rsogbuyi:
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Tranquility2345:


No need for this long story. Just tell us the truth say you wan jakpa with your family and receive the best advice.

lol, normally the intent is to stay back after studies but I still have to do my masters and get a job and find way to get Pr na why I day find a good advice because I want travel with my family. We alresdy have relatives over there way go make our landing smooth na the visa and how to go about it be the main thing. Any advice you can give boss. 😀goin alone for day easier but as I day add wife and child e day abit tricky so every advice from this forum from people way don run family visa go help a lot

Hello guys good day, I intend to for my masters in petroleum Eng in the US but want to go with my wife and 6 months old child as I can’t leave them behind as I don’t know how long it would take to unite with my family. I am 31 years. I want to know the best way to go about my visa applications and home ties to avoid rejection. My wife also have two siblings in the US one of them is already a PR holder. I need advice on how to seal every loopholes to avoid rejection. I know I have to provide enough proof of funds to the VO that can take care of them while I study. Would appreciate any advice from experienced folks that have traveled with their family pls.

By all means japa don’t even think twice about it. I’m in Same age bracket with you , even tho I don’t have a personal house to my name but I have series of properties and can make atleast 1m-3m a month and I wish I left 2 years ago or atleast started the process when my wife told me. I’m comfortable in Nigeria too but with the situation of thing’s going on, It seems Nigeria would get worse with Time. Even if not for yourself , think about the future of your kids.
My advice for you. >> start learning IT skill this period before you make the move. I mean immediately . I’m currently learning cyber security and would do that for the whole of this 2024 then 2025 I leave this country. Meanwhile I’m on the process of canada PR because I still believe going as PR is the best shot and If that doesn’t work out the student route would be our option but my wife would be schooling while i work hopefully I land an IT job in cybersecurity because I want to fully ground my self this year in cybersecurity and also learn truck driving by the side .

Relocation is good but you have to have a set out plans and road map so you don’t get frustrated . I already know how things work in the western world with peoples experiences I read on Nairaland. Having a skill gives you that confidence to Travel with little fears. That’s probably the reason I didn’t think of relocating the last 2 years. U need a soft IT skill to gain confidence for relocation.

There’s no quarantee you would get job immediately but having atleast one or two hot skills and improving yourself gives you hope that you would get something someday. I used to ask this Same questions on Nairaland a few years ago but trust me most people would discourage you and tell you how you’re doing better and how abroad is harder etc.

Even if not for anything , having a second passport is the best thing a man coming from Nigeria can ever do for his family . I see no future in this country honestly and it’s better you leave now or you might end up regretting not leaving or starting the process even in the next 2-3 years not to talk of 10 years.

Start learning skills right away. I’m not even in the corporate world like you. I’ve been a crypto and forex trader for years and hav never worked for any1 but I’m willing and ready to learn IT skill that would make me stand out.
Abroad is never easy no doubt but frankly It’s far better.
I remember a friend told me 2 years ago that this my crypto trading I can do it abroad too but I was so sturbon I even warned my wife not to mention abroad to me again. Well it’s never too late. My happiness is I realized on time. Imagine getting to 40 years before you realize lol. It’s still early my guy don’t even think twice start planning but equip yourself first with skills and save more. No rush.

Ydforlife:



As far as you are giving birth in Calgary and you are an out of country patient ! You need to pay the 15k deposit to medicom for you to get a doctor and for the hospital to admit you except you want to pay through your nose .
I just had my baby in Calgary and I paid the 15k deposit , the hospital fee is different from the deposit so I am waiting for my bill .
I will share the break down when I get everything .

Hello dear pls still waitin for your breakdown. Thanks

PoliteActivist:
I already have my plane tickets o, and been planning my life in Canada oo!
Didn't think I'd actually land the job at all! 500K a month plus housing, car, health and life insurance benefits.
Why is life always like this??!! In serious dilemma what to do

For me stay in Nigeria for atleast 6 months and save money. If possible 1 year. You can’t work with a visitor visa. don’t ruin ur visa. Save enough money since you already got 10 years visa no issue. Ur plan should be permanent resident route with work experience. If you’re old for marriage get married and start the pr process with ur wife. 500k is change. Naira is useless right now that’s just $500. You might not make a lot of money in Canada due to tax and inflation but atleast after a few years you will have ur citizenship which is the most important. With your citizenship u can relocate to any country of ur choice hassle free or come back to Nigeria if u wish. Ur target should be a second passport for urself and kids.

