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IronGalaxy:
Tyla already explained the same question to the Americans.. those who cared to understand, understood

She didn't explain anything. She simply repeated the fact that she was colored with explaining what it meant.

She could have just stated I come from a community of people who are of mixed racial heritage but we refer to ourselves as colored with a distinct language, culture and way of life.

Trevor Noah explained this perfectly in an interview he and AKA were once on in America and I understood the concept clearly. AKA( God rest his soul) being a true colored struggled to convey what it was to be colored.

IronGalaxy:
The bolded is definitely not true. How does a mixed person of Brazil have a "colored" culture? You keep putting emphasis on the "mixed" aspect, and ignore the culture. Culture is what makes a mixed person colored

If a colored person travels to Brazil and he is asked what is your "race"How does he respond without explaining that to be colored is to be Mixed race.

If Gatyon travels to Brazil and is asked what is your race. How does he respond?

IronGalaxy:
Sorry buddy, there's nothing to flush here. Colored is a real racial category that exists both in SA and Namibia,, you saying otherwise doesn't nullify their existence..

I can understand how coloreds want to hang on to an outdated non scientific racial designation because they are emotionally invested in the term, however please don't expect the rest of us in the rest of the world to indulge in that delusional thinking.

New races are not developed in less than 10,000 years.

IronGalaxy:
Colored people can look like all these groups owing to their distinction of having the highest genetic mix in the world..

Ergo they are mixed race people who are culturally or ethnically "colored".

Hispanic or Latino people are not a race of people which is why you have White hispanics as well.

Colored people are not a race of people which is why we can tolerate people like Gayton claiming he is a colored.

IronGalaxy:
Even in topics that are not about "right" or "wrong".. you want to assume the position of being right.. People with this attitude rarely learn anything

I am not assuming that I am right. I am flushing out your argument. In the end the evidence is presented and its irrelevant if you convince me or not. The information is there for all to see.

IronGalaxy:
There are colored people mistaken for hispanics and arabs, so this is not the "gotcha" moment you think it is

That's because those two groups of people are heavily mixed race people if you didn't know.

IronGalaxy:
Yes, you're slow..

Gayton Mckenzie must be one of those "black" mixed race colored people.

Once he leaves South Africa if mistaken for black the rest of us must just be slow.

Gotcha!

IronGalaxy:
Um..
We are not, we wouldn't be doing this back and forth
It's a racial category, same as mestizo in Latin America..

So in South Africa we have 4 official race categories.

Black
White
Indian
Bi-racial/Mixed race
Colored.

but only Colored people are allowed to jump hoops via race and ethnicity as one thing. You guys are so smart. We are so slow.

IronGalaxy:
At this point, you're hellbent in not understanding.. but as I always say, you're like arguing for arguing's sake, and it's downright annoying because you always want to assume you know best and you wanna assume the last word. Like I said..

Colored people are mixed people first and foremost. . infact, they're the most genetically diverse group in the world..

BUT not every mixed person in SA is coloured, and i made examples with Trevor Noah and Sizwe Walsh.

Why are these examples not coloured?

Because to be colored, you must come from that culture, and your parents, grandparents must come from that culture; in other words, they must be colored as well..

So a child of a black man and a white woman cannot be coloured, because they don't come from that culture, one parent is Zulu with his own culture, and another parent is a white Afrikaner with her own culture, so they can't give birth to a "colored." The child is bi-racial..

Tyla answered the question the best way she knew how. You and the world not understanding is not our problem

So we are saying the same thing. Colored is not a race.

Shikena!

IronGalaxy:
Go to Google and go search "colored people" and tell me if it gives you a Brazil result..
By colored people i do not only mean ".mixed" i said it before that, Trevor Noah is mixed but is not "colored", the only colored people you find in SA and Namibia.

So Trevor can be Biracial and mixed at the same time but a Colored is a Colored and not mixed race.

