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adepeter2027:
Science kini?

Ogbontarigi, bàbà werey

lol

sonofluc1fer:


What do you see!

I am waiting on other readers to respond. After at least four comments I will post mine. Make it fun

OtemSapien:
Amoeba isn't God Almighty who created Yahweh, Allah, Vishnu, Mazda, Moloch, Odin, Mother Earthus(Gaiai), Atum etc. And when God Almighty made the gods and goddesses, they did not grow in stature. It was the beings made by the gods that grow in stature with the exception of the anakims. There are passages of the Doctufos of truth where this is mentioned.

Interesting. A picture paints a thousand words ..... I am waiting on some drawings from you.

sonofluc1fer:
so, back to business.

daily, we battle in the names and non-names of various Gods, godesses,powers, both spiritual and natural. we are so eager to discuss our differences, we only get to know a single part of that individual. sonofluc1fer, that devil, otem that crazeman, felix that slowpoke.

let's set aside our differences for one, and get to know each other. hallo analice, i'm looking at you.
ishilove and jackbizzle, can we get a hug? just for today?
Can Sciencewatch turn off the channel, and give us a happy wave?
will sarassin return from the ethereal and materialize upon this thread in a form by which we may relate?

so, ironically, this isn't a troll thread. which makes it a troll thread kinda.

it's saturday. be merry. my team just lost anyways. got to cool my temper.

I turned off the channel as requested. A double wave to all !
Mmmm, I am already seeing another side of Sonofluc1fer, can anyone point it out ?

Ubenedictus:
research I don't have time for long argument.


in ancient time women were married at puberty, it has nothing to do with been spiritual

Marriage is a spiritual covenant. The marriage covenant/vows can be sourced from only two spiritual forces - Dark or light.

When A man decides to engage in a marriage covenant from the light, he will never take a baby with him to the alter. God is light !

At puberty a baby changes to the intermediary stage/teenager, to prepare to become a woman which takes another 7 to 10 yrs.

OtemSapien:
Living beings who are anthropomorphic didn't start with human beings, but with the gods so we can't start a topic of a baby first growing to an adult or an adult first giving birth to a baby. It would sound weird to draw a picture of baby Yahweh and baby Allah with baby Vishnu and their numerous siblings in nappies, crawling about in an empty world

Very good Sir, So then the first brilliant, accidental single cell Amoeba also created all the gods you refer to, without the nappies of course.

Pictures can help us understand your very advanced concepts of creation, so please draw some pics and post it here.

OtemSapien:
Living beings who are anthropomorphic didn't start with human beings, but with the gods so we can't start a topic of a baby first growing to an adult or an adult first giving birth to a baby. It would sound weird to draw a picture of baby Yahweh and baby Allah with baby Vishnu and their numerous siblings in nappies, crawling about in an empty world

Very good Sir, So then the first brilliant, accidental single cell Amoeba also created all the gods you refer to, without the nappies of course.

Pictures can help us, so please draw some pics and post it here.

GodsMopol:
I never saw that

A small cell becoming the whole world

You are right Sir, After the master-mind Amoeba randomly released its beta version 1.011 DFNA into the first load of celestial rubble, an extremely intelligent random change occurred that is still baffling modern scientists.

Beta version 1.011 DFNA + Celestial rubble = DNA

GodsMopol:
I never saw that

A small cell becoming the whole world

Word has it that a single cellular organism was the master-mind behind the accidental crash
of two mis-fit/badly behaving planet that crashed near the Nevada desert USA. Rumor has it that Scientists have named this brilliant single cellular organism, Amoeba and is openly worshiping it as a god.

adepeter2027:
It's funny how some criticise evolution yet can't even use God to explain how everything came about.

They can't use god to explain anything

I admire the evolution because I love Sea food. Evolution is a genius, it positioned the Moon perfectly to aid the survival of sea life.

If scientists were give the task of planning where to place the Moon and to program it's behaviour, there would be no sea-food and therefore no Atheists, because they claimed to have evolved from fish.

GodsMopol:
I never saw that

A small cell becoming the whole world

OH Yes. I admire evolutions careful planning. It decided to engineer the seasons so the Strawberry tree can take regular breaks.

