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Nadingo:
So North is not even the real parasites but Ndi developers? Wonders shall never end

We are already begging Davido's papa to go to Imo and show them how real investment is done. Be your in-law's keeper.

He pronounced zoo on himself, he got zoo. Wetin come be our own concern with consequences of chochocho?

Uranos:
The same country considered a zoo. What happened to Biafra his own country?

Lawyers chopping Mazi's money

True! I was watching a Youtube video on engineering thermodynamics. I couldn't believe how difficult concepts were explained in very simple ways. Our typical professors struggled to break them down making interesting topics very unappealing and extremely hard.

lagonovo:
They probably have easier access to study materials over the years due to better internet availabilty at higher bandwidth. Also, lecturers are under more scrutiny due to social media. Those are two of several factors.

Thunderfayamods:
That details is not for me because I don't understand why people always call out northers as if there no brilliant northerns. Mind you I am from the South.

Neither do I. I schooled with very brilliant Northerners. However products of local community schools have limited exposure to other people.

Thunderfayamods:
Thanks God that you mentioned north! Now that answers your own comment!

Not my comment o, I just added useful details for both of you.

Thunderfayamods:
Please educate me this name Azeez Butali is from where?

Butali is Lagos-born and a graduate of UNILAG. His name sounds northern so should be ethnically from one of the sub-groups in the core north or middle-belt.

We go show okoro pepper until they understand the basics of mutual respect

Omoawoke:
Congratulations to our brothers and sisters making us proud



Hahahaha

Yoruba people no dey do this kind thing before ooo , 🤣

Na ipob people provoke us reach this level…

It’s going to be a long season for them

Very true.

Proud of the ever consistent achievers, the great Omoluabis there, and also very proud of Eno Obong, Ijeoma and Butali. Forza Nigeria!

TimeManager:
Nigeria, good people, great nation.


-Kiss the truth!

Yorubanization by America. Here in upper iweka road, we no go gree.

Please forget about your fake 1903 story.

Modakeke warriors chased Ooni to the bush for over 13 years long before that. Nobody noticed anything even in nearby Ikire, Apomu etc. Let your Ooni cater to his people in his community in Ife. That's the only recognition that should matter to him.

christistruth01:
Ooni is not Anybody

Only Ooni of Ife wears the Aare Crown
Which was exactly the same crown Odudiwa Wore

Ooni of Ife is the highest and founding king of Yorubaland

Rev Samuel Johnson who wrote the History of the Yorubas was a Great Grandson to Alaafin Abiodun

Bishop Ajayi Crowthers mother was also a daughter of Alaafin Abiodun

When Ooni left his Palace in 1903 to go to Lagos on the request of the British Gov because of a Case between 2 Yoruba Kings Akarigbo and Elepe all the Yoruba kings including the Alaafin of Oyo left their Palaces for the entire Period Ooni was away because their father was outside his Palace


Such a king with that type of Authority and Recognition is not a Shrine keeper

Everyone recognises Ooni

abysirius:
Oyomesi is on a long thing. They are fighting a battle that can never be won.

Leave them. The state government will soon announce the suspension of each one of them and the new Alaafin will install their replacements from their respective family houses. That wahala alone will keep them busy for a while.

Leave traditional institutions alone and face your faith as a muslim. What is the business of a muslim with the politics around the cultural institution of tradional ruler? Stop nosing around for unnecessary issues. The world does not revolve around anybody's personal choice of religion. Your religion is personal between you and God. You answer for yourself only.

As you have now found out, Ooni is recognized as shrine keeper in Oyo and other places. To be king of a place you have to rule there, Oyos appear unaware of your claims

christistruth01:
Ooni is not Anybody

Only Ooni of Ife wears the Aare Crown
Which was exactly the same crown Odudiwa Wore

Ooni of Ife is the highest and founding king of Yorubaland

Rev Samuel Johnson who wrote the History of the Yorubas was a Great Grandson to Alaafin Abiodun

Bishop Ajayi Crowthers mother was also a daughter of Alaafin Abiodun

Everyone recognises Ooni

Succinctly put.

Dindondin:
Relax. History of Yorubas by Rev Samuel Johnson was written in the 1800s. He had more concrete evidence while relating with Arokins (historians).
At some point, Oranmiyan left Ife to Benin and to Oyo. Obalufon was there as caretaker.
Oranmiyans siblings all went different parts to have separate kingdoms. A priest that was Oduduwa's confidant was placed on throne.
So tell the world the descendant of Oduduwa that continued kingship because all Oranmiyan's kids were rulers in Oyo. He has three major sons. Owomika (Eweka), Ajakaiye (Ajaka) and Arabambi (Sango).
None succeeded their grandad's throne because their father had other kingdom(s).
If you doubt it, quite again and you will be given screenshot from Samuel Johnson's book.
Not here to disregarded Oni or Yorubas but history is sweet when it's out straight.