And by the way pls how easy was it getting ur visitor visa cos I plan on getting one for my my child birth. How long did it take? How much was in your acnt and the necessary documents ur submitted. Thanks

Greetings my people, after careful consideration , I would like to go through express entry and I can see from this thread sask is a good province with low cost of living for a newbie from Nigeria .

I calculated my wife’s sinp score base on a few facts that’s available and possible and got above 70 points.
1. My wife is the main applicant with a bsc degree in human resource management . She has a one year nysc working experience with NSITF( Nigerian social insurance trust fund) as a Human resource assistant . I don’t know if that counts. And also she managed a restaurant for a year.
2.she hasn’t written ielts but with good preparation, we would try to score 7+ (I intend to write it too)
3. She has two married cousins in Canada with PR. One of them has been a resident for 4 years + but haven’t confirmed the province they live yet.
4. Our age range is withing 22-35

5, I have a degreee In petroleum Engr but yet to get my cert due to the high outstanding fees I’m owing and also since I might not be using the cert as i Inted to go the tech route or study something else.

Pls I want to know if we qualify with these facts listed Above and if no, what areas do we need to upgrade. Study route is also an option but I think our best shot should be the PR since it would make things easier.

Also what’s the advice for a dependant coming with just waec cert as I don’t intend to collect my cert or would I need it? Advice pls from people here would really go a long way. I don’t want to make any mistake or have any regrets

Guest911:

I travelled under a study visa, so I can’t take full time programming jobs. And tech companies here won’t hire students/part-time.
I can’t relocate to another city because I need to attend physical classes lol. I haven’t gotten another remote job yet because the tech job market isn’t in a good place now, so many layoffs and lots of competition and recession etc. I just got here sha so hopefully the job markets improves. But yeah if you have driving experience bring you extract VERY IMPORTANT.

Ok i understand. I thought you had the remote job in Nigeria and travelled via pr. I’m aware about the many layoffs and now with this new AI era with chatgpt etc, IT jobs will be so competitive. Maybe we can connect on WhatsApp if you’re cool.

Dogo246:
You sound like somebody I know lmao. But continue. You know yourself.

lol in your dreams

Guest911:


@OP I was in your shoes as well, I made money during the crypto bull run too, I lost most of it too to altcoins, but I'm a programmer so the remote jobs paid better than crypto. I have relocated to Canada. I don't really have many regrets, except I should have chosen a different city with more job opportunities. and I should have acquired some certifications before coming here like health care certs, CPR certs, and the rest.
Those jobs pay well even for part-time.
Anyway, the bottom line is purchasing power in Nigeria is quite low now coupled with the insecurity. So starting a business is uninspiring. I would suggest you do some research acquire relevant skills and certificates before relocating.

WhT is stopping you from relocating to a better city if you don’t mind me asking.
You mean health care pay more than the programming job you’re currently doing? What would you’ve done differently if you where still in naija about to make such decision.
What other skills and certifications would you recommend since you are there and know how the system works

Lekan239:
so you have it then. The rich are taking billons in loans. Even usa still dey collect loans. Don't let anybody deceive you

I know. Taking loan is not bad. But using it to start up a new business is what I don’t support. It’s better to use it to expand your already stable business and remember loans abroad is Easier expecially for real estate with their mortgage system.

GboyegaD:


There is enough information on and off Naira land to guide however, coming to ask from people who have no idea what your life/plans/aspirations are is not proper enough.

