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Sarkin:
Child of hate and darkness... Speak for yourself

The7th:
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Newbiee:
Another blow for the wailers!
This Buhari na God sent.
No amount of conspiracy will work against him.
Wailers should give up abeg.
2023 is assured by God's grace.

LaudableXX:
Hmnn.....how many of the SE governors of the SE states have patronised Innoson, and used his buses in their mass transit fleet? Innoson needs to step us its game nationwide. Its' sales outlets are too few, and its' after-sales service needs to improve.


Exactly! Yu hit the nail on the head, bro.'

Ijebulogic:
Please what does "Hausa Nigerian" mean again? Almost 60years after the British left, their "Divide and Rule" system is still slowing us down mentally and economically. When a Super Eagle scores, do you ask his state of Origin or do you celebrate Nigeria? Let's reboot this system and move forward.

Nowenuse:
No, I don't think so.

During the regional govt, cities like Ibadan, PH & Kaduna were making great strides and development as much or almost as much as Lagos was.
I haven't really heard of any northerner or middlebelter who was interested to move to Lagos as at that time. Kaduna was the perfect migration destination followed by Kano.

Look at India, how well has Delhi united Indians?

State capitals like Mumbai are far more powerful than Delhi. Others like Bangalore, Chennai, Hyderabad and Kolkata can even challenge Delhi too and are far more cosmopolitan than Delhi.

If the states or regions are large in size and are powerful by controlling their own rescources, the state capitals will definitely outcompete the Federal capital.

Nowenuse:
Yes you are correct.
Nigeria would have been more uniform if we had continued with the original 3 regions. However this uniformity would have been at the expense of the complete sacrifice of the identity of we the minorities.

Igbonization and Yorubanization of the Southern minorities would have easily worked, but complete hausanization of northern minorities would never have worked cos Hausa culture has been syncretized with islam and many northern minorities are christians.
Religious crisis would have never let the region unite and sooner or later it would have gone in flames.

I would have loved a more uniform Nigeria divided into three. However, the 3 regions would have been so distinct and different. Regional affiliations would have far superceded the national ones. We would have hardly done anything together cos for instance, our entertainment industries for instance, would have been different which would largely reduce their influences and market.

As a minority I think I prefer the first 12 states had remained and had full autonomy.


About India, most Indians in the cities speak Hindi in all the states except Tamil Nadu, but most Indians do not speak Hindi overall. Most Indians speak their state official languages like Bengali, Punjabi, Malayalam, Telugu, Tamil, Marathi, Odisha, etc
However I understand your point. Hindi as the national language and a co-official language of India has heavily promoted inter-ethnic communication.

BabaRamota1980:
Thats false!

Igbo and other landlocked tribes in Nigeria tend to look at everything from the single perspective of Nigeria. Nations like Yoruba look atvthings from a wider angle.

The national politics of Ghana, Togo, Benin, Nigeria are no different in terms of the multicultural components and inter-relationship between ethnics.

Hausas in Ghana, Togo, Benin dont view Yorubas in their midst as Igbo....so why would same Hausa in Nigeria now see Yoruba here as Igbo?

You lack geo-historical knowledge of West African peoples and their backgrounds. Again...this majority/minority issue cannot be resolved in isolation of historical markers that predate colonialism.

The Igbo majority itself was a creation of white man. Prior to that there was no central hierarchy in Eastern region.

BabaRamota1980:
So there was no marginalisation before creation of MidWest?

So why were Ibos slaughtered in Jos and Kano before independence, was it not because Hausa felt marginalised that Ibos were dominating them?

You are gettingvready to ruin this nice thread. Typical of you.

bibe:
You made some valid points but that wasn't exactly so. Historically, the Igbo and most other ethnicities in the Eastern region shared a lot in common. Eg killing of twins, the ekpe cult (Aro Confederacy+cross riverians) etc. There's always been mutual respect generally.

