₦airaland Forum

IronGalaxy:
I'm not trying anything here, I'm pointing out a fact.. Sizwe Mpofu doesnt classify himself as colored because he isn’t one, he doesn't come from the colored lineage or culture.. for the umpteenth time.

Yes of course Sizwe is "Biracial" now. A new racial category recently recognized in your society to delineate himself from the one which previously included him. People just hoping into racial categories willy nilly in your societies njeh.

IronGalaxy:
To be racially "colored" gave birth to the colored culture, so to be racially colored and to be culturally colored are both mutually dependent

They are not mutually dependent because one is contingent upon the other to have occurred. One gave birth to the other. MIXED RACE people gave birth to the colored culture of South Africa.

SMH.

IronGalaxy:
Phenotype means nothing.. many black South Africans appear colored as well, so when a mixed heritage American arrives in SA and is assumed to be colored that doesnt mean anything, it doesn't make that person colored.

You are validating my point here. Gayton Mckenzie phenotypically and racially" appears" as a black man. He cannot both appear colored and be colored in the same breath but is indeed culturally a colored person.

IronGalaxy:
There's no wrong or right here, racial dynamics of other countries dont have to make sense to you.. In the same way Obama is called black in America because of their One-drop rule.. the same Obama would be considered bi-racial in many countries

Give it a rest Mfethu. There are observable truths and there are also social constructs. In general, race is a construct but if we are to play by these dynamics there must be rules to it otherwise the construct is invalid in every manner and we are in biological terms simply all humans.

IronGalaxy:
You are again repeating what I said earlier.. but rephrasing it to sound more intelligent .. I said many times before, it's not enough for a mixed person to be colored.. but that person has to be culturally colored, hence I used people like Trevor Noah, who are mixed but aren't to colored to support that point, but then again, here we are

You are trying to be clever by the statement "its not enough for a mixed person to be colored........ I use the term "mixed-race" and you intentionally omit it the "race' part and substitute it with "person" to support your claim that "colored" is indeed a valid racial category.

We are not saying the same thing then and if we are then you must accept that to be "culturally" colored and to be "racially" colored are not the same thing.

Apartheid got it wrong. Case in point. An American of mixed racial heritage will be "racially' categorized or identified as a "colored" when he arrives in South Africa if he doesn't say anything, when he is obviously not because "colored" cannot SIMULTENOUSLY be a racial designation and a cultural one.

Please stop confusing yourself. Colored is a cultural designation.

IronGalaxy:
Lol. You're always on some delusional tip. I've been telling you for the longest time that coloreds are "mixed," but not every "mixed" person is a colored, and we went back and forth over this, now youre telling me the very same thing like you just discovered it.. youre a certified clowwn

The contention was never the fact that coloreds were not a mixed race people. The contention was that the racial designation of “colored” was a misnomer and instead is in fact a “cultural’ category because if Biracial people are indeed mixed race(black and white) the coloreds cannot fall under the same racial category and simultaneously be RACIALLY categorized as colored. Doesn’t make any logical sense.

If you can’t follow the logic Mfethu. I don’t know what to tell you.

IronGalaxy:
Shikena my foot! You were also grappling with this concept for the longest of time., same.as this.person

This is fact my friend. You can't just make up nonsense because you feel like it in South Africa. You will be called out. We live in a global village now.

KingCold:
Yes, our country, our rules.. if you dont like it, you can jump into the nearest cliff

I won't. I will keep fighting people like you who want a world where the truth is subjective and people are allowed to make up rules that have no basis on fact.

History has shown us what happens when we allow people to get away with what has been termed as "alternative facts"

Elliotwaveforec:
Criminal, why are you south African men ugly?

Bros no blame them no be their fault. That is why their ladies dey nack every other type of man wey dem see for South Africa.

Even pakistani.

KingCold:
For someone who claims to have an anthropology degree, you're utterly clueless..

A mestizo is a person of mixed European (primarily Spanish/Portuguese) and Indigenous American ancestry, meaning, before the European even set foot in Latin America..mestizos didn't exist.. but are now are a recognized ethnic group within Latin America eg.. Ecuador, Honduras, Guatemala, Mexico..eg..

Colored South Africans came of the same way..

A mestizo and a Mulato are indeed both mixed race people.

The categorizing of them specific to Latin America is no different from differentiating between a Cape colored Malay versus a Durban colored.

KingCold:
Fortunately.. our country, our rules..

Spoken like a true neo conservative protectionist right winger.

IronGalaxy:
Lol.. this exact comment sounds as uneducated as it can get.. coloreds and bi-racials arent the same thing, but I'm not about to waste my time arguing this with a clueless Nigerian

A more nuanced answer would be:
A colored person in the SOuth african context is mixed raced person.

A Biracial person is also a mixed race person as well. ( mixed with black and white)

They are genetically and phenotypically the same thing however "culturally" they may differ.

Shikena!

oluxy:
Did EFF condemn the killings of Nigerians in SA?

Killings of Nigerians in SA not dangerous to Africa unity.

Yes he condemned the Xenophobia in South Africa against black Africans and continues to do so till date. The man has even taken loses in elections because of foreigners so don't comment on what you are not sure about.

ViVA EFF.

Long live the CIC. The last of the breed of the dying breed of Pan Africanist that we have left.

RandDigital:
My wish for you this Xmas is to learn the meaning of foreign national 🙏🏽🎄

Save that wish for the salvation of your fellow citizens who refer to other Africans as makwerekwere or grigamba.

PS. Basotho people are honorary South Africans who reside across an invisible border line Bantustan. They are indistinguishable from their Sotho brethren who live across the border.

IronGalaxy:
Now, we're getting somewhere.. instead of saying "South Africans are xenophobic." a better way to put it would be "SOME."