Yes i understand you and trust me I read up on things about japa both the good and the bad but I needed to get a clear perspective base on my situation. Remember everyone’s case is different. My question is if relocation is worth if. I love to learn from person’s experience cos I hate regrets.

genkins:


Also relocating doesn’t come fast like that. It takes atleast 1 year

That is if it is Canada..you can get UK in 6weeks.
I've tried biz in Nigeria..Nigeria always frustrates business..no light,security etc..think we'll sha.tnx for ur response

UK is a no no. U get nothing in return not even passport while they suck you dry. No good jobs apart from care jobs. U can imagine someone that has seen millions going to uk to do care jobs with no even guarantee of getting a good job afterwards and passport lmao. Canada remains the best

HellVictorinho6:
does it mean ur certificate or degree is useless?

It is to me right now. The world is revolving and you don’t want to be stucked in the past. Traveling out would mean a change in career for me.

Evii:
Chairman I advice you learn a skill and then relocate abroad. Pls, I'm interested in crypto trading but don't know how to go about it, all I do at the moment is buy when the price is low and sell when it's high but I'm a novice in trading. Pls Sir, can I get your contact for you to put me through.

HELP A BROTHER

It’s probably the best thing to do for now since we’re still in bear season. Buying right now would set you up for the bull run. U don’t need much trading. Trading meme coins is super risky

Lekan239:
Good to the bank. Take a loan with ur property let's say about 20-40m naira loan. Start up something tangible.

Don't mind those people saying learn a skill. Na everybody dey learn skill

Omo I don’t really buy the idea of using loan to start a business. It’s too much risk. Business is not really a problem for me. 20m is something I can make easily in crypto and beside I won’t even have time for the business. I just need to set up something for my wife

Lekan239:
ur story is not far from what I'm currently facing that's why I know and said all that.

I have assest too. House, land etc. But all that are just assest. Low in cash....

I also earn online and its not guaranteed.

Though I could easily still save for my japa plan within three-four month if it was only me, but fortunately I have a wife and a son.

After handling millions, I can't see my self doing 9-5 atleast not in Nigeria never.

Going abroad with my family will translate to me selling my properties. I don't also.

Not everybody will relocate abroad.

I am two years younger than you are. I already started a little biz for my wife.

Will continue saving hear and will continue hoping for a better future.

Though sometimes I think about japa, but I no dey japa

story of my life bro! It’s just a hard decision to make. It may look like you’re indecisive but for someone that has seen millions leaving and going to start life afresh with so much uncertainty is just too hard. My two brother in-laws are in America. They left as students tho they had nothing in Nigeria and still young. Most times they ask me to relocate but man these guys are not in my shoes lol. People way never see money no go understand. All there own na japa japa

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Mcslize:
My advice; relocate. It will open you to better opportunities.

I believe you're still yet to become a full time crypto trader. I guess you buy coins and sell when they appreciate. That's just one aspect.

I will advice you learn Future trading; an aspect of crypto trading. It's actually a skill. Learn it and you will never have any reason to want to work any 9-5 job.

Do you know how to do Technical Analysis? Can you analyze any crypto asset? If you haven't learned how to do Technical Analysis, that's the aspect you should focus on right now to learn and master it.

Technical Analysis is a sustainable skill on its own. I will advise you to learn that or Forex trading instead of the coding.

When you know something, it becomes your full time job. I know how much most Forex and technical crypto traders are making. It's a long term skill that will put food on your table forever.

I mean real technical traders o not just those that only buy coins and sell coins I am referring to o. Professional technical traders that can analyse any crypto asset and trade it.

I believe persons like Habby Forex and Jeffrey Benson who take Forex as full time skill won't be thinking of learning any other thing. Those are Technical Forex traders that master their skills and it's what is putting food on their table till date. I guess person like Habby won't wake up one day and say he wants to learn another skill when what he already knows is making him millions of dollars every year.

That's why I said go and learn the technical side of crypto trading not just merely buying of Meme coins to sell in the future.

Relocate if you have the means but try and learn the technical aspect of trading and become a professional crypto or Forex technical trader. That's the real deal.