Enugu was chosen as capital just same way Abuja was chosen as capital and Lagos before it. Enugu was Igbo through and through so no issues of minorities being subsumed there. English was the ligua franca as obtains in Abuja and Lagos (while it was the capital). Knowledge of the language of the natives doesn't mean being subsumed but helps with communicating with the locals.

Like I said before the provincial system was adopted to ensure representation and even spread development most of which are still visible in the various states of today. Enugu and Port Harcourt experienced more rapid development due to coal (which held same value as oil of today) the rail from enugu to ph as well as the ph port and city came to be as a result of coal.

Revenue was mostly shared according to what you contributed. Abia, Anambra and present day Akwa ibom got more of the largesse on account of Palm oil revenue (you can research the economy of southern Nigeria before independence) so sometimes I don't really understand the cries about marginalisation. It's akin to crying that present day Rivers, Akwa ibom and bayelsa are marginalising the South East states on account of their crude oil revenue (13% derivation).

If you do a proper research on the economy of the Eastern region you'll understand that the issue of marginalisation is unfounded however you can already see from the analysis above that the economy was largely tilted to the igbos as at then and their numbers ultimately meant they'll dominate politically (numbers and money).

In conclusion, the system that obtained in the Eastern region was radically different to that of the northern region where there was clearly an agenda thus the issue of igbonisation is not plausible.

BabaRamota1980:
He was not talking about NYSC in the post i referenced and Im not talking about NYSC either when I say East of Yoruba everyone is looked at Isobo or Igbo.

If you want specifics of NYSC thats general for everyone whether North or South.

Throwback:
[s]I find it funny when people come to a faceless forum and assume they know everything about the lives of those they don't even know.

What I do for a living is my own business, but which I have revealed in discussions here that necessitated such exposure, especially when arguing topics with those who are not stakeholders but claim they know.

I am a professional who is always on the move internationally.

What I can assure you is that I do not depend on anyone nor steal from anyone.

I am comfortable and contented, and I will never be found on the wrong side of the law.

And for those who will find themselves on the wrong side of the law where I am the authority, I will never show mercy.[/s]

Throwback:
[s]Wow I don't need to say much as you have revealed who is obsessed here.[/s]

I was busy with important stuff, [s]I will leave you here to wallow in the misery that my factual historical expositions put you.

The truth hurts especially when it exposes the hypocrisy and lies of those who think history had been forgotten.

Try not to be obsessed with me, it will only hurt you and bring you the kind of frustration that made you remember me.[/s]

Throwback:
Why are you mentioning me in a thread I have not even viewed or made any comment, yet you are already terrified?

Is it that you so much crave my "pollution" or my words haunt you long after you've read them?

Why not enjoy your thread in the peace that self delusion affords, while I busy myself with my continuous pursuit of knowledge?

Mayrock:
we can't progress....as far as we remain this way....

look at Nigeria everything is stagnating.

Heartbender:
See my problem with you people? Another catastrophe looms. Don't plow your farms okay? Keep making boundary adjustments. Odaro o.

Mayrock:
very unjustly.....
our family has lost many things to northern madness.....
no matter preaching....i hv outruled forgiveness from my mind....

wickedness is real....
the first mdical doctor in our villa was lost to northern madness....

Nigeria doesn't need to be one...it should split

ask ursef why history both biafran war and all these issues has been removed from sch curriculum uptill date

they doesn't want anyone to know the truth.

Benekruku:
You cant be!

You sound more like an Abia state thug

Benekruku:
I just love Enugu state

So serene with much love abound within the state.

You wonder if they truly Easterners


So reserved, calm and enlightened. Even being at the forefront of development in the East, you hardly see them chest-beat like there neighbors- Abia & Anambra, who happen to be empty barrels but make the loudest noise


Outside cultism amongs youth which is on the high side which is a trend across all Nigerian states, every other thing is perfect about that state.


Its the only place to be if you must visit the East

BabaRamota1980:
Dont get carried away in the points you are making.

