Jesuobu:
Faceless or no faceless, the truth has to be told. Everywhere I go, I always stand by the truth. We should emulate Christ as Christians. Jesus wasn't extravagant. He was rich but for the sake of His followers, He made himself poor so that His followers will benefit His wealth 2 Corinthians 8:9.

Anything that goes contrary to the ways of Jesus Christ should be avoided. Read the news again unless it is not true, a single building worth "5 billion naira". It really came as a shock to me.

Jesus made Himself poor so that His followers will benefit from His wealth. So when the followers benefit from Jesus' wealth, it is 'extravagance' to use same wealth to built a house of worship for God. BTW, what is the motive for this 'truth' you are speaking. The house has already been built. Do you want it to be pulled down or that people should boycott it or that your fellow 'truth' speakers will hail you or assume there are 'members' of Deeper Life who are not happy with the church leadership? What exactly do you aim to achieve by your critical comments? Yes, this is a faceless forum. There are people who pretend to be members but whi are actually spies or agents of the enemies of the church. There are those who were formerly members but due to their misbehaviour were shown the way out. As such they are bitter and want to pull the church down which of course, they cannot achieve. How am I sure you are not one of the enemies of the church?

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Jesuobu:
I agree with the church and I'm not wasting my time with them. In fact it's the best church I have ever found myself in. The G.S Kumuyi is one of the best teachers of the gospel on this planet as far I'm concern but know one thing, no man is perfect and we are all prone to errors in our lives and erecting a church structure worth "5 billion naira" if is true, is an error on the part of the church and the G. S.

We should not just receive without giving back. So many people are in dieing need of money even to feed and some are even members of deeper life bible church. If the money is in abundance, help the poor members and not build multi billion naira structures that does no help in any way.

You claim you are really a member of this Deeper Life Bible Church which according to you is the best church in the world. You also implied to have immensely benefited from pastor Kumuyi's wonderful teachings in the ministry. In that case, if you discover what you think the church is not doing right, I think there are more appropriate avenues to channel your suggestions - certainly not in a faceless public forum such as this where we have atteists, unbelievers, haters of God and sworn haters of Deeper Life who may capitalize on the comments of a supposed 'member' to blaspheme. You may even be inadvertently discouraging some members and outsiders who are searching for a place of truth and salvation. "He who is not for me is against me and he who is not gattering with me is actually scattering". Wisdom is profitable to direct.

akintom:


The question you failed or refused to ask yourself is this - if god is sovereign (it's what he allows that happen)?

* why did god allow judas to betray Jesus, since such act will offend it?

*why did god allow the situation that warranted betrayal of Jesus?

*why did god allow judas to hang himself, and not do a forceful salvation for him like Paul?

It's obvious that, god idea is the most nonsensical variant of all human ideas.



Since your god knew ahead, those that will accept its nonsense, why didn't it prevent the birth of those that will reject its nonsense?

Because it's a monster, it needs them as roasted barbecue in hell, perhaps.



Its sovereignty has effectively been nullified by human free will (personal responsibility).

There's no way to understand nonsense, than to see it as nonsense, and just wonder at folks that romances idiocy.

I decided to answer your questions thinking you really wanted to understand. Now I know better. Bye.

Harmony10:


If they worship in open space where rain and sun is beating on their open head, you guys will run here curse their leaders for using them. If the opt for poor structures, you will still complain that they have poor thinking. Now they have express themselves by doing what please them you are still complaining of waste of money. Why can't you guys just leave people to live their lives in peace.

Don't mind them. Some people are professional fault-finders.

akintom:

Do you agree with this.....?


Predestination

Predestination in its broadest conception is the doctrine that because God is all-powerful, all-knowing , and completely sovereign, he "from all eternity did by the most wise and holy counsel of His own will, freely and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass," ( Westminster Confession).


"In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will" (Ephesians 1:11).

God is all-knowing and all-powerful. There is no doubt about that. He is also sovereign - it is what He allows that happens. Where you quoted in Ephesians 1:11 simply means that God had a fore-knowledge of the fact that those who are saved will be saved at such time and in such circumstance. So He prepares ahead of time before they are saved for what they are going to do for Him and humanity (Jeremiah 1:5). Permit me to explain it vaguely this way: In schools, prefects are usually appointed at the beginning of the academic session based on the qualities we see in them. We didn't put those qualities in them neither do we live their lives for them but we foresee that based on those sterling qualities, they will likely represent the school well. Ours is based on perception but God's foreknowledge is accurate. Please let us not use God's sovereignty to explain away human responsibility. They are two sides of the same coin. God allows us to exercise our freedom of choice to obey Him or not and the consequence is ours. May you and I always choose to obey God in Jesus' name, Amen. I hope you understand.

parisbookaddict:


I personally like the man but his members seem to be the most hypocritical and judgemental people i have ever come across.

