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MuttleyLaff:
Dont mind this man ojaare, what's his business with, if this is the case, in what you and yours until death do apart, do in the privacy and comfort of your home, hmm?
Balls afterall, are there to be played with, arent they?

I dont want to offend you, so I'll refrain from commenting on this

#IfYouKnowYouKnow
Well, if you know, you know and who no know, no go know. Sorry.

This is déjà vu. It like one of those, "if you are the Son of God, throw yourself down, jump off!" or "If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread." moments. I am so-so sorry Shepherd00 but I've got trust issues not yet to tell and trust you with both info.



Shepherd00, please kindly tell EmperorHarry from the abundance of your vast knowledge and understanding the following:
1/ What again are men sexing men activities that carry a punishment of death by stoning?
2/ Why particularly did these men sexing men activities deemed an abomination and why so it carried a punishment of death?
cc EmperorHarry

MuttleyLaff:
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openmine, would that by a twist of fate, be you in the above jpeg with the placard and wagging your finger at those two men minding their own business, erhn? They are adult grown men, you know openmine. They in fact are consenting adults in a strictly monogamous, kind, trusting, caring, loving, helpful, faithful, honest, unharmful and committed life long until death do them part SSA relationships

I am quite aware we werent, but just was putting it into perspective that what is game and good for the goose, is equally game and good for the SSA relationship gander

What repetition are you accusing me of? What have I erroneously and incorrectly learned that I've repeatedly regurgitated here, hmm? Have I repeatingly been asking same questions at every available opportunity huh? Or is it, have I being grinding away using the "dripping tap" technique whilst repeating the questions instead of sticking to whatever is currently being discussed, huh? That's called subterfuge, "dripping tap" technique, is a trick or a dishonest way of trying to achieve something. OkCornel and Shepherd00 enjoy and like playing that trick, so if you are accusing me of something like that, you better be sure about it.

OK aside that, are you afterall not my dear overzealous and dedicated heckler fan ni? Do you want deny that you dont hold the coveted position and honour of being the dear overzealous and dedicated heckler #1 fan of mine, especially when talking of on this thread ni? openmine I am just following Bible. I am giving to you what I owe you. I am paying you respect and honor, acknowledging that you are my dear overzealous and dedicated heckler fan, that all. Check out Romans 13:7 nau, it's all in there. I've always from the beginning said, everything I type on this thread can be fact-checked, so this one is no exception and you can take it to the bank

Are you "sifially" pained, that I sound intelligible ni? Why then, what's generating this bitterness from you, hmm? It is unhealthy, if you dont know. If EmperorHarry is expecting something from me, he deems will be meaningful and useful info to him, as it crossed your mind openmine, that maybe, it means I've somehow given EmperorHarry reasons to believe in some facts, if not all, that's so far has been typed on this thread?. Is that whats terrified you? Or what exactly is the problem or cause for your dogged determination to heckle and disturb the peace of the thread sef openmine?

"And we ourselves know and believe the love which God has for us.
God is love, and those who live in love,
live in union with God and God lives in union with them."
- 1 John 4:16

My dear and beloved nwanne brother Image123, like I told above, my dear overzealous and dedicated heckler fan, these are two adult grown men and they in fact, are consenting adults in a strictly monogamous, kind, trusting, caring, loving, helpful, faithful, honest, unharmful and committed life long until death do them part SSA relationships, doing no nobody or anyone any harm. Nothing evil, nothing bad, and nothing wrong going on with them. What they are accused of or painted guilty of, is loving for real, each other and God is not vexed nor perturbed over that. God is love, and whoever abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him and him too.
cc EmperorHarry

EmperorHarry:
Muttleylaff,openmine,Shepherd00 and TV01.I am a liberal individual that understands what ignorance and prejudice can do to unenlightened people and the innocent victims.Sleep paralysis to the unenlightened is caused by demonic powers trying to kill one.Perhaps someone(B) is beside said unenlightened person(A) during such episodes,said unenlightened and "spiritually woke" individual(A) starts questioning the presence of the person at that moment.Let's say A has painted B in negative light prior to the incident,paranoia would make A feel this corroborates his/her suspicions and then said suspicions graduate to perceived fact and heaven forbid A is a honorary gossip, the matter spirals out of control without B the slightest bit aware of what's going on.Imagine a 6 year old being accused of possessing "demons"(for reason out of one's control) beaten,treated with cruelty and unfairly,secluded from an immediate society due to hearsay.Cats are not exempted from this darkness that engulfs the unenlighted.You can only imagine the fate of individuals adults and nonadults with SSA sexual orientation in pitch black countries like Nigeria.I only seek to know just what the bible states clearly about homosexuality so as redirect the ignorant to the only objective source of "infallible" knowledge they deem acceptable. Now if muttleylaff says he has seen the light from the sacred fire and he's lit his Olympic torch in a quest to run the marathon of enlightenment into the darkness that engulfs the ignorant and prejudiced territory of homosexuality in christianity then he should be allowed to given he has packed all he needs to complete this tedious task.
If in the end his torch is put out by the winds of irrefutable evidence,then I'd want to know just how open-minded the bible(when viewed in the context of the average christian) is towards homosexuality which TV01 and openmine have given answers to from their perspective (which represents pretty much the greater population currently) on the subject.If homosexuality is kicked against within christendom for now at least the individuals should not be seen as sinful creatures due to their sexual orientation(which mostly is out of their control by nature) and don't need to be tortured or delivered from the "spirit of homosexuality".

Please note I am straight.It's not everyone that supports homosexuality that is gay or bi.Also,due to the religious nature of the thread I refer to the bible as an objective truth and evidence for or against the subject.
I'd like state that the apparent lack of feminine opinions or lesbian references on this thread makes it kinda gay....