It is absolute bunkum to say Northerners are unable to differentiate Yoruba from the rest of Southerners.

The point you made about Igbo, Urhobo, Isoko, Ijaw being banded together is accurate. Even here in West we have difficulty differentiating and everyone East of Yorubaland is banded together as Isobo or Igbo. Even the Itshekiris who speak our language are sometimes mistaken as Isobo.

Why?

The answer is in culture. Until very recently Yorubas are the only ones in South that wear buba, sokoto and agbada and our hat is different from anyone else's. All non agbada wearing people in South are grouped as Isobo or Igbo. For women,Yorubas women are the only ones that do not wear two piece wrapper in South and they drape ipele on shoulder and gele on head. No other women group in South tied gele or draped ipele on shoulder or one wrapper on the waist. This is why Itshekiri is often mistaken as Isobo.

If Northerners find it hard to differentiate Yoruba it would only be a new thing and brought about byvthe Yoruba desire to dress in foreign attires not recognised for the Yoruba culture. All over Africa, the Yoruba dress, for men and women, is unique and identifiable.

Nowenuse:
I understand you.

But don't you think marginalization of minorities can also lead to subsuming their identities?

In the old northern region, Hausas pumped all the money to the development of Kaduna and Kano. This made many middlebelters abandon their villages to move to Kaduna and Kano in droves and those middlebelters who could not speak Hausa were mandated to learn Hausa.

Go to Okene or Bida today. Ebiras & Nupes generally do not speak Hausa as a 2nd language but it is very common to find 1 among 3 people in their homelands who speak Hausa. How come? Cos they must have lived in Kaduna, Kano or Jos cities.

The number of middlebelt muslims in Kano, Kaduna and Zaria that have been hausanized are too many, why? Cos they migrated there a long time ago to find better opportunities which never existed in their homelands.

If the regional govts had continued, the majority of Eastern minorities, especially those living in Enugu (the capital) and PH would be speaking Igbo by now. After a long time, some after some generations would be Igbonized.
Everyone would want to speak Igbo cos more opportunities would definitely come with it.

I hope you get my point.

Nowenuse:
I feel like I have to correct your assumption in this paragraph of yours.

First of all, let me ask you, do you think the average Hausa, Fulani, Kanuri, Shuwa arab and other northerners know the difference between an Igbo man, an Ishan man an Ibibio man and an Urhobo man? Hell they do not!

They assume that all of you are INYAMIRI (Igbos). Go to any part of the core-north and even parts of the middlebelt, that is the way you will be addressed.

Even Idomas and other Benue & Kogi christians are addressed as Igbos in the core-north.

You do not know the difference btw middlebelt and core-northern cultures not because we do not talk about our cultures but because the differences may not be easy for you to understand. Just like a typical Hausa man from Katsina cannot easily understand the differences between Igbos and South-south people no matter how much you explain.

Take a trip to Zamfara or Sokoto and you may understand my point better.
In fact, it is so bad that in some parts of the core-north they do not even know yorubas. Every southerner and anyone they see who cannot speak hausa is addressed as an IGBO.

Caseless:
I've always said this: ibo are hypocrites cos they enjoy being called "majority" at the expense of others, but will cry marginalization.

They cry marginalization when it does not favour them, but keep shut when it does.

gidgiddy:
Yes very unfortunate. So if the Urohbo nation accepts Nigeria, they should learn to put up and shut their mouths. That's the price of "one Nigeria"

safarigirl:
is there really such a thing?

Is it not a personal thing to keep one's culture? Are there, let's say, Efik people doing away with their cultures to promote Igbo cultures? One would think that the distinguishing of the Niger Delta area into South South, would mean they don't have to be 'under' the Igbo culture.