I hope he is able to change that about his flock

In every twelve, there may be a Judas. The problem with prejudice is labelling and generalization. I heard a lot of 'ugly" information about them but that did not stop me from being a member - I was attracted by the integrity of pastor Kumuyi and his wonderful bible-based teachings. When I finally joined, I realised the members were not as painted (though a few do not really follow the teachings and example of this man of God).

Justmeal:
I love Pastor Kumuyi, he's one of my mentors. However, I ponder more on the sinless One. He was perfect to the point that he became the righteousness of God in us; My Master JESUS CHRIST.

You are quite right. We should look unto Jesus, the Author and Finisher of our Faith (Hebrews 12:2).

akintom:



Let's look at this subject of predestination and God dispassionately now.

Using judas as a case study:

*god knew and participated in all the events that involved judas's role (remember that god planned Jesus coming and all that will happen to Jesus).

*god knew that someone will be born, named judas's and will betray Jesus. Even before judas was born.

*and god planned that Jesus be betrayed

*god created judas to fulfill that plan

*god condemned judas for fulfilling his plans. When judas couldn't have done the contrary.

According to the claims of you folks, god has power to make and unmake an event happen.

How do you explain all these?

You are wrong on one of your premises: God did not create Judas to fulfil the purpose of betraying Jesus - Judas allowed himself to be used by Satan as a result of greed. Even at that, if Judas had repented, as Peter did, he would have been forgiven.

Haoqi24:



But I don't know them from roots, how do I know it's not being staged?

Nawa for you o. If you don't know them from Adam, then bring one or two sick people that you know from 'Eve'. Or what else do you want?

Haoqi24:



The Zobo you've been fed is not from earth sha, that's all. Which blind, mad,sick etc have you personally taken that came back whole

OK, don't bring any. Just come and see the ones others will bring being miraculously healed. Seeing is beleiving. Thanks.

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Deicide:

This is BullShít..

Wonderful! You said you doubt that miracles are taking place in the ministry. As such, I gave you the opportunity to prove for yourself by bringing sick and handicapped people to our forthcoming Retreat. The best you could do was to dismiss it as 'bullshit'. Apparently, you are afraid to be proved wrong. But I know there are people who will attend the Program with their sicknesses, infirmities, problems and challenges and who will share testimonies afterwards. Do not claim they forged it. Even if you say so, it doesn't stop them enjoying their miracles. It only keeps you in the self-inflicted blindness of unbelief. I pray you will be among the jubilant testifiers I J N, Amen.

akintom:


Judas was predestined by your god.

Pharaoh was predestined by your god.

Jacob and esau were predestined by your god

It's a pity that you speak of a god idea, you certainly don't understand.

Can you see what happens when we misrepresent God? Haters of God take advantage of that to blaspheme. (Romans 2:24).

akintom:


Judas was predestined by your god.

Pharaoh was predestined by your god.

Jacob and esau were predestined by your god

It's a pity that you speak of a god idea, you certainly don't understand.

I can see that you are an atteist. I don't know the god you ate referring to, maybe you are talking about the god of these proponents of predestination. Well, if you want to know. Pharaoh and Judas had made up their minds which God knew. Concerning Esau and Jacob, God had known their future before they were born just as He knows yours and mine. Thank you.

collinsfhk:



A shake my head at your delusion. Romans 4 comes to mind, please study it .... Kindly put on a liberal spirit. Thank you

If my stand that there is neither predestination nor his twin false brother of eternal security is delusion, I thank God that I am deluded not to hang my eternal destiny on falsehood. Thanks.

collinsfhk:




With due respect to your closing note, i submit thus - The question is "is it scriptural"? If it is, you have no right to call it false doctrine but seek to understand what it really implies. Ref: 1Cor. 12:3, Rom. 8:29-30, Jer. 1:4-5, Rom. 6, Jn. 10:26-29.

Thanks and stay blessed

The answer to your question is that predestination is not scriptural. The texts you quoted do not imply predestination. They are just proofs that God is all-knowing including knowing the end from the beginning. Predestination suggests that God is partial, deliberately shuts the door of salvation to those He 'hates', yet judges and punishes them for what they do not have control over. This is simply BLASPHEMY! As for John 10:28,29, it is true that nobody can pluck the redeemed out God's Hands but God Himself can "cast them forth as a branch so that they wither and are gathered to be burnt in the fire" if they do not continue abiding in the Vine. (John 15:5,6). So both predestination and unconditional eternal security are twisted and false doctrines that damn the soul. May God give you understanding so that you don't base your faith on sinking sand I J N, Amen.

