free from Atheism's mere speculation.

vaxx:
here is my salute sir........any book I can read on the subject ......logic , reason and intuition.....

My dad and I use to discuss the subject of logic and the Philosophy of verification of truth,etc. I have a few notes that I entered in my diary many years ago. He told me he got the book from his dad, it must be very old.

vaxx:
here is my salute sir........any book I can read on the subject ......logic , reason and intuition.....

Now I am enjoying the Holy Gospels, it is loaded with higher reason and highest Intuition.

vaxx:
here is my salute sir........any book I can read on the subject ......logic , reason and intuition.....

My dad gave me a book many years ago, but it got lost while moving house. It was based on the limitations of logic. I dont remember the exact title of that book.

vaxx:
like my friend sciencewatch says .....science is good when apply to material things but it has serious limitations when when apply to moral, ethics or any thing consider supernatural by human

All of mankind seek to connect with God, hence religion. If there is doubt they resort to using the lowest mental faculty - Logic.

Logic is the art which seeks to ensure correct sequential thinking, but unfortunately it does not seek to ensure that it starts with correct data ; it may and often does start with assumptions that may be mere fancies or wrong data.

Reason is the faculty of correct thinking, which seeks truth and which ensures that its activity shall start with all the observed facts of actual experience. The logic guy whose premises are faulty may nevertheless think correctly and yet arrive at wrong conclusions. Reason avoids this mistake.

Horlufemi:
THEY'VE STOPPED BECAUSE THEY FOUND IT IN EVOLUTION. LIFE CAME BY CHANCE AND THAT'S IT.

ISN'T THERE A BIBLE OF EVOLUTION? ORIGIN OF SPECIES?

It seems that Atheists dont know their bible on evolution ?

vaxx:
like my friend sciencewatch says .....science is good when apply to material things but it has serious limitations when when apply to moral, ethics or any thing consider supernatural by human

I agree Vaxx, the higher things of creation are outside the scope of science. Before they proceed further into this scientific dead-end, it is essential to rid the term reason of the widespread ambiguity and confusion with which it is frequently
associated.

REASON is the mental faculty which apprehends and judges logic and truth, distinguishing it from falsehood, opinion, imagination or illusion.

And here it will be good to introduce the sages' definition of the term "truth". It has been demonstrated that without such a
definition men wander in a dry wilderness of hollow fancies, unfounded opinions, worthless theories and hypothesized words.
This definition may sound quite simple, but its implications are most profound. It should be graven deeply on the heart.

Here it is :
TRUTH is that which is beyond all contradiction and free from all doubt; which is indeed beyond the very possibility of both contradiction and doubt; beyond the changes and alternation of time and vicissitude ; for ever one and the same, unalterable and unaltering; universal and therefore independent of all human idealization.

TRUTH IS HIGH ABOVE ALL THEORIES. Men have come to worship scientific theories.

Ranchhoddas:
This is the first thing I've read from you that has a semblance of sense.

But tell me; why would the Jews feel guilt at killing their Messiah when the Messiah already planned to come and be killed. Is it really guilt if it was already scripted?

I have seen many questions from you that dont make sense.

But tell me; Would you feel guilt if you killed someone ?

Ranchhoddas:
Not to me he doesn't.

Truth hurts the one that hate it !

Samsimple:
to read

Lol. Will you read for me Sir ?

hopefulLandlord:
does he ever?

He never read oo

Samsimple:
cant say

That guy cant read oo

vaxx:
I salute your interpretation........ This is deep......

Any man that has compassion for a suffering humanity will never ever pull the rug of support from under their feet. This is what Atheism has vowed to do. THEY WANT TO DESTROY MANKIND'S LIFE-LINE.

But society being what it is, the masses of mankind, busy with toil or suffering in trouble, must trust in the guidance of religious structures
and in normal times can usually find no better guides through the maze of life-problems than their traditional ones, provided the trust is not abused. Akindom is not concerned with the massive practical value of religions world wide ; this has its undeniable place and is indeed absolutely indispensable for regulating the affairs of a global society.

vaxx:
hmmmmmm..this is absolutely true..especially in this part of the continent I live.