...Just kidding

MuttleyLaff:
EmperorHarry, I am quite sure you know that some Christians spend their whole lives trying to force others to live according to their unstudied opinions and their false veneer of spirituality and over spiritualised actings.

This is why, you'll see the likes of especially TV01, then Shepherd00 and openmine closely following suit behind TV01 and most other christians/believers be claiming that two consenting adults in a strictly monogamous, kind, trusting, caring, loving, helpful, faithful, honest, unharmful and committed life long until death do them part SSA relationships relationships or gay unions transgresses the male-female complementarity which God built into humans at creation. What of the same male-female complementarity which God built into animals and nature at creation, hmm?

I have stuff, that if I should drop it on these guys, their legs will buckle and they fall flat on their arse from the sheer weight of it. I havent typed anything substantial yet and they already are each and everytime be screaming blue murder. The trio, TV01, Shepherd00 and openmine, just make me all the time, literally be laughing out loud, watching them go schtum or dropping facts I introduce, as if it's like I've asked them to hold on to a hot potato, even diving under the sofa, to hide from the big fat lie elephants in the room I introduce to them.

Not just enlightenment EmperorHarry, but understanding, insight, awareness and lots of nuggets of information, learning, knowledge and education will come forth from the "desconstructing the lies & myth of consensual adult homosexuality/same sex union" thread

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Talking of perspective, the fifth person, not shown anywhere in any of the three pictures above, either isnt standing on anything in the room or is not even in the room and so is not seeing anything at all, as in has no perspective.
C'est la vie, that's the life of perspective, isnt it, in jpegs forms?

EmperorHarry, dont mind these guys, homosexuality is ancient, it has been with us from time immemorial and it will be here with us, until the end of time, this side of eternity. One poster, in sifia pains, cried out in agony when I typed that in 5-15 years time, gays will be in government in Naija. No one has to be a prophet to know that. It's not sign of the times or end time things, but is just unavoidably inevitable. What was the reason given by Lot, for not allowing those wicked and cruel men of Sodom and Gomorrah have gay sex with the angels when they attempted gang raping them? Is there any good Bible student on this thread, worth his/her mettle dare answer that question, huh?

EmperorHarry, if I am given a pound for every time I've been told and assumed to be not straight on this thread, I soon be fantastiscally rich from being extremely financially wealthy and will contesting with the likes of Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, Aliko Dangote, Mike Adenuga, Tony Elumelu, Femi Otedola, Cletus Ibeto, Folorunsho Alakija, Ned Nwoke, Abdulsamad Rabiu, Arthur Eze etcetera and give them a good run for their money.

It's hilarious, when quite a few posters, on this thread, more confused than a fart let ripped out, on the production line of a fan-making factory, say, I am gay, then change, saying I am not gay, and so they're sorry for calling me gay, but then revert back, insisting I am afterall gay. Another just yesterday, I think its openmine, said he is made to believe, I may be actively involved in these atrocious and shameless activities, obviously that is to say, he's made to believe that I am gay. Face palm and SMH at him.

With or without, the religious nature, the evidence SSA is there in the Bible and in Nature. No species has been found in nature, of course this includes human beings, that homosexual behaviour has not been shown to exist or be exhibited. EmperorHarry, openmine, Shepherd00 and TV01, you wouldnt be surprised to know that, humans are the only species, known to be homophobic and discriminates against homosexual behaviour. Animals dont shun other gay animals. Animals dont police other of their animals of gay sexual behavior. Animals dont punished nor ostracied each other for exhibiting gay behaviours.

I disconcur that there is an apparent lack of lesbian references on this thread because in certain instances, I've introduced and used the terms homosexuals and lesbians together in my sentences separated by an oblique stroke (/), otherwise called slash. I also have had the opportunities to introduce lesbians such as Mpho Andrea Tutu-van Furth, google her up to know who her famous daddy is and Beyonce's husband, Jay-Z's mum, who happens to be another very loyal and committed in attitude lesbian, just as Mpho is. Besides all that, when I use the phrase "two consenting adults" it isnt just about homosexuals but it encompasses lesbians too.

I could type on more, but time no dey, there isnt that much time, besides, I wanted this to be a short post
cc EmperorHarry

openmine:
Another wasteful attempt to eagerly grab a disciple to his fold!

openmine:

EmperorHarry:
Not necessarily the verses I asked for but it only points to validity of my initial speculations which has somehow being answered by TV and openmine.Thanks anyways.

MuttleyLaff:
EmperorHarry, I beg to differ, it is not as you mistakenly put it, from my viewpoint, but is, looking at it, from the Bible's viewpoint, because the Bible doesnt completely and entirely of itself, condemn homosexuality, the bible though however specifically, unambiguously and outrightly does condemn certain type or forms of homosexuality, as you'll see as follows next

1/ Case in point #1 of specifically, unambiguously and outrightly condemned certain type or form of homosexuality is found in Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13. This type of homosexuality in the two aforemetioned Leviticus verses is the sort, where SSA persons are worshipping pagan fertility gods/goddess and including it with having ceremonial cum ritualistic sex with temple devotees and prostitutes. The prostitutes and their patrons/customerss use sex to worship false gods.

2/ Case in point #2 of specifically, unambiguously and outrightly condemned certain type or form of homosexuality, similar to case #1, but an upgraded version, is found in Romans 1:18-32. The similarity with case in point #1 above, is obvious, as it's clear to see that Romans 1:24, 26 & 27, are a rehash of Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13. It is the same old, same old of Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 reappearing again on but with a vengeance on the Romans 1:24, 26 & 27 scene. It is the familiar then Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 male prostituting happening and thriving in the city of Rome there, and women have joined gang in it too

3/ Case in point #3 of specifically, unambiguously and outrightly condemned certain, type or form of homosexuality, is found in Deuteronomy 23:17-18 and 1 Kings 14:24. It has a similarity with case in points #1 and #2 above as it is about the Hebrew word "qadesh" or a sodomite. The terms "qadesh" or a sodomite are the original and true biblical words for describing a temple devotee SSA male prostitute. An example of the female equivalent "qedeshah" (i.e. female temple prostitute) can be found in Genesis 38:21. The word sodomite, means "qadesh" as in a shrine male prostitute and must importantly be noted that it has no and never had any correlation with the city Sodom nor Sodom and Gomorrah

4/ Case in point #4 of specifically, unambiguously and outrightly condemned certain, type or form of homosexuality, is found in 1 Timothy 1:10. This too has similarities with case in points #1, #2 and #3 above, as it talks about SSA acts using Greek terms "porneia" and "arsenokoites".