Selfkontrol

Thanks for the advice. I think the technical analysis is spot on. But sometimes market conditions beats all technical analysis, bad news also drive price, future its basically for altcoins in good exchanges and it’s also the fastest way to get liquidated if you’re not careful. Technical analysis imo works better with forex compared to crypto but still good to know it. What I do is hodl solid altcoins for long term and trade meme coins. So everyday I hunt for the next shiny meme coins to make quick bucks and sell, reinvest them into solid projects for the bull run. Hodling strong altcoins beats trading them on the long run. And yes I’m a full time trader. I got burnt a lot this bear season which is normal. Even the best traders have huge losses. It’s just time consuming to trade all dY. Future trading is worse. U can get heart attack with future even with all the technical analyses lmao. If I can hit my target this coming bull run, I will do less trading and more of hodling while I focus on physical business like real estate etc. thanks for your input

zomby:


For now, relocate your wife and secure a visa that gives you access to her. As long as your wife is loyal, strong, sensible, and not from certain part of Nigeria all should be fine.
Continue with your plans in Nigeria and see what happens. If things go well, you can continue to shuttle btw Nigeria and Canada or wherever you choose.
If things don’t go as planned, you can always join your wife in Canada.

Jagaban is here with a better strategy to move Nigeria forward…My advice to folks is not to close your eyes on Nigeria; something special is ahead. Be part of it.

thank you for your input. I really don’t fancy that option. I don’t consider it marriage if you both can’t be together. I mean we’re young couples.if I have to relocate it has to be both of us.

LandMann:
Indiscipline, challenging environment and lack of focus is why you are unable to learn a skill in Nigeria.

In you spend 25-30 million to migrate to Canada, nobody would tell you to sit up and learn any available skill to perfection so that the money you've spent migrating won't turn to waste.

Also, the challenge of paying bills in whatever country you migrate to will force you to sit up or risk failing and returning to Nigeria.

If I was in your shoes with same opportunities I'd risk 5 million to load up on any one or two crypto that will blow next bull run... Then I'd stop day trading and use the next 18 to 24 months to focus on learning a skill that will be useful to me if I decide to be self employed in future...

Once you've acquired the skills you can then decide to migrate from Nigeria if you so want.

In all this, I think you need an accountability partner... Someone to monitor your progress in your skill learning journey and motivate you to continue before you find another excuse to abandon your plan or course of action.

I can be your guide and accountability partner, your vocal conscience to motivate you to succeed and always remind you of the cost of failing. Send me a pm.

Thank you sir. I think you’re right in some part. I stopped learning simply becos I can’t combine coding for hours and trading for hours. The coding time was making me miss out a lot of trading opportunities. I’m really not good at multitasking especially two fields that demands same attention. One would suffer. I’m literally on my pc and phone from morning till night watching charts and looking for the next coin to buy. It’s really not easy, if at all I want to go into tech, it has to be a less demanding one so I can still trade crypto

damosky12:


Guy. On this forum, you'll get lots of conflicting advice from people who are no where near you are...

But, reasonably, if you have amassed a worth of tens of millions for yourself at this age, I honestly think you've done well for yourself. I understand that your crypto trading business is not stable, but you know as much as I do that you can establish yourself and your wife with what you have now...

There are much advantages in relocating to Canada too. You could acquire sellable skills and relocate to get a job there. However, the cons of that are that it's a new terrain. It's like a leap into the unknown. From my observation, most of those who have japa to Canada prolly wouldn't have if they had half of what you have...

All in all, I think you should pray about it all. What worked for another person may ruin you. And what didn't work for another person could prolly be your fort. The best is to pray about it. The God who made you had your story. He knows the way you ought to go than you ever would.

My few cents.

Thank you sir for this great advice.

genkins:

Bros,
If I knew what u know at such a young age,il be sharing fence with them looters in maitama here.you should Japa IMO,There I think u school and work while ur wify work full-time.it will be easier make dollars to position for the next bullrun at a bigger level.then you can come back asumming NG is better by then.pls il like to know what you are positioning for the bullrun.if you drop your email,I will send u a mail.plszi would appreciate.i can see Shiba Inu made you.pls ill like to know what u are positioning for.

