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MuttleyLaff:
kkins25 dont mind him, he's already in sifia pains, ee dey pain am

Look in the mirror man.

MuttleyLaff:
"Wọn nsọ fun afọju, pe ojo nro, o ma feel ẹẹ. Wa gburo" loosely translated means "dem no dey tell blind pesin, say rain dey fall, na hin by himself, go feel am. You go hearam" .

https://www.nairaland.com/5221576/deconstructing-lies-myth-consensual-adult/14#79358447
Lets wait for the OkCornel response to the pleasantly and exciting request in the above URL link shall we Shepherd00? It was about the true and original meaning of the words "porneia" and "arsenokoites", both in 1 Timothy 1:10 and then, another one, like, "malakoi/malakos", that is in 1 Corinthians 6:9, along with "porneia" and "arsenokoites", the two earlier mentioned to be in 1 Timothy 1:10, before the lies they are now and currently are stating them to be, though they arent at all so, hmm?

Na you wey dey open your yansh make your fellow man enter go hearam. Nonsense.

MuttleyLaff:
Even if you won't admit it, you have learned a thing or two from that post, that you never knew before or understand before.

I am a one man Mopol. I stand for exposing the lies, not looking for support

Oh yes, I have learnt a lot I didn't know about you before now.

1. I use to take you for a Christian because you quoted the Word of God in your discussions, now I believe that 'Even satan quotes scriptures'.
Now, I know that you are a barefaced liar. You are a Truth thief (Falsifier of the Word of God). You are Proud and arrogant, you are boastful, and haughty.
These are hardly the fruits of the Holy Spirit.

2. I have learnt (according to you) that, Sodom and Gomorrah was not destroyed because of the their perverted life style of homosexuality, altho the Bible mentioned it from Genesis even till Jude.

But, MuttleyLaff you are right the Bible is wrong.

3. I learnt (according to you o) that Jehovah promised in the book of Isaiah to recompense the homosexuals. I asked for scriptural backup, you ran scared and said I'd trample on it. (Anyways, I know you are lying)
Altho the only recompense the Word talked about is of judgement against homosexuality

Romans 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; ~~~men with men~~~ working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

4. I learnt from you, that The Lord Jesus who instituted marriage hence created Adam And Eve, Praised Homosexuals more than Heterosexuality, again I asked for proof, but being the guy we all know you to be, you dodged by saying, I shd go and search out the Scripture for myself (But you were up front with other scriptures o).
No wahala.

5. Most importantly, I learnt that, there are types of homosexualities.

a). One to Worship God(Jehovah) done at home by a loving, caring, consenting adults. (according to you)

b). The other done as a form of worship to satan in Temples. (Sex orgies)

We all know that the act of Sex is an act of Worship

Just keep going on and on abt it wirhout any backing from the Word you hear?

6. I learnt (according to you) that all the abominations and prohibitions in Leviticus are tight to Temple Prostitutions (Sex orgies), and that the passages in Leviticus are not against homosexuality
Even the one in Judges 19:22 is not about homosexuality, but abt Temple Prostitution. OKcornel and Shadeyinka posted Scriptures to you, you became blind Bat-timeaus.

So, MuttleyLaff, I have learnt a lot of shit from your shitty mind.

kkins25:
ogbenii, is Wikipedia an artificial intelligence? The words inscribes on it pages, aren't they written by humans? The article on Wikipedia is a summary of several other primary sources. But please let me burden you to tell me why Christian denominations are beginning to accept Homosexuality? The people who package that thing you call word of God are accepting homosexuals as commanded by God himself. See below

1st peter 2:17 Honor men of all sorts, have love for the whole association of brothers, be in fear of God, honor the king..



Facepalm. An eunuch is someone who has no sense of attraction to- or affection to/for the opposite sex which in these case is the female. * eunuch were mostly men who had lost their reproductive organs or capability. But the scripture- matt 19:21 as muttleylaff has superbly explained even though it fell on deaf ears informs us that some people may be born whose nature from birth defiles the normal way of life so to speak. I. E. They would naturally show no sexual desires for the opposite sex. Now, ask yourself whats the difference between an natural eunuch and a man who since he was born doesnt feel any attraction to females?
Do note that the definition i give is based on the description of the term in the afore mentioned bible verse.


no one is cheerleading anyone here. How does this comment help your argument?

if we go by your logic, christianity has failed that test a long time ago. When it invaded arabia, when it slaughtered women and children whom did not bow to the cross. What about today? Look at the evil perpetrated by prophets and pastors and their members alike. Your version of Christianity like other religions is a sham. Well, muttley's version is the evolved version im sure christ would be proud of.

There fore get the behind me you Shepherd00, you satan.

Let it first be known that even jehova witness' have said to love homosexuals. Even though the witnesses agree that the bible condems the act. (no scriptural backup though). So i ask you Tv01 and Shepherd00, how can you love your neighbor whom is a homosexual and hate homosexuality??


I do not subscribe to the laws of the bible. Confucius developed morality without any ten commandments or tablet.