The term "porneia" is Greek and means a person who has dealings with prostitutes whereas term "arsenokoites" is also a Greek word, but was formulated by Apostle Paul from two words. Paul actually ignored 17 already existing words identified with SSA men to invent this new word "arsenokoites" he created from using two words, namely "arseno- or arsen- ," (i.e. arseno means man) used in the singular and then used "koites", (i.e. koites means beds), and used in plural. The "arsenokoites" term usage is not really a reflection of any Hebrew verse which states that "the marriage bed is undefiled" because its like you going far-fetched with that, but it actually is used in context of the epidemic and endemic practice of male temple prostitutes offering ritual sex services, and the literal hopping from one patron's bed to another patron's bed practice, hence why and how Paul constructed the man (i.e. arseno- or arsen-) as in, singular and then used beds, (i.e. koites).

In a way of recapping the story so far, in all this homosexuality done wrongly and condemned, porneia has to do with the run-of-the-mill prostituting, and arsenokoites though has to do with prostituting, as well as, it in the sense of it, is a male sleeping around, having casual sex and/or having multiple partners, hopping from one bed to another bed

It is glaring, except if in denial, and this now, is talking of certain posters on this thread, the likes of TV01 in particular, then Shepherd00, openmine, OkCornel, bloodofthelamb, solite3, jesusjnr, elated177, Ranchhoddas, ThothHermes, alBHAGDADI etcetera, what the true and original meaning of "porneia" and Paul's "arsenokoites" used in 1 Timothy 1:10 and and 1 Corinthians 6:9 is, before each were being translated to mean "homosexual" or homosexual acts and used to demonise, discriminate and persecute SSA persons. They even lied and translated "qadesh" and/or a sodomite too, mentioned above, to in every respect, mean an ordinary SSA person, "homosexual" or homosexual act.

5/ Case in point #5 of specifically, unambiguously and outrightly condemned certain, type or form of homosexuality, is also found in 1 Corinthians 6:9. Here, its the sort of "homosexual" or homosexual act talked about using Greek terms "porneia", "malakoi/malakos" and "arsenokoites" and used in that order. We are already from case in points #4 familiar with the term "porneia" or "arsenokoites" and their true and original meanings. Now as for "malakoi/malakos", in the first century had its original meaning to be an effeminate man who pretties himself with daily shaving of the face, using makeup, face powdered up, hair coloring, putting on jewelleries, fancy clothing on and all tarted up to attract male & female customer with whom to have sex. This term too "malakoi/malakos", until snatched by the church, never was meant a term as used by christians, to demonise, discriminate and persecute ordinary SSA person, "homosexual" or homosexual act with.

EmperorHarry, of course, all SSA people are "homosexual/lesbian" or indulge in SSA sexual act, but not all SSA people are into "porneia", are "arsenokoites", a "qadesh/qedeshah", "malakoi/malakos" or "malakoi/malakos", are a "sodomite" but you watch as my brethren/sisters, the likes of Shepherd00 in particular, then TV01, openmine, OkCornel, bloodofthelamb, solite3, jesusjnr, elated177, Ranchhoddas, ThothHermes, Ubenedictus, Baddiezz, VBCampaign, Michellekabod2, Goshen360, elated177, jesusjnr, shadeyinka, HappyPagan, ujnwachukwu, bloodofthelamb, OLAADEGBU, Bejusttoall, kkins25, alBHAGDADI etcetera as they either think little of all this, ignore this, gloss over it and/or make these facts I've made known, seem not important, significant nor interesting. The church, in this regard has proven herself to be a serial liar in regards to the true and actual meanings of those terms or words.

I am sure you are fully aware this thread was not opened or created to solicit anyone's support for or against homosexuality. As a matter of fact, the object of the whole exercise and activity on the thread is towards "Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union"

The Bible in Luke 14:31, states that:""Or what king, when he sets out to meet another king in battle, will not first sit down and consider whether he is strong enough with ten thousand men to encounter the one coming against him with twenty thousand?. EmperorHarry, you see, I knew this was going to be a tall order, be a Herculean and/or arduous task. I knew it'll be a marathon because just like in earlier quoted Luke 14:31, I have sat to think it all entirely all over. I knew I will have to bide my time, will need to smoke people out, draw them out into the open, then either snatch hold of them with the belt of their trousers or get a wrist hold of them and/or pin them down so they dont have any easy chance to evade capture or try to escape. Going for the jugular, would be my last resort.

As you can see, the thread is 24 pages and still counting, because these guys are as slippery as eel. They avoid what the thread is all about, as in, the desconstructing aspect. They are trying every single trick in their bag of tricks, they derail the thread from its subject heading title, ask questions I previously have responded to or answered. They go on tangents, by suddenly start talking about a completely thing that has nothing to do with the thread's subject heading title. They dodge my questions, like, what is the evil in same sex attraction, what is the reason, God said it's an abomination indulging in certain types of same sex attraction acts, why did God, say he desists it, what is wrong or bad in this particular sort of same sex attraction acts etcetera, they just abandon, pick race and run off without responding to any of those questions. They do every possible thing to distract, frustrate and even try to dominate the thread with their whims and caprices, but I dont really mind, because I know that, "Efry day, efry day, monkey go leave home, go about hin usual monkey monkey business market, but one day, one day, just one single day, hin go go, but this time, no go return back."