That's why Tyla couldn't answer the question correctly when they asked her if she was black, mixed race or colored.

You see this is the confusion that sets in when we start to blur lines of what is considered "race". You say its semantics.

SMH

Kalulu44:
Let's leave the death of the this DJ Warras first.
But that talk of don't speak ill of the dead is stale and will continue to be so.
As a dead man, it's what you did before you die that will be talked about, either good or bad. So if a known bad person dies, they shouldn't talk ill of him bcus he's dead

We are not talking about Hitler here. I have some amount of decency in me so I wont go there. I dont know the man personally to judge all his deeds but you are free to carry on.

I have said my piece.

IronGalaxy:
No, colored people aren't a monolith.. There are colored people who lean more to the Asian side.. Some colored people lean more to Indonesia, Singapore, Southeast Asia, and have little European admixture, some are heavily Khoisan, like those coloreds from Kimberly.. some were from a heavy mixing of just black and white, and some just look like any black South African. That's why just jumping to the conclusion that all coloreds people are just European descendants often doesn't tell the full picture. You can't call the most genetically mixed group in the world "European descendants."

I agree with the above statement, however with all due respect to DJ Warras's case and my observation from his phenotype and that of his family, I stand by the assertion that he is more European than not


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBqsVmLcdSw

IronGalaxy:
Irrelevant semantics..
If he's 25% Bantu and 25% Khoisan, that would mean he's 50% Black African

Hypothetically yes. I actually think he is more European than black because so called colored communities would most likely introgress european genes into their groups making some sets of children more European genetically.

My educated guess.

IronGalaxy:
What do you think you've proven here? That colored people are multi-ethnic?

Those are races not ethnicities or culture.

IronGalaxy:
If you're gonna insist he's of European descent.. You should also include other of his lineages, because his "European" lineage does not exist in a vacuum..

Stubborn people are those who wanna impose their racial classification on others, as we have seen with the Tyla debacle and yourself

Dj Warras-
25% European descent( White)
25% Black African descent ( Bantu)
25% Black African ( Khoisan
25% Other- possibly Asian ( Gujurat Indian)

Conclusion. He is of European descent at a 25% confidence interval therefore is 1/4 European.

How's that?

IronGalaxy:
So if being "mixed-race" was the only prerequisite for being colored, then Sizwe Mpofu Walsh would be colored too.. but he's not! So what is he? Bi-racial.... So what does it mean to be "colored" ? more than being mixed.. these people have their own culture

There's no spinning here, we can't go back and forth, with how another man classifies himself..

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/yiMgZSkmt-c

This does not negate the fact that he is indeed of European descent.

This is the reason your Tyler got in trouble. Stubborn people.

maasoap:
I don't even understand your point and how it relates to what I was discussing with the other guy

You mentioned deportations. I stated that it would not be lucrative in any way to mandate any sort of mass deportations.

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IronGalaxy:
You must refrain from this habit of thinking you know it all
1. He's colored. from the horse's mouth, so why dispute the way someone classifies themselves?

but he has said he is Zulu boy.

IronGalaxy:
2. You don't have to speak Afrikaans to be colored.. Durban coloreds speak English and Zulu, primarily, most of them aren't fluent in Afrikaans

SO what makes them colored. The fact that they are...dan dan dan.... Mixed race.

IronGalaxy:
3. His appearance means nothing; colored people look like that, even Cape Malays can look exactly like that. Even full Black South Africans btw

You said make an educated guess. Judging from his appearance and that of his sisters. I conclude they are mixed race. They definitely have one parent or grand parent who is full European which would mean they are either 50% or 25% European.

Full black south africans cannot look like that unless they have an ancestor who is either Khoi, Asian or White. Please stop it.

We can spin this anyway, you want.

IronGalaxy:
4. Someone with a British father and a mother of another race, eg, Sizwe Mpofu Walsh.. would be "bi-racial' not colored

biracial and mixed race are not the same thing eh!