Just as SOME " Nigerians are xenophobic... eg, Ghana must go..

But you can't say it explicitly. You want me to correct what I said instead of stating whether some your people are Xenophobic.

RandDigital:
11 suspects arrested today for Sunday's tavern mass shooting - most are undocumented foreigners involved in illegal mining

Stop it Mfethu. Those are all Basotho people. They are still your people.

IronGalaxy:
At the risk of sounding like a broken record.. admit the rampant tribal bigotry in your country before asking others to do the same.. Practice what you preach. Smell yourself first

An oh, happy holidays, hypocrite

You are disturbing my destruction of this plate of Nkwobi right in front of me.

Can't you read. Seppuku has already admitted there are tribal bigots who exist in Nigeria.

Now can you admit from the mouth of Irongalaxy aka Kingcold that there are Xenophobic South Africans?

It's not hard Mfethu. Don't worry you haven't betrayed Mzanzi by just admitting this fact.

PS. how's that Zulu Inkabi accused of Killing Warras doing, I heard they postponed his case till January. Eish!

IronGalaxy:
Just leave this guy and he's a hypocrite.. You'll have a back and forth that will lead nowhere.. waste of time

So says the South African "patriot" who is so blindly loyal to his country that he can't admit the obvious about the existence of Xenophobia.

Don't worry I understand. SAn's have an unspoken code and don't air their dirty laundry in public. I get it my brah, but that doesn't take away from the truth.

From one hypocrite to another.

Merry Christmas and Happy new year in advance. I am off to owambes to eat plenty jollof and pepper soup.

Seppuku signing off for the holidays.

RandDigital:
Nigerians dislike each other along zones, tribes, religions, goodness knows what else...

Cape Town has the biggest Muslim population in SA and has had no issue for decades. So, don't try and cause religious rifts in SA.

But its foreigners with their militant ideas that will start radicalizing the docile cape malay and muslims populations.

Aren't you worried about that?

These foreigners are dangerous njeh!

IronGalaxy:
Okay

Aren't you and Randdigital worried or you only dislike Nigerians and Zimbabweans?

IronGalaxy:
Look, this is simple.. if you can easily say South Africans are like this and that..

You can easily say Nigerians are this and that..

I won't entertain your hypocrisy.

Just say it Mfethu. Your people are Xenophobic. Free your mind!

Stubborn people.

IronGalaxy:
Yes, there's a big muslim community, but it's mostly from Indians

With the way those pakistani's and somali's are escaping xenophobia in joburg, its about to become a majority muslim city in no time.

IronGalaxy:
Use the same logic with Nigeria and tribalis.m..

You can't admit it can you?

Shame!

IronGalaxy:
You admit that there are "SOME" Nigerians who are tribalistic, and yet you want me to admit that South Africans" are Xenophobic," why not "SOME"?

Commons sense would guide you to understanding that the "xenophobic" designation cannot be generalized and thus cannot apply to "all" people.

Now admit your people are Xenophobic and stop moving goal posts.

IronGalaxy:
I will, the day you admit.. your own tribalisti.c nature.. until then, I owe you no explaination

Admitted. There are Nigerians who are tribalistic.

Can you admit that your people are Xenophobes hiding behind the mask of Patriotism?

SixSeven:
. Yeah, that's true. You can be anything but xenophobic

My brother dem know themselves.

My brother Irongalaxy no wan accept the truth.

IronGalaxy:
Nah.. dismissing people's identities has nothing to do with having a sharp brain..

Peneul must be as dismissive as me then.

I wonder what "his" motive is?

IronGalaxy:
The are 4 main racial categories in SA, Black, White, Indian, and colored. These are options when you fill in the form.. All these have their distinct cultures.. This is the reality in SA Seppuku, and you're fighting thick and thin to disapprove it.. why?

You can post this video, so what? Most of us classify it as race, so what? Coloreds themselves classify it as race. What are you disapproving?

I am proving that I am not the only one with a sharp brain who doesn't just swallow things hook, line and sinker.

IronGalaxy:
again. Let's not act as if you didn't see her explain her heritage on that clip I uploaded, even if it was short.. What was fundamentally wrong with it? Nothing..

Is colored a racial category or a culture.

I say it's a culture. You say it's a racial category but of course I can't espouse that view because Seppuku is not a South African and should mind his own business you must be the one who knows better

Here's a video from one of your own then. Notice throughout his narrative, he never equates the term colored with a "racial" category.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXx9q4i9zSI

IronGalaxy:
Yup, let's act as if you didn't see her explain what colored was in that video. Yu're dragging a non-issue here

Trevor explains it to the Americans, no uproar.

Casper explains to the Americans, no uproar.

AKA manages to explain it to the Americans, no uproar.

I guess they were just pissed off at the way Tyla explains hers.

Those Americans!

IronGalaxy:
A snippet on the interview explaining innit? way before that Breakfast Club interview.. I've seen the entire video btw, but even I can't the full one anymore

So we have to go by your word then since the internet has pulled all evidence of interviews before the breakfast club interview but we still have the one of Trevor and AKA

Shame.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MldH4-35sI8

IronGalaxy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWVGfXkx5Bs

That's a snipit of an interview and then the rest is commentary by other people. Where is that specific interview. I have searched. I can't find it.

IronGalaxy:
No, Seppuku.. She mentioned her colored heritage many times before that Breakfast Club interview.. and every time she did, she faced backlash as she was accused of "looking down on black people" blah blah.. so her team advised her to avoid this question in the Breakfast Club interview..

Please post an interview she did before the breakfast club debacle. Let me educate myself.

IronGalaxy:
But that's exactly what she said, more than once even

That's what she "clarified" after the fact/backlash not when she was on the breakfast club.