EmperorHarry, let me put you at ease. I know a defeated warrior when I see one and as I know myself and also know my capabilities, I have no need, to fear the result of a hundred battles. EmperorHarry, I don't want blow my horn, but I am really excellently and better qualified than anyone yet shown up on this thread, in putting the record straight, in order to make the true facts about the lies known.

With this thread, I should be able to reassure the concerned, remove their doubts and fears that having sexual feelings towards the same sex is a sin and to tell the truth that God NEVER and anywhere in the Bible say homosexuality, in itself is a sin, nor does God hate same sex attraction couples, this means, God does not hate two easy going, ordinary consenting adults, minding their own businesses enjoying a life long strictly monogamous, kind, trusting, caring, loving, helpful, faithful, honest, unharmful and committed life long until death do them part SSA relationships, that christians/muslims/atheists have accustomed to see ordinarily as homosexuals, but they really are caring, faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving each other lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or not cheating on another person, and not being harmful to an object or neighbour, mutually caring for each other, mutually respecting each other, mutually contributing to the well being of society and most importantly loving each other with a love that's until death do apart. They are two consenting adults that are not being promiscuous, so a good. They are two consenting adults, that are at peace with each other, with God and in truth, because their intentions are good and their hearts are pure, which also is another good thing.

EmperorHarry, lies are necessary, when the truth is too difficult to believe. Be careful about what you're aware and believe about Genesis (i.e. Sodom and Gomorrah), Leviticus and Romans.

We learn something new if we are interested enough to dig deep

EmperorHarry, TV01 will have you know that the "homosexual" and "heterosexual" label adopted by the church and used in Bible, to demonise, discriminate and persecute SSA persons are semantics. Well I can live that because it just shows the fact and reality that greed, covetousness, lack of self-control and lust are improper desires and/or faults that when acted upon, just not only leads to prostitution, adultery, fornication, lewdness, promiscuity, cheating, sleeping around, sexual abuse etcetera but also cause friction, harm, pain to another whom is supposedly loved, faithful to, committed to, honest to, lasting that's life-long loyal to, and all these supposedly professed to whilst in a relationship, that's either same sex or otherwise

EmperorHarry, you dont know any of these guys on this thread like I do. I know every single one of them. I know everything about each and everyone of them. I know how they think, I know how and what they breathe, I know when and how they sleep, I know what they eat, know when, how and what they like eating, I know when they fart and shiit, I even know the color of their shiits sef. None of them, can share with you what they dont know, as the less people know of a subject matter, the more stubbornly they think they know it

I kept telling and reminding them that, I had not only, mounted this homosexuality issue dragon beast, rode and tamed it, but I also, slayed it too, it's after killing it, that I then went to dissect it, curious to find out what the dragon beast has been feeding on, and that EmperorHarry, is how I got to know, with the help of the Holy Spirit, so much about this homosexuality issue dragon beast subject matter and how these guys tick too.

EmperorHarry, there are two kinds of light, the glow that illuminates and the glare that obscures and this is because we have different paths of learning and growth

EmperorHarry, my door is always open to you, so dont hesistate to ask me questions on anything you need clarifications on. I might not for any moment, tell it all, but you can be reassured that, of all I tell, would be truth. I am fulfilled being a frank honest and truthful seen as an arsehole than being a well liked nasty liar

If you have only a day to live, fill it with study and sex. EmperorHarry, trust me on that, even TV01 can testify, at least to the latter part of that my another penny in the truth jar advice.

MuttleyLaff:
The unfortunate part is, you arent good at real comedy, so please reconsider and dont jack in the day job, OK?

Capital Yes, as in, in the affirmative, I am categorically and unequivocably telling yall that Apostle Paul, Jesus, Jude and God have nothing against homosexuality per se

MuttleyLaff:
You're just as bad as Shepherd00, repeating a question, you've earlier asked that has already been previously answered or responded to. Why do you guys do that hmm? Who does this?

MuttleyLaff:
You wouldnt have the need to put anything up, if you've had the strength and courage to admit the lies.
Why not first deconstruct the lies & myth of consensual adult homosexuality/same sex union. Why not start with the true and original meanings of terms like "porneia", "arsenokoites", "qadesh/qedeshah" "sodomite" that have absolutely nothing to do with strictly monogamous, kind, trusting, caring, loving, helpful, faithful, honest, unharmful and committed life long until death do them part SSA relationships, that you see as homosexuals, but translated to mean "homosexual" or homosexual acts and used to demonise, discriminate and persecute SSA persons, hmm?

MuttleyLaff:
Maybe then, we can contextually examine together those scripture, being as I know that you STILL haven't properly and correctly read them, this is why you have to rely on various commentaries. You have not done your own private and personal study, you havent embraced and appreciated 2 Timothy 2:15. Tbh, you should make it your goal to live quietly, mind your own business, and study the Bible correctly and properly, just as I've told you before.

MuttleyLaff:
Somebody will just like to do pass themselves, will wake up on Sunday morning, see trouble sleep, but then him and "yanga" will just decide they want to wake up trouble, pull it by the leg. Wetin hin dey find? Na palaver, hin dey find, na palaver, hin go get-e o

MuttleyLaff:
Face palm, there he goes again, and with the "Dripping Tap" technique, a trick, the repetition ploy used, with the aim to eventually wear down the other, through relentless and continuing mindless repeating like a parrot, something that has already been said and/or previously been written.

EmperorHarry:
@bolded That would be helpful.

EmperorHarry:
@bolded That would be helpful.

