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joespiceman:
funny

Really funny.

Omudia11:
These people are rubbing it in our faces that they rig elections to get into power.

In fact, I wonder. Little wonder some people are doing all they can to 'win' using everything at their disposal even if lives are lost. It is all about 'proving' that our party is doing well at the federal level in the midst of untold sufferings! Continue your propaganda.

akintom:
A rational assessment of your person says the contrary.

From your conclusions and perception of other human beings, you're just as full of hate, vengeance, malice, déception, evil and wicked intents, like most religious bigots are.

To assume a duty of calling other human beings false, fool, condemned and gonna roast in hell, because they don't care about your skydaddy, is the most disgusting and despicable assignments any rational specie will ever take on.

Seek rehabilitation for this irritating worldview of yours first, maybe you will then understand how needless and useless god idea is.

I thank God that there are non sentimental people following this thread. They can tell if my comments are as you are painting or aimed at making you and others like you to amend your ways and come to Christ before it is too late. Please I am not the one condemning any sinner who refuses to repent to roast in hell fire. It is the word of God. (Psalms 9:17; Matthew 25:41,46; Luke 12:4,5; Revelation 21:. I am not spared myself if I go back to sinning. I see, you do not believe in God. But it doesn't change the reality. It is out of love that I tell you and other this. I think it is wiser to be on the safer side. If you repent and accept Christ and at the end of this life, there is no hell fire, you have nothing to lose. But if you refuse, only to discover to your chagrin that hell fire is real, it would then be too late to make amends! The anguish and regret will be compounded by the thought"Oh I was warned!"

queenjuli:
Who will not be dedicated to the growth and sustenance of his PERSONAL business empire? The church belongs to him and it is in his own interest to keep it growing. Funny that he couldn't see a future when technology would make TV sets common household items in every home. TVs in those days used to be considered as luxurious items only enjoyed by the rich. The internet today has also become very accessible and viral.

You think Deeper Life Bible Church is pastor Kumuyi's personal 'business empire'? I think you are wrong. But you are forgiven because this is exactly the signal some Church founders and overseers are sending to the ever critical world. Well, we shall be proved right or wrong after God calls him home. But his body language does not suggest so. To the best of my knowledge as an insider, non of pastor Kumuyi's sons is being positioned to take over from him. Of course his wife cannot, because in Deeper Life Bible Church as in others, though a woman can minister, she cannot head a Location, District or Regional Church let alone the entire Church. So Deeper Life Bible Church is a ministry with the primary assignment to lead multitudes to heaven, not a business empire. Thank you.

Ken4Christ:
I agree with you to the extent that he is committed to his vision all these years without a scandal. But concerning his teachings, he has brought more confusion into the body of Christ.

1. His holiness preaching focuses more on dress codes. You can wear long maxi and tottle neck blouses and still be very unholy. Christianity starts from the inside and not the outside.

2. He made most of his members destroy their televisions which he is now preaching through.

3. He makes the women in his church look so shabby that many never find husband till death.

4. He makes the women cover their heads almost 24hrs and makes them smell such that even one of his pastors recently complained he can't sleep with his wife because of the smelling hair.

5. He forbids the members from putting on jewelry which does not have sound scriptural basis.

6. He is quoted as saying he would change some foundation he laid before he dies. He knows some of his doctrines are not scriptural.

7. He has made his members to have the holier than I attitude. They do not see anyone in deeper life as a genuine born again.

8. They hardly dance during praise and worship unless it has changed. This is not true Christianity.

In summary, he is zealous for the Lord but didn't have the right knowledge when he started. I believe he sees things differently now and I pray that he understands completely the revelation of the new Creation.