IronGalaxy:
You're the one disputing he's colored, so you tell me what he is

He is mixed race, judging from his appearance and that of his sisters and kids ( I watched his memorial service). I would deduce that he is half British ( because he's from durban) and part Zulu/Khoisan.

He is coloured by culture/designation but doesn't speak Afrikaans.

IronGalaxy:
He is not of European descent. Seppuku, and he's not European as your compatriot was insinuating..

So tell us what he is because coloured is not a race my friend. If it was why didn't it exist before 1652?

maasoap:
You can deport. Trump and USA are deporting illegal immigrants at the moment and no one is shouting xenophobia. You know what people mean when they shout xenophobia

Economy that are exploiting the labor of migrants. If they deport millions of people who will pay rent in those hijacked buildings, South Africans?

Bros you no know wetin dey happen.

IronGalaxy:
Lol, you really don't have to comment on everything .. someone with a 7% European DNA is not of European descent. this is very negligible

DJ Warras was definitely not 7% european if that is what you are insinuating.

wiseone28:
You try 👍

I always loved the way you countered them with facts without getting exhausted 😁😁😁

My brother that 4 million dollars is only one hijacked building, multiply by like 20 buildings and you go shout the money we people dey collect.

IronGalaxy:
You're laughing at your own stupid.ity here.. Which European country is Warras from? sometimes you people need to just shut it, light-skin doesn't mean European

I beg to differ the poster said "European by descent". He is technically correct.

IronGalaxy:
Nope. Your little analogy was irrelevant, hence I ignored it..

right right.

IronGalaxy:
With regards to foreign involvement, I stand by my points

I think I will stick with the expert commentator on the video I posted.

IronGalaxy:
South Africa has problems peculiar to it.. Nobody has the number of immigrants we have, both illegal and legal, and nobody understands the myriad of problems that come with this.. so why do we owe you people explanations because you clearly have no understanding of the dynamics?

Your problem is duplicated across every neo Liberal, neo capitalist and democratic economy. There is nothing peculiar about your country other than the higher than normal crime rates that were already existent in your local population have been "slightly" exacerbated by the influx of illegal migrants. Otherwise its the same old story. Blame the "illegals" for everything story.

IronGalaxy:
Point1.. "Taking over" would mean there's no longer foreigner involvement, Seppuku please, let's not fool ourselves here, Hijacked buildings have never been devoid of foreigner involvement

The analogy of the slave raiders flew right over your head, neh. Taking over means they are the new overlords.

Please watch the videos that were posted. The commentator acknowledges that there is still foreign involvement in these operations and it is just sensible to agree with that notion as the majority of occupants in the buildings are "foreigners" and any syndicate would need assistance from low level foreign thugs.

IronGalaxy:
point2.. You're beginning to argue for argument's sake. Classic Sepukku. You cannot begin to compare tracing a documented South African with an undocumented person. This is just common sense

No you are getting tired of an intensive logical drill.

Lets put aside the border jumpers, Are the majority of foreigners including Nigerians undocumented? Did you guys not stamp them in with their names on their visa's. Majority of migrants in Joburg I would argue came in through the borders are were inspected. You do not have their information in the system.

If that is the case the error is your governments part and not on the part of the illegal.

Shame.

IronGalaxy:
Point3.. This assuming all Nigeirans are documented, of which is not the case

I said 90% giving room for the obvious fact that some may have come in by land borders undocumented

SMH

wiseone28:
Who owns these building that those people hijacked?

Can't the government send the police or military to evict everyone in such building and seal it off?

Their government are busy awarding tenders to the syndicates that are aligned with many of these building hijackers.

Even DJ Warras was trying to get into the business and may have been killed very likely as a result of perceived rivalry for the very lucrative business of collecting rent.

Their experts indicate that total rent collection are the 5 -6 million rands per month. That's 72 million rand a year which translates to about 4 million dollar per year business.