Fedrick nietchze, thomas paine, leibenz all struck a dagger in the heart of God.
The entity which claimed to be God in the bible died a long time ago. His son was murdered on the cross and the holy spirit disappeared into nothingness.
If the so called laws of God in the old testament are laws of God, why were they abandoned in the new testament?.

I did not say the bible does not condemn homosexuality, i hinted that the debate would not end as the bible which is always subject to interpretation bias supports and condemn the act of homosexuality.

I, kkins25 also stated that muttleylaff was right when he said that, homosexuality wasn't the reason Sodom and gomorrah was destroyed. Wether you agree or not biblical scholars and even the jews(Gods chosen people) all agree with muttleylaff.

Oga, as much as I'd want to completely ignore you, but pls permit me to tell you that you are confused.

You don't even have a pedestal to stand on here.

You said, U don't believe in the Word of God, again you said you agree with MuttleyLaff on his stance on homosexuality but you are not saying the Bible does not condemn homosexuality.


Which one shd we take?

MuttleyLaff is right God loves and permits homosexuality? or The Word of God condemns homosexuality?

MuttleyLaff your praise singer is confused.

openmine:
There was a point where he could not take my insistence and he got so boxed into a corner,he started to cc about 20 or more pips to show up on his thread to bail him out of his misery but one told him he should bail himself!

He knows no reasonable person will stand to justify homosex using the Bible.

openmine:
Bro I think the best way to get OP to a true life confession is to keep insisting on your points without being turned....cos OP just know how to flip your points into a question against you!
After trying ad infinitum to turn me,he started calling me a troll and a liar!
When people have discovered they have been boxed to a corner by you,they start tagging people with unprintable names like JJC or troll or the hapless IGNORE MODE
If only he knew how much I laugh when he brings up the IGNORE MODE ON balderdash

I went back to reading this thread all over again, I discovered that MuttleyLaff blindsided my posts like no tomorrow.

The ones he touches he dribbles over them then turn them to questions to me. He is doing the same to Okcornel

The guy is smart in a very negative way.

MuttleyLaff:
Your obsession with anus is legendary. I was wondering when soon will you start introducing the mentioning of anus to the thread. You haven't disappointed me. Oshey!

Ah, MuttleyLaff, don't take it personal o. Na weytin Bible talk we dey present here o. This vex show say you dey desperate to present your own logic. Calm down. The truth Na h the truth. Shouting and name calling won't change it.

MuttleyLaff:
You know what. You're not only a time waster but you're an unashamedly time stealer and a time killer. Abeggy carry your bad energy and negativity far far far away from me please. Keep your distance. Thank you very much.

Okay sir. At least any rational mind who wld read our discusses here will see if I'm you accuse me of.

openmine:
I thought as much....no wonder he was quoting a scripture out of context and Oga OP was busy doing the lead cheerleader....and he was in sifia pains when I was doing the same for @bloodofthelamb

kkins25 pointed out that he was not a Christian.

MuttleyLaff is petty. He can not stand when others are praised.

openmine:
Hmmmm, wikipedia is now used as a platform to interpret the word of God same way it was used erroneously to interpret and define tithes as a tenth of one's income!

When did "eunuchs" translate into homosexuals in Mathew 19:12?
The worse part of it is the fact that OP who is meant to know that...
"No scripture is of private interpretation"
....is busy supporting and doing his own 'cheerleader' work for some one who is wrongly quoting a scripture out of context just to give his already shattered ego some breather!
Una welldone ohhh

So any commentator can just show up and start quoting scriptures and some perceived believers,rather than test such spirits,would swallow their doctrines hook,line and sinker!

Bros, ignore MuttleyLaff. He has been looking for support from the beginning of this thread, he can't help grabbing kkins25 even when he knows the guy is an atheist.

He is clapping for an atheist even when knows the guy is summersaulting Scriptures. At leat he has one person cheering him up. lolzzzzzzzzzz.

MuttleyLaff:
and I agreed with you about it being the money questions and asked you about the original and true meanings of the words changed in Timothy and Corinthians from what Paul wrote and meant.

You are either a JJC to this thread or like Shepherd00 haven't bothered to read what I've said here about your question

This hysteria is for what nah? You can't take it that we now know that you are a wolf binding under the cloak of Christianity?

You are exposed. No Christian will open his anus for another man to fuq.

MuttleyLaff:
Ee dey pain am. Peele, ndo.

E dey pain me say you be Homo? Hahahahahahahaha. Your life, your anus, your flames.

MuttleyLaff:
Its very simple, so I repeat myself that I have never kept it a secret what type of homosexuality is permissible. If TV01 could suss me out that much, you Shepherd00 is better off asking him to tell you, about what I say in that regard, because you know how to call out to him, on other matters, so why are you now all of a sudden shy asking him on this one?

I haven't lately, read nor come across such a discombobulated reply filled with gross misinformation such as this before. What a so pathetic excuse of an answer. SMH.