Save for some parts of Rivers state, I would say the so-called 'minorities' aren't under any siege

fratermathy:
You are talking politics and that is not what we are talking here. This post is not geared towards political or religious marginalisation. What the post is saying is simple: the bifurcation of cultures into majorities and minorities is absurd, baseless and useless. It should be done away with for the sake of equity and the natural evolution of living cultures.

oooduancalmdown:
Niger-Area.
Ilu eshe. Poor country. Nigeria should be split.
Oodua/ Yorubaland Repubic for West.
Biafra Republic for East.
Arewa Republic for North

RZArecta2:
This is hilarious, must these APC buffoons use the same template for every perceived enemy ? Dino, Shehu Sani, now Saraki ? Hahahahaaa Buhari is a fóol walahi talahi

Hoddor:
Please, I don't know the right place to post this, but any mod can help me move to the appropriate place, thanks.

Just got the news of a friend's death, met the guy 2014 Dec, I was standing at Anammco junction Emene, when someone in a black Range Rover Vogue called out my name, nick name to be precise, I went over to the car, and it was my classmate in secondary school, he was fresher than ever, with a woman sitting beside him, he asked where I was headed to, and I told him, unfortunately, we were not going same direction, so he gave me his hotel name and room number, I couldn't get his mobile number cuz my phone was a scrap, lol, so that faithful evening, we met, and I promised him heaven on earth, on how I will do whatever to be in his position, after much plea, my guy opened up, told me he met one baba in Ghana, and he was told to bring white ram and 50k naira, which he did, so baba prepared concoction that smelled like a dead body and rubbed all over him, and asked that he doesn't wash it off for 3days, na so my guy begin sleep for uncompleted building for the whole period. To cut the whole story short, after the whole thing, he was told not to sleep with any woman that is not married and never to eat any food prepared by a woman, this guy told me it was easier to get and sleep with a married woman than single lady, told me how easy it was and showed me his bank statement, FirstBank was way above 700 mill and Intercontinental bank then was a little above 90 mill, said he had a mini room in his house where sunlight should never shine, that every week, he brings out nothing less than 20 million naira equivalent from the room in foreign currency, and that there was no restriction on how you spend the money, he also promised to help me get married women if I wanted.
Now, sleeping with married women wasn't a problem I thought to myself, but, how could I not eat anything being food that is prepared by a woman, how can I visit my mom and not eat or refuse to eat her food? I told him it was kind of impossible not to eat a woman's food, and he assured me that it was easy, that he had a male chef, whom he takes wherever he goes, and that he only visit restaurants run by male chefs outside Nigeria, but then I decided to change the topic, noting that he must have made up his mind to spend the rest of his life in hell, somehow it amused him, my guy opened his mouth to tell me that God's grace abound, that all he needed was to ask for forgiveness with his last breath, and that all will be fine.... Anyways, I asked for money to help me think about it, and also prepare my mind, which he gave me a cheque of 100k and told me he had his reasons for not giving me cash, I left and was so glad that he doesn't have my number. Just yesterday, I saw his picture on one of our classmates page, with RIP inscription, so I sent a direct message to the guy asking what's up, he told me that the dude dies on Friday night, that he stopped at a traffic light in Germany, and a heavy duty truck that lost control climbed his car and he died at the spot with a woman he was carrying.......

I just can't stop thinking....
Did he ever get the chance to ask for forgiveness?
Did he ever think he was going to fool or scam the devil?

To everyone who's hustle is pure, regardless of the slow or stagnant progress, please keep hope alive, everyday holds the possibility of a miracle, God will surely pick our call one day........



Peace.

Jaideyone:
local wing is taking international flight? bros why are you lying now

Jaideyone:
btw you also said only the local wing was remodeled but the first international airport landed in Enugu airport in 2013

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2013/08/first-international-flight-lands-in-enugu-airport/

bros why are you lying now

see
http://www.thescoopng.com/2013/08/20/history-is-made-first-ever-international-flight-lands-in-enugu-airport-carrying-pdp-chieftain/

see your people jubilating here

https://www.nairaland.com/1405124/first-international-flight-lands-enugu