All major ancient religions arm their followers with powerful holistic tools to survive most effectively in a cruel evil world.
That is why I respect all religions. If religions are dismantled the whole world will be in serious crisis. It is this dangerous turn of events that Low-level Atheists hope to achieve because it has strong Satanic links.

When a man speaks or writes he reveals not only what he does know but also and unconsciously what he does not know.
His ignorance, no less than his knowledge, lies naked in his sentences to wisdom's insight. Written or spoken constitute a document of self-revelation, a manifestation of his subconscious no less than of his conscious mind.

We reveal the poverty of our thinking by our use of ambiguous, biased, inexact or empty linguistic constructions. We must learn to dig to the roots of our own ideas. Truthful analysis in linguistic matters along these lines will help us to see whether any statement which he or others may make, conveys genuine information or mere misinformation.

vaxx:
can you enlight me more on logic, intuition and reasons

The examination of Holy Gospel scriptures require a highly disciplined mind free of hatred, envy, revenge etc.
We may indulge in as much nonsense as we please in connection with the everyday life within the limits of personal taste, but we may not indulge in the slightest nonsense in connection truth. We may utter a million meaningless words during the gossip of a lifetime without doing much or any harm to ourselves, but we may not utter or think a single meaningless word during our quest for truth without losing our right direction.

We may load our sentences with as much artistic imaginativeness or emotional colour as we wish, so long as we do not deceive ourselves so that we can acknowledge what has been done. We may read page after page of fiction as long as we understand the untruthful nature of the language we are dealing with.

We may even fool a political audience with misleading metaphors and figurative innuendos if that is our choice, but we ought not to fall into the errors which we prepare for others.

Unfortunately the OP has fallen into the holes he was digging for others.

Ranchhoddas:
This is the first thing I've read from you that has a semblance of sense.

But tell me; why would the Jews feel guilt at killing their Messiah when the Messiah already planned to come and be killed. Is it really guilt if it was already scripted?

I agree. I seriously doubt that he will be able to answer your question.

Ranchhoddas:
Not to me he doesn't.

I agree !

vaxx:
I salute your interpretation........ This is deep......

Thanks. Our education systems has been engineered to leave us with out emotional/spiritual intelligence.

If the Akindom is serious, he has to learn how to frame questions correctly if he is to secure correct answers. Eighteenth-century chemists lost themselves in the falsity of the Phlogiston theory because they asked "What special substance is involved in the process of burning?"
instead of asking, "What kind of process is burning?"

Language must be adjusted to fit the pursuit of truth, and not vice versa. Words which carry no meaning must be ruthlessly abandoned. Words which carry false meaning must be corrected. Words which carry ambiguous meaning must be sharply clarified.

Words which pretend to represent fact but really represent imagination must be revealed for what they are. All such words hold the budding truth seeker in chains and limit the field of his enquiry until he separate the conceptual reality of their meanings from the actual reality and the fictitious significance from the real significance.

The clarity of words ultimate meanings is a necessary stage in the revelation of ultimate truth, because it involves the wholesale
reconstruction of thought.

Matthew 6:26-27 and Luke 14:28-31 will be found to hold no contradictions whatsoever.

KingEbukasBlog:
Very true

Roll on the ground laughter.

butterflyl1on:
You can say that again

When I began calling him Jumbo Dumbo he so loved it and even said he prefers I call him JUMBO JACK and he said it with such gusto.

This had me falling out of my arm-chair, Aaaaaaah absolutely hilarious.

Originakalokalo:
Worrying is different from Planning.

You Plan before embarking on any endeavor


But you don't worry about how your plans will work and if it will not work.


Even after your planning, death can come knocking.

That's why you don't worry.

That's what My Lord Jesus said.

Glory to the Ancient of Days

Glory to his Lamb Jesus

I agree. These words are very refreshing to a humans heart. These words have no value to the hardened psuedo logical minds of low-level Atheists.

vaxx:
can you enlighten me more on logic, intuition and reason.

Lol you have a highly developed intellect Vaxx. Way above mine. You must help unwary readers to understand the dangerous mind-games low-level Atheists use to market their false opinions and mistake their empty words for substantive reality.