The thing about the truth, is, you can be standing right in front of the truth and not necessarily see it, and people only get it when they're ready to get it. The more you look and stare, the less you see

"You need help fast, you not only have homophobia disorder you also have a voyeuristic disorder, and these, on top of being a closet homosexual

Whats with the fake sickness, huh? Tell, what specifically and why are you having this fake sickness at the thought of two men having sex of each other, hmm?"
- Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by MuttleyLaff: 10:40pm On May 12

"Sorry, pardon me. I forgot you are gay and see your act as normal. Maybe if you were straight or Homophobic, you'd ve understood what I mean. I watch empire I say Jamal and his men, I see them kiss themselves and I wonder if they are humans. It is sickening to say the least. But, what van I say, enjoy. There are too many women on earth for me to look at a fellow man.
Thunder fire satan "
- Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by Shepherd00: 11:10pm On May 12

'Liar! Liar! Pants on Fire! Shepherd00, from the quotes and proofs shown above, you never mentioned tongue and lip sucking when you, at 11:10pm On May 12, mentioned Jamal and his gay men

I told in post above, that I will show you the Jamal proof of you lying like a cheap Persia rug, that I will expose your lie.

Hmm, interesting, liar pot calling snow black

The time is not yet ripe for you to know Shepherd00

Please tell me, what part of "you havent proven yourself worthy to be or qualify to be, in the know, yet of it" dont you seem to understand, erh? Abi kini gbogbo palapala yi bayi kẹ?



It's not fear, fear nor about fear, if I said "Nah, dont want to, you'll get miserable and depressed if I do, and I dont want that for you Shepherd00". It's me looking out for you. You dont expect me to give you a loaded gun, or do you?

I have hinted to what and who the real sodomites or sodomy is. You can go on still believing what you erroneously have believed them to be

"yes Sodom and Gomorrah, has sexual immorality problems, but the fact still remains, that they were already earmarked for destruction and this primarily was for being inhospital. The decision to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah had already been made the attempted rape, the lusting after a neighbour's body and trying to have carnal knowledge without consent, that was insult upon injury, like adding salt to a wound. The city had already been decided to be destroyed before this their wicked, insensitive act and madness"
- Re: Is Incest Not Human Law And Convention? by MuttleyLaff: 6:49pm On Mar 30

"Are you sure the narrative of Lot and the angels, had anything remotely at all, to do with same sex marriages or whatnot, hmm? It has nothing to do with SS marriage(s), but a great deal to do with, lusting after strange flesh, like going after something that isnt human beings, on top, planned and attempted gang rape, wanting to have carnal knowledge without consent, being wicked and evil and/or not being hospitable, friendly and welcoming to strangers or visitors"
- Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff: 7:00am On Jun 04

"MuttleyLaff could The Lord be referring to inhospitable nature of these people or something worse? Oh, but I know you won't respond."
- e: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by Shepherd00: 2:43pm On Jun 04

Shepherd00, you can still from the three above inverted commas above, at least, that you are asking a question that I have already answered. I at 7:00am On Jun 04 did give the answer to what the sin is to kkins25, you responded to the answer with all manner of disparaging remarks, which I didnt mind.

"²²You must not mistreat any widow or orphan.
²³If you do mistreat them, and they cry out to Me in distress, I will surely hear their cry"
- Exodus 22:22-23

"¹⁴Do not oppress a hired hand who is poor and needy, whether he is a brother or a foreigner residing in one of your towns. ¹⁵You are to pay his wages each day before sunset, because he is poor and depends on them. Otherwise he may cry out to the LORD against you, and you will be guilty of sin. "
- Deuteronomy 24:14-15

Knowledge is everything. Read, study and research the Bible. When you dont do own home work on the Bible, this is exactly what happens, you will ask questions, like as if you're Nicodemus, that have glaring, plain to see, easily seen or noticed answers.

I am now, going to write a bit more and further in detail about the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah including why it was planned to be destroyed, even before the men of the city's attempted gang rape of those angels that looked like human beings (i.e. angels that had the appearance of men)

1/ The clue, for the reason of their sin, can be found within the "outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is great" text in Genesis 18:20. Shepherd00, the word, outcry, is a strong expression of anger and disapproval about something, made by a group of people or by the public. The bible uses the "outcry" word, as you can see, from at least Exodus 22:22-23 and Deuteronomy 24:14-15 above, to report the cries of people, those that are unfairly treated, those oppressed and those treated in a savage, unfriendly, unwelcoming, inhospitable and/or violent ways

The sin of Sodom and Gomorrah was continuall and persistently being cruel, violent to others and being insensitive to the pain they cause others. Their time was up, when the outcry of the people and the land reached God

2/ Jesus in Matthew 10:14-15, even confirms, that the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah was about it not renowned for its hospitality. Jesus never nor once, mentioned nor associated sexual sin with Sodom and Gomorrah, but he drew a special attention mention of inhospitality compared with Sodom and Gomorrah's case.