GodsMopol:
Can a child survive on its own, seeing it has no mother to care - Mother- or nurture the living thing to growth.

Actually, you can't argue its an adult, cause it grew, from being a child, so the question still remains. What's the chances of a little thing surviving without anyone to care or direct it. At least, its not smart enough to engage in trial and error or survival of the fittest at that tender age, so what do you say

Cc Felixomor, sciencewatch, adepeter2027, Mhizzaj, Hahn, Seun, obinna58, hopefullandlord and co

Scientists say the expression. "Dont behave like a stupid monkey, points to truths about evolution.
It makes sense that the stupid ones refused to take the evolutionary step to become human.

I have proof that a microscopic Amoeba can evolve into a Strawberry tree.

Ubenedictus:
Do not be too authoritative about issues you know little about.


Actually in ancient times when a woman reaches puberty she is ripe for marriage... this was common among both Jews Turks and Europeans and even Africans. the practice ended in the west after the Catholic church decreed that it was mandatory for the marrying parties to reach the age of reason before a marriage can be valid.

You dont include the fact that the majority of ancient men would never burden themselves nor the mothers of babies with such a harmful practice.
I will never throw stones. You do agree that God is truth. You Will eventually agree that truth is eternal and can not be changed to suit mankind's sinful nature. There is no time in the history of man, where a wise man will marry and have sex a 5 to 8 yrs old baby.

1) What value can a baby girl offer a grown man in marriage ?

2) Psychologists have found that emotionally/spiritually immature men crave intimate relationships with babies.

iamgenius:
Did you hear yourself at all? You said Jesus is not a representation of God BUT GOD HIMSELF, and you are now saying JESUS IS NOT THE ENTIRE GID HIMSELF. Read what youwrite again and tell me if you made any sense.

If you say Jesus is part of God, now tell me God consist of how many parts?

Three parts. Human created in Gods image, therefore human also has three parts. I asked you a question about this long ago but you have not answered the two questions ? ?

umarshek6:
Read this pls with open mind



To understand the prophecies made by Jesus on the subject, one has to begin with the First Epistle of John, Chapter 2, Verse 1. Here, Jesus Christ is called a "Paraclete" (Parakletos, Advocate, Comforter, Helper) by apostle John. The same term "Paraclete" is used by the apostle in his Gospel, in connection with a portentous prophecy made by Jesus Christ, before the end of his ministry upon this earth, for the coming of "another Paraclete". Prophet Moses also made a similar prophecy, before the end of his ministry, for the coming of his successor. Jesus Christ declared;

"And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Paraclete, that he may abide with you into the age (to come)." 
John 14:16

Note: We often read the verse ending as; "with you for ever". However; "into the age" is the literal translation of the Greek phrase; `eis ton aiona', used by John.


These two verses by John clearly demonstrate that Jesus Christ, while speaking of "another Paraclete", was speaking of the coming of "another male figure" like himself, some time in the future, after his departure. The passage quoted below also confirms that the original concept among the noted Christian scholars and populace, for the "Paraclete" was for the coming of a "male figure", but that concept was later confused with the "Holy Spirit". Here is an extract from the world renowned and distinguished Anchor Bible Volume 29A:


"The word parakletos is peculiar in the NT to the Johnannine literature. In 1John ii1 Jesus is a parakletos (not a title), serving as a heavenly intercessor with the Father. ...Christian tradition has identified this figure (Paraclete) as the Holy Spirit, but scholars like Spitta, Delafosse, Windisch, Sasse, Butlmann and Betz have doubted whether this identification is true to the original picture and have suggested that the Paraclete was once an independent salvific figure, later confused with the Holy Spirit." (page 1135).