Deicide:

Didn't You hear he Said "In the Ministry" ?.....why don't He come out and Go to hospitals and heal the Sick and then Hospital Empty? At least we would all hear the news but of course it's "in the ministry" where everything can be staged and using of Hormones against people..

In the days of Jesus in earth, the sick people came to Him believing He could heal them and they were not disappointed. Let's now be practical. Do you know anyone who is mad, lame, paralyzed, deaf, dumb, blind, suffering cancer, with hunchback, deformity or any 'incurable disease'? The Deeper Life National December Retreat 2016 is around the corner from 23rd to 26th December, 2016. Bring such people and God will heal them all to prove to you that miracles are real. God bless you as you do so.

Haoqi24:


Na your blind uncle regain him sight? Or your dumb brother? Or was it your crippled father that walked?

There is no need for the personal attack abd insults. Deeper Life National December Retreat 2016 is around the corner from the 23rd to 26th of December, 2016. Bring any sick, paralysed, deformed, deaf, dumb, blind or mad person. God will prove to you that miracles are real by healing them all. God bless you.

Haoqi24:


For real though, it's always "In the Ministry" never on the streets, hospitals

"There were many lepers in Israel during the time of Elisha but non of them was cleansed except Naaman, the Syrian" (Luke 4:27). Why? Because Naaman heard about Elisha, believed and went to him. Even when Christ was physically present on earth, it was those who desired healing that were healed. Those who need healing should come and they will be healed. Are you ib doubt? Ok. Deeper Life National December Retreat starts on the 23rd till 26th of December, 2016 titled "Power For Your Present Hour". If you know anybody who is blind, deaf, dumb, lame, sick, has 'incurable disease' or deformed in any way, bring him or her to the Retreat venue. God will prove to you that miracles are real and are happening in Deeper Life Bible Church. Thank you.

An2elect2:
Amen dear. You do believe in the biblical predestination too?

The Bible does not teach predestination. God has not chosen some people for eternal life and others for eternal damnation. He is a just, fair and impartial God. Yes, He knows the end from the beginning. That does not suggest predestination. NEVER! As a school teacher, though you may guess accurately those who will do well and those who may not (from their intelligence quotient and level of seriousness), as a Christian, you don't determine those who will pass and those who will fail otherwise you are a SINNER! It is the performance of the individual students that determine that. God is more righteous than any Christian teacher (or moralist). Stop misrepresenting Him. Please note: This thread is not for the teaching of predestination or any other falsehood. It is to appreciate God for His investment and wonderful works through His servant - pastor W F Kumuyi. Please create another thread for your falsehood. Thanks.

collinsfhk:




Jn. 7:38. Bible is our standard. Let's break free frm d confines of churchism. Job 32:8

Please, there is nothing like predestination. "For God so loves the world, that He sent His only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER believes in Him will not perish but have everlasting life" (John 3:16). "He(or she) that believes and is baptized shall be saved but he (or she) that believes not shall be damned (Mark 16:16). The ball is in each person's court. BTW This thread is not for the propagation of the false doctrine of predestination or any other falsehood. It is about the ministry of the man of God of our time, a rare gift to our generation - pastor W F Kumuyi. You can create another thread for that. Thank you.

flamingREED:


To make an amputated finger whole by faith
In today's world? Well. Thanks anyway.

If God can do that through pastor Kumuyi, He can equally do that through you, I and every other saint once we keep to His terms and exercise undeniable faith in Him (John 14:12). Thank you.

flamingREED:
Pastor Kumuyi,
The only man that has provoked a limb growing miracle.

Go and ask in Zambia.

To God be the glory for that wonderful testimony! But don't say he is the only man to have done that through the power of God. You have certainly not followed the ministries of other men of God through the ages and even in our contemporary time. There may be others. God bless you.

ElsonMorali:


I'm sorry but I don't share your sentiments.

As far as I am concerned, anybody can just wake up one day and start interpreting the bible anyway they feel is right. There's no proof, and I mean objective proof that his interpretation of sacred scriptures is the correct one.

You say he has anointing from God! Is that so? Were you there when he was being anointed by God? As a matter of fact, who was there when that event took place?

Also, you seem to vouch for his holiness. My question is, can you really really vouch for him? Can you stake your eternal salvation on his holiness? Can you pray with confidence that God should make you share the same eternal fate as him, wherever he goes in eternity, there you'll also go?

Can you read his mind? Do you know what he thinks in his heart of heart? Do you know what he does in the very privacy of his room?

Are you saying he has never made a mistake when he's preaching on the pulpit?