3/ Sodom and Gomorrah, should have being the least people to be behaving in this way because remember how in Genesis 14:1-17, God delivered them from been under the control of Chedorlaomer, yet they are unwelcoming to others, oppressing others, maltreating others etcetera

I am sorry, time again isnt an ally, time no dey, there isnt time for me to continue doing justice to this Sodom and Gomorrah grieous sin palaver thing, but at least, you gained a lickle bit of education so far, you would admit. I surely will revisit the matter in the future, for sure as someone or even you, I trust will again bring it up

You genuinely should feel sorry for yourself, but never mind, dont worry, as one day, you will get all this on your own, and with tears streaming down your face, realising how you had it all wrong

I am patient with any that is ignorant but not with those who are proud of being ignorant Shepherd00.

Shepherd00, you can't help men permanently, by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves

At least, try being informed, for a change, and not just opinionated
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PS: You are distracting me from finishing replying to those TV01 outstanding posts. I dont have time as an ally and do have work to attend to. I had to abort responding to TV01, to attending to you because of your incessant screeching and snapping at my heels

Like I said, Have it your own way.

MuttleyLaff:
"For fornicators, for males who lie down with males, for kidnappers of free men, for liars, for oath breakers and for all things opposed to the sound teaching"
- For fornicators, for males who lie down with males, for kidnappers of free men, for liars, for oath breakers and for all things opposed to the sound teaching

Yes OkCornel, the money question is, who originally, before words in the Bible got changed from their actual and/or meanings, was/were Paul referring to in 1 Timothy 1:10, hmm?

1/ Why would I say Jesus and John the Beloved were homo-lovers, ehn? This is crazy, you really have lost the plot Shepherd00.
2/ What reason have you that would make me want to say that, hmm?

I am waiting for your answers

kkins25

For fornicators, ~~~~for males who lie down with males, [have sex], for kidnappers of free men, for liars, for oath breakers and for all things opposed to the sound teaching[/i]"
- For fornicators, for males who lie down with males, for kidnappers of free men, for liars, for oath breakers and for all things opposed to the sound teaching


I don't have to answer you, I take time to respond to MuttleyLaff because he said he was a Christian, you are not so your opinions doesn't count.

Whatever you believe that's for you.

kkins25:
I have been doing a little research on this, it would seem that this debate would continue to rage for ages. My findings suggest that the Bible does not explicitly state that homosexuality is a sin. In fact, the term didn't exist until two centuries ago.
I, Kkins25 am aware that Homosexuality is not just a thing of the mind, as even the Pilar of Christianity has stated here



My research has corroborated what muttley said :

1/ The clue, for the reason of their sin, can be found within the "outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is great" text in Genesis 18:20. Shepherd00, the word, outcry, is a strong expression of anger and disapproval about something, made by a group of people or by the public. The bible uses the "outcry" word, as you can see, from at least Exodus 22:22-23 and Deuteronomy 24:14-15 above, to report the cries of people, those that are unfairly treated, those oppressed and those treated in a savage, unfriendly, unwelcoming, inhospitable and/or violent ways- https://www.nairaland.com/5221576/deconstructing-lies-myth-consensual-adult/13#7931603

I didnt know that previously but i do now. Thanks to muttleylaff.

Good for you.

victorian:
Hmm! You are right

I will tell him.

He said this morning, that him who always counsel people about the Holy Spirit and Christ, got so weak and lost faith completely last night and he realised the devil can really play tricks with one's mind.

Hes happy I revived his faith again. He never knew he could break down like that.

Sighs


I will copy and paste your message to him. Thanks so much!

Tell him that what he experienced happens to all faithful disciples of Christ. If we all shd open up and tell, we all have our down times.

It's very critical because satan takes advantage of this testing time and wld break us out we don't surround ourselves with the right brethren.

The Lord put you in his life because of this reason. Thank you for being there for him. Keep it up.

He who waters shall be watered also. The Lord shall send you help when you need it.

MuttleyLaff:
/\/\/\
Shepherd00 is going to go sulking over the above kkins25 comment, as he isn't going to like or enjoy reading it. Watch him and some haters, cast aspersions on that kkins25 comment.

Everything thing, I write, can be fact checked, if only the will is there and if you don't hate reading long posts too, like some have openly admitted.

When you serve people with food in groundnut pods, those that will eat and have their fill, like kkins25 did, will be there, but people like.... hmmm.

kkins25, don't stop here, but please research on what really Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 is all about and why the reason, it is an abomination. If ambitious, then, delve into similar verses Paul wrote, to find the true and original meanings of the words used, that have since being changed and have false misleading meanings.

You have restored my faith in humans. It is because of the one person like you, the minority, that I write and do what I do. There is hope. Thank you my dear kind hearted sire.

Welcome aboard, make your at home, there is plenty of room, find yourself a space. You will find the view worth it, from this height.

Have you forgotten that kkins25 is an atheist hence the word of God is useless to him? lol

victorian:
I will. I have already promised him.

Let him train his voice the more through a professional choir master in church and when I listen to his tape again.

I wil give him the money to go remix and launch it and do what's he's meant to do.

I will be one of his sponsors. I'm ready to back him up as well. He's full of talent with his voice.

It's amazing

Psalms 92:12-14 The righteous shall flourish like the palm tree:

he shall grow like a cedar in Lebanon.