Obviously, you have not been listening to his teachings. If you have, you would not have come to some of your conclusions. (1) Pastor Kumuyi's holiness message does not focus on dress codes, it focuses on holiness from the inside which must of course show on the outside (2) The issue of television sets has been addressed in my previous comments in this particular thread (3) Deeper Life women are not shabby. If their appearance is 'shabbiness' to you, then I think you have a problem with perception. I married my beautiful wife in Deeper Life and every second Saturday of each month, weddings take place in this wonderful Church. That some of our women marry late has nothing to do with shabbiness. There are women I know in the world, in Orthodox and other Pentecostals who are quite advanced in age, yet not married. At the same time, delay is not denial. Sister Esther Kumuyi got married to pastor Kumuyi at the grand age of 65! (4) Women are to cover their hair while "praying or prophesying" (preaching), not every time and I have personally heard pastor Kumuyi teach on that one. If a man's wife's hair or any other part is smelling, the couple should do something about that. Coming out to disgrace the wife disqualifies anyone from being a Christian, let alone being a pastor of no other Church than Deeper Life Bible Church! (5) On the issue of jewelry, I think you should read Genesis 35:1-5; Exodus 33:1-6; Isaiah 4:16-26; 1st Timothy 2:9,10; 1st Peter 3:1-6. (6) On what pastor Kumuyi was quoted as saying, I heard it myself. He was referring to the Adminstration of the Church with emphasis on the Marriage Committee. He said that there was no Marriage Committee in the Bible but that it was set up to guide young people in how to marry biblically. Obviously, some Marriage Committee members were overstepping their limits. As such, pastor Kumuyi threatened to disband whatever is not exactly in the Bible but merely administrative which some people are abusing. (7) Pastor Kumuyi teaches holiness so much that some members assume (rightly or wrongly) there is no other place such is taught. I don't know how that is his fault. He even warns members severally that being a member of Deeper Life does not take anybody to heaven but genuine salvation, inward and outward holiness as well as up to date right living.( Please where is it written that a Christian must dance during praise and worship? Of course, there is nothing wrong in dancing. I do dance myself whether in church or at home sometimes. But pastor Kumuyi seriously frowns at suggestive dancing in the name of praise and worship in line with 1st Thessalonians 5:22. So your judgment that not dancing is not true Christianity is an error. So most of what you think or perceive about pastor Kumuyi is not true. God bless you.

bashydemy:
ANy killing during 2015 election in those states you mentioned?

And do you think the PDP was as desperate to win those states as the APC is to win Rivers State?

bashydemy:
But the Governor is River state is a PDP man now.


Also is Bayelsa, Ondo, Delta, Akwa Ibon, Abia, Enugu etc.....

Compare that to the states being controlled by APC and they are like Oliver Twist - wanting more and more. If the majority in the states vote for APC candidates, I have no problem with that. But it appears it is a do or die affair for them. Obviously, their target is to have a work over at the 2019 presidential elections.

akintom:
Correction....... I don't hate human beings, i detest and abhor inimical beliefs and ideas.

Why are you dodgy from calling me Satan?

You folks are certainly segregationists, full of spite and hate, for folks who don't subscribe to your own brand of gospel.

You're never like me, because if you were, you wouldn't have dived into this mess and filth called religion.

Is that so? Those who have the characters you mentioned are certainly not Christians even if they are members of Deepee Life Bible Church or any other living Church for that matter. In every 12, there is likely to be a Judas. So it is very wrong to generalize that all the twelve are Judases. Moreover, pastor Kumuyi and his able lieutenants as well true men of God of other denominations never taught or us to be hateful and spiteful as you painted just as Christ never taught Judas to be covetous and treacherous. But we have a duty under God to call false teachers and deceivers by their names so as to save the unwary multitudes from deception and perdition. Of course you are not Satan but it is obvious you share certain of his characteristics. I was once sinful, crafty, irreligious and blasphemous like some people until Christ saved me by grace. He will have mercy in you too I J N, Amen.

An2elect2:
How insincere can you be?

You know not the mysteries of our God because you have not the Spirit of truth in you! And when you are shown, you blaspheme against it.

May God have mercy on you.

Seeing that you prefer to glory in men than in Christ. I leave you for God to judge

I am not glorying in men than in Christ. Not at all. I was saved by grace from Christ and I'm being preserved by grace. Ditto for every other true believer. All I am emphasizing is that there is no eternal security neither is there predestination. Whoever repents and believes on Christ will be saved and whosoever takes heed to Christ's commands and warnings and endures till the end will be saved ultimately (Matthew 24:13, 42-51). Thank you.

[quote author=An2elect2 post=51851459] How insincere can you be?

You know not the mysteries of our God because you have not the Spirit of truth in you! And when you are shown, you blaspheme against it.

May God have mercy on you.