IronGalaxy:
Yet those things do happen, whether you can picture it or not. .. There have been many instances where a hijacked building had a Nigerian landlord or some foreign person.. I'm not talking hypotheses here, I'm talking about reality..

Point 1.Nobody has claimed that they weren't landlords using the past tense to indicate their involvement. We are talking about who has "taken over".

Point 2. Before the take over, how many reported cases of "foreigners" killing South Africans over non payment of rent.

IronGalaxy:
Point1.. So why have a problem then if we voice our displeasure with your crimes then?


Point2.. And what do illegal immigration problems lead to? Crime and the burdening of services. How many nameless people cross borders to commit crimes in SA and can't be found because they're untraceable?

Answer 1.You have a problem with "foreigners" period, whether they are legal, illegal, documented, undocumented, asylum seekers, ZEP permit holders etc. The "crime" thing is just a cover up.

Answer 2. Anectdotal evidence. You can't find your own citizens who commit crime talk less of borders jumpers. How is a human being who lives in South Africa untraceable when he has to eat, sleep, shit, travel, associate with others etc.

90% of Nigerians that entered South Africa were inspected at immigration when they came in, how is it when they come into the country you can't trace them from that point but can do so with your citizens.

We smell the B.S. my bruh. Hogwash!

IronGalaxy:
And tribals.m since when Seppuku?. always throwing stones while living in glass houses you peole are annoying

Cover your ears.

FlipModeSquade:
Classic play book of Xenophobialand.
Anyone noticed how even the police have no clue about the murderers and yet these children of hate are already pinning it on aliens?

When it comes out that it a Zulu inkabi who killed him they will say the guys mother is from Swaziland and they are not sure he is from SOuth Africa.

No mind dem my brother.

Xenophobic since 2008.

IronGalaxy:
South Africans being involved doesn't in any way negate the fact that foreigners are also involved. Two things can be true!.. The "helpless African immigrant trope" won't work with me, Sepukku so stop overplaying it. The are a lot of buildings that are still operated by foreigners to this day

Slave raiders were involved in the trans atlantic slave trade in cohoots with European slave traders and there is no sensible person one who will believe for a minute that they were the "masterminds" behind that heinous crime.

I can just picture a Nigerian drug lord walking into the SARS office to get an exemption for taxes due on these buildings.

Eish Bantu people!

IronGalaxy:
Nobody disputes that crime is crime.. so why did the ban Nigerians in the island of Seychelles? Because of crime.. was there no crime in the island before the Nigerian infux? I'm sure there was.. So telling crime is crime is pointless; no one will tolerate South African crimes in the US

Point 1. No one will tolerate crime by any national in any country.

Point 2. You have an illegal immigration problem in your country. You also have a high crime problem but one did not cause the other which is the propaganda your xenophobic people are perpetuating.

Somebody on this thread already illustrated that to you but you want us to excuse your xenophobic tendencies.

Nope. We see very clearly through the B.S.

IronGalaxy:
If you can easily admit that foreigners were doing such things in South Africa as early as the 90's, why then act surprised when there's such ill-feeling towards foreigners then? You carve a reputation, then whine and cry when measured by it..

Criminality is criminality and I hate the criminal whether he be Nigerian, South African, Congolese ,American or Japanese.

What I do not do that you guys are "experts" are is passing blame on a group of mostly poor, destitute, often persecuted, vulnerable human beings who a majority do not have anything to do with these criminal acts.

Stop projecting.

IronGalaxy:
Hijacked buildings are still very much the domain of foreigners, and definitely didn't end in the 90s, they're masterminds both in "ownership" and occupation. These places are also drug dens. They arrested a Somali man not long ago who was owning one of these buildings. I reiterate, stop presenting these immigrants as some helpless lambs

Granted there may be low level "foreigners" who are still involved in these nefarious activities please listen to your expert on who the current "masterminds" are and stopping lieing to us here.

You really think us for I.dio.ts


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KD-WERz2Nk


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jt-dZQ-n59s