Those that be planted in the house of the LORD shall flourish in the courts of our God.

They shall still bring forth fruit in old age; they shall be fat and flourishing;


Pls let him know that our destinies are distinct. We don't mature and produce fruits at the same time.

As it is with plants, so it is with humans.

People with simple destinies gets what they ask for easily and in few years, no one hears about them anymore. But great destinies takes llllllooooonnnngg to mature and when they begin producing fruits, it goes on and on and many of those whom he thinks are ahead now will come back to collect from him.


Tell him not to compare his life with anyone's. Things are working for those he prays for, but the same prayer seems not to walk for him. It happens.

Tell him he has the destiny of a Palm Tree or a Cedar. or even a Cocoa plant.

Let me explain. Crops like groundnut, maize, vegetables, beans plantain, Cassava, yam, takes less than or not more than one year to mature for harvest. But, crops like Cocoa plants, Mango, oranges, palm trees or cocoanuts altho planted the same time with the first group of crops I mentioned, would still be in their germination stages or just still in the nursery.

It takes them more than 7 or even some 10 years to begin to produce fruits. Remember they were planted the same day with the other crops o. But, see the duration it takes for people to start even talking about them.

If you were a Cocoa plant that knows you were planted the same day with corn, and in 3 to 4 months people are eating corn, beans, Yams etc and are praising it, while you have not even germinated from the ground, what will be your reaction?

Will you cry, be envious of the Corn? Will you hate God for making you a Palm Tree or a Cocoa plant which takes forever before bearing fruits?

Will you cut yourself off from the ground like this your friend almost did?

What will you do?

But, watch when the Cocoa plants begins to bear fruits, its fruits comes every year for for years. while his friend Corn bears fruits only for just that season.

Now, all these years that the second group of crops are just watching others flourish, what will they be doing?

They won't be idle, they'd be gathering momentum by digging deep into the ground. their roots are sinking deeper and deeper into the soil. Their roots will get right down on the soil that they begin to suck from the underground water for sustenance.

They won't be depending on rain or to be watered by any one to stay alive. Dem don grab ground and when they begin to bear fruits, not only them will eat from it. Generations will be supplied by the fruits they bare. Neighbors, thieves, friends and enemies shall eat from them

When dry season comes, no shaking

When rainy season comes, okay o.

Wind can not shake them.

Tell your friend to find out from scriptures what type of person he is to God.

And he knows to tell others about the Holy Spirit, but can't ask the Holy Spirit about himself?

CosmicPhoenix:

no amount of prayer can heal depression,that guy needs medical help

The Spirit of heaviness is responsible for depression and all he needs if the Spirit of Joy to replace heaviness.

You are on the other side so won't understand. don't bother responding.

Amen. Maranatha.

OkCornel:
1 Timothy 1 v 8-11;

8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;

9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;


Apostle Paul didn't count those who DEFILE THEMSELVES WITH MANKIND as righteous people...

Now the million dollar question is...who was Paul referring to as those who DEFILE THEMSELVES WITH MANKIND?

MuttleyLaff will have you believe that those who engaged in sex with men in the Pagan Temples as a form of worship to satan, but 'there's this other one which is good and acceptable by God, that passage is not referring to them.

As far as he is concerned, only when it is done in Pagan Temples that is counted as Sin, not when it is done at home.

But, the Sodomites didn't attempt to do it in the Temple, neither did the men in Judges 19:22.

MuttleyLaff is all about the name change, the location where it is done, but not the very act.

Romans 1:31-32 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

openmine:
Good!
That's the question that should be squarely directed at him!
But alas,he will either refer you to his three page 'bring you back' load of crap or say scriptures will be coming in the next blockbuster movie "fast and furious 9"

Hahahahahahaha. That guy is a joke.

openmine:
Haba I no wan give person pikin heart attack ohh....the ones you and TV01 are dishing at him is more than enough for him to muster!
That question you are asking him will never....I repeat,will never be answered by him!
An individual who claims to be spiritually minded will turn the scriptures upside down just to suit his clownish hypothesis!
Ever since he kept accepting and also rejecting his very submissions was when I knew I was dealing with a barefaced prevaricator!
Watch how he will place an 'IGNORE MODE ON' claptrap just to show he has run 'out of steam'!

He said 'Jesus Highly praised homosexuality above Heterosexuality, give out the passage nah, he said I'm not ready for that level of truth. Imaoo.

He said God promised in the book of Isaiah to recompense the homosexuals and lift them from a minority to majority, give reference nah, he said I will trample on it.

Let me say this again, I am glad this came up, I now know who MuttleyLaff really represent.
MuttleyLaff is a lair, a falsifier of the gospel (Truth thief). He is proud and boastful, and calls evil good.

All pastors except the ones who okays homosex, are fake, but only him and his gay community are right.

The thunder wey go fire satan and his agents is under construction. make dem wait.

openmine:
@Shepherd00
I told you....

He has only one Card left to play. Wait for it, very soon he'll say Jesus and John the Beloved were homo-lovers.