When words does duty for the inconceivable, as in the case of the OP, it may soon blind the judgment of men and lead them to accept the non-existent. This is pseudo/false interpretation, this lame use of one meaningless term after another and moving in a circle which returns to the original words without having provided any real explanation of meaning during its journey.

Magnificent verbal worlds are thus constructed in which their creators live happily ever after! Men everywhere entertain false opinions through their lazy habit of inferring that something named is something that exists, through their corrupt educated tendency
to mistake empty words for substantial realities.

That is why the OP need to examine his statements to ascertain whether they are really thinkable or whether they are merely pseudo-meanings—sets of symbols with nothing substantial in human experience that actually corresponds to them. In short, it is the need to get at what is truly known, to unveil hidden assumptions, and to clarify what is being done when a thing is said to be true.

Logic serves its purpose when applied to material things and has serious limitations when used to examine the deeper meanings of Ethics, morality and spirit.

akintom:
It's evident that there's no other means by which human needs can be met, except by actual thoughts and actions, directed at meeting those needs.

The talk about birds not in active search for their needs, as referred to in the following verses by your Jesus, is a stupid one. Go watch animal planet on dstv, you will see the intelligent efforts of birds, when it comes to their survival.

You are multiplying your problems a hundred fold Akindom, by using the above crude logic to argue that the mighty Jesus Christ contradicted himself in Matthew 6:26-27 and Luke 14:28-31.

When you claim that, "It's the foolishness of being a disciple to a deluded mind like Jesus, that's the crux of the post." you are in fact unconsciously revealing your own extremely deluded mind to millions of enlightened readers world wide.

The alleged scientific findings that Atheism is a mental disease is evidenced here in your crude arguments against verifiable evidence that every word Jesus spoke is a reality and is demonstrated daily to millions via Emmanuel TV, which is just one of many growing numbers of TV channels that is severely diluting all Low-level Atheists attacks on the Deity of the mighty Jesus Christ.

No thinking person that has raised their thinking to the higher level of REASON can agree with the OP's conclusion on Matthew 6:26-27 and Luke 14:28-31. Any person that has entered into the highest level of Intuition will have a fit of laugh out loud, roll of the chair, stomach cramping kind of laughter.

ysyowel:
no contradiction only you are confused and you don't know the Scripture neither the power in it

Luke 14:28-31 centre on the condition of becoming Jesus disciple, if truly one want to follow Jesus he should count the cost less he started what he can not finish


Matthew 6:26-27 center on trust in the Lord, Jesus was addressing his listeners not to be worried about the earthly things like food, clothing, shelter etc but rather they should seek first the kingdom of God and His Righteousness and all this things (clothing, food, shelter etc) shall be added unto them.
pls go back and read Matthew 6:26- the end

I lift up my sword to salute Ysyowel. This is an absolutely brilliant rebuttal of the OP's crude and illogical attempt to present himself as a man of higher reason. The OP seems oblivious of the fact that humans can use three mental faculties to think; the lowest is Logic, then Reason and finally the highest faculty is Intuition.

After examining the OP's conclusions of Matthew 6:26-27 and Luke 14:28-31 it becomes obvious that he is an unregistered Low-Level Atheist using crude logic to deceive and entrap those that was about enter the kingdom. He loosely describes himself as having studied and even taught the Holy Bible. Akintom reminds me of Nairalands fake pastor Bronchitis Oaroloye who claims he was Born-again and Holy-Spirit filled. The consequence of using the Holy Gospel scriptures for their own selfish ambitions is tragic and perpetrator always manifest symptoms of mental disease.

Love is truth. It is an act of love to inform the OP that he is fighting a loosing battle because the mighty Jewish nation failed for more than 2000 years to destroy life-giving truth about Jesus Christ. To cover their guilt of killing their God sent Messiah, from the rest of the world the Jews wrote and distributed many fake manuscripts to portray the mighty Jesus as a fake or even as non-existent.

To use the OP's own words to describe his predicament, Akindom is perfectly immersed in a pool of illusion and delusion.