Seeing that you prefer to glory in men than in Christ. I leave you for God to judge [/quote, Please, I don't need your kind of spirit. Yes, there are mysteries but there is no eternal security for sinning 'Christians' neither is there predestination because that is against the very nature of a righteous God and Judge Who created us not as robots but as free moral agents. He has told us His word and helps us to obey and do His will for those who are willing. You are actually the one misrepresenting Him and misleading people. I am 'blaspheming' against the god of eternal security and predestination because he is fake and those who propagate false doctrines are as fake as their god and master. May God's mercy lead you to repentance so that you will not send multitudes to eternal perdition as your erroneous 'gospel' is doing I J N, Amen.

akintom:
Sorry, you folks are full of hate and bitterness against fellow humans, who don't subscribe to your religious illusions.

You folks are so limited in thinking and understanding of life, as to begin to think and claim that a Jewish doG, who commanded all kinds of atrocious acts against humanity, is anything close to the definition of love.

You deeper life folks are particularly bigoted to the extreme. So holy than thou are you folks, that other religious groups are all heading to hell. According to your own understanding of the Bible.

I detest seriously, whatever comes from you folks, because it's irritatingly filthy.

I see you are actually an atteist as I earlier stated. You don't have any locus standi to discuss with me on issues concerning God. You are trying to use sentiments against Deeper Life to draw support from Christians and others who may not exactly like Deeper Life's modus operandi. You are crafty and subtil just like someone mentioned in Genesis 3:1 and 2nd Corrintians 11:3. Obviously, you hate pastor Kumuyi and his members with passion from your bile-filled comments. I was once like you. May God have mercy on you as He had on me in Jesus' name, Amen.

akintom:
Back in the days that i used to preach the gospel of the nazerene, i particularly find the exegesis of deeper life church, lead by bro kumuyi, very disgusting and repulsive.

Here you're saying a polygamist can't be accepted into the imaginary heaven, except he restitute. When redemption has effectively nullify restitution.

I guess you and bro kumuyi are the custodians of the key to the gate of heaven and hell.

Just the same way you folks said those ladies who wear ornaments and trousers will be thrown to hell.

Are you folks kind of excited about roasted human flesh?

Why do you folk think that it's only those religious folks that wear color riots dress, scruffy and lilly, will make the illusionary heaven?

Is this your imaginary heaven not said to be paved with gold?

I am not 'excited' about 'roasting' human flesh. Just that my Bible tells me about the reality of hell fire and that it is sinners and the disobedient that will go there. I love you and others like you and I don't want you to roast there FOR ALL ETERNITY! If I keep quite and pretend it doesn't exist or water down the message so that you will be comfortable and happy with me as some 'preachers' do, that means I actually hate you. Do you now understand that we are the ones who really love you?

akintom:
Back in the days that i used to preach the gospel of the nazerene, i particularly find the exegesis of deeper life church, lead by bro kumuyi, very disgusting and repulsive.

Here you're saying a polygamist can't be accepted into the imaginary heaven, except he restitute. When redemption has effectively nullify restitution.

I guess you and bro kumuyi are the custodians of the key to the gate of heaven and hell.

Just the same way you folks said those ladies who wear ornaments and trousers will be thrown to hell.

Are you folks kind of excited about roasted human flesh?

Why do you folk think that it's only those religious folks that wear color riots dress, scruffy and lilly, will make the illusionary heaven?

Is this your imaginary heaven not said to be paved with gold?

So you don't even believe in heaven but arrogate to yourself the position of preacher cum adviser to the polygamists and trouser-wearing 'Christians' Obviously, you want them to follow you where you are heading, don't you?

bashydemy:
Oga forget that long story, Did PDP rigged the 2015 election in River state or not?

I don't know. Assuming they did. The best way to have proven whether the party actually won the elections or not should be to allow for free and fair election. But I understand. Most of us are partisan. So the truth is relative to us. I fear for one party system which is not good enough for our country.

bashydemy:
Hahahahah How did PDP and wike get to that seat? sorry bro 2019 is far approaching.

I keep on hearing "how did PDP and Wike get to that seat? This is nothing but pure propaganda. Let me tell you. PDP is the predominant party in Rivers State. During the 2015 presidential and governorship elections, the PDP just wanted to disgrace former Governor Rotimi Amaechi by making sure his party the APC did not get one quarter of the votes which I think was actually what he wanted especially at the presidential. That does not mean the PDP couldn't have won fair and square without rigging. It is just like expectingly Jonathan to have won Katsina or Kano. BTW, I thought this is a 'change' government. So when you are at the receiving end, you wail about injustice. But when your party is there, you do worse. Politicians and their fanatical supporters!

ichuka:
Dude
Please try and study the meaning of
"I Am Your Lord and Your God"
Through the Spirit.
Rest my case
Peace.