The Bible tells us that Jesus Christ, besides being a "Messiah" was also a prophet like Moses, by his own admission. Please see John 5:46 and 9:17. Hence to say that the coming of "another Paraclete" was similar to the coming of "another Prophet" like Jesus and Moses, would not be inaccurate. OTOH, the concept of "Holy Spirit" is unequivocally negated by the following verse:

"But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Paraclete shall not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you." John 16:7


This verse clearly tells us that the coming of the Paraclete was subject to the departure of Jesus. Whereas, the "Holy Spirit" was already present. It was in existence since the day of the Creation and was hovering upon the surface of the earth (Genesis 1:2). It was also present with the prophets of the Old Testament. The "Holy Spirit" happened to be present at River Jordan when Jesus Christ was being Baptised by John the Baptist, in the early part of his ministry. So, how could Jesus say; "but if I go, I will send Holy Spirit"?



"When the Paraclete comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, that is the Spirit of Truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness of me." John 15:26


This above verse clears the confusion. The Paraclete is called the "Spirit of Truth" and not the "Holy Spirit". These are two separate terms and two independent entities. The first takes the pronoun "he" being a male figure, whereas, the second one takes the pronoun "it".

"But the Paraclete, the Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you." John 14:26


Note: 
1. In the older MSS, Codex Syriacus discovered in 1812 on Mount Sinai by Mrs.Agnes S. Lewis (and Mrs. Bensley), the text of 14:26 reads; "Paraclete, the Spirit"; and not "Paraclete, the Holy Spirit". "The Spirit" is a reference to "the Spirit of Truth" as in 15:26.

2. The word spirit, Greek. `pneu'ma', is of neutral gender and takes pronoun "it". Whereas, in almost all the verses referring to Paraclete quoted above and below, the pronoun used is "he".

3. In 1 John 4:6, the terms "the spirit of truth" and "the spirit of error" are used for the human beings.

4. History records that prophet Muhammad was known for his Truth and Honesty, long before he received the Revelations.

Jesus Christ did indicate what the Paraclete to come will do in his time. Did prophet Muhammad do those things? Let's examine;

1. "But when he, the Spirit of Truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth; for he will not speak on his own initiative, but whatever he hears, he will speak..." Jn.16:13

Note: The Quran is a compilation of the "Divine Revelations" that were received by prophet Muhammad, over a period of 23 years, through the arch angel Gabriel. The prophet used to recite whatever he used to hear. Prophet's companions used to write down whatever was recited. The Quran does not contain the writings or teachings of or by Muhammad, as often mentioned by some misinformed authors.

2. "He shall glorify me." John 16:14

Note: The Quran glorifies the birth of Jesus through Virgin Mary. The Quran also confirms, Jesus was a Messiah; a Messenger of God; the Spirit from God; the Word of God and the Righteous Prophet.

3. "He shall take mine and shall disclose it to you." Jn.16:14

Note: Muhammad did declare himself a Messenger of God like Abraham, Moses and Jesus.

4. "He will teach you all things." John 14:26

Note: The Quran teaches a way of life. It guides mankind, how to live a pious life socially, politically and spiritually.

5. "He will bring to your remembrance all that I said to you." Jn.14:26

Note: The Quran speaks about the teaching of the righteous Jesus and even quotes him.

6. "He will bear witness of me" John 15:26

Note: The Quran attests the miracles performed by Jesus the Messiah. It also mentions one astonishing miracle performed by Jesus that the Gospel writers have not recorded. The Quran acknowledges that these miracles and signs were performed with the leave of Allah, by His righteous Servant and Messiah Jesus. The same is also attested in the Book of Acts 2:22; 3:13 (NASB).

Prophet Isaiah is considered to be one of the major prophets of the Old Testament. In the Book of Isaiah there are several prophecies about the coming of the Messiah. In chapter 42, Isaiah begins with a prophecy for the coming of prophet Jesus. After verse number nine, God declares through Isaiah, the "new things" that are to "spring forth" in the Land of Kedar.

In the Bible there is only one personality called Kedar. He was the grandson of prophet Abraham, through his son Ishmael (see Gen.25:13). Kedar's descendants had settled in Paran (Syno-Arabian dessert). In the Rabbinic literature Arabia is called the "Land of Kedar". Prophet Muhammad was a descendant of Kedar.