MuttleyLaff is a N.W.O agent.

MuttleyLaff:
I have never kept it a secret what type of homosexuality is permissible. If TV01 could suss me out that, you are better off asking him to tell about what say in that regard. You know how to reach out to him on other matters, why are you shy asking him on this one?

Lolzzzzz. Why must TV be the one to tell me? You are here now, yet I must reach out to TV01 to tell me what you believe is the right type of Homosexuality.

MuttleyLaff, have it your own way.

MuttleyLaff:
Its you lot who dodge my questions, like, what is the evil in same sex attraction, what is the reason, God said it's an abomination, why did God, say he desists it, what is wrong or bad in same sex attraction acts etcetera, you lot just abandoned and run off without responding to any of them. I answer you reasonable, rational and non obnoxious questions. I sometimes reanswer questions, I've previously answered elsewhere too.

How many times do I have to answer this?

1.I call sin, and abomination what God calls sin and abomination.

2. As Hetero-sex is a form of worship to Jehovah. Homosex is a form of worship to satan

3.It is Satan's sex pattern. God created human race to continue. Satan wants to kill, steal and destroy the earth.

4. Homosexuality is death and Useless to Man and the Universe.

5. It is a transgression of the Law, 'Go into the world and Multiply', and seeks to defeat the counsel, 'Have children and fill the earth

God dearest it because IT IS UNCLEAN. UNNATURAL, VILE, AND ABOMINABLE.

Read above.

Unlike you who evades questions, ask me again, and I will tell you again.

MuttleyLaff:
There is no escape route. I locked the door with all of us inside and threw out the key through the window. Didnt I say, no one get off this bumpy ride before the wheels come off. You no sabi momoh
TV01, sees certain things you dont see. I know you'll listen to him rather than me telling you stuff.

Its the other way round actually, its you having a bone to pick with me remember

MuttleyLaff. Which homosexual built a Church for the Israelites. Isaiah chapter what and verse what did God promised to recompense the homosexuals?

Which passage of the Bible did Jesus Christ of Nazareth highly praised homosexuals above Hetero-sex?

Can you answer for the sake of others?
Have it your way. Answer or not, the truth remains bright.

MuttleyLaff:
Is your nose still growing? SMH. It should because I never mentioned tongue sucking or lip sucking kisses. It was you who said men kissing each other was unhuman, making me provide you with biblical ref of kissing men

But I mentioned tongue and lip sucking when I mentioned Jamal and his gay men. You mentioned these people, why did you if you didn't mean that they also sucked tongues and lips as Jamal Lyon did?

MuttleyLaff:
You havent proven yourself worthy to be or qualify to be, in the know, yet of it

Lolzzzzz. Why not try and get your ass kicked to a curb? Liar.

Have it your own way. The means determines the end.

MuttleyLaff:
Yeah, there is a link, but thats for me to know but for you, to go find out

Yet, you mention it to me. You don fear MuttleyLaff.

Anyways, have it your own way. Jesus will patiently wait for us both.

MuttleyLaff:
Nah, dont want to, you'll get miserable and depressed if I do, and I dont want that for you Shepherd00.

Who is intimidated by whom now? Fear fear.

MuttleyLaff:
I earlier asked you that, do you know who originally from the real meaning, before it got changed to homosexual, is a sodomite, as in, what is sodomy Shepherd00? but you replied back with: should we now leave the Act and what the Lord says about it to talk about the name and who coined it or changed it?
and that the real meaning is Men having sex with men, further telling me, call it whatever, the meaning will not change. This is an ignoranus statement to make and you seem delighting in your ignorance of what sodomy or sodomite, originally and truly means

Have it your own way MuttleyLaff, but the Bible is there for those who wld read to see what sodomy or who the sodomites are, and what they do

MuttleyLaff:
20Then the LORD said, “The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is great. Because their sin (is) [Singular]so grievous, 
21I will go down to see if their actions fully justify the outcry that has reached Me. If not, I will find out.”"
- Genesis 18:20

SMH, this guy really doesnt know his Bible sha

What was this 'Sin?'

Genesis 19:4-7 But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:

And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.(I.e. have sex with them).

And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him,

And said, I pray you, brethren, ~~~do not so wickedly.~~~

MuttleyLaff what is the sin in this context? The reads will make up their mines.

But, you, have it your own way.

MuttleyLaff:
It is called restoration and part of the Gospel

Siddon there, bin dey ask me. OK?

At this point, I genuinely feel sorry for you Muttley. Hmmm.

MuttleyLaff:
I know I have, but you obviously havent read when and where. You dont like long posts

I'd ve asked that you led me there, but you could post other scriptures I'm capable of handling to me, but the scriptures where God promised to restore the homosexuals, where Christ highly praised the homosexuals etc, I am not efficient in Scriptures, so you won't.

Have it your own way.

Someone will read what we type here, pls be ready to.post he scriptures to them.


This is my stance today, tomorrow and for ever, Homosexuality is an abomination, it is an abhorrent Act, it is unnatural, vile, unclean and useless to the human race and their Universe in general.