"I am your Lord' means I own you. 'I am your God' means I am your Maker. As our Lord, we are submit to His lordship over our lives in everything. That does not indicate that He chooses who is to be saved and who is to be damned neither does it suggest 'once saved, forever saved' or unconditional eternal security. Never! Yes, we need to depend on God for sustaining grace. Afterall, we depended on Him for salvation. But if any saved soul wilfully decides to go back to his vomit after repeated warnings, God cannot force him to remain with Him. He did not do that for Judas Iscariot and others who were once born again but later backslid and went to hell fire. But there is a word of hope. It is not too late now for the prodigal son or daughter to return home since you are yet breathing. But the end can come when you least expect and then it will just be too late!

akintom:
One of the ills of religious beliefs is that, it shut the critical reasoning ability of religious folks down.

The verses i gave you earlier, talks about the criteria for appointing leaders in the new testament Church.

If there were no "born agains" who were polygamists in those churches, why will the standard rule be needed?

For umpteenth time, you, Mr kumuyi and all other ignorant pastors out there are heinously wrong on this issue.

My friend, you are so wrong on your so-called standard rule for leaders. The qualifications or eligibility for leadership stated in 1st Timothy 3:1-13 and Titus 1:5-9 are also evidences of being a born again Christian and eligibility for heaven for anyone. You just singled out being 'a husband of one wife'. What about the need to be blameless? Is that only applicable to Christian leaders? What about the need to be sober, vigilant, of good behaviour, not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre etc? Are these qualities only applicable to Christian leaders? The reason why it was spelt out as a yardstick for selecting pastors or leaders is because those are evidences that the would-be leader is actually born again so as to lead by example. Moreover, every born again Christian is a potential leader (not necessarily a preacher). In other words, no born again man should be a husband of more than one wife and no Christian woman should be a second, third or fourth wife. Those who are already into polygamy have to do restitution once they get born again because that is adultery. It may not be easy, but it is just necessary. Otherwise, heaven would be a mirage for such people. By the way, the way you put astericks ' ' on the word 'born again' shows that you don't believe in it. Apparently, you are not a Christian. You may even be an atteist. You cannot deceive anybody except those who are already deceived or who want to be. Therefore, pastor Kumuyi and others who preach and enforce restitution are doing the will of God.Thanks.

akintom:
One of the ills of religious beliefs is that, it shut the critical reasoning ability of religious folks down.

The verses i gave you earlier, talks about the criteria for appointing leaders in the new testament Church.

If there were no "born agains" who were polygamists in those churches, why will the standard rule be needed?

For umpteenth time, you, Mr kumuyi and all other ignorant pastors out there are heinously wrong on this issue.

My friend, you are so wrong on your so-called standard rule for leaders. The qualifications or eligibility for leadership stated in 2nd Timothy 3:1-13 and Titus 1:5-9 are also evidences of being a born again Christian and eligibility for heaven for anyone. You just singled out being 'a husband of one wife'. What about the need to be blameless? Is that only applicable to Christian leaders? What about the need to be sober, vigilant, of good behaviour, not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre etc? Are these qualities only applicable to Christian leaders? The reason why it was spelt out as a yardstick for selecting pastors or leaders is because those are evidences that the would-be leader is actually born again so as to lead by example. Moreover, every born again Christian is a potential leader (not necessarily a preacher). In other words, no born again man should be a husband of more than one wife and no Christian woman should be a second, third or fourth wife. Those are already into polygamy have to do restitution once they get born again. Otherwise, heaven would be a mirage for such people. By the way, the way you put astericks ' ' on the word 'born again' shows that you don't believe in it. Apparently, you are not a Christian. You may even be an atteist. You cannot deceive anybody except those who are already deceived or who want to be. Therefore, pastor Kumuyi and others who preach and enforce restitution are doing the will of God.Thanks.

rachealfst:
Cc:


MrPresident1, Oluwatyna, Heavenly102, Gratefulaheart, XtremelyCoded, SinKills, Kalatinum, gocare, Vladipo, Certitude, DeepSight, Anas09, chydii.


