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SirJohn: Here's a more detailed version, and below were some of the words he used, so tell me how that is different from what I said


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPB3a8FBeJY

"You know, I've looked for one verse in the Bible
-- I just can't seem to find it -- one verse that says, 'If you don't like'em, kill'em." I really wish I could find it! ... Sometimes I wish
God would give me a Holy Ghost machine gun. I'd blow your heads off,. "

Gombs: Sir John o!



it's a 40sec video, the way you put it is different from how he said it and what he meant...ironically, you skilled the first 3 sentences he made, for obvious reasons!

Gombs: Fixed

Gombs: Yup! He cursed ANYONE who speaks against the anointing in his ministry! He did not curse anyone who spoke against or insulted him.

Gombs: Be my guest sir!

Gombs: I didn't bother ma'am... in all those, Jesus was reported not firing back or threatening or such. How many times have you seen T. B. Joshua, Oyedepo, Oyakhilome, Hinn, Copeland, etc... how many times have they threatened their accusers or rained brimstones on them?

Furnish me with examples if you have any.

I'm anticipating someone asking 'so Jesus and Those you mentioned are now same' or 'so, they are your Jesus now?'

Goshen360: Stop mentioning my I.D please. Deal with your prophet and keep your house (CE) in order.

You people can do anything to justify any rubbish called prophecy. Is that what you called prophecies? You and me can do better. Stop showcasing to the world how educated you are. Can't you judge how accurate bible prophecies are? In case you want to play game, lemme open it up....as per the Op by Joe,

19. Thus saith the LORD GOD; there shall be a new disease in 2014 saith the LORD GOD

Where is this new disease going to start from? The Godprophet forgot to prophesy? What's going to be the name? Do you know how many new disease that was discovered in 2014? You must be a joker!!!

7. Thus saith the LORD GOD; there shall be scandal in several churches in 2014 saith the LORD GOD

Do you know how many churched being going through SCANDALS since the days of Apostles Paul....e.g, Corinthian church. Where are the churches that will experience scandal be located? Nigeria or where? Your Godprophet forgot? Think about it, churches had never been free from scandal and we will never be free from scandal.....until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ.(New American Standard Bible)

3. Thus saith the LORD GOD; there shall be school shooting in the United State of America which shall take lives in 2014 saith the LORD GOD

What the heck is this nonsense? You know how many years the ^ above being happening in USA? Back to back and month to month, you hear and year to year. I read all these and I laugh, Nigeria Godprophet called these stuff prophecies and some people are making noise about it. Mention the name of the State, school and grade the shooting will take place and I will believe you.

I can go on and on on the so called prophecies that they are nothing but educated guess. Where is the building collapse prophecy sef? Abi my eyes dey deem? If there was any, why can't the seer tell us where the building is located....as in what part of the world specifically. Do you know how many building that had collapsed around the world this year? These are things that happen in our daily world. You people should get a job joor and stop deceiving people!!!

Joagbaje: Many have criticized Olaye George (Godprophet) on this forum , but Some recent incidence got me thinking about the year 2014 prophecies of Olaye George . I remembered He talked about a new desease outbreak, He talked about scandals in churches And He talked about a building in Nigeria that will collapse and kill many . Etc. recent building collapse got my attention I was trying to locate the post he made this January.

Gombs: Sir, the challenge was to Joagbaje, and your only part was what your reaction would be, not what you would put up for the challenge. You ruined it all though, but I like your honesty, and appreciate your gesture for admitting the bounty was way off. Thank you, and I hope this thread goes a different direction from here.

WinsomeX: Faith healing. An example of practices in a healing school. T B Joshua and Chris Oyakhilome style:



www.nairaland.com/1915886/inside-tb-joshuas-broken-temple

Gombs: Welcome back, but on a serious note, SirJohn, your post and 'bounty' was uncalled for and totally callous. Are we supposed as Christians, to accept a contest just to prove God heals? Even them atheists can't make us do that for reasons obvious in the bible.
All required for a healing is believing that one can be healed by the power in the name of Jesus, through whoever is ministering, not because of cash incentives just to score points.
Kenyan went for that special bait by Sir John, by saying "I dare you" "we could share the 1/2 million naira...looolest" "pray for this kenya girl till she turns negetive". This for me is not one who wants to receive healing, majorly because of "so that we can set a clean rexord for CEC miracle"
SirJohn, Weldone

Gombs: Well then, I see this thread is finally heading somewhere, my request for an interview is hereby suspended. Kenyan, we await you.