As simple as ABC.

Ojuntana:
This story does not make scientific nor probabilistic sense

When you're writing accounts of history, you have to apply scientific analysis and probability to your story else it becomes a fable. This story is easily one.

Firstly, consider the probability of an Oduduwa coming from nowhere to wage war on 13 established clan who have formed a kingdom. A kingdom by definition has a standing army. To wage war will imply that Oduduwa came with forces of his own. Now, imagine an all-conquering force moving from either the southern coast or the northern desert to Ife without having to fight a war or subsume the tribes and lands on their way until they got to Ife. It is impossible.

Secondly, imagine that the impossibility above happens which means Oduduwa is a settler and not an aborigine. In essence, he is building his own kingdom on that of the conquered Obatala. It is a fact of conquest that he will seek to establish his own people in all the nooks and cranny of his kingdom just like Dan Fodio did from Sokoto and being a militarised kingdom, expansion will be on their minds. There is no evidence of any empire at Ife. Ife has always been and still remain one with spiritual significance and not military or political prestige. Such prestige belongs to Oyo and Benin.

Thirdly, you're making an assumption that after Oduduwa’s death, his people simply frittered away and let Obatala come back without lifting a finger while at the same time, you claim his son was busy establishing other kingdoms. The only way there's a remote possibility of this is if Oranmiyan was presumed dead and his conquests unknown to the subjects of his father. If not, he'll be summoned almost immediately the Obatala clan attempt to retake the throne.

Fourthly, you mentioned three kings whom Oranmiyan essentially outlived till he found his way back to Ife and fought the fourth one to get back his preferred throne. See first point above again. Another invasion not recorded anywhere in history. What is the probability of an Oranmiyan who (if it is even remotely possible he outlived three kings in those times) is frail and aged having the wherewithal to wage war and conquer all over again. Such people like Oranmiyan hardly live long in those times because of the exposure to the elements in their travels and very crude medical expertise. Again, it is impossible for him to have outlived three kings and still have the strength to wage a war on the fourth one.

Lastly, the last line of the fable is the most ridiculous. Oranmiyan must either be very stupid or just does not really care for the throne to have died without ensuring a succession for a throne his father lost, he fought to regain and died on such that the deposed Alaaye still found his way back. Kingdoms are not established with such haphazardness.

More importantly, if Oranmiyan had enough knowledge of statecraft to establish two massive empires of Oyo and Benin, it makes no sense that the throne on which he died will fall so cheaply in the hands of his enemies.

Most importantly, how come he never even attempted unification of his conquered territories? That story is a fable.

Again, as far as Oyos are concerned the Oonis are shrine keepers. In fairness, the recent ones even dress like that. It is not derogatory, it just means they are spiritual leaders. Ife and Oyo were not the big towns that they are today, these were very small communities of people in those days. So across several generations, it's easy for a spiritual leader taking charge of community business to morph into the image of what we see as huge royalties today. If there is a royalty in Ife, Oyos would definitely know as they are direct bloodline. There is no way a warrior-king like Oranmiyan and his warrior children would not have ensured that.

seunmsg:
Fair enough. So, let’s start from Osangan Obamakin till date. Who among them was a shrine keeper?

Ojuntana:
This story does not make scientific nor probabilistic sense

True

Not everyone agreed that Oduduwa was Ooni.

seunmsg:
So, can you mention the name of the Ooni that came after Oduduwa or at any time that was a shrine keeper?

Please stop throwing silly percentages around to sound knowledgable. Add verifiable sources as references if you are sure.

LILTJAY:
oga the crime here is romance scam. Nigerians are the ones into romance scam. Those countries you mentioned are into advance fee fraud. Most fraudsters arrested for romance scam are 99% Nigerians when caught by FBI or interpol.

And majority of Benin people I know are into fraud. Like 95%

Anybody can wear crown if recognised as leader of a specific community. The issue is recognition by the undisputed lineage of the real owner who settled at a separate place.

Oyos are descendants of Oranmiyan, nobody can dispute that, but only recognize Oonis as shrine keepers. The fact that I don't live in my father's own house does not make me and my descendants subjects of those left behind there. My lineage is a direct and undisputable continuation of my father's lineage. Oyos are subjects to no one and the king is in Oyo.

christistruth01:
Ooni is Oduduwa's successor and is the defacto king of Yorubaland
The other Obas are the Autonomous Governors of Oduduwa's Yoruba Federation

If Ooni was a mere Shrine keeper he would not wear a Crown

That picture was several years after Modakeke warriors chased Abore Ooni of Ife Town to the bush for 13 good years and no Yoruba Oba raised any eyebrow. The picture proves nothing.