It leads to death and extinction.

MuttleyLaff:
Their cup of wrath was full for divine judgement to be visited upon them Shepherd00

This will be my last reply to you. Let everyone who reads what we have posted here deduce the truth.
It's useless going on with this.
There are two kind of persons on earth;
Those who say to God, 'Let your Will be done'.
And, those to whom God will say, 'Alright then, have it your own way.

MuttleyLaff:
The Amorites are mentioned in the Bible as inhabitants of Canaan both before and after the conquest of the land, now God, in, Deuteronomy 12:31 said: "You must not worship the LORD your God in their way, because in worshipping their gods, they do all kinds of detestable things the LORD hates" and Leviticus 18 gives details of many of the sinful religious practices of the Canaanites, which included child sacrifice to the god Molech, incest, bestiality, being kadesh or qadesh (i.e. which is temple prostitute and a form of homosexuality) and cultic prostitution, I have earlier, talked about why God was against the Amorites, I've talked about why Sodom and Gomorrah was planned to be destroyed, even before their attempted homosexual gang rape intention of visitor angels to the town, but all you want from me, is to cut everything up in small piece sizes, prise your mouth open and spoon feed you. Maybe I should come you tuck into bed too tonight. What time do you sleep at night, so I'll come do just that for you too, hmm?

How convenient. You left out Homosexuality which the Bible mentioned as what led to the land vomiting its inhabitants.
Have it your own way.

MuttleyLaff:
Why the interest? So you could trample on it and dance all over it, I guess, hmm?

If I trample over it, others may not. So, you dey fear me?

Have it your own way.

MuttleyLaff:
Now, its gotten to you, accusing me of copy pasting "pro-homosexual ideologies with warped and skewed Bible representations". It is only a wounded person that lies and lie low with a slanderous comment like that

Do you want me to repost from the sites you guys gather to convince yourselves that God loves homosex and that David and Jonathan were lovers, and that Jesus and John were lovers?

Shd I post it?

MuttleyLaff, have it your own way.

MuttleyLaff:
Really? I know you have forgotten, I've told you about Mpho Andrea Tutu-van Furth. I know you dont know who her father is and I know you'll lambaste him once you know, saying he's sold out, he has disappointed you etcetera

Mpho Andrea Tutu-van Furth is the daughter of Bishop Desmond Tutu who is a lesbian?

So? Her father is an Anglican Bishop who ordains homosexuals as Bishops and Viccahs. But, who is she? A great missionary to the nation's carrying the gospel of Christ to far and near lands, yet homosexual, right?

Clap yourself.

MuttleyLaff:
Remember that what brought me interjecting David and Jonathan with Judas and Jesus or others kissing was when you said, it is unhuman for a man to kiss another man. Whether David was homosexual, bisexual or whatnot is no skin off my nose, as I couldnt be bothered what he is

You interjecting with these examples implies that you mean to present homosexuals mouth to mouth kisses with the philio cheek Peking as the same. True or false?

MuttleyLaff:
There were no Patriarch homosexual, doesnt mean there werent ordinary people being SSA persons.

Amongst the worshipers of Jehovah, who are who were the commoners who were Homosexuals?

MuttleyLaff:
Though homosexuality was in Abraham's time and Lot lived in their midst, more information werent recorded because the Bible deemed it not information worthy or important enough.

The Bible deemed it not information worthy enough?
Ah, this guy sha. Cities went out of extinction because of this, yet you think this was not information worthy enough? The information given is enough for us to work with. Sodomy today has it's root from there. Wirhout the information from the Bible, you and I won't be having this conversation.

MuttleyLaff:
I've somewhere above, told you that, SSA persons were the minority then, even as they still are today, which is less than 5% of the world population.

How then did they managed to get quite the attention they had to attract fire rain from heaven?

MuttleyLaff:
I added that SSA persons, were inconsequential back then, until the time, God promised them in Isaiah and elsewhere, that He will recompense them.

Okay, they became a force to reckon with, hence Jehovah made them a promise of recompense. Righttttt

Which Chapter and verse in Isaiah?

MuttleyLaff:
I have several times over, on this thread and elsewhere, told, the kind of homosexuality God frowns upon.

Yeah, you said so, but didn't say which one He approves backing it up with scriptures.

The Word of God is the mind of God.

MuttleyLaff:
I am not surprised you are fibbing here, did you at all notice, a sudden and gradual increase in your nose, hmm?

I do correctly remember our interaction, where you advanced that it is unhuman for a man to kiss another man, so I kindly gave you examples of men kidding each other, like Judas kissing Jesus, Joseph kissed his father, Jacob and vice versa etcetera

In other words these people were homosexuals?
The kisses you mentioned were the Tongue sucking or lip sucking kisses? To this you dodged.

MuttleyLaff:
I've told you already about your deficiency in Bible. You really need to brush up your Bible, to get rid of your deficiency

@TV01 and @ openmind pls you guys who are efficient in Scriptures should tell MuttleyLaff to post the passage of the Bible stating that Jesus highly Praised homosexuality more than Heterosexuality. Abeg. Him say him no go.post am because me I no sabi Bible.