EmperorHarry:
openmine and TV01 can a "homosexual" make heaven in that such a person never had sexual activity with same sex?
We've reached an clarification that being attracted to the same sex or identifying as gay doesn't mean one is an abomination.So do gay people who don't have sexual intimacy with same sex have a place in the church? Should they be allowed to worship in peace without stigma and victimization due to ignorantly prejudiced "sanctimonious" believers?

EmperorHarry:
Muttleylaff I have a question.
Does the Bible strictly condemn homosexuality or just sex between homos? Can you refer verses that don't suggest just the sexually related part of homosexuality.Verses that condemn homosexuality as a whole.
This is open to all.I just need to clarify something.

MuttleyLaff:
The fact you think its cool and acceptable to talk to a moG and God, in the way you do and continually have been doing, PROVES to me that satanism somewhere is involved. Please dont take it personal or insulting, it is just a honest observation made

Na God who said "I AM WHO I AM," you bin call homosexual god and you desecrate Him sotay, you even use a small "g" for Him, erhn Shepherd00? God, Whom bin say, is the God of everything and everybody. He is the God of all creation, so hmm, you dis nwanne Shepherd00, you wan use small hands, bin take big Hand upon yarself, right? OK oo, but when time reach, wey una go hear, when una go know say bamboo no be chewing stick, no call me ooo or bin look around for me ooo to help plead case on ya behalf for una ooo

You all are indecisive, shying away from the lies that the facts show that terms like porneia, arsenokoites, and malakoi/malakos have absolutely nothing to do with strictly monogamous, kind, trusting, caring, loving, helpful, faithful, honest, unharmful and committed life long until death do them part SSA relationships, that you see as homosexuals.

"A bowl of vegetables with someone you love, is better than steak, with someone you hate."
- Proverbs 15:17

Shepherd00, you and the likes of TV01, openmine, Shepherd00 and OkCornel, are reluctant to thinking in a logical and sensible way that, an acceptable homosexual relationship in the Bible would be a faithful, committed, truthful, caring kind, love until death do part SSA relationships and be one void of a cheating partner, void of a partner that sleeps around, void of a lustful and covetous partner, void of an emotionally manipulative partner, void of a domestic violence abusive or cruel partner, void of a partner with sexual interest in prepubescent children, void of a partner sexually involved with a minor, kids or animal(s) etcetera.

I dont know where from, it comes and why the hatred for SSA persons, that are in a strictly monogamous, kind, trusting, caring, loving, helpful, faithful, honest, unharmful and committed life long until death do them part SSA relationships

What is to be feared of SSA persons that are in a strictly monogamous, kind, trusting, caring, loving, helpful, faithful, honest, unharmful and committed life long until death do them part SSA relationships?

What is scary, evil, bad and wrong in SSA persons, that are in a strictly monogamous, kind, trusting, caring, loving, helpful, faithful, honest, unharmful and committed life long until death do them part SSA relationships, hmm?

You sure like to run even before learning how to, in this order, first learn to crawl, walk and stroll before this running business you naively are considering. You are not ready nor worthy yet, to know, who was in an acceptable homosexual relationship in the Bible Shepherd00

MuttleyLaff:
"²²And Judah (i.e. the people of Judah) did what was evil in the sight of the Lord,
and they provoked Him to jealousy with their sins that they committed, more than all that their fathers had done.
²³For they also built for themselves high places and pillars
and Asherim (i.e. Asherah poles) on every high hill and under every green tree,
²⁴and there were also male cult prostitutes in the land.
They did according to all the abominations of the nations that the Lord drove out before the people of Israel."
- 1 Kings 14:22-24

Philanderer homosexuals who enters into casual sexual relationships, potentially would not remain the same after encountering Jesus.

Promiscuous homosexuals potentially would not remain the same after encountering Jesus.

Homosexuals, who abuse and/or misuse "weeding smoking", potentially would not remain the same after encountering Jesus.

Homosexuals, who are into fairking animals, like as in, into bestiality, potentially would not remain the same after encountering Jesus.

Homosexuals, who are into having multiple partners, into sleeping around, or being monogamish, as TV01 would like to identify it or put it, potentially would not remain the same after encountering Jesus.

What else perhaps do you also want to extend this with? I asked because I am sensing, you and everyone else, so far on this thread, thinks I believe that all homosexual acts or relationships are good, no I wouldnt believe so, the same way, I wouldn't believe that all non-homosexual sexual acts or relationships are good.

MuttleyLaff:
You better be. Don't say you werent warned and don't come looking for me to gain assistance against whatever fate befalls you

MuttleyLaff:
I've warned you before about your choice of words towards a moG. My God is a vengeance able God, and I wouldn't want you in any way feel His wrath because of you continuing to persist in this your bad behaviour. Be warned again Shepherd00. Clean up.

MuttleyLaff:
Look at what TV01, out of frustration and desperation, brought up from searching the dregs and scraping the bottom of the barrel, he even is doing a largely factitious urgh at it.

Conventional wisdom has it that nobody in a faithful, committed, truthful, caring kind, love until death do part relationships wants a cheating partner, wants a partner that sleeps around, wants a lustful and covetous partner, wants an emotionally manipulative partner, wants an abusive, violent or cruel partner, wants a partner with sexual interest in prepubescent children, wants a partner sexually involved with a minor, kids or animal(s). Nobody wants a promiscuous partner TV01, whatever kind of romantic sexual relationship they are in

When we are done deconstructing the lies and myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union then maybe you can table the alleged lies you accuse me of. There is nothing to confess. It isnt my problem if none of youse, know the Bible well enough to tell it doesnt anywhere in it disapprove of SSA relationship. Nobody is going to spoon feed anyone on this thread, especially not the one who dont deserve being spoon fed. I am not going to provide someone with so much information that they ought have already known from studying and thus showed themselves approved to God and be an unashamed workman who accurately handles the word of truth. Yup, you're right, poor chap landed a knockout blow and knocked himself out

MuttleyLaff:
If you believe you can ask MuttleyLaff to show you in the Bible where God approves SSA relationship, but you don’t want someone like a.lBHAGDADI to ask you O.kCornel, to show him in the Bible where and when God no more approves tithe, then you O.kCornel, are a hypocrite. The hypocrite is the one who says don’t ask me that kind, type or line of question but then goes ahead to ask MuttleyLaff a line of question of similar format. SMH. You can never seem to trust anyone nowadays anymore.

