MZLady39:
CatfishBilly,
Why can't he have his own opinion? Maybe he's guarding the avenues to his soul. Maybe he realizes that although a Christian, he's still a healthy, man...& knows his limits. He's erring on the side of caution.
You, as a male, should be applauding him.
You've reduced the body to a "piece of meat", but it can be a very attractive "piece of meat" for many people.
I don't understand your frustration?

It beats my imagination my sister.

limamintruth:


Touching the sensitive organs you say? Sorry to say but that viewpoint of yours is NOT scriptural sir. Feel free to prove me wrong.
Whatever you do with the purest of intent is right in the sight of God.
If you see nothing wrong in a male doctor touching the sensitive parts of a male patient (in this era of rampant gayism), or a male paediatrician examining the sensitive parts of a female baby (in this era of prevailing paedophilia), I wonder why the objection about male gynaecologist for women ailments.

Remember, God sees the heart; hence, in so far as the gynaecologist does his work with the mindset of rendering quality treatment to his patients, there is absolutely nothing sinful about that.

You imply that I do not see anything wrong in gayism and paedophilia. Nothing can be farther from the truth. It appears some people are missing the point. My motive here is not to win the argument neither I am aiming to show off how scholarly I am about the subject matter.
My message is for male born again Christian doctors who are expected to keep away from every sinful practice including those that appear evil. I believe they and other like minded believers appreciate such. God bless you all as you keep yourselves in the love of God and unspotted till Christ comes I J N, Amen.

CatfishBilly:

Funny thing is your wife/you will still visit those unchristian folks for help where they'll definitely touch her sensitive organs, which will now count as adultery by your logic since she willingly submitted her self to be examined.
How about that for hypocrisy?
It's not unchristian, it is unsinkills.
Know the difference​

My wife has been to gynaecologists several times. On one occasion, she came back and told me all that happened some of which she was not comfortable with. Hence part of the reason for my bringing this up. Although this is a public forum, the message is for male born again Christians who I believe appreciate and will yet appreciate it. Thank you all for your contributions.

MZLady39:


We're not speaking about clergy. We're speaking about medical practitioners....two totally different fields. Clergymen shouldn't be in any position to be looking at nude females.
I get what you are saying...but you need to see where he's coming from.

Thank you very much for your understanding ma. But I believe this is not only applicable to clergymen but to anyone who is born again and seriously desires to be undefiled so as not to be disqualified for heaven as no one knows his/her last moment on earth. Thanks.

limamintruth:


With all due respect @op, this is a very silly question.
Why won't a godly Christian male become a gynaecologist Except he doesn't know his responsibility as a specialist in that field or knows not God.
Hope your next question won't be whether a true Christian can be a urologist sha?

BTW, what is UNHOLY about treating the sick (irrespective of gender or kind of sickness)?

There is nothing unholy about treating the sick of any gender but there is definitely something wrong with looking at the naked body of the opposite sex and touching their sensitive organs as part of one's job. It is defiling and unholy sir. Thanks.

CatfishBilly:

I repeat it again, you're not a doctor, so, you are only assuming, you are not speaking from a position of knowledge, you're speaking from a position of ignorance.
Every doctor that comes across a gynecology/obsteric case MUST EXAMINE his patient. And that is basically "fumbling with their sensitive organs" like you so eloquently said.
So, by your logic, a born again Christian can't become a practising medical doctor.

Ok. I prefer being 'ignorant' about medical profession but knowledgeable about the requirements for heaven. So I repeat, if 'managing gynaecology cases' involves compulsorily perusing the nudity of the opposite sex and fumbling with their sensitive organs, then it is unchristian. Thanks.

CatfishBilly:

There it is. According to our brother SinKills, a born again Christian shouldn't be a doctor.
Akintom, come and add this one to your collection.

A born again Christian can be a medical doctor and there are so many of them. But I maintain that compulsorily perusing the nudity of the opposite sex and fumbling with their sensitive organs as part of one's job is unchristian. You are suggesting that a born again doctor cannot do without involving in such but I totally disagree.

Pavore9:
Salvation na personal journey, where likes.on social media do not count!

You are 100% correct sir.

CatfishBilly:

You still haven't answered the question.
Is it okay for a male born again Christian to be a doctor since they will all manage gynecology cases even if they are gynecologists or not?