MuttleyLaff, didn't you know I was deficient when you brought that up. Post it for the sake of your audience.
Pls don't forget to post this took

¶ The Homosexual who built a Church for the Israelitish Church.
¶ The passage in Isaiah where God made a promise to the Homosexuals

¶ The Passage where Jesus highly praised homosexuals above heterosexuals.

MuttleyLaff:
Yes, I said it and you can take it to the bank.
The kind of person that previously told you about pearls not lying on seashores, and it you wanted some, you have to get your feet wet and dive for it.

They way brag, one wld think it won't take you anything to post proves to validate your boastings.

I ask you again, who was he? Any link to verify it?

MuttleyLaff:
You seemed to have again gone on a proof-texting spree here Shepherd00. I am not going to bother, let you know what the Bible, says about you.

You can try.

MuttleyLaff:
Yawns, because, one, SSA were the minority then, even as they still are today, which is less than 5% of the world population.

Their population was 5% according to you, but they powerful and influential enough to have Temples and their own gods and temple prostitutes.

And, their activist were quite renown enough to attract God to come down and see for Himself if it was indeed true.

Genesis 19:4-5 Before Lot and his guests could go to bed, ~~~every man in Sodom~~~, young and old, came and stood outside his house and started shouting, “Where are your visitors? Send them out, so we can have sex with them!”

These are very few men indeed.

Judges 19:22
While they were enjoying themselves, ~~~a crowd of troublemakers from the town surrounded the house. They began beating at the door and shouting to the old man, “Bring out the man who is staying with you so we can have sex with him.~~~”

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Two, SSA, were inconsequential back then until God promise in Isaiah and elsewhere that He will recompense them[/quote]They were inconsequential to God? Yet ,cities of Sodom, Gomorrah and the surrounding cities stands annihilated because of this Act?

And Canaan committed them out?

And Isaiah chapter what verse what pls?

MuttleyLaff:
They are, you just don't like them asides that, you keep asking questions, I've already touched or answered.

Okay let's say the problem is with me, who else agrees with you on this?
MuttleyLaff, you copy pasting pro-homosexual ideologies with warped and skewed Bible representations. No Christian will agree with you.

MuttleyLaff:
We thank God for His wisdom of permitting the narrative of David and Jonathan in the Bible

In other words you admit saying David and Jonathan were in homosex relationship?

MuttleyLaff:
You are right he never made any distinctions and I never said he did. What I said is that TV01 know my homosexuality purview, so ask him

I am not having a discussion with TV, it's with you. So tell me. Which type of Homosexuality is permissible and approved of God? With scripture.
And Oh, maybe that Isaiah you mentioned can help us.

MuttleyLaff:
The little subtle facts, so far advanced, are unsettling you Shepherd00. You aren't ready for the facts, you can't yet handle the facts, you'll go wobbly jelly so just sit back and be reading the commentary between TV01 and I.

Yet you can handle little me here. U are dodging questions like your very life depends on it.

I am not TV, and when you went everywhere boasting of trashing me you forgot you'd have to actually do the trashing? Now you are looking for an escape route.

You have a bone to pick with me independent of TV.

MuttleyLaff:
Did you read, that in the Bible, that there were no planes, cars etcetera, hmm Shepherd00? You see, I too, know how to play, ask the absurd/unreasonable questions game Shepherd00, just putting that out.

Lolzzzzz. I asked you why no Patriarch was homosexual, you asked me if any Patriarch drove cars or flew on airplanes, and I said no. What is the game in this?
Just say you want dodge the question MuttleyLaff. Later now, you go dey claim say you don a answer me. Na dey answer be this?

Wasn't homosexuality in Abraham's time? Lot lived in their midst, why wasn't it recorded that one Jehovah's worshipper was a homosexual? Why is this so heard to answer? Pls take yourself serious.

PrecisionFx:
He has a psychological breakdown n nothing more.

Stop all these Nonsense.

Why not help him ?

You were once in his shoes, what did you do for the incubus to stop?

Will be sincere and say it if its still happening but now since you drop Christianity you feel it's okay?

Bottom line, help the guy and tell him what you did psychologically to.stop it
Pls don't tell him to.PM you o, post it here so that others will learn.

PrecisionFx:
Wen i had a so called spiritual wife for several months, I thought it was the devil, my pastor thought so too. I would have sex with her (someone I don't know) every night and even wen I ejaculate in my dream, I wake up and find out that I have ejaculated in real life.

I prayed n fasted for many months with ZERO results, it kept happening. At the end it was just a psychological, and it stopped immediately i discovered that.

Africans really need to stop all this spiritual spiritual rubbish for issues and events thay they dont understand, it's very stupid.

Open ur eyes.

Hmmm. Okay. But can you tell what you did to psychologically have someone you were having sex with and ejaculating on in your sleep and even in real Life?
What let to that?

When you discovered it was psychological, what did you do to stop having the sex?

Pls share so that the guy can learn and get help.