God declares through Isaiah;

"Behold, the former things are come to pass, and the new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them. `Sing unto the Lord a new song, and his praise from the end of the earth'. Let the wilderness and the cities thereof lift up their voices, the villages that Kedar doth inhabit: let the inhabitants of the rock sing, let them shout from the top of the mountains. Let them give glory unto the Lord, and declare His praise in the inlands." Chapter 42, Verses 9-12.

God did reveal in the Land of Kedar, through prophet Muhammad - a direct descendant of Kedar, a "New Song" - The Qur'an (Koran). This happens to be the only Scripture to be revealed in the language of the Kedarites. The verses of the Qur'an are recited like a poem. Nearly 1.2 billion Muslims, residing all over the world, recite this "new song" and Glorify Allah, in their daily prayers, five times in a day. The initial Revelation came to prophet Muhammad in a cave of Mount Hira near the city of Mecca. There are several mountains near Mecca. During the annual Islamic Pilgrimage called "Hajj", Muslims from all over the world, assemble in Mecca and shout Glory to the Lord from the top of Mount Arafat. The pilgrims continuously give Glory to Allah on their ways, to and from Mecca.

"The Lord shall go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail against his enemies." Verse 13.

In the Old Testament the God often speaks "I" will do this, or "I" have done this; whereas, He has chosen human beings like us, to do these jobs. (see 2 Samuel 12:7-12). Muhammad did go forth as a mighty prophet of Allah, did stir up jealousy among the most influential and dominating tribe of the pagan Arabs in Arabia. Finally with a war cry and roar, Muhammad did prevail upon the enemies of Lord - the idolaters, fulfilling the above prophecy.

"I have long time holden my peace; I have been still, and refrained myself, now will I cry like a travailing woman; I will destroy and devour at once." Verse 14.

The prophets that came before Muhammad had all tried with peaceful missions. But, the concept of sharing God's Glory continued to surface again and again, in one way or other. It was with the war cry, through the descendants of Kedar (Arabs), these sinful practices were destroyed and devoured, inside and outside of Arabia. The spread of Islam was swift, wide spread and at once.

"And I will bring the blind by a way they knew not; I will lead them in paths that they have not known; I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight. These things I will do unto them, and not forsake them." Verse 16.

It is an undeniable fact that before the advent of Islam, the pagan Arabs were like the blinds. Their religious and social concepts were crooked. The revelation of this "new song" brought them out of that darkness. Earlier, God had not sent any prophet to these people. By sending Muhammad, God fulfilled His above promise and also the following promise to Abraham;

"And also of the son of the bondwoman I will make a nation, because he is thy seed." Genesis 21:13.

Please note the word "also" in above promise. The nations of Judaism and Christianity came out from the descendants of Abraham and Sarah. The nation of Islam came out from the descendants of Abraham and Hagar. Judaism, Christianity and Islam are three children of Abraham by God's Covenants with Abraham.

This also fulfils the following prophecy by Jesus;

"Howbeit when he, the Spirit of Truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth; for he shall not speak of himself; but what soever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you thing to come." John 16:13

For further details about "the Paraclete" and "the Spirit of Truth" please see Section 1 of this article.

"They shall be turned back, they shall be greatly ashamed, that trust in graven images; they say to the molten images, `Ye are our gods.'" Isaiah 42 Verse 17.

History records that Prophet Muhammad did put the pagan idolaters to great shame when he demolished before them, their 365 idols that were installed in Ka'bah (Mecca), the most respected place of pilgrimage in the whole of Arabia. Today, Ka'bah is the Grand Mosque of Islam. Muslims from all over the world face towards Ka'bah while reciting their daily ritual prayers.‎

I am reading with an open mind as you requested. No problem.

HermajestyQ:
Like seriously, STOP quoting me. Really don't care if Muhammed came back to earth to marry all Muslim women or if Allah did same.