Happy Sunday Everyone


HOLY HOLY HOLY


1 Holy, holy, holy! Lord God Almighty!
Early in the morning our song shall rise to thee;
holy, holy, holy! merciful and mighty,
God in three persons, blessed Trinity!


2 Holy, holy, holy! All the saints adore thee,
casting down their golden crowns around the glassy sea;
cherubim and seraphim falling down before thee,
who wert and art and evermore shalt be.


3 Holy, holy, holy! Though the darkness hide thee,
though the eye made blind by sin thy glory may not see,
only thou art holy; there is none beside thee,
perfect in power, in love, and purity.


4 Holy, holy, holy! Lord God Almighty!
All thy works shall praise thy name, in earth and sky and sea;
holy, holy, holy! merciful and mighty,
God in three persons, blessed Trinity!




****
I AM SO GLAD THAT JESUS LOVES ME


I am so glad that our Father in heav'n
Tells of his love in the book he has giv'n:
Wonderful things in the Bible I see;
This is the dearest, that Jesus loves me.


I am so glad that Jesus loves me,
Jesus loves me, Jesus loves me,
I am so glad that Jesus loves me,
Jesus loves even me.


Though I forget him, and wander away,
Still he doth love me wherever I stray;
Back to his dear loving arms do I flee,
When I remember that Jesus loves me.



I am so glad that Jesus loves me,
Jesus loves me, Jesus loves me,
I am so glad that Jesus loves me,
Jesus loves even me.


O if there's only one song I can sing,
When in his beauty I see the great King,
This shall my song in eternity be,
"O what a wonder that Jesus loves me."

I am so glad that Jesus loves me,
Jesus loves me, Jesus loves me,
I am so glad that Jesus loves me,
Jesus loves even me.

I love those two more especially the second! God bless you for the inspiring and edifying songs I J N, Amen.

akintom:
I have corrected the heinous error of you, Mr kumuyi and all other ignorant pastors out there.

What else do you want to know now. You already said ok.

Why are you asking me for example, from the obvious?

So you don't actually have a single example of a New Testament born again Christian whether leader or laity who was polygamous? Yet you assume you are right and we wrong? So if redemption has taken care of marriage restitution as you claim why is there no single case of a New Testament Christian who married more than one wife? So who then is ignorant and who actually is the deceiver now? I am really sorry for anybody who will ever buy this your poison.

Jesus was born into a Jewish family. He started a new way of life. Those who followed this new way were called Christians after their Master after He had gone back to heaven.

akintom:
This is the ignorance of those bound, with the fetters of religious illusions and slavery.

All you need to do is study the "psychology of suggestive control" of the human mind.

The pastors primes your religious minds, to run on auto obedience to instructions. This works even in the cases of most horrific and bizarre cases.


You guys are already mentally conditioned to do so.



The concept of restitution, has been nullified in the new testament, by the concept of redemption by faith.

1 Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behavior, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

1 Timothy 3:12 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.

The above verses speaks of those who will be made leaders in the church.
It's new testament Church standard rule, to ordain a monogamist as a leader. This is to provide a model for the singles in the church.

The polygamists who are born again, are as acceptable to God as the monogamists. ONLY that they CAN'T be made leaders in the church.

The new testament and the redemptive work, preclude them from sending away their spouses, even if they are 1000, like King Solomon.

On this matter of restitution, you, Mr kumuyi and any other pastor are not only wrong, but you folks are doing wickedness against harmonious families.




This is the blackmail and threats of irrational fears of damnation, through which religious idiocy thrives.

Can you please cite one or two examples of New Testament saints who married more than one wife?

akintom:
This is the ignorance of those bound, with the fetters of religious illusions and slavery.

All you need to do is study the "psychology of suggestive control" of the human mind.

The pastors primes your religious minds, to run on auto obedience to instructions. This works even in the cases of most horrific and bizarre cases.


You guys are already mentally conditioned to do so.



The concept of restitution, has been nullified in the new testament, by the concept of redemption by faith.

1 Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behavior, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

1 Timothy 3:12 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.

The above verses speaks of those who will be made leaders in the church.
It's new testament Church standard rule, to ordain a monogamist as a leader. This is to provide a model for the singles in the church.

The polygamists who are born again, are as acceptable to God as the monogamists. ONLY that they CAN'T be made leaders in the church.

The new testament and the redemptive work, preclude them from sending away their spouses, even if they are 1000, like King Solomon.