If 'magaging gynaecology cases' involves compulsorily seeing the nudity of the opposite sex and touching their sensitive organs, the answert to your question is a capital letter NO sir.

yemimajid:
If it pleases god that a christian be killed, so be it. Those pple deserve to die because medieval individuals have died.. Sudden death brings sudden glory ..... you're just kidding right? please this makes me sad, I need to be sure you're kidding, please.

I quite understand your concerns sir. But we shall all die one way or the other. The only point of sadness is if any of those being killed do not have a right standing with God as at the time of death. But let us take care of our own souls now we are alive. Christ is knocking at the door of our hearts. Let us welcome Him. Who knows when and how you and I will die?

CatfishBilly:

Brother, shey you've read my posts, you saw where I wrote that I'm not even a gynaecologist, but I see A LOT of obsterics and gynecology cases. You don't want to know the number of them I've seen today alone.
Every doctor both gynecologist and non gynecologist will see a lot of obsterics/gynecology cases. We examine them.
What you're saying in essence is that a male born again can't be a doctor cos we will all see gynecology cases because apparently, examining a woman who is sick can lead to temptation.
Like I said, it's not different from Islam which mandates their women to cover everywhere even their fingers and toes cos a male seeing them might tempt him.
Ridiculous.

I think the idea of women in a particular religion being mandated to cover every parts of their bodies so that men will not be tempted is morally ok. I think their righteousness is better than the righteousness of those who call the name of Christ but allow seductive and suggestive dressing.The point however is - does covering up on its own save anybody from sin and its consequences? The answer is obvious. The case is different from that of a Christian. He/she is one who was a sinner but got saved from sin and converted from a sinner to a saint, not based on his personal righteousness, good moral standing, adherence to a code of laws, religious accomplishments or good works but by faith in Christ having repented of past sins. Subsequently, his/her thoughts, ambitions, interests, conduct, behaviour, attitude, association, dressing and where he/she delights to go will automatically change. He/she may even need to change job or old ways of going after the job if it against the divine demand for godliness and holiness in all he/she does henceforth. He/she must be careful and must abstain from all appearances of evil in line with the word and will of God. This starts from what Christ has done within and of course shows on the outside. This is what it means to be a Christian sir. Thanks.

niyihawking:

Christians and hypocrisy.

what makes a person spiritually unclean?

I don't really know where hypocrisy comes in here. To your question, everyone of us was born unclean as a result of the inherited depraved, adamic nature of loving sin. As such and out of love, Christ died to redeem mankind from this uncleanness and its eternal consequences. One who refuses the call to repent and come to Christ for salvation remains unclean. Those who have been initially cleansed become unclean if they go back to the old sinful lifestyles through carelessness or compromise and stand in danger of eternal damnation. Hope I answered your question sir?

yemimajid:
why waste ur prayers man, when there are hundreds of ur fellow christian who need it more in Kaduna. Oh I'm sry i forgot you're a christian, other pple are getting killed and maimed but since it isn't affecting u directly in any way, praise the living Jesus..

It is unfortunate that some Christians are being killed and maimed. May God grant them courage in the face of sore persecution and victory over the adversaries I J N, Amen. However, if it pleases God that a Christian should be killed, so be it. John the Baptist, Stephen and other Apostles of Christ faced gruesome executions. What matters is not when or how a person dies. What really matters is the person's eternal fate. Sudden death brings sudden glory. Everybody will eventually die. However, the worst thing that can happen to you is to die a sinner. The consequence is eternal suffering in hell fire. May it not be your portion I J N, Amen.

Amhappy:


I am not a doc but an engineer by profession. The doc you spoke about would have waited for his colleagues so something was wrong. He may be guilty or may just be an amateur. Temptation is not sin,Christ was tempted but he did not sin instead he rebuked the devil Matt 4. Every profession come with temptations. The power of the Holy Spirit is there to strength us to resist temptation. Avoiding occasions of sin does not mean not living. Should Christians not be doctors,lecturers,bankers,politicians,business men,lawyers,judges,Engineers,nurses,scientists,actors,musicians, even pastors because we want to avoid occasions of sin? Even in your room,without seeing any naked male/female you can have sexu..al urge. This urge is inbuilt in man,it was our Creator who put it there. Having it is not a sin,where sin comes is dwelling on it(not resisting) and carrying out the fornication.
As we grow spiritually and in maturity we have more power to resist even the most beautiful body. That's another reason why God kept the beautiful institution of marriage so that we will not be consumed by passion.