Let's stop creating what does not exist even in the olden days just to drive unnecessary agenda.

christistruth01:
.Why do you think Ooni is Ranked number 1 amongst all Oba of Yorubaland
Does Ooni look like an Abore to you in this Photo?



Why do you think no other Oba including Alaafin and Oba of Benin protested about the Ooni being given the number one spot?

I was trained to be grateful, at home, church and school, and I train my staff & all who look up to me to not only be grateful within but express gratitude. It drives positive energy and lifts every spirit.

We express gratitude to our clients and customers even when we know it was business not favour.

We express gratitude to the gatemen, housekeepers, clerks, project managers etc. Yet they are just doing their job. Every team member is encouraged to promote appreciation for even the smallest task including opening of gates.

An ungrateful heart has no place in our business. Let him find his fellow entitlement mindset crowd and fellowship together while fully justifying their negativity together.

lagonovo:
Some popular sayings about having a grateful heart:

1. "A grateful heart is a magnet for miracles."

2. "Gratitude turns what we have into enough."

3. "A thankful heart is not only the greatest virtue, but the parent of all other virtues." – Cicero

4. "When you are grateful, fear disappears and abundance appears." – Tony Robbins

5. "Gratitude unlocks the fullness of life." – Melody Beattie

6. "A grateful heart sees many blessings."

These sayings highlight the transformative power of gratitude in life.

Hope the untrained kid has learned a vital lesson to help him in his journey through this increasingly competitive world. Wisdom is key.

A quick real life lesson for the poor boy.

Ruthless leaders emphatically lay down the marker in the style of Mourinho, Alex Ferguson or Guardiola. Find a scapegoat and send strong message.

If dem born your papa well, step out for business in Igboland on monday you go know why Igbo man dey obey order well well even in 2025

Thewrath:
You failed to get the actual meaning of my response!
Let me break it down to your lay man Language,NO ONE tells the igbos what to do,or who to vote or kill for!

Kingship has been in igbo tradition long before the white man came.

Thewrath:
Igbos worship no one,not even the kings and that is why British indirect rule failed in igboland .

Maybe in 1922, not anymore

Kobicove:
You people should stop abusing the word "Billionaire" on this forum

Na acute poverty dey cause am. They tend to misbehave when they get some "freedom".

All in the name of God?

A foremost Oyo-born traditionalist, Professor (Senator) Wande Abimbola, a former senate majority leader and also former vice-chancellor of OAU Ife. and Awise Awagbaye has confirmed that the government of Oyo State contacted him on this issue and himself alongside other Babalawos consulted and the name announced was the name that they also presented to the state government as Ifa's choice.

The Oyomesi faction led by Bashorun acted in their own selfish interest, bypassed Yoruba traditional process, and endangered Yorubaland with their activities. The government will release more damning details in due course as necessary. This is done and dusted. The Alaafin has been chosen and that is Ifa's choice.

Shikena!

professorPABX:
You are taking this issue personal. I am yet to get a clear information that is why I restricted myself here.

The issue of Alaafin of Oyo is now beyond Bashorun or Politics. It is now very spiritual. In the Ancient Oyomesi, the Crown Prince (AREMO) was always known. It is the Practice in Benin till date . Circumstances have changed this system for several decades.

Unknown to us, there are many traditional institutions in South West and some West Africa countries that are interested in whoever becomes Alaafin. Bashorun is doing as if the throne influence is limited to Oyo Town alone. There must be divinations from Ekiti up to Benin and Togo Republics to know who is suitable to gods and the ancestors. The Yoruba race worldwide needs the throne more than Bashorun.

Thank you!!!

A prince was picked. They are all princes and just one will be king at this point. They should support him.

CommonSense1967:
This is part of the problem in Nigeria.
There is always animosity, fighting, arguments, enmity and all sorts of maladies whenever we have election, selection and anything that deals with leadership.
It seems that we are incapable of having leadership election or selection without rancor and infighting.
This happens in all organizations in all communities in Nigeria.
Even the Nigerian Law association, the Nigerian Medical association, market association, association of mechanics, association of anything you can think of, there will be infighting regarding who won and who stole the election or selection.
Ot only goes to show that Nigeria is full of unethical, untrustworthy and immoral people.
People are incapable of speaking the truth, everyone is all out for themselves instead of out for facts, truth and honesty.
It's really pathetic and sad.

Whoever suggested that angle knows nothing about Gbadegesin or any Oyo prince. Gbadegesin or Owoade can never be anybody's puppet. Gbadegesin bought them.

True, the late Alaafim undermined and even impoverished the Oyomesis.

Fryx:
Another angle is that the last Alaafin did not give them breathing space, so they will want to choose a man they can make puppet.