My brother, you see now, if one trick doesnt work, why not pull another from the bag of tricks. He's seen that he has hit a brickwall, as its sunk in that I'll not cross that bridge until I come to it, so he's now licked his wounds and re-strategized with another ploy.

Wasnt it you Shepherd00 who said Rev what-is-his-name again, Turner or something is a christian for 34 years or something, with his lover hmmm? Archbishop Tutu's daughter, that we've talked about is a believer too. It relates with just as, soja come, soja go, barrack still dey.

MuttleyLaff:
Mr OkCornel, this is no tithing issue, no one is making anything a titithing issue and so stop behaving like a cry-baby, like as if you're hoping for boobs to appear. Shepherd00 brought up this issue up after I aired my mind about it and I've since said the chapter is closed and not to be discussed by me again. So, why are you trying to re-open a closed and ended chapter ern. Move on man, move on with life. Biko ndo, jor. The thing no be fight, I was just saying ni ooo. It's TGIF, so lets thank God its Friday then instead.

Now other thing said, is that, I can turn your measly question on its head, turn the table on you and ask you, with the same type line of questioning that show in the Bible where God disapproved SSA relationship, where God said committed trusting, kind, caring faithful, love that is until death do part SSA relationship is evil, wrong and ba, hmm?

You must be high on "agbo jẹdi jẹdi", if you think, I'll be crossing that bridge before I come to it. I will not cross that bridge, before I myself come to it, just falls on your deaf ears, abi?
#sipstea, not strong coffee like Shepherd00 does

MuttleyLaff:
You still havent learned anything as usual and I am not surprised

I am brazenly walking pass the questions OKcornel presents to me because I dont suffer hypocrites gladly, especially the ones like him, who take pride and delight in their hypocrisy


They are men of course by gender but have sexual orientations towards or for same sex

This is like you asking me how come some lefthanded people born that way, change from that to being righthanded, when it is obvious the reason why they changed

Why should they lie? Tell me nau, hmm?

MuttleyLaff:
You got that right, I know the real truth and know the facts too but you are more confused than a fart, let loose in a fan-making factory

MuttleyLaff:
You always have been a dreamer. Yup, I know you did in your dreams

I like to see the proof and evidence of this another allegation and slander you've become accustomed to dishing out against me

MuttleyLaff:
It is verbatim, those are your exact words in green and red, even with time and date stamps too, so can easily be tracked to confirm

MuttleyLaff:
Great minds think alike, dont you know that Shepherd00, hmm?

MuttleyLaff:
Oh you mean Pastor John MacArthur, the one that bloodofthelamb highly respects and holds in the utmost regard? Oh no, he had no choice, than to change, and so admitted the context had to do with temple prostitution and SSA acts done under idolatry influences after facing up with reality and the facts that showed and confirmed all this when looked at contextually Shepherd00.

MuttleyLaff:
[img]https://s3/images/Shepherd00kidPhone.jpg[/img]
Now that you first brought up the matter of small pikin, I wouldnt be surprised if you are., as I doubt if you and especially those other particular ones on this thread can dial this phone shown above. You wouldn’t even know where to start, you and all those 90s babies and millennials. Can you or any of them, dial the phone, even with a padlock on it or dial a number without touching the dial? Nah, I didnt think youor any could. Pikin matter closed as I rest my case.

MuttleyLaff:
It was my only way to jolt O.kCornel memory and to make himsee the error of his way, with that hypocritical type line of questioning he was trying on me., especially when I knew he never tolerated it nor obliged alBHAGDADI with it.


[quote author=MuttleyLaff post=79530321]Stop snitching because where I come from, it's embrassing being a snitch

MuttleyLaff:
He is true to himself, not being sneaky like our mutual friend O.kCornel

MuttleyLaff:
No, it wasnt, it was just business as usual and nothing personal to it. Besides, if you know your Bible well enough, you'll know, there is a time to snaky and harmless as doves as well, especially if you're about to be unfairly devoured, you just fight fire, back with fire, God no go vex.

MuttleyLaff:
Shepherd00, I know a defeated warrior when I see one and as I know myself also, I know my capabilities, I have no need, to fear the result of a hundred battles. I've said it before, but will still repeat it here again. Victorious warriors, like myself, win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

MuttleyLaff:
This nwanne doesnt know anything. Does one go back to a vomit, huh?

That chapter is closed. I am no more going to discuss it

MuttleyLaff:
It's exactly what it is

[quote author=MuttleyLaff post=79530321]You know, as well as I know he took no sides with me, at least not on the subject discussed on this thread

MuttleyLaff:
Dont make me laugh. Dreamer.

MuttleyLaff:
You've got your fingers stuck in your ears, right, abi?

MuttleyLaff:
Now you have your hands covering your eyes or you haven't been reading. I am not surprised, as reading long posts, has always been a challenge for you.

MuttleyLaff:
Jesus mentioned hospitality, at His only and ever mention of Sodom and Gomorrah. The city proved they were unfriendly, unwelcoming to strangers by even trying to gang rape beings that to them appeared to be male human beings. I have already talked about how Sodom should have known better not to be maltreating other people, also told how Ezekiel explained what Sodom's sin, over the years, was, so I wont repeat myself here, if you hadnt read it, so be it.

MuttleyLaff:
For the last time, its called SSA act, and that's for the lack of a nicer or better word.

