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musicwriter:
Where did your GO get money to build a university?

Where did your GO get money to build churches everywhere?

Where did your GO get money to buy an aircraft?

How does your GO make money?

How wealthy was your GO when he opened his first church?

u r so funny n ignorant. Have a nice day fantasizing

musicwriter:
You continue being evasive as you have no defense for your GOs or church. Being expensive is not even the question.

Again, I'll like to know; why should church members pay to learn in a school built with their tithes and offering money? This's the question I need an answer to.

Where did you get the info that tithe and offering is used to build schools or uni

musicwriter:
I' am not assuming. I know for a fact covenant university not only charge fees, but is expensive. I once made inquiries there for admission of two of my sisters.

Bros, the term 'expensive' is a relative term open to many interpretation but does not prove profit is being made. Stop assuming things i repeat.

divicoded:
Why are you crying more than the bereaved? Did anybody forces you to attend CU or LU? If you ate this pained, start your own university or hug the next energised transformer! Did anyone at Winners complained to you? Is you 10% at winners? Why are you whining online like a wailer or flat-head? Which one are you?

that dude is one hate filled dude man . . .

fatdick:
you should have noticed by now that the dude is operating on a 'GIGO' basis. He is just pouring out what has been fed into their heads at school. You're trying to teach him common sense but their brains have been occupied with garbage. Though I attend Winners Chapel periodically, I am against this level of brainwash. Free the dude abeg

Point out the garbage let's help you with what your brain can't comprehend. Where does the profit goes to?

musicwriter:
Churches are non-profit organization. They're registered not to run a profit oriented business.

Can u prove the above? Not all unis are profit making unis. Stop assuming what u don't know bros. Even fed uni that gets taxpayers fund make more profit than the 'expensive' private unis who make profit . . .

musicwriter:
Covenant university is owned by Oyedepo and church, and its the most guilty of them all. The school is the most expensive, so expensive the church members themselves can't afford it.

Why should his followers pay to learn is a university built with their tithe and offering money?

Why do Federal uni students pay tuition in universities built with their tax? Tax that's forcefully collected as against tithes and offering voluntarily paid. Think bro . . .

fatdick:
Are you asking me like you're blind or something? Do you know how we spot the half-baked, sophomoric & myopic students? When they encounter a superior argument, they resort to insults. So much for a CU student......I won't be so petty to engage you with insultive words. Next time, before you post a distorted fact on a public forum as this, use your brain and don't just assume every1 will swallow your dirty opinion. Run along now boy!

I won't derail the thread just yet. I let ur insults slide for now. . .

fatdick:
They cannot continue taking offering for these projects because they are completed projects. Is it even sensible to keep requesting funds for a project that is over a decade now?
CU and LU collect school fee (which is not cheap compared to public universities), the church has a bakery, a water company, a publishing company and generates revenue through rent/sale of shops and land within the church complex at Ota, aviation services, all the church branches remit 10% of their monthly income to the HQ.......and you say this huge fund is used for what exactly again?

You make me laugh. CU & LU completed? Oya I agree now . . . but this ur username get as e be o. Fat dìck connotes lots of blood leaving ur brain to reside in ur dick.

musicwriter:
The fact you're being evasive means you have no defense whatsoever.

Deeper life university.
Covenant university.
Redeemers university.
Chosen university.
e.t.c, e.t.c

Remove Covenant from that list please. As for the rest I can't tell but stop assuming too . . .

fatdick:
Next time, please be honest enough to add "I was told" before your statements. You appear to be just a CU student/graduate than a regular LFC member. Let me take you down memory lane, long before you got admitted to CU, church members gave special offering to finance the project, some even volunteered in areas of manual labour (carrying blocks, concretes and assisting on the site). Who are these partners you're talking about gan? What do they get in return for their partnership? Please dont you dare say 'nothing'.....else you sound naive.

Talking about recurrent expenditure, is that enough reason not to pay tax? Abi other profit making companies that pay tax no get recurrent expenditure ni? Are you confused?

And all the weekly tithes and offerings (which runs into huge millions) are used for what exactly if not recurrent expenses.....or does God come to pick them up personally, maybe He has an account. People who are mentally limited are not hard to notice.

But the story changed along the line. Stop dangling irrelevant history. What I described is the current model. Please when last did they take offering for uni(landmark or covenant) projects?

fatdick:
When projects are to be financed in Winner's Chapel, special offerings are raised which are project specific

I never heard that. What I know is the 'partner' arrangement. It was used for the enginering department buildings like EIE, civil and Mech.
Even if what you wrote was true, there is still the recurrent angle to it, do they also take special offerings for deisel, gen set, staff salary, equipments and other recurrent expenses? People use their mental limitation and circumstance to guess what they don't most times.

musicwriter:
Why should church members pay school fees to a school built with their tithe and offering money?

Let me know why the argument is flawed.