On this matter of restitution, you, Mr kumuyi and any other pastor are not only wrong, but you folks are doing wickedness against harmonious families.




This is the blackmail and threats of irrational fears of damnation, through which religious idiocy thrives.

OK.

An2elect2:


You are hard-hearted and ignorantly resisting the holyspirit.

If only you know God's ways are not our ways. And His thoughts far above ours, you will ask God for His wisdom.

Dont be like the jews who read the scriptures in the synagogue every sabbath day but were blind still.

How can you deny a doctrine so clearly thought in scriptures?


Romans 8:29-30 tells us, “For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.

And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.”

Ephesians 1:5 and 11 declare, “He predestined us to be adopted as his sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will…In him we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will.”

How clearer can this be!

Predestined to be conformed to the likeness of his son! Open your bible and read it again

You are not alone though. Think about it everyone is naturally hostile to this doctrine. Some acknowledge it but despise God the more for it. Others like you, deny it completely.

[b] THE SCRIPTURES HAVE EXPRESSLY STATED THAT GOD CHOSE SOME MEN TO BE CONFORMED TO THE IMAGE OF HIS SON. BE CALLED, JUSTIFIED AND GLORIFIED IN HIM.

Romans 9:11
11 though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad in order that God’s purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of him who calls

Romans 11:5,6
5 So too at the present time there is a remnant, chosen by grace. 6 But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works; otherwise grace would no longer be grace.

Ephesians 1:11
In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will,

1 Thessalonians 1:4
For we know, brothers loved by God, that he has chosen you,

2 Timothy 2:10
10 Therefore I endure everything for the sake of the elect, that they also may obtain the salvation that is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

1 Peter 2:9
But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light. [/color][/b] ETC

I know you think its unfair that God will choose some and not others. But what's fair? If God should allow men choose Him no man will be saved
for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Romans 3:23

10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. Romans 3:10-12

All men deserve to perish in the lake of fire. No one is better than the other. But God in His infinite mercy chose to pardon some. Its not God's fault that the rest perish..for they were already perishing.

For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 6:23

You may want to ask "how about those men who seek God and are rejected because of predestination?"

About that also, the bible is very clear. WHICH IS, THAT GOD DOES NOT REJECT ANYONE WHO SEEKS OR BELIEVES ON CHRIST JESUS.

[b]For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life John3:16

because, ]if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. Rom 10:9,10

But from there you will seek the Lord your God and you will find him, if you search after him with all your heart and with all your soul. Deutronomy 4:29

In the mystery of God, predestination, being drawn by God and believing unto salvation all work hand-in-hand. THOSE WHO TRULY SEEK WITH ALL THEIR HEARTS AND MINDS ARE THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN DRAWN BY THE FATHER AND WERE PREDESTINED UNTO SALVATION COS THE NATURAL MAN DOES NOT SEEK GOD

No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day. John 6:44

For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. Romans 1:16

No wonder Romans 11:33 proclaims, “Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable his judgments, and his paths beyond tracing out!”

Cc Goodmuyis fabre4

So you are serving a partial, selective, discriminatory and unrighteous god? How are you sure you are not among those predestined to hell fire by your god. So please, repent and receive Jesus into your heart by faith and as such come over to my own loving, merciful, righteous, holy and just God. He will not discriminate against you once you are sincere. God bless you.

An2elect2:
If its in the bible, why not

Please there is nothing like predestination. The bible does not tell us that. It us people who do not understand the Scriptures or who want to twist the the word of God who teach so. What is predestination? That God has chosen some people for eternal life and others for hell fire! So even if those 'predestined' to hell fire repent, believe in Christ and do all they can to please God and live right, they will still end in hell fire!! On the other hand, no matter how vile, evil, wicked and rebellious those 'predestined' to life eternal are, they will still wangle their way to heaven by hook or by crook!!! What a fallacy! So the same God who commanded us not to be partial in secular matters will now be partial on eternal matters!! The truth is that God is omniscient. He knows the end from the beginning. He knows those who will be saved and those who will be damned eventually. But He is not responsible for deciding our eternal fate. We are free moral agents, not robots. So you can choose now to repent, trust Christ for your salvation, join a Bible-believing church where the emphasis is on how to please God in holiness and righteousness, be prayerful, live right by the grace of God and let me see how you will not make it to heaven. You and I will make it in Jesus' name, Amen. There is nothing like predestination. Thank you.

fabre4:
Stop contradicting the scriptures, nobody denies that it is by Gods grace we are saved the question is should you continue in sin that grace may abound Paul has answer for that. Nay

Thank you very much bro. God bless you.

akintom:
Can you give the specific Bible reference, that kumuyi based this order on?