OK, Apologies, I confused your moniker on a list with another. Happy day !

iamgenius:
Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "No child is born except on Al-Fitra (Islam) and then his parents make him Jewish, Christian or Magian, as an animal produces a perfect young animal: do you see any part of its body amputated?" Then he recited 'The religion of pure Islamic Faith (Hanifa),(i.e. to worship none but Allah), The pure Allah's Islamic nature with which He (Allah) has created mankind. Let There be no change in Allah's religion (i.e. to join none in Allah's worship). That is the straight religion; but most of men know not..." (Quran 30:30)

Sahih al-Bukhari
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 6, Book 60, Hadith 298
Arabic : Book 65, Hadith 4775

I note with interest how you question the Deity of Jesus Christ in your posts. If you dont mind me asking, I have only two short questions that you can help with below;

1) Can you confirm if your Prophet Mohammed Had sex with and married an eight yr old Baby called Aisha ?
2) If it is true, does your prophet condone/allow child sex among Muslims ?

iamgenius:
He was always a Muslim right from birth. Answer my question don't turn the table to me.

I will never turn a table to anyone. It is time to get up from the table and work. With respect Sir, you have not answered our question properly.

If he was a prophet right from birth (pbuh), then what happened to him ? What happened to make this man behave in away that history is judging ? Please consider the Koran volume below and help us understand that the shocking revelations below is approved by the most high God.

Tell us that it is holy, and acceptable social practice to have sex with a baby.

I hear that your prophet (pbuh) had sex and married Aisha who was only a baby of eight yrs old ? Also from the Koran volume below your holy man had no time to bless the masses of suffering people if he was having carnal sex the whole day. What went wrong with him ?


Volume 1, Book 5, Number 268:

Narrated Qatada:

"The Prophet used to visit all his wives in a round, during the day and night Anas bin Malik said, and they were eleven in number."

I asked Anas, "Had the Prophet the strength for it?" Anas replied, "We used to say that the Prophet was given the strength of thirty (men)." And Sa'id said on the authority of Qatada that Anas had told him about nine wives only (not eleven).

NASTYNASOSO:
*MARRIAGE OF AISHA (R.A) AT 9 YEARS OLD.*

_This is so STRANGE why?._

Have you ever asked yourself? Why is it that during the days of Quraysh, they called the Rasulullah (SAW):
Magician, madman, and the likes but *NEVER* called him a Pedophile if this accusation was true?
They never raised any question about his
marriage to *Aisha (R.A),* why?

*_Even in the BIBLE it says:_*
*....But save for yourself every girl who has never slept with a man (numbers 31. 17:28).*

*Islam is perfect while Muslims are not*

Let me say from the outset that I have the greatest respect for Islam and all other religions. Here I am only addressing the OP's attempt to make a bad practice acceptable.

You say that according to the catholic encyclopedia, Mary the mother of Jesus was 12 when she married the 99 years old Joseph.

This is a lie. Neither Joseph nor Mary's age was never disclosed in any bible. It is well known that the Catholic Church was burdened with Homo-sexuality. It seems that they were keeping the door open for Pedophilia ( Sex with babies) in case their priests lust got the better of them.

A baby girl of 5 to 9 yrs is not developed enough physically or emotionally for a sexual relationship now or 6,000 yrs ago. A wise man will never take a baby away from its mothers care. He will wait for the appropriate time unless he cant control his lust. It is only the sin of lust that birth such horrors.

It may be accepted practice in a community to marry 5yr to 9yr old babies, but a wise man will never engage in such practices.

It may be accepted practice to sell drugs in certain communities, but a wise man will never engage in such activities.

A WISE MAN WILL NEVER MARRY A BABY !

OtemAtum:
I actually don't have much time browsing memes when I can easily save the one someone else used. As in...since you aren't the one who made up the meme, but you copied it from somewhere, what then stops me from saving it and using it for my own purpose too?

Below is my face whenever I imagined Moh Ahmad/Murhamid raping little Aisatu.

It is a sad face indeed. This Sheik says that Mohammed was the holy spirit. Would the holy spirit cradle snatch a baby from its mothers care ?

I need help on this issue. My question to you wise man OtemAtum is, would a wise man have sex with a baby ?

iamgenius:
You are still not contributing to the topic, What I just need from you guys is to bring a verse where Jesus says he is God, then I would believe every other verse you referenced.

No You wont. I tell you that you don't have the intellect and the spirit to investigate spiritual truths.

The followers of all religions want evidence that their Gods can do what it promises them in their holy books.