You have so many questions. You don't have to agree with me. We are all entitled to our opinions. As for pastor Kumuyi's interpretation of the sacred Scriptures, I believe he has the right interpretation because of his antecedents, his passion, his focus, his consistency over the years, his motive and his scandal-free life (by the grace of God). Let us put this side by side with the teachings and lifestyles of Christ and His immediate disciples. God never gave us the Scriptures to encourage sinfulness or licentiousness. As for whether he is anointed or not, we cannot see anointing but we can the evidences by way of the miracles that attend one's ministrations. A lot of miracles have been taking place as he goes from place to place preaching and teaching. People usually troop out to give testimonies: the blind seeing, the deaf and dumb hearing and speaking, the lame/paralysed walking, short leg growing out, the mad becoming sane etc. These and more are evidences of anointing, aren't they? On the issue of vouching for pastor Kumuyi's holiness, I can vouch for it implicitly. The only thing I cannot vouch for is that he never made mistakes while on the pulpit. The holiest of men can make mistakes because being holy does not make one perfect in knowledge. Only God is. But once a person realises his mistakes, holiness demands that he corrects same (without necessarily making it obvious). As to whether I can stake my eternal happiness on Kumuyi's holiness, doing so is synonymous with swearing, which is a sin in the New Testament (Matthew 5:33-37; James 5:12). If you have any proof of pastor Kumuyi not being as holy as we think, you can as well let us know. I don't have to sin to prove anybody's integrity. It is either pastor Kumuyi practices what he preaches so passionately or he is one of the worst hypocrites on earth! But the overwhelming evidence is that pastor Kumuyi is a man called of God to prepare us to see God and "without holiness, no eye shall see God" (Hebrews 12:14).

[quote author=ElsonMorali post=51980209][/quote] As far as Deeper Life Bible Church is concerned, there is a Women Ministry which is saddled mainly with taking care of issues peculiar to women just as we have Youth and Children Ministries. We do not have women lording it over men or parading themselves as bishops, pastors and deaconesses. I think those who give women prominent roles in their churches have their reasons. In my church, we have lots of capable and willing men who have been doing the teachings, the preachings and church administration. In the areas of leading choruses/praise worship, women are sometimes given such roles by men. Thank you.

[quote author=ElsonMorali post=51980209][/quote] As far as Deeper Life Bible Church is concerned, there is a Women Ministry which is saddled mainly with taking care of issues peculiar to women just as you have Youth and Children Ministry. We do not have women lording it over men or parading themselves as bishops, pastors and deaconesses. I think those who give women prominent roles in their churches have their reasons. In my church, we have lots of capable and willing men who have been doing the teachings, the preachings and church administration. In the areas of leading choruses/praise worship, women are sometimes given such roles by men. Thank you.

[quote author=ElsonMorali post=51980209][/quote]Well, for your information, I don't belong to the church where women are ordained pastors and deaconesses or where women are so prominent in ministry. That does not mean the churches who do so are in error. So, I don't want it to be like a dogma. However women have their roles of mainly taking care of other women in the church (Titus 2:3-5). That is the core role of Women Ministry as far as Deeper Life Bible Church is concerned. Thank you.

ElsonMorali:


@bolded, what would your interpretation of 1Corinthians 14:34 be?

"The women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says."

The Corrinthian church was a highly gifted one (1st Corrinthians 1:7). As such, there was a problem in that church which had to do with carnal competitions, contentions and rivalries (1:11; 3:3; 14:26,33). Even their women were not left behind in the 'show of spirituality' (what a man can do, a woman can do better), hence the instruction from Paul the Apostle in 14:34. The implication is that a woman must take authority from a man. Where there are no capable or willing men, a woman may be appointed by A MAN to lead, teach or minister as the case may be. Most women are good in songs and chorus leadings/praise worship. Of course, there is the Women Ministry which is headed by a woman who must be reporting to a man (the pastor or overseer as the case may be). Women like prophetess Deborah, Esther, Mary and Priscilla etc were used by God to minister to both men and women. Thank you.

[quote author=Charly68 post=51953189]Indeed corruption is fighting back this Govt. What is the essence of their confirmation anyway ? Can somebody tell me..will that stop the presidency from using him as the head of that unit ..Let them keep ranting & playing power game as the man keeps doing his job without fear or favor. [/quote ]I just hope he is doing his job without fear or favour as you claim.

ElsonMorali:


No. He is not a human being. Maybe you should start worshipping him.

Pastor Kumuyi is a human being just like you and I but divinely endowed with extraordinary grace for teaching the biblical truth. He has a burning passion to lead as many people as possible to heaven. He also has anointing from God to deal with challenges plaguing the people. I give glory to the God Who called this man and Who is using him to bless the world. May His name alone be glorified in Jesus' name, Amen.

fabre4:



Stop contradicting the scriptures, nobody denies that it is by Gods grace we are saved the question is should you continue in sin that grace may abound Paul has answer for that. Nay

Thank you very much brother. God bless you.