Ok sir. I will provide you with some: Genesis 20:1-18; Malachi 2:15,17; Matthew 19:3-9; Romans 7:2,3; 1st Corinthians 7:39; Ephesians 5:3; Hebrews 13:4; Revelation 21:8. But a point of correction sir. Pastor Kumuyi and other true men of God do not give orders to members on the issue of doing the will of God. They tell us the truth from the Bible and admonish us to obey for our eternal good. Since we want to please God and.make heaven, we are duty bound to obey. Where it seems hard to do, we pray for the enabling grace and God gives us same so that we can obey Him. However, those who feel they cannot do a particular restitution are at liberty to remain in their sin (which of course is an indication that their professed repentance is not genuine). Thank you sir for your understanding.

ichuka:
Really don't want to join issues with you.but,I am compelled to do so now.
Let me take you back to the Beginninge,
Gen1:1 says in the beginning God Created the Heavens and the Earth.
It didn't say in the beginning God and Man created anything.
My brother the works of God is solely He's

In that same beginning after the creation of man, God have him commandments which have consequences if disobeyed. Unfortunately, Adam eventually disobeyed (on his own volution) and the consequences followed! God did not stop him and God is not to blame either. My friend, God created us not as robbots but as free moral agents. We are responsible for our eternal destiny. "I call heaven and earth to bear record this day agaisnt you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing, therefore choose life so that both you and your seed may live". "Choose you this day who you will serve....." - (Deutronomy 30:19; Joshua 24:15). We are responsible for our choices. Stop shifting your responsibility to God. He only gives instructions and recommendations. He will not live your life for you! Thank you.

akintom:
Mr Kumuyi's wrongs are many...

* he once ordered his followers to throwaway their TV sets, because according to him, TV sets are devil's boxes

He now uses the same devil's box to preach. Yet he's not apologized to those he misled.

* In the name of restitution, he ordered second wives who are his followers to leave their husbands house, even when their husband didn't ask them to leave.

Also he ordered his followers who have more than one wives, to send every others away, except the first wife.

This he did irrespective of the number of years, these couples have lived together harmoniously.

Many families that were dislocated by this wickedness, have not yet recovered from the pains and frustration.

Mr Kumuyi will have to plead for forgiveness, from these folks he misled.

The issue of TV sets have been dealt with in my previous comnents. Concerning marriage restitution, a man who is married to more than one wife is an adulterer. So once he is saved, he should send the other wife or wives away except the first and legitimate wife. Same thing is applicable to a woman who is a second, third or fourth wife. After she gets saved, she should quit that 'marriage'. This the standard of the Holy Scriptures (in the light of the New Covenant). That he or she is living happily in the aduterous relationship does not count as much as one's eternal destiny. Pastor Kumuyi and other true ministers of the gospel should rather be commended for sticking to the Bible and helping people escape eternal damnation. God bless you.

Ranchhoddas:
How can your efforts not be involved? Just say you want to sin freely and still make Heaven.

It beats my imagination!

CHARLOE:
if u are really that old then u shld know in d 80s, deeper life members never had tvs, d devils box they & their GO called it. i've families who till today dont have 1 in their house

The issue is not whether some Deeper Life members do not have TV sets or not. Of course, some still do not have up till now while some do have. The issue is that somebody claimed that it was once banned and later unbanned. I told the person to mention at what point it was banned and when it was later unbanned but he couldn't. My point is that pastor Kumuyi's stance against sin and the negative influences of the TV, internet and other devices in accordance with the Holy Scriptures is still the same. He has not changed and will not by the grace of God. Thank you.

An2elect2:
If my efforts were involved Christ died in vain.

You are so wrong! Let us look at it this way: Somebody fell into the ditch, cannot bring himself out and you help him out. You have done your own duty. The best you can do is to advise the person not to be careless again so as not to fall into the ditch a second time. If he listens to your advice, good but if not, he is most likely to fall into the gully again. It is not your fault. If we have no part to play, why all the warnings in the Scriptures?