You are arguing for personal sexual relief. What about the other person. What about the religious organizations members ?
Don't they have a chance to explain what they really need from their Gods?

I will be at the ACADIP next month, but not for salvation of my soul. I want to apply to be a guest speaker there.

I will speak about VALUE - perceived value vs real value from a worshipers viewpoint.

Why investigate religions value from the worshipers viewpoint ? Why not from the Pastor, Imam, priest's biased viewpoint ?
It is because most Pastors/Imams only see their members as personal assets.

1) They operate from the cowardly fear of losing their members to higher truths that can add more value to the members lives.
2) They fight to protect their status instead of their members needs
3) They love to have power over the people that why a member can get killed for leaving.

Members would like to enter the hallowed portals of truth to solve life problems, All great religions point to that higher portal of incredible power that can dramatically change their lives, their situation, their desperate need.

These members want to see evidence in their lives, not a lifetime of empty promises. They have a right to demand that their God give them evidence that His words as preached by their Pastors/Imams are true.

The creator is a God of evidence !

DoctorAlien:
Who is this that says in Rev 1:11 , “I am the alpha and omega, the first and last.” The Mormon, or Muslim will say that refers to God (or Allah they may say). Then ask, what about here in Rev 21:6, “I am the Alpha and Omega, beginning and the end.” Who is that? They will say, God.
Then we refer to rev 1:17-18. “I am the first and the last, He that liveth, and was dead, and behold I am alive forever more.” Who is this? They will say, that is God, to which you reply, “When did God die?”

Also, on a side note, The Quran of Islam states that God departed the law and inspiration to the bible’s profits, that he sent down the law of Moses, and the Gospel of Jesus, (Sura 2:87; 3:3; 4:163; and 5:46), and that the word of God cannot be altered (6:34, 6:115). However, most Muslims will state that the bible has been corrupted and that the Quran must be trusted over the Christian bible. The real question is how can the Muslim trust the Quran, if in its very text it states to trust the gospels, and Allah’s words cannot be changed. Another way to state this is in a simple proof which the text bears out:

1 – If the Bible is true then the Quran is false
2 – If the Bible is false, then the Quran is false
3 – Therefore, the Quran is false

Source: https://jrcooper.org/2017/01/26/if-jesus-doesnt-know-the-hour-is-he-god/

Wow ! you great. You argue you case like the world's best high court attorney.

iamgenius:
He was always a Muslim right from birth. Answer my question don't turn the table to me.

A genius without patience is a fool - Prophet Mohammed(pbuh)

Your question will be answered in due time. What proofs could you provide of your claims ?

iamgenius:
If I ask you if you are a son of man or son of God, you would probably reply Yes. If you are both son of man (your real father) and son of God(your spiritual father) according to your logic then you are also GOD yourself.

You argue like someone that is hiding somerthing from your readers out of desperation. Our chat in the topic "Gods miracle healing in the SCOAN" tells me that you secretly believe what you see happening in the holy church SCOAN NIGERIA, but your fear of others stop you from having your blind child healed their.

I will be at the ACADIP next month, but not for salvation of my soul. I want to apply to be a guest speaker there.

I will speak about VALUE - perceived value vs real value from a worshipers viewpoint.

Why investigate religions value from the worshipers viewpoint ? Why not from the Pastor, Imam, priest's biased viewpoint ?
It is because most Pastors/Imams only see their members as personal assets.

1) They operate from the cowardly fear of losing their members to higher truths that can add more value to the members lives.
2) They fight to protect their status instead of their members needs
3) They love to have power over the people that why a member can get killed for leaving.

Members would like to enter the hallowed portals of truth to solve life problems. Would you send your suffering members for an effective solution ?

All great religions point to that higher portal of incredible power that can dramatically change their lives, their situation, their desperate need. These members want to see evidence in their lives, not a lifetime of empty promises. They have a right to demand that their God give them evidence that His words as preached by their Pastors/Imams are true.

The creator is a God of evidence !

iamgenius:
Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was a Muslim. Now answer my question, was Jesus(peace be upon him) a Christian?