Raising money for bull run is not at issue cos I currently have a few coins like $dione $rio $ator that would do well in bull run. Also relocating doesn’t come fast like that. It takes atleast 1 year. Any plans I have is after bull run. If it doesn’t works out the way I foresee then I have to leave or use the available resource I have to set up a biz. That’s the essence of this thread

Gerrard59:


I am late to this, but stay in Nigeria. You laid the foundation for the wealth. You were not beauqthed, na you do am yourself. You are going 31, all things been equal, if you follow Express Entry and succeed, you should be 33/34. A big IF because you don't have the necessary work experience, additional degrees, wouldn't be interested in learning a new language etc. If you were 26 or max 28 and single, I would have said run it. But you don pass 30, which in my opinion, folks should stay put in Nigeria except they are able to relocate on a work visa. In your case, such a profile is nonexistent and your wife is pregnant.

Stay put in Nigeria.

Look for a physical business that has the potential to succeed/run itself in the long run. Run some programmes at Lagos Business School to gain insights and build a network. Your wife should be deeply involved. She is better off monitoring affairs in the new business than selling wigs. That too is not sustainable in the long term unless she owns a factory in Vietnam or China.

Yes, bore your children in the US if possible. Offer the best education, school and parental. With that education, they can stand gidigbam in any part of the world. If safety is an issue for you, move to a less restive state.

Thanks Chief for your advice. Really appreciate.
The plan is to set up a beauty shop for my wife.
I haven’t yet figured out a business for myself. The real estate demands huge investment which I plan to do in next 2-3 years. I understand all these That’s why I haven’t even made the move. Thank you

GboyegaD:
I still don't understand how grown ups keep thinking they need people to validate their thoughts/actions. If you want to migrate, it should come from a place of conviction within yourself and not someone advising you on that.

It’s not a matter of seeking for validation. My brother having convictions or not you don’t just travel because of your convictions. Life abroad is life of uncertainty. U need to be properly guarded. Only fools travel without necessary information and so far Nairaland is full of many knowledgeable people home and abroad with wealth of experience

Skyview01:


It beats my imaginations why you will need advice of random strangers to make a life altering decision. I am in shock like Buhari!

Asking questions never goes wrong. The ones you ask in google who do you think writes them? Aliens?
I’m not asking for validation. I’m asking for advice from well experienced people. Na where your knowledge end nai another person own start

pacificom:
Most answers you will get here is certainly to JAPA. Let me first credit your bright initiative to have invested successfully in your crypto business. I won't say you should stay or go, but let me help you to break down your chances in the two ways. Certainly Nowhere is like home. It could have been better for you to have conspire this travelling idea while you are still single than now that you have your own family. The major problem of abroad is the issue of securing the permanent residence alongside family members. If you are a moralist and a decent man, you may not like to break the law of your nature to keep the law of the foreign land. But if you however succeed by all means, you and your family will luckily settle for a good and stable life in abroad. Meanwhile Nigeria won't be a bad place for an intelligent and smart thinking individual. It is forseable that the new government is capable of stabilizing the economy and create attractive opportunities that will benefit young entrepreneurs. Nigeria is a land of opportunities and just good leadership will make things look as if we are in a different country from Buhari's era. Home advantage can give you benefit of becoming successful and enjoy the fruit of your labour alongside your family & friends in your our cultural society . But there are frustrating rules in abroad that can cause serious problem for immigrants and make you miss home and sometimes think this can't happen to me in Nigeria. My final advise for you is to be patience and monitor the way things are going with the new government in Nigeria. Don't rush out and later be eyeing golden opportunities back home. Good luck !

One of the best advice. Thank you sir.

bonnyhope:


Continue lieing to yourself

Lol why would I come here to lie? To what end. In what aspect do you even think I’m lying about? The crypto or what? Well if it’s the crypto then you have no idea. Educate yourself a little

sammirano:
Respect to your trading abilities. I believe you will do well in tech or maybe you kuku switch to finance (Investment). Finance is still in hot cake.

Thanks bro for your advice

Lekan239:
property valued 60-70m. Which means this figures are in assest not in raw cash. For a man to start thinking like this, it means u are broke(cashless) now, or u foresee u will be in the nearest future.

Now how will you finance your japa plan, are u intending on selling your properties for this plan.

Another aspect is are those assets in good location that will prompt people to buy them quickly. Will you be able to sell them within a month.