You are not totally wrong ma. You are being idealistic. This is how it ought to be. But are you inferring that great men like Samson, Reuben, David, Solomon etc and those in our contemporary times who were brought low by the sin of sexual immorality were not spiritual or mature or did not have the Holy Spirit? Not so ma. They fell because they were presumptous and overconfident. The enemy is very crafty and cunning. We as Christians should be wiser and learn from the mistakes of others (1st Corrintians 10:11). Thanks.

enshy:

I can bet the devil is sorry, so sorry.
Indeed sin kills! You have the word and your delivery is perfect!!
Please continue till His return, your labour cant be in vain.

Amen. Same to you sir.

CatfishBilly:
Well, Thank God this thread will stay here and not get to the front page, so that the whole world won't see that Christianity has gotten to the point where a male can't even treat a female patient and vice versa, how is it different from Islam?
Smh

Sorry sir, I think you got it wrong. A Christian brother can treat or take care of a Christian sister and vice versa. There is no dogma about it. The question is - is being a practising gynaecologist not inimical to one's purity and heaven worthiness (Matthew 5:8; Hebrews 12:14). It is not a trivial matter for one who is genuinely born again and is serious about not being stained and hindered because that is Satan's goal. FYI, Christianity is not a religion. One is not a Christian because he/she born born by Christian parents, attends church, bears a Christian name, prays in the name of Christ or even preaches the gospel. Being a Christian is an experience. It is a personal contact with the Saviour which leads to total conversion from a condemned sinner to a justified saint. When one becomes a Christian, his/her main goal is heaven and anything that will constitute a stumbling block is totally jettisoned. One needs to be a genuine Christian to understand.

yemimajid:
glad you found out that its for the delusional ones too scared to think...

Sir, the message is for those who have the precious experience and testimony of salvation from sin and its horrible consequences, who have Christ as Saviour and Lord, whose names are writen in the Lamb's Book of Life, those who have the hope of heaven and who value and do not want to toy with what they have. You obviously do not belong. I pray you do before you die I J N, Amen.

MZLady39:


Sir (if I'm correct),
Very courageous to say from a male (let alone Christian). I totally understand what you're saying.

To God be the glory. I'm happy you are among those who understand and acknowledge it. Remain blessed ma.

yemimajid:
I'm sorry? more women should be recruited nd less men in a profession because of a particular religion. That couldn't be more discriminatory.. it's just not the kind you're familiar with...

The message is obviously not for you sir.

Amhappy:


I'm not a Sir but a Ma. Thank you.

OK ma. Correction taken.

yemimajid:
Sinners judging sinners for sinning differently, you despise tribal discrimination but here you are proudly campaigning for employment discrimination. Elimination of this kind of discrimination helps to improve general and economic well being of the society...its only scary that you would sacrifice that for any kind of religion..

You and every other person following this thread knows what I mean by asking for the training of more women gynos. You know my motive is not discriminatory but to ensure male Christians are not put at risk of being exposed to avoidable temptations. You chose to deliberately misunderstand my message cause you hate anything religion. That is your business though.

luvmijeje:


You are welcome Sir. You're worth breaking my promises over.

Don't mention sir. But which promises did you break please?

Wilgrea7:


contrary to what you may think, you guys are actually the one with the holier than thou attitude.... you talk as if there is a profession where one is not tempted with sin.. someone gave the instance of working in a bank... won't you be tempted to steal money? temptations will come.. someone's inability to resist it doesn't mean everyone will fall for it.. its people who are carnally minded that carry these things on their head a lot.. someone who has no urge for money won't think of stealing.. so also the case of a gynecologist.. except the doctor is a quack who never went to school or a serious perv, every normal doctor who has studied the human body won't be moved by seeing people naked.. cuz all they see is meat and bone.. nothing more... nothing less

I beg to disagree sir. Training or education does not remove the adamic nature. Only sanctification through Christ's atoning blood can avail after salvation. Even after sanctification, one needs to abstain from all appearances of evil (1st Thessalonians 5:22). Granted, every profession has its peculiar temptation but seeing the unclothedness and touching the sensitive organs of the opposite sex predisposed one to the sin of adultery (even when one did not commit the actual act (Matthew 5:27-30). That is the basic difference. Thank you.

yemimajid:
Only one question for you....if a woman you love was dying from a disease btwn her legs... and they were no gyno in the world because we are all christians...would you be okay with that?

There are females gynos sir. They need to be invited and if they are in short supply, more need to be trained. A Christian should not put himself in a difficult situation except there are no alternatives. Thanks.