#IfYouKnowYouKnow
If you know, you know. Who no know, no go know

MuttleyLaff:
First of all, I want to thank God for the gift of life to each and everyone of us that has read every single post on this thread and have also read all the immediate above by O.kCornel, even though it is a derailment of some sort. Fyi, I am using "O.kCornel", because I dont want to give him notice formally or officially, of this comment.

So, I was reading each and everything in that immediate above O.kCornel post and then a rat that has been disturbing us in the house, came to join me in reading it. It became emotional as it was reading alongside me and began starting with misty eyes before crying, it cried with water streaming down its face, then it snugged closer to me, held me tight and started to hug me. I reciprocate and so hugged it back. Then it said, "MuttleyLaff, wow cool post, life changing post, your life will never be the same this post just changed my life. Something must keel a man and a rat. I won't disturb you anymore MuttleyLaff."

MuttleyLaff:
Shepherd00 will you already just calm down please. I am going to do this in short bursts because I've realised that you dont like reading long posts. You always gung-ho reply to all my post's comments, especially any that borders on the subject or issue of homosexuality, SSA people or SSA acts, you especially do this , I know from lack of understanding, due from your level of awareness and the perception from where or how you see things. Awareness, is a mental and spiritual thing, but you respond and "attack" my posts on this subject, with unnecessary and additional emotional, irrational, not based on any good reasons, false religious flavorings.

MuttleyLaff:
Shepherd00, a drowning man will clutch at any available straw in sight. You Shepherd00, when, out of control and not getting things together, like to begin and start clutching at straws.

MuttleyLaff:
Case in point #1, at 7:33pm On June 17, 2019, here is you typing: "This is the homosexual site where you copy and paste from. By all mean they try to pervert the Word of God to suit them. Rev. M.Turner is a gay pastor whose gay partner is Bill and has been together for 37yrs and got recently married."
I responded to "Case in point #1" and you, with: "Shepherd00, have you got evidence or proof of me copying the contents from that site or any other sites for that matter. Be careful how you slander a moG. I've warned you before, please take heed of the warning, I beg you. I wont say more than that."

Case in point #2, at 3:15pm On Jun 18, you typed, accusing me of plagiarism again, saying I've been presenting someone else's work and ideas as my own, that I've been stealing another author's publication(s):"Pls MuttleyLaff don't lie. When you crashed into my thread claiming God was not against homosexuality, I asked you for scriptural backings to your claims. You threw in what you copied from 'www.gaychristians101. The 'Loving, faithful, consensual SSR,s. That led us to VBCampaign's thread where TV01 demanded the same from you."

MuttleyLaff:
Case point#3, today almost two hours ago at 8:49pm, you laughed and trio reinforced a lie to slander me again by typing: "You opened a thread to sell lies from GayChristians101 website. We stand with scriptures not people who dodge the Act but try to swam the whole things with terms."

Shepherd00, for the record, and I reiterate, I dont know who Rev. M.Turner is, I have never, before until you mentioned him, heard of him and I have never, even up till now, ever visited his website.

Number two for the record, I only visited GayChristians101 website, just after elated177 mentioned and pasted the website, for all to see and typed at 8:51pm On May 27 2019, this about me:The research that babbler has been babbling all over the place are the heresies he lifted from that heretical site, gaychristain101. After the elated177 mention of the site and upon visiting it, I found the site and its content to be a coincidence and remarkable that great minds think alike, whereas "average & small" minds unfortunately all along and together, have been too, on this thread

MuttleyLaff:
Now I'll let you on why I was hiatus during the recent brouhaha and that what it was just as TV01 so perfectly put it, really was a noisy and overexcited activities thing going on. I discovered and its from learned observations, that if you keep your mouth shut, be quiet and still, people soon will show their true colors unintentionally, they begin to feel freer and freer to tell anything, begin to misyarn, begin to talk rubbish, talk trash, talk wrong things and become anxious to show themselves up.
I wanted to see true colours of posters, so far commenting on this thread, so I just went silent, waiting in the background, watching behind curtains and paying attention to every single noise made. It paid off, as I got to see the true colors of everyone, each exposed themselves for who they really are, fakes and real ones, good at being fakes too revealed themselves

MuttleyLaff:
It is funny and bizarre that lots of posters are taking a ride with me in this my limo, but [b]what I really want, are posters to deconstruct with me, not those asking me vacuous and off the beaten path questions[/b]

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MuttleyLaff:
I have low tolerance for hypocrites like O.kCornel because when a.lBHAGDADI asks O.kCornel to show him Bible verse of God explicitly disapproving tithe, O.kCornel can’t and refuses to, so I find it hilarious how O.kCornel is now asking for Bible verse of God explicitly approving SSA relationship from me. It is downright comical O.kCornel can’t see what a hypocrite he O.kCornel is, for him, of all people, having the audacity to ask that off the beaten path question and try to use that type of line of questioning, with me, especially when unlike me, is unable to ever oblige a.lBHAGDADI. I have said it many times, that even though, the question is easily responded to many times over, I will not cross that bridge, before I myself come to it, but it just falls on deaf ears

MuttleyLaff:
Hypocrite(s) is more dangerous than a liar and dishonest person, a dishonest person deceives and cheat, but a hypocrite betrays and swindles.
Sincerity is an openness of heart, it is found in very few people. What an insincere individual of a person O.kCornel is. I am sorry, I had him mistaken.

Hypocrisy is the mother of all evil. Sexual orientation discrimination and homophobia are still her favourite children. Jesus Christ hated the hypocrites and warned against hypocrisy. He, in Matthew 23:13-35, "cursed" hypocrites seven times. Mtcheew. I pray the "curse" wont be any poster on this thread portion's.

Fyi, as previously stated I am using "O.kCornel", because I dont want to give him notice formally or officially, of this comment.