SirJohn: @All,
MY TAKE ON THE KENYAN28 CHALLENGE

I am of the opinion that the Kenyan28 challenge will probably end inconclusive for the two reasons:

1. Joagbaje has already raised a red flag with the comment below, so if she doesn't get healed, he will obviously fall back on flimsy excuses like lack of faith or the presence of sin in her life.



2. I really think we should not put this woman through another emotional torture.

Notwithstanding my reservations, I will still accede to this challenge on the following conditions

1. that a preliminary test be done to confirm initial status. Test will be done at a generally agreed location and result be published here before the ministration.

2. Location of the ministration be made open

3.Conclusion of the challenge to be determined only by the result of a follow up test after the prayers

Gombs: I concur, Sir John's conditions made mockery of the whole thing

Joagbaje: I may take the challenge if I'm led to. If I get green light on it ,I will say.

Joagbaje: But john if my memory serve me well couple of years ago . You claim there is no longer healing or so through prayers.

Joagbaje: There are principles . I will pray for any true seeker of God . But if someone is mocking my faith and say I should pray . It's mockery . I don't need to prove God to any person . But I will minister to any true seeker . Because if a mocker comes and say "Pray let's see what you got" he won't recieve . A man must humble himself and seek God genuinely .

Joagbaje: If Kenya had said rather, I believer in healing through you .i believe in the anointing upon your life that God can heal me through you. Pls pray for me . I tell you , she will recover if she is prayed for.

Seun: @Sirjohn: Please create a dedicated thread for your healing challenge so I can feature it on the home page.

Joagbaje: Because at this point praying for her will never work except God will just do a spectacular miracle by healing just to demonstrate his love.

mbaemeka: An important factor to be considered in discordance also is length of cohabitation as married couples. In most of the hospital case studies, the longest time of living together is so far 2 years. It is unclear whether the longer the cohabitation period, the lesser rates of discordance will be.

It is unclear whether the longer the cohabitation period, the lesser rates of discordance the article says. Which means they may have had inconsistent results checking this out. Also, take note of the longest time of living together based on that research.

Now imagine 8 years of courting and now 3/4years of living together. The odds are emaciating. That is, if they were together since 2002 which I highly doubt.

I dey go sleep ja re. Good night.

mbaemeka: lol, I know about HIV discordant couples. Even Kenya28 mentioned it in one of her posts during the heat. Discordance is affected by frequency and some form of resistance that a few people possess (1/10000 or so).

We can subject it to the test and watch the "discordance' fall like a pack of cards (just like all the mutations to her stories) including the 8-year courtship lie.

Joagbaje: That was what I was pushing for in the beginning.I know is that Kenya got healed ? But she lost it. How she lost it is between her and God. She herself knew she was healed. Apart from the medical test. Symptoms were gone. Even when symptoms retuned . She still maintained that she knew she was healed . I offered her either to pray for her as a last option but firstly I tried to arrange for her to meet the pastor over there . The pastor that used to be there had been transferred to Nigeria, I had to get the number of the new pastor and called him from nigeria relating the matter. I told Kenya to go and meet him. But while I was making all these effort to save and help situation, big bros here were helping her destroy her faith. Initially she used to say . I knew I was healed but why did it come back but later her language changed to what bros here told her "I was never healed" at that point there's nothing I could do . Even if prayers was made she has no faith left

mbaemeka: As per the possibility of not getting the HIV from a positive partner only one reason stands out- LUCK! which could wane if you have done it consistently with that partner unprotected. If we put 2 and 2 . . . we would still arrive at a miracle especially since you said it was for 8 years.

mbaemeka: I don't know why you are talking like this Oga. There are 2 reasons one could get a false negative result and they're easily understood. The first is during the widow period and the second is if the test shows undetectable levels of the virus and this is usually for someone that was confirmed positive before now. The fact that the virus is undetectable doesn't mean the result was negative in fact if samples of the gut or even fluid are tested they will always test positive. But that is different from her case because from 2002-2009 she tested 13 times and all were positive. She said so herself and she said that she had gone through phases of having zero symptoms to which she never once tested negative. That's why she cried her eyes out at the VCT for 3 hrs. The evidences are here for all to see and read.

mbaemeka: I have read her story(s) so many times- all 3 of them and she never did say that she dated her husband for 8 years. From what I can understand, she tested positive in 2002 and again in 2005 after living in denial. Then she battled the symptoms with ARVs and herbs till 2010 when she sought other options including the HS. So it is possible she met her then fiancé in 2009 or 2010 for if it were any earlier he would have known and pulled out.