Thanks for your kind reply. Your answer is not complete Sir. Could you tell us what Mohammed(pbuh) was before he became a Muslim ?

iamgenius:
Show me where I degraded Jesus(peace be upon him) in my topics.

I'm a good Muslim to the best of my ability, I don't insult any Disbeliever in the oneness of God like you.

I like this verse

St. Mark 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

Can you take SERPENTS WITH YOUR BARE HANDS?
Can you DRINK POISON?

There will be a program in Ibadan next month by ACADIP, you can join us if you care for salvation.

I will be at the ACADIP next month, but not for salvation of my soul. I want to apply to be a guest speaker there.

I will speak about VALUE - perceived value vs real value from a worshipers viewpoint.

Why investigate religions value from the worshipers viewpoint ? Why not from the Pastor, Imam, priest's biased viewpoint ?
It is because most Pastors/Imams only see their members as personal assets.

1) They operate from the cowardly fear of losing their members to higher truths that can add more value to the members lives.
2) They fight to protect their status instead of their members needs
3) They love to have power over the people that why a member can get killed for leaving.

Members would like to enter the hallowed portals of truth to solve life problems, All great religions point to that higher portal of incredible power that can dramatically change their lives, their situation, their desperate need. These members want to see evidence in their lives, not a lifetime of empty promises. They have a right to demand that their God give them evidence that His words as preached by their Pastors/Imams are true.

The creator is a God of evidence !

iamgenius:
Show me where I degraded Jesus(peace be upon him) in my topics.

I'm a good Muslim to the best of my ability, I don't insult any Disbeliever in the oneness of God like you.

The world is rejoicing for watching Emmanuel TV? Okay, kudos to the owner of the TV and it's sponsors for perfecting their lies to the senseless people like you, I'm sorry to say that, but you are.

I like this verse


St. Mark 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

Can you take SERPENTS WITH YOUR BARE HANDS?
Can you DRINK POISON?

I know you are like to say YES to the above questions, while you know yourself that you can't do those things. Oh! You can do it like the miracles Mr T.B used to do, but you know you have to go a loooooooong way before you can be able to do it. You understand what I'm saying nah, JUJU things, did I say JUJU? Oh! Sorry I mean Magic and tricks, India will be okay to learn it though.

There will be a program in Ibadan next month by ACADIP, you can join us if you care for salvation.

This is ridicules! You said that you are off to go learn how to use REASON so you can have a slightly better chance of understanding the lofty truths about the mighty JESUS Christ.

I see know evidence of that here, only your same old low level LOGIC like a poorly programmed automatic door control. You close on top of the owner and open for criminals.

iamgenius:
Really? Jesus Christ is the foundation of Christianity? Are you claiming that Jesus was also a Christian?

first tell us, was Mohammed also a Muslim ? I have a deep respect for all religion's, but your line of questioning prove that you an undercover Atheist

NASTYNASOSO:
*MARRIAGE OF AISHA (R.A) AT 9 YEARS OLD.*

_This is so STRANGE why?._

*Did you know:*

-Saint Augustine (350AD) married a 10 year old girl

-King Richard 11 (1400AD) he married a 7yr old girl.

-King Henry Viii (1500AD) he married a 5yrs old girl.

*Those still doubtful, Go back to your village and ask your grandmother how old she was when she got married to your grandpa!.*

*Islam is perfect while Muslims are not*

Hey NASTYNASOSO, you stay away from my baby girl. Stay far away. It is terrible to see how hard you fight to justify the abuse of babies. That sends us a clear message that you must never be trusted near babies.

It is well known that the kings you refer to , were all insane and cruel power hungry war mongers. You have fabricated a lie about Saint Augustine to make your desire for child sex acceptable to the masses.

A WISE MAN WILL NEVER MARRY A BABY !

Hati13:
It wasn't my mother rather aunt. My mother was married at the age of 29 or 30 something.

We shouldn't blame the Man, because the ppl back then totally believed it was the right thing. But ppl are being given awareness now and this practice is starting to decrease in recent years.

It was not all the people back then that believed in such cruelty. To take a baby girl of 5 to 9yrs old from its mother for sex is cruel - The marriage is simply a smoke screen for Pedophilia (Child sex) The wise men thousands of yrs ago refused to commit such cruelty.