Wilgrea7:
threads like this are the reasons they mock Christians.. that's how some said that a Christian shouldn't be a soldier etc etc... if not for gynecologists many people wouldn't have been alive today... from my observation of most fundamentalists here on nl, contrary to their claim of being spiritually minded, many Christians are carnally minded.. they claim to be spiritually minded but they don't understand the meaning... many hinduists and Buddhists are more spiritually minded than many so-called Christians.... A big thumbs up to the few Christians of nowadays who are indeed spiritually minded.. i salute you

We are talking about avoiding lust and the consequences, you are more concerned with what unbelivers think. Is it unbelievers that will enjoy heaven for you or God forbid suffer eternally in hell on your behalf? Please, stop the sentiments. You are judging those who say it not safe for a genuinely born again Christian to engage in a profession that clearly has an appearance of evil as being hypocritical and those who say it doesn't matter as the genuine ones! How sincere you are indeed!

luvmijeje:


You've talk from experience. I'm going to share my experience with you all.

When I was 15, I went for breast examination. My doctor was a female. And she has a male doctor attach to her. I observed that anytime the female goes out, the other will start examining my breasts. He didn't jump on me. Then I felt something was wrong but I couldn't pinpoint it.

You are still missing the point. You're describing professionalism. You are still talking from the point of work ethics.

I'm talking from the point of spirituality. Just because I saw an unclad male doesn't mean I will have sex with him. It doesn't mean I will jump on him. But will I still think of it? That's where sins comes in. You're describing issues where I won't think about it because the body is going through treatment.

The question still is as a believer who know is God, will my heart not go into fornication if I see a body attractive enough?

That is the point. Thank you.

Wilgrea7:


if the sight of any naked man makes u start thinking of sex, then you have a problem.. i know a few doctors... to them, the human body is just meat.. they are trying to understand that meat.. doctors tend to be more loyal in marriages and fornicate less... its not because they are the ones who sing holy holy more... its because they don't think much of sex cuz to them, the human body is just meat

There is no need sounding holier than thou. We have a body that can be weak at any time. A Christian must watch the kind of profession he/she veers into if eternity means anything to him/her. Thanks.

felixomor:


There is nothing wrong in a Christian being an obstetrician or gynaecologist.
The intentions of the human heart is what God sees.

Also, this doesnt mean that someone else cant have a different opinion from mine.

I agree with you sir. But one can have a good intention yet ONE DAY fall into Satan's trap and even if he repents, live with scars the rest of his life. Prevention is far better than cure.

Amhappy:


Then Christians should not work in a bank because seeing plenty cash (dollars,pounds chaii) if you work in the safe can tempt one to steal.

They are not exactly the same sir. In the case of sexual sin, you do not need to commit the actual act to be guilty (Matthew 5:27-30). There are professions that are dangerous to the spiritual and eternal welfare of a Christian and I think being a practising gynaecologist is one of them.

CatfishBilly:
Well, the non doctors have come here and displayed their ignorance. Nigerians, ignorant, proud of it and not afraid to show it.
A believer can be a gynecologist because, by the letter of the law, a male gynecologist should have a female chaperone in the room while examining a patient. He can stimulate the clitoriszzzzzzzx to check the nervous system as far as the chaperone is there.
Besides, doctors see the human body as a specimen or a piece of meat to be rather blunt, they are looking for answers on that "piece of meat".
After handling so many breasts and vaginas, they get desensitized to it.
So, any doctor still trying to arouse a patient or gets sexually aroused in the presence of a chaperone is a sexual deviant.
So, your questions have been answered.
*Drops Mic*

Obviously, you do not know how deceitful the human heart is and how desperate Satan is to corrupt and pollute the mind of a Christian to prevent him going to heaven. (1st Peter 5:8; 1st Thessalonians 5:22,23). A male born again and sanctified Christian has so much at stake unlike the unregenerate. I believe my fellow Christians know what I am talking about.

luvmijeje:


Madame, nobody is calling any part unholy. Matt 15:18-20

18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come from the heart, and they defile a man. 19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies. 20 These are the things which defile a man, but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile a man.”

The question was directed to male believers. Can you still go back home with a pure and unthinking mind after examining that ripe and beautiful breasts. Can you still go back home knowing your heart has not been assaulted with those beautiful images.

You are telling us your feeling. You can never known the thought of a man.

Thank you very much sir. I think some people choose to be sentimental instead of being realistic.

luvmijeje:
I'm an heterosexual female and you don't expect me to see a beautiful naked male and not start thinking of sex. It's not possible so why am I putting myself in that position knowing it will separate me from God.

You are being realistic my dear sister.