You don't know what you are saying. Give example of schools built with church members' tithe & offering too . . .

sarrki:

“What the Igbos need at the moment is to be very relevant and to occupy sensitive positions in the present administration.

“When we are well-positioned, it will give the Igbos very strong bargaining power in future politics of the country.”

Nnabuihe cautioned pro-Biafra agitators to shelve the idea, as secession would only be counter-productive for the South Eastern race.

@underlined, did Ijaws or Yoruba occupy relevant position(s) to be President?
If Soludo, Emefiele, NOI, Nnaji, Nebo, Ekweremadu, and others couldn't make it happen then what's the point?

. . . If they unite. Will they?

hahn:
Well, the bible doesn't say anything against child marriage. In fact Mary, the mother of Jesus, was underage herself and it was common practice by the ancient Jews to marry women at the age of 13-14

Prove it or explain the absense of VVF within Jews then.

kcnwaigbo:
you expect me to believe this? really?

I don't expect ur type tn believe it. You are one of those speculate and reason with your circumstances.

donnie:
Listen, there are no schools or businesses of the church that aren't taxed. Do your research.

I am hearing that for the 1st time. Will pay more attention and observe it.

At over N65bn/month that's huge oh . . .

hahn:
Too many great points here

They said: ‘This church is church of God and we are accountable to God.’ And I told them: ‘Very good, so you must take this church to heaven, you can’t operate it here’. When public funds are involved, government needs to ensure proper accountability.”

Hahaha! What is the location of heaven biko? In the imagination of the gullible members and in the bank accounts of the rich pastors

Shior

In islam when child marriage leads to VVF the victims are taken care off by govt owned and subsidized hospitals. I say this from experience. If god commanded child marriage and it is now leading to VVF, they might as well take the VVF victims to their god and prophet for further treatment. These people are clearly envious of the progresses the church is recording.

Seun:
Yea. I actually support the establishment of universities by churches. Those universities provide good education to rich students, thus freeing up more space for poor students in public universities. Also, it reduces the need for rich parents to send their kids abroad, thus saving forex.

However, I also agree with Mr Obazee's concerns. It's not right for a commercial entity to be allowed to escape accountability by simply hiding under the umbrella of a non-profit organization. The solution is for the schools to incorporate the schools as independent companies.

([s]Pastor Adeboye and others should be allowed to be GOs for life if he believes that this is God's will; but he should not be running for-profit businesses.[/s]) not sure if this is relevant due to lack of information

From my inside knowlegde of Covenant Uni for example, it isn't a profit run school neither is the Church itself a profit run church or organisation. People speculate trash according to their weak conscience and empty stomach alot.
I can say for a fact that Covenant Uni isn't funded by tithes and offering. When building new structures, they have people termed as 'partners' who do that voluntarily. Tell me how's that different from a LAUTECH or OAU that's govt owned but leaves room for people willing to donate building or labs?
My fear is for those copycat churches who try to replicate what's happening in some other churches they hardly understand.

Mc4larin:

“When you set up a church, your motive is to ensure that people are well focused to go to heaven. Then the money in the church should be targeted at ensuring that people are helped to do that. If you want to set up a school, then it should be free for all your members’ children. If you charge any money, then you are in the same league with other schools outside that are paying taxes to the government.

“If you set up schools, hospitals and the likes under a church, there is a high likelihood that you will be engaging in non-charitable activities within charity. If you are doing that, then what stops Dangote from setting up a mosque and having all his cements, rice and sugar under it? That is actually what some churches and mosques are doing.

These silly people who can't question religious backed killings, child marriage, or terrorism are trying to interpret God's will for Christians to Christians. The main question here should be is the Church owned school making profits or not?

As for the arguement of children of members attending the school for free since they pay tithes, offering and other seeds, it is a flawed arguement too. It may be a popular arguement among ignorant Christians.

Seun:
I support the forced divestment of private schools and other commercial businesses from churches. That's better than forcing tenure limits on church leaders. It is better to tackle the problem directly instead of using indirect methods that will lead to unintended consequences. The government has the right to insist that churches should sell off their commercial businesses, but not to dictate spiritual matters like leadership. A government that fights religion will be fought by religion. The result will be a more divided country. We can't afford that.

A confused govt that can't deliver quality education is trying to re-regulate private(church-owned) higher institutions. I don't support that. Is the govt saying NUC hasn't been doing a good job all these years?

Are the people paying the money to the church complaining? They(FRC) treat tithes & offering like deposits that are suppose to be kept . . .
If tithes & offering are deposits then let NDIC insure the church too. What about secret groups who collect dues?

The man has dissapointed but GEJ's mess makes him look good.