MuttleyLaff:
This post seems to be ending up going to be too long for your liking Shepherd00, so I'll pause here to continue on another post, as I have read yet another of your typical shooting from the hip comments, this latest one, is you, responding to TV01 comment, and at which you typed: "To think that he even quoted Matt 10:14-15 which has no bearing with the issue at hand. SMH." but my brother, you that if I should start to continue to type, this post no go end ooo and you no go fit read am to the end finish.

MuttleyLaff:
Shepherd00, when the Bible is talking of adultery, fornication, incest, polygamy or whatnot it isnt talking against the ACT of sexual intercourse, nor is it distracting anyone from the ACT of sexual intercourse.

MuttleyLaff:
Shepherd00, porneia has to do with prostituing, arsenokoites has to do with sleeping around, having casual sex and/or having multiple partners, and as for malakoi/malakos, I have previously said that one of the original meanings of "malakoi/malakos" in the first century was, it being an effeminate man who pretties himself with daily shaving of the face in the Greek manner, using makeup, hair coloring, putting on jewelleries and fancy clothing to attract male & female customer [/b]with whom to have sex.

MuttleyLaff:
b][url=picture idea of who and what a malakoi/malakos looks like]https://www.instagram.com/p/By0iFA6goIQ/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet[/url][/b]
Shepherd00, about this same malakoi/malakos, I gave the above instagram link, it shows the nomadic Wodaabe community belonging to the Fulani ethnic group with make-up on, though they are not into temple ritual sex etcetera, I did say that, India is the last bastion of where this temple ritual sex with temple male prostitutes cum malakoi/malakos etcetera practised by the Canaanites in Leviticus times and by the heathen gentiles in Paul's Rome and Corinth times, is to date, still done in the 21st century. They are not called "arsenokoites" or sodomites in India but are called by another word
vernacular to that area

TV01:
Thank you! sir

I've not been chanced to reply, but those are exactly the right questions to that inordinate stretching and warping of the biblical narrative. I shook my head so tey. I could scarce believe what I was reading

Some of MuttleyLaffs claims are a cause for real consternation. A clear sign that this is about forcing gayhomosex into the Christian culture at all costs and nothing to do with Christian truth. . Sackcloth and ashes with great lamentation sef .


TV

MuttleyLaff:
Trust TV01 to want to pull and put a spin on this one, it's hilarious. Well wait nau, let me come on proper in an hour to two time. Of course, they wallowed in sexual immorality, in the sense of, with idolatry, promiscuousity, cheating, sleeping around, infidelity, children abuse, temple prostituting etcetera, but the "gone after strange flesh" occurred after their death sentence or destruction was decided. Jesus even when at Matthew 10:14-15, He mentioned Sodom and Gomorrah, He did so, only at the opportunity to highlight the importance of friendliness, being welcoming and hospitable, just like Ezekiel said, were Sodom and Gomorrah's problems.

TV01, Sodom and Gomorrah only went after strange flesh after they were doomed to be destroyed, not and never before. Read your Bible correctly and properly please. You out of all people, chau!.

MuttleyLaff:
Nobody is. Nobody is interested in tithing, not me at least. My point has been made, if anyone likes let them drag it on as if we are talking of tithes.

You must have just woken up to know about veering off track of the thread's subject title heading. Upon all the veering off track you guys have been doing and that I hadn't minded but still accommodated youse.

OkCornel:
Then remind us who started the whole tithe matter on this thread. Why do you lie so shamelessly? Mention alBHAGDADI from now till infinity, it will not help you...


What can be more hypocritical than claiming you have scriptures to show support of same sex relationship, only to be exposed for your lies?

Just to show how predictable you are, you have stylishly shifted from the questions I've asked you to "my type of questioning" and mention alBHAGDADI to see how he can continue from where you stopped. There's no hiding place for you on this very matter...



Says the man that cannot answer my questions on this thread. Look at who is saying I'm buckling under pressure...

If the words of Jesus in Matthew 19 or the matter that transpired in Sodom doesn't show you God's outright disapproval of same sex relationship, then you really need help.

Later, you'll ask us where Jesus disapproved of bestiality or smoking of weed...

MuttleyLaff:
Don't tell me what and all I know about tithing. Please what I am telling you is that, the line and type of questionings you wouldn't accommodate or let alBHAGDADI try on you, don't for a second ever contemplate trying it with me. This sort of where approved, disprove, discontinued question you never obliged when you were asked. You are an insincere, dishonest and shameless person if you persist in this unfair way and manner

It isn't tithing thats of interest here, but it is your inconsistency and not being principled, your one rule for others, but another for you, your laughable and hypocritical stance

MuttleyLaff:
OK, here is another one, why haven't you yet gouge out your eyes when you sin (i.e. Matthew 5:29) hmm? Or here is a good one, why don't you stone non-virgins (i.e. Deuteronomy 22:20-21) ehn? I bet you, most posters and their missus(es) on this thread including yourself and HRH, your madam weren't virgins. Or you really are a virgin ehn? For life hmm?

Ah, never mind, I've got more, plenty sef. Why do you wear clothing woven of two kinds of material (i.e. Leviticus 19:19) hey? Why do you eat catfish that has no fins and scales and other sea foods, like lobsters, crabs, shrimps etcetera (i.e. Leviticus 9:10) erh? Or why don't you give your other belongings, when you are sued in court (i.e. Matthew 5:40)

What are these many ways to shed blood that you are talking about,erh, enlighten everyone please. Thank you very much.

Aaronsrod:
Correct, my brother.
Stoning is too long and painful a death.
God is merciful.
Rather kill them with blades or by fire!
We are not Jews.
We are True Believers.

MuttleyLaff:
If you are really serious about all this, and prepared not to leave my questions unanswered when I ask you, of course, go ahead, ask me on the "Deconstructing lies and myth..." thread then. I'll be active there in the PM today