Then she began making enquiries on the HS in January of 2010 and eventually went in April. Even at that, a HIV positive status cannot read negative no matter how symptoms-free the person has been so if her and fiancé were doing things unprotected before the HS he would have tested positive. Besides, even she said she was free of symptoms for 2 years before going to the HS she still would have tested positive. Now factor it with the fact that she said she refused to get one in Kenya before travelling to SA because she didn't want him to see a positive status abi? So what ailment did she tell him she was going to the HS for or did she lie to him that she was going on vacation? If she didn't lie to him and he didn't know that she went there then we can only conclude that he didn't exist before she went to the HS and as such for him to test negative after "creating" a child with her must be a miracle- regardless of what you or she says.

mbaemeka: Nope her CD4 dropped 3 weeks ago- that part was clear. She said the ARVs weren't working so she decided to go back to her herbs and she has seen results to which we bless God for. If we want to prove that she will still test positive now (even after improving by taking herbs and living symptom-free) we can ask her to do so. So all that talk about placebos or faulty strips doesn't add up and you know it.

mbaemeka: Your guess is as good as mine

mbaemeka: She lived free of those symptoms that plagued her for a full year after she had cancelled her payments to her doctor. She got married, had a child yet her husband tested negative till date. Even when she said all these SirJohn and co repeatedly called her names including "CE worker, liar, fraud etc." Today that same liar is all of a sudden saying the truth that need not be questioned including how improved her writings have become within a very short span.

They can tell their stories to the marines.

mbaemeka: SirJohn's rebuttals make no sense. He is using the videos and pictures provided by the HS for all to see to explain his account. Anyone can see a picture of a woman in a wheelchair and say "this is not the wheelchair she came in". How would we know you are not lying? Can you give us your own pictures showing that she came in a different wheelchair or that she could walk before then?

mbaemeka: It is only people that want to believe him that will and that's because you are not yet sick to the point that your doctors have given up on you. At that point, you will remember us.

mbaemeka: Ha ha ha ha. The Horror of living symptom-free for over a year? The Horror of not taking any drugs or herbs for over a year? You guys are funny. She testified repeatedly that she's not a CE member. She only went to the HS, got healed and went back to her life. What Horror again are you talking about? Was she not living in horror for 8 years before going to the HS? Has she not lived in horror well after denouncing her healing after leaving the HS? Did you not see her write that her CD4 dropped to below 380, is that CEs fault too?

AlfaSelltzer: @SirJohn, I'm waiting for your response. If Kenya get healed by Joagbaje, and she is healed, and testifies after several tests. What would be your reaction? Go on and wait for her to change the testimonies? Apologise to Joagbaje and CEC and MOGs you called names? Be mute? Or glorify God?
Or others?

AlfaSelltzer: Note, hope you know I'm not Religious? But I can't get how of all folks round the world who visited and visits the healing school, with their pictures and videos documented as 'evidence' and their medical reports published, how come no countries or territory claimed the healing school was a scam as their citizens died of a disease that Pastor Chris claimed to have healed. No single hospital whose names are on these medical reports ever came out to refute these claims, nor the fact that such people were never their patients? This however does not negate the fact that you and kenya might have experience something that looks like scam, but does that proves the healing school is a scam? Have you ever thought whether in your situation or case you were a victim of bureaucratic bottle necks there and Chris might not have been aware?

In all, I think Chris would not have kept scamming folks from 2008 till 2014 with pictures, videos, med reports, etc, except you are as well claiming he paid all those guys and their neighbours, hospitals who gave well signed and stamped medical reports (for if the healing school were fronting fake reports, don't you think one of these numerous hospitals would have raised alarm of falsified reports and signature and doctor's name?), and that a lot of folks from asia, europe, N and S America are stupid enough not to think in the way you are?

Joagbaje: She didn't expose anything . She only expose herself. It was obvious she was healed. When she came to testify here. You guys taught it was me having double user ID. I called her to verify . And she cleared my heart. I came back here to testify she is real , she even had Kenya accent , you guys still laughed . Her doctor testified , you guys still laughed. She was in perfect health for over one year after testing negative She was very insultive to you guys Until I called her and cautioned her . You can't be insulting people in the name of God. It's between her and God why she lost the healing. Probably her character. But there was still hope . I told her what to do. Until you guys talked her out of faith. John you should know that God will hold you responsible for everyone who's faith you destroy in the healing power of Jesus you once believed.

Joagbaje: Pls eat your drug alone. We believe in divine immunity .

Joagbaje: We've been here before . I gave you a contact of a lady who got healed of blindness. And you said she wasn't blind just because hospital didn't give her diagnosis.

Joagbaje: In addition . I have a case of ebola healed in Arusha town ,Tanzania. . If I lie about theses things the curse of God will be on me. God doesn't need a lie. If you don't believe in miracles today. You will believe when you need one someday