BraniacX:
And all these lies you mentioned, is according to who? If states owe salaries, how is that the fault of the FG? Are states not supposed to work within their means, under Jonathan, it was mainly osun state and few others that were owing salaries due to financial recklessness and heavy indebtedness (debts that were of no economic gain to the state), so it was never allocation shortfall, those states had to have their external debts serviced first before anything else! And we operate a capitalist economy not a socialist feeding bottle economy that buhari is turning us into! Where was the IGR aregbesola was bragging about back then?

marketers are still being owed today and the bulk of the marketers debt was accrued under buhari, fine, even about the marketers if you supported APC and took part in occupy Nigeria, you have no right to complain because the debt owed marketers was due to the presence of subsidies whose removal you opposed under jonathan only to turn around and support it under buhari, even with the subsidy removal by buhari the cost of fuel sky rocketed even when oil was selling for below $40/barrell, how do you explain that?

And as for the dollars, except you're talking about the black market price, save yourself the lies! You can tell us too, how that compares with today?

And if we were to even accept the lies you told, how does that translate into recession? What do you understand by recession sef?

Will you make a comparism of inflation and unemployment, foreign investor confidence, market ratings, stock market performance then and now too?

Stop being funny with 'facts'. Buhari cleared GEJ mess with what was suppose to pay our current debts.

BraniacX:
Clearly how?
I obviously didn't see it decline back then

Do you mind sharing your cyclopean or is it horussic insight with me?

for example dollar was going for N230, states were owing salaries due to allocation shortfall, marketers too were owed huge arrears.

eyeview:
I think it's a wrong postulation from you to state that the nation was already headed into recession before Buhari took charge. How can a nation whose economic indices were on a progressive growth during Gej be headed for recession. It grew to the point that it became the third fastest growing economy in the whole world.
Let's stop falling for the cheap propaganda APC and Buhari wants us to believe.
The truth is that every thing needed to reverse the economy of any thriving nation was experimented by Buhari on assumption of power. Some of these reverse gear policies and actions included:
1, Spending over 7 months to set up a ministerial team to drive the economy
2, Putting square pegs in round holes in the ministerial slots. None of the ministers were appointed in their areas of competence, this will lead to further loss of time to understand their sector and ofcourse, being novice in their sectors, they were at the mercy of the perm secs and DGs who were doing their 'deals" under the ministers' nose. A typical example was the budget padding.
3, Going to the international scene to label your country as criminals with only you as the saint will certainly scare away investors.
4, Outrighting banning of Forex to users and parallel markets automatically caused scarcity of forex which in turn caused the free fall of the naira against major currencies. That effect is responsible for 80 percent of the rising cost of goods and services today.
5, The division of the country on tribal lines with his unguarded comments. Since you and I agree that oil is still our sole source of income, there is a reason why previous govts treat the Niger delta, the goose that lays the golden egg with caution. You don't go to the foreign media to announce that the region that produce the wealth can not receive dividends of your govt because they voted their son and not you. In other words, you will take their wealth and develop your region and ignore them. The resultant effect was the bombing of pipelines which saw to the great decline of national income.
6, The sacrificing of merit on the altar of tribal bigotry. There are key offices and appointments you don't make based on tribal or any form of sentiment. Such offices are key but Buhari on assumption brought to fore his tribal bigotry. People who could have handled some key sectors were overlooked for 'brothers from the North's who had no experience in running dynamic systems like ours.

The list is endless. Buhari is purely responsible for the mess he has plunged this nation into.

He claims there was no money when he took over.
Obj received paltry USD 3bn from abdulsalaam yet we had no recession. He receives USD 30bn from Gej and he plunges the nation into recession.

He claims oil price fell at his tenure. Oil has been selling at an average of USD 55 per barrel. It sold for about USD 26 to USD 30 in yaradua and Gej respectively, yet we didn't enter recession.

At what point will it be clear to the likes of you that Buhari is solely responsible for our predicament

Stop being half smart. The economy was clearly on a decline b4 handover.

Billiondoe:
And just listen to ur self How did you manage to be this dumb?

Okay now you blame Lagos from making judicious use of the seaport and run it properly? Or is the seaport a state property? or do we have only Lagos sea port in Nigeria?

And who cares were Dangote put his refinary? Or they told u it's only Dangote that can have refinary?

Just sit down dey look (eko oni baje)

Stop being stubborn.

The manufacturers are mostly Christians nau .

Billiondoe:
As a professor that you is now it's you who will teach the state government what to do nau, if you are so intelligent why has your own state *Cough* or what ever pit you represent not close to being even 30percent of what Lagos is?

And we sleep at 1am Because we have to accommodate your brothers from every state, we don't even understand again (WO FE KU SIBI NI SHA]

In a country where noting works...Lagos is still the most developed state in the whole of Nigeria "quote me anywhere" your hate is beginning to eat up what is left of your mi-nute brain if atall you have any...

(btw you deserve every bit my comment to you cos if you don't come at me I won't come at you)

Free yourself of hate!!!

Stop sounding stupid, Lagos gets most of her income from import activity and is therefore dependent on Nigeria's import apetite. What Lagos needs to do is to keep luring the likes of dangote refinery so that whem importation of fuel stops, dangote will be pay tax that will help cover for import duty reduction.