The baby girl is not ready for sex and the tough responsibility of marriage. The baby girl is not ready intellectually, emotionally and spiritually to deal with a mans demands. IT ALWAYS ENDS IN ABUSE, BECAUSE IT STARTED WITH ABUSE.

enilove:
Muhammed has done his own and he is gone. If you feel that what he did was right go on with your life and practice it. And more so , only lunatic father would give his daughter of 6 yrs to you at that age. You shoud also remember to pray to allah to give you the strength of 15 men ( half ) like muhammed , so that you too can do the below like muhammed:

Volume 1, Book 5, Number 268:

Narrated Qatada:

Anas bin Malik said, "The Prophet used to visit all his wives in a round, during the day and night and they were eleven in number." I asked Anas, "Had the Prophet the strength for it?" Anas replied, "We used to say that the Prophet was given the strength of thirty (men)." And Sa'id said on the authority of Qatada that Anas had told him about nine wives only (not eleven).

Volume 1, Book 5, Number 282:

Narrated Anas bin Malik:

The Prophet used to visit all his wives in one night and he had nine wives at that time.


What a prophet. He had nothing good to do than sex , day and night. Even if the girl is a baby.
But my advice to you is "dont practice or try it "so that you dont end up like this:


Volume 1, Book 4, Number 197:

Narrated 'Aisha:

When the ailment of the Prophet became aggravated and his disease became severe, he asked his wives to permit him to be nursed (treated) in my house. So they gave him the permission. Then the Prophet came (to my house) with the support of two men, and his legs were dragging on the ground, between 'Abbas, and another man." 'Ubaid-Ullah (the sub narrator) said, "I informed 'Abdullah bin 'Abbas of what'Aisha said. Ibn 'Abbas said: 'Do you know who was the other man?' I replied in the negative. Ibn 'Abbas said, 'He was 'Ali (bin Abi Talib)." 'Aisha further said, "When the Prophet came to my house and his sickness became aggravated he ordered us to pour seven skins full of water on him, so that he might give some advice to the people. So he was seated in a Mikhdab (brass tub) belonging to Hafsa, the wife of the Prophet. Then, all of us started pouring water on him from the water skins till he beckoned to us to stop and that we have done (what he wanted us to do). After that he went out to the people."

Lest I forget , You said Islam is perfect.
Islam is perfect for sexual immoralities and stealing and robbery ?

Volume 2, Book 23, Number 329:

Narrated Abu Dhar:

Allah's Apostle said, "Someone came to me from my Lord and gave me the news (or good tidings) that if any of my followers dies worshipping none (in any way) along with Allah, he will enter Paradise." I asked, "Even if he committed illegal sexual intercourse (adultery) and theft?" He replied, "Even if he committed illegal sexual intercourse (adultery) and theft."

Illegal sexual intercourse like taking your son's wife is allowed. Muhammed did it because allah loves those who practice it, as long as they worship him , even if it is not in holiness.

What am I reading HERE? It sounds like a description of a one man brothel. Very disturbing indeed. Dont get me wrong oo, I respect all religions but if this is true, the question begs, what kind of spiritual leader will do this ?

Volume 1, Book 5, Number 268:

Narrated Qatada:

Anas bin Malik said, "The Prophet used to visit all his wives in a round, during the day and night and they were eleven in number." I asked Anas, "Had the Prophet the strength for it?" Anas replied, "We used to say that the Prophet was given the strength of thirty (men)." And Sa'id said on the authority of Qatada that Anas had told him about nine wives only (not eleven).

Hati13:
We shouldn't blame the Man, because the ppl back then totally believed it was the right thing. But ppl are being given awareness now and this practice is starting to decrease in recent years.

Men can be brutes to satisfy their selfish lust. Why would a member of parliament encourage the marriage of Nine year
old baby girls ?
Apr 5, 2017 - A Malaysian member of parliament, Tasek Gelugor, said girls as young as nine were “physically and spiritually” ready for marriage.
This is a good example of someone using their power to legalize their own lust for baby girls.