My conclusion is if u japa, u will start 9-5jobs starting from scratch... you that already seen and handle millions, can u cope with working other someone for peanut.... or u can think about starting a biz no matter how little here in Nigeria, and become ur own boss

Thanks for your input sir. You’re not far from the truth but I won’t say I’m broke. We’re in bear season so money doesn’t flow like that compared to bull season.
Yes they are in good locations. I have a single property valued at 37m in a top estate. I don’t intend selling them to travel though.
Even if I have to travel it would probably take a year or two, by then I would have generate enough money from crypto.

That’s my fear too. 9-5 scares me like crazy. If I was still starting life with little to nothing, I don’t think I would here asking questions becos I know the part to follow

ednut1:
Stay in Nigeria. You do not have relevant skills that can make you integrate easily. If you do that crypto here be ready to pay heavy taxes on it. Btw i dont believe all these crypto traders people na yahoo una dey do jare 🤣

lol you have no idea. People are making a killing in crypto. In bull season people make millions of dollars with just $5k or even less.

Kizzygentle:
Wetin be crypto.. Bro if u have made enough money to relocate with your family, please do... That's my candid advice..

Haha money day crypto bro. If not for some bad trades I made, I’d probably be 10x richer right now and probably won’t contemplate japa but still thanks for your input

Good day Nairalanders. Pls I need some mature advice because I’ve been in a dilemma for a long time now concerning relocating abroad or staying back in Nigeria.
First of all I’m not a japa advocate. I believe if you’re doing well in Nigeria then there’s no point relocating abroad but I feel there’s so much uncertainty and I don’t know what the future holds for me in this country.

Now I’m a married man of 30 years. I will turn 31 by this September. We have no child yet but wife is preg now. I have a B.Eng in petroleum Engineering but have never worked in my life. My current business is crypto trading which I have been doing for years now. During the 2021 crypto bull run I made lot of money and acquired some properties that’s currently valued atleast 60-70m naira in total. bought my car same year and got married same year to my long time Gf, settled some family members etc . I don’t have any other investments or business aside my properties and crypto portfolio because crypto trading has taken all my time and I won’t complain because so far it has been good. Making money in dollars while in Nigeria is bliss. Even though we have been in bear season since 2022, I still make some money every now and then that’s sustainable for now until we hit another bull run which is likely to happen from next year 2024.

My fear lies here, on the long run crypto trading is not sustainable. If not for 2021 bull run I don’t think I would be in this position and even the projected bull run next year is not 100% certain

I plan on learning a programming skill which is very difficult, I tried learning it late last year but stopped along the line because it was distracting me from trading and missing some opportunities in crypto because making money is most important. Coding would probably take me a few years before I start earning even though it is sustainable long term but crypto trading can be life changing but not sustainable long term . It’s more like a gamble most times.

My plan A, is to gather enough money from now till 2025 which is the duration of the projected bull run if it happens and start investing in real estate development, Like building and selling and other businesses too but I don’t know how feasible that is in our present day Nigeria and if I don’t make my target amount, I might have to start with the available resources present.

plan B, gather some money, learn a skill then relocate to Canada with my family via study route since I don’t have any real work experience aside crypto trading but that would mean me going to study and starting afresh.

For my wife, she also has a degree in Human Resources with just nysc as working experience. She learnt wig making and installation and has been doing her online biz selling wigs etc.

Abroad folks, what are my chances abroad considering my current profile. Is it worth it coming over there to start afresh
And build? I have heard so many things how it’s hard getting a job and you have to rely on survival jobs for the first few years expecially for someone without any work experience.

I really don’t like joining the bandwagon cos everyone seems to be leaving, I love to weigh my options and hate taking unnecessary risk that might lead to regrets, at the same time don’t want to regret not leaving since I’m still young and have the opportunity that’s why I’m here asking these questions to learn from experienced and matured family men home and abroad the action they would take. We learn everyday,

For my unborn kids, if everything checks out, my plan is to give birth to them in either Canada or US for the passport and raise them in Nigeria and when they are grown, send them to study there and that is only if I’m not relocating. And if I’m relocating, what are the in-demand skills and professions I have to take since it’s clear I might be going to school because I hate survival jobs. What is your advice pls.
Mature advice